On 2/13/2023 8:33 AM, Neil wrote:
> On 2/11/2023 10:43 PM, sms wrote:
>> In any case, it's clear that some people (one person?) didn't
>> understand how hosts files work but now hopefully he has learned.
>
> I don't think he understands either platform because he just said Google
> doesn't 'want' ad blocking, which is completely immaterial for Android.

That is correct.

There are numerous Android app stores, Google Play is just one of them,
and the app store owner can allow or disallow whatever they want. Or an
Android developer can directly distribute their app if they don't want
to share the revenue with an app store or if the app store won't allow
their app for whatever reason. In China, where Android has an
overwhelming market share advantage, the Google Play store is banned.

On 2/13/2023 11:35 AM, sms wrote:
>> I don't think he understands either platform because he just said Google
>> doesn't 'want' ad blocking, which is completely immaterial for Android.
>
> That is correct.
>
> There are numerous Android app stores, Google Play is just one of them,
> and the app store owner can allow or disallow whatever they want. Or an
> Android developer can directly distribute their app if they don't want
> to share the revenue with an app store or if the app store won't allow
> their app for whatever reason.

You are correct, which was why I told him that it doesn't matter what
Google 'wants' when any user can download an app direct from the developer.

It only matters for iOS what Apple 'wants' because the user can't do that.

That's the biggest difference of all between the two smartphone platforms.

> In China, where Android has an
> overwhelming market share advantage, the Google Play store is banned.

You know more about China than I do because I didn't know that the Google
Play Store app was banned. I don't understand what that would accomplish.

Did China ban it?
Or did Google?

Either way, since any user can download any app (just like with Windows),
I don't see how banning the "Microsoft Store" would make any difference.

Does it?

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best regards,

Neil

On 2/13/2023 4:44 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> The developers for Android can and do make whatever app action they want.
>> And the normal Android user can just download that app & easily install it.
>>
>> That you still don't comprehend shows you don't understand either platform.
>> It's the biggest difference between them & you still don't understand it.
>
> Context, please.

The context is that it is meaningless to say what Google 'wants.'
> nospam and I were talking of Chrome, a particular app.

What he said was that Google doesn't "want" ad blocking which is
meaningless because it doesn't matter what Google wants the user to do.

Users block whatever /they/ want to block in Chrome or any other browser.

> We were not talking on Android.

He said Google doesn't 'want' people to block ads in Chrome but it doesn't
matter what Google 'wants' because what matters is what the /user/ wants.

If a user wants to block ads in Chrome, Google can't stop them from that.

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best regards,

Neil

In article <tse405$27pam$1@dont-email.me>, Neil
<neil@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:

>
> What he said was that Google doesn't "want" ad blocking which is
> meaningless because it doesn't matter what Google wants the user to do.

it does for chrome, which is google's browser, where *google* (not the
user) decides what features to include and exclude.

> Users block whatever /they/ want to block in Chrome or any other browser.

nobody said otherwise.

the part you do not understand is that google has a vested interest to
not optimize for ad blockers, which the evidence shows.

On 2023-02-13 21:04, nospam wrote:
> In article <tse405$27pam$1@dont-email.me>, Neil
> <neil@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> What he said was that Google doesn't "want" ad blocking which is
>> meaningless because it doesn't matter what Google wants the user to do.
>
> it does for chrome, which is google's browser, where *google* (not the
> user) decides what features to include and exclude.
>
>> Users block whatever /they/ want to block in Chrome or any other browser.
>
> nobody said otherwise.
>
> the part you do not understand is that google has a vested interest to
> not optimize for ad blockers, which the evidence shows.

Yes, that's what we were talking about. The context.

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Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

nospam wrote:

>> 1. Tell us how to completely remove the advertising ID on iOS
>
> <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252254878>
> ...Go to Settings/Privacy and scroll to the bottom. If you turn off
> Personalized Ads your phone will never send an advertising identifier.
>
>> 2. Tell us the app to download that watches YouTube without ads
>
> safari. no need to even download it.
>
> alternately, other browsers can be used.
>
>> 3. Tell us the app to download that loads any ad-blocking host file,
>
> a hosts file is an obsolete and not particularly effective method to
> block ads (which explains why you're fixated on it).

You have no honor, nospam. No shame. No guilt. No pride.
No knowledge. No credibility.

Given who you are, nospam, all you _can_ do, is lie.

It's no longer shocking how little you know about iOS or Android, nospam.
You always resort to fabrication of completely imaginary iOS functionality.

Moving forward, if you want a free standalone YouTube client (not a
dysfunctional WebKit web browswer) on Android, install the FOSS Newpipe.
<http://newpipe.net>

If you want a free standalone system-wide no-root firewall to block wi-fi
and cellular connections per app, install the FOSS NetGuard firewall.
<http://netguard.me>

And if you want to use the time-honored venerable hosts file that _every_
common consumer platform uses, then for Android, get NetGuard from Github.
<https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard/blob/master/ADBLOCKING.md>

Notice that I back up my claims, while deceitful liars like nospam can't.

Despicable people like nospam would stab their own mother in the back,
if they thought that it would help further their fabricated lies.
--
Why should iKooks look anything up when it's easier for them to just lie.

On 2/14/2023 5:34 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> What he said was that Google doesn't "want" ad blocking which is
>>> meaningless because it doesn't matter what Google wants the user to do.
>>
>> it does for chrome, which is google's browser, where *google* (not the
>> user) decides what features to include and exclude.
>>
>>> Users block whatever /they/ want to block in Chrome or any other browser.
>>
>> nobody said otherwise.
>>
>> the part you do not understand is that google has a vested interest to
>> not optimize for ad blockers, which the evidence shows.
>
> Yes, that's what we were talking about. The context.

It doesn't appear that either of you are aware of where Chrome comes from.

Chrome is built on Chromium which is open source code which a variety of
variants exist as a result all of which have what the /users/ want in them.

It doesn't matter what Google wants.
It matters only what the /user/ wants.

What you don't understand is none of this is available on the iOS platform.
Which is a glaringly major difference between the two smartphone platforms.

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best regards,

Neil

On 2023-02-13 16:52, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>>> 1. Tell us how to completely remove the advertising ID on iOS
>>
>> <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252254878>
>>    ...Go to Settings/Privacy and scroll to the bottom. If you turn off
>>   Personalized Ads your phone will never send an advertising identifier.
>>
>>> 2. Tell us the app to download that watches YouTube without ads
>>
>> safari. no need to even download it.
>> alternately, other browsers can be used.
>>> 3. Tell us the app to download that loads any ad-blocking host file,
>>
>> a hosts file is an obsolete and not particularly effective method to
>> block ads (which explains why you're fixated on it).
>
> You have no honor, nospam. No shame. No guilt. No pride.
> No knowledge. No credibility.

Says the "man" who posts under literally doesn't of posting nyms to
evade killfiles.

Am 14.02.23 um 02:13 schrieb Neil:
> On 2/14/2023 5:34 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> What he said was that Google doesn't "want" ad blocking which is
>>>> meaningless because it doesn't matter what Google wants the user to do.
>>>
>>> it does for chrome, which is google's browser, where *google* (not the
>>> user) decides what features to include and exclude.
>>>
>>>> Users block whatever /they/ want to block in Chrome or any other browser.
>>>
>>> nobody said otherwise.
>>>
>>> the part you do not understand is that google has a vested interest to
>>> not optimize for ad blockers, which the evidence shows.
>>
>> Yes, that's what we were talking about. The context.
>
> It doesn't appear that either of you are aware of where Chrome comes from.
>
> Chrome is built on Chromium which is open source code which a variety of
> variants exist as a result all of which have what the /users/ want in them.

Theoretically. 2/3 of the developpers are Google employees. And Google
dominates therefore everything. Chromium = Chrome = Google.

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Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

On Tuesday, 14 February 2023 at 12:14:13 UTC+5:30, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 14.02.23 um 02:13 schrieb Neil:
> > On 2/14/2023 5:34 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> >>>> What he said was that Google doesn't "want" ad blocking which is
> >>>> meaningless because it doesn't matter what Google wants the user to do.
> >>>
> >>> it does for chrome, which is google's browser, where *google* (not the
> >>> user) decides what features to include and exclude.
> >>>
> >>>> Users block whatever /they/ want to block in Chrome or any other browser.
> >>>
> >>> nobody said otherwise.
> >>>
> >>> the part you do not understand is that google has a vested interest to
> >>> not optimize for ad blockers, which the evidence shows.
> >>
> >> Yes, that's what we were talking about. The context.
> >
> > It doesn't appear that either of you are aware of where Chrome comes from.
> >
> > Chrome is built on Chromium which is open source code which a variety of
> > variants exist as a result all of which have what the /users/ want in them.
> Theoretically. 2/3 of the developpers are Google employees. And Google
> dominates therefore everything. Chromium = Chrome = Google.
> --
> Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

Here I found the complete different between Android and iOS:

https://androidstrike.com/android-vs-ios-comparing-mobile-operating-systems/