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* P112 C/PM 2.2 Hard DiskBill Gunshannon
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| `* Re: P112 C/PM 2.2 Hard DiskBill Gunshannon
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|   `* Re: P112 C/PM 2.2 Hard DiskBill Gunshannon
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 by: Bill Gunshannon - Tue, 22 Nov 2022 17:41 UTC

Not sure if there are many (any?) P112 users still floating around
but, just in case...

Does anyone have instructions on how to make a C/PM 2.2 installation on
a hard disk on the P112 with the GIDE? Might look at CPM 3.0 as well,
but I would really like a C/PM 2.2 hard disk system to work with.

bill

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 by: a b - Tue, 22 Nov 2022 19:43 UTC

have you looked here yet?

https://661.org/p112/

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 by: Bill Gunshannon - Tue, 22 Nov 2022 20:41 UTC

On 11/22/22 14:43, a b wrote:
> have you looked here yet?
>
> https://661.org/p112/

Yes. And Sourceforge. Saw nothing about putting C/PM 2.2 on a hard
disk.

It's been years since I last played with my P112. I seem to recall
there being a lot more information then than there is now. :-(

bill

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 by: Dennis Boone - Tue, 22 Nov 2022 22:20 UTC

> Does anyone have instructions on how to make a C/PM 2.2 installation on
> a hard disk on the P112 with the GIDE? Might look at CPM 3.0 as well,
> but I would really like a C/PM 2.2 hard disk system to work with.

Seems like Terry used to have stuff on his site which I can no longer
find. Maybe it was just paper shipped with the GIDE. $deity knows
where my such paper might have gone, if so.

De

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On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 2:20:49 PM UTC-8, Dennis Boone wrote:
> Seems like Terry used to have stuff on his site which I can no longer
> find.

Terry has a site at http://stack180.com. You can find his latest P112 work there. It is a BPBIOS implementation for P112, so perhaps not the OS you want, but it works quite well. He has BIOS, floppy, and hard disk (GIDE) images.

-Wayne

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 by: Bill Gunshannon - Thu, 1 Dec 2022 23:26 UTC

On 11/22/22 20:35, Wayne Warthen wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 2:20:49 PM UTC-8, Dennis Boone wrote:
>> Seems like Terry used to have stuff on his site which I can no longer
>> find.
>
> Terry has a site at http://stack180.com. You can find his latest P112 work there. It is a BPBIOS implementation for P112, so perhaps not the OS you want, but it works quite well. He has BIOS, floppy, and hard disk (GIDE) images.
>

I had been there but hadn't found anything. I'll try again.

In the meantime Having had no luck with 2.2 and a hard disk
I tried 3.0. No luck there either. Every time I do anything
with the hard disk (ERADIR, DISKINFO) It hangs the machine
and kills the USB serial port I amusing with Putty for a
console. I have to unplug the USB Serial Dongle and plug it
back in to get the terminal working again. I can't even
imagine what is being sent over the connection to do that.

Really would like to get this to work so I can do some PL/M
stuff.

bill

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 by: Wayne Warthen - Fri, 2 Dec 2022 02:24 UTC

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 3:26:22 PM UTC-8, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> On 11/22/22 20:35, Wayne Warthen wrote:
> > Terry has a site at http://stack180.com. You can find his latest P112 work there. It is a BPBIOS implementation for P112, so perhaps not the OS you want, but it works quite well. He has BIOS, floppy, and hard disk (GIDE) images.
> >
> I had been there but hadn't found anything. I'll try again.

Hmmm... From the left nav, look under "P112 Local Links" and choose "Downloads". You should then get to a page with a table of downloads for the ROM, Floppy, and GIDE Hard Disk images.

Thanks,

Wayne

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 by: Bill Gunshannon - Fri, 2 Dec 2022 14:09 UTC

On 12/1/22 21:24, Wayne Warthen wrote:
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 3:26:22 PM UTC-8, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> On 11/22/22 20:35, Wayne Warthen wrote:
>>> Terry has a site at http://stack180.com. You can find his latest P112 work there. It is a BPBIOS implementation for P112, so perhaps not the OS you want, but it works quite well. He has BIOS, floppy, and hard disk (GIDE) images.
>>>
>> I had been there but hadn't found anything. I'll try again.
>
> Hmmm... From the left nav, look under "P112 Local Links" and choose "Downloads". You should then get to a page with a table of downloads for the ROM, Floppy, and GIDE Hard Disk images.
>

OK... I had grabbed them but that wasn't what I was expecting so
I guess I just got confused.

In order...

I guess I need to find out how to update the EEPROM as mine is still
at 5.7. That, in itself, may fix some stuff.

The Floppy I figured was just another copy of the Distribution Disk
but maybe not. I'll burn one and see what it does.

And the last one said CF Images and as I don't have a CF port on
my P112 I just passed it by. Now I will have to look at that as
well. I do have some CF/IDE cards floating around somewhere, maybe
that will do the trick.

Gives me something to do today as it is too cold to go outside
for much of anything.

Thank you.

bill

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 by: Craig Ruff - Fri, 2 Dec 2022 23:51 UTC

I recently made floppy disks for another person based on those images,
and verified that the CPM 2.2 floppy boots up fine. I did not try any
hard disk images. My P112 on runs the GIDE ZSDOS/ZCPR3 HDD disk image
normally.

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 by: Bill Gunshannon - Sat, 3 Dec 2022 01:19 UTC

On 12/2/22 18:51, Craig Ruff wrote:
> I recently made floppy disks for another person based on those images,
> and verified that the CPM 2.2 floppy boots up fine. I did not try any
> hard disk images. My P112 on runs the GIDE ZSDOS/ZCPR3 HDD disk image
> normally.

Went thru the stuff there. I made a new disk and decided to upgrade
my systems to 5.8 firmware. One worked find but the other one has the
dreaded AM28F256. I could not get the old version of EEPROM.COM to
update it so I have ordered a replacement Atmel 29C256 EEPROM and then
hope that my (also on its way) new programmer can handle them so I can
upgrade my second P112. Then I will look at the CF file but I really
have no idea what to do with it yet. I assume there is a program for
Windows to write it to a CF card (like RAWRITE does for floppies).
Small steps, but getting closer to having working machines.

Only partly CP/M related, but I am also in the process of getting both
of my TRS-80 Model-1s going and one of them has an LNDoubler in it so
it should be able to read and write 8" floppies as well.

bill

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 by: Wayne Warthen - Sun, 4 Dec 2022 04:01 UTC

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:19:03 PM UTC-8, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> Then I will look at the CF file but I really
> have no idea what to do with it yet. I assume there is a program for
> Windows to write it to a CF card (like RAWRITE does for floppies).
> Small steps, but getting closer to having working machines.

The CF Card image must be written to a CF Card starting at the first sector. On Windows, I use Win32 Disk Imager (https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager). Yes, this is essentially the same thing as RAWRITE is for floppies.

Assuming you have a GIDE, you can use one of the little CF-IDE adapters to add a CF Card socket (https://www.ebay.com/itm/111977195791).

-Wayne

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 by: Bill Gunshannon - Sun, 4 Dec 2022 23:38 UTC

On 12/3/22 23:01, Wayne Warthen wrote:
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:19:03 PM UTC-8, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> Then I will look at the CF file but I really
>> have no idea what to do with it yet. I assume there is a program for
>> Windows to write it to a CF card (like RAWRITE does for floppies).
>> Small steps, but getting closer to having working machines.
>
> The CF Card image must be written to a CF Card starting at the first sector. On Windows, I use Win32 Disk Imager (https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager). Yes, this is essentially the same thing as RAWRITE is for floppies.

I'll go look for it.

>
> Assuming you have a GIDE, you can use one of the little CF-IDE adapters to add a CF Card socket (https://www.ebay.com/itm/111977195791).

I've got some of them so maybe I can give it a try and
then see about moving some of it to real hard drives as
CF's do have a limited lifespan.

bill

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 by: Bill Gunshannon - Thu, 8 Dec 2022 15:43 UTC

On 12/3/22 23:01, Wayne Warthen wrote:
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:19:03 PM UTC-8, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> Then I will look at the CF file but I really
>> have no idea what to do with it yet. I assume there is a program for
>> Windows to write it to a CF card (like RAWRITE does for floppies).
>> Small steps, but getting closer to having working machines.
>

I think I am beginning to see, once again, why my P112's ended
up in a box on shelf.

> The CF Card image must be written to a CF Card starting at the first sector. On Windows, I use Win32 Disk Imager (https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager). Yes, this is essentially the same thing as RAWRITE is for floppies.

I have done this. Numerous times. Even tried using differnt
size CF cards. Always with the same result: "Unrecognizable
disk format".

bill

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 by: Wayne Warthen - Fri, 9 Dec 2022 23:19 UTC

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:43:54 AM UTC-8, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> > The CF Card image must be written to a CF Card starting at the first sector. On Windows, I use Win32 Disk Imager (https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager). Yes, this is essentially the same thing as RAWRITE is for floppies.
> I have done this. Numerous times. Even tried using differnt
> size CF cards. Always with the same result: "Unrecognizable
> disk format".

Surprising. Are you using the same ROM that is distributed on the stack180.com website?

-Wayne

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 by: Bill Gunshannon - Fri, 9 Dec 2022 23:43 UTC

On 12/9/22 18:19, Wayne Warthen wrote:
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:43:54 AM UTC-8, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>> The CF Card image must be written to a CF Card starting at the first sector. On Windows, I use Win32 Disk Imager (https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager). Yes, this is essentially the same thing as RAWRITE is for floppies.
>> I have done this. Numerous times. Even tried using differnt
>> size CF cards. Always with the same result: "Unrecognizable
>> disk format".
>
> Surprising. Are you using the same ROM that is distributed on the stack180.com website?

Yes. I have upgraded both my P112s to 5.8. But if I read it correctly
that actually got me nothing from 5.7. It seems to only address "higher
clock rates and faster CPUs".

I am more concerned that the image does not end in .img or .iso. It
seems to just be a file. DiskImager seems to want .img. After writing
it returns success from a verify.

While I have your attention. I have seen mention of SCSI for the P112.
Any idea where I could learn more about that? I have an abundance of
SCSI disks floating around my place.

bill

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 by: Wayne Warthen - Sat, 10 Dec 2022 01:33 UTC

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 3:43:23 PM UTC-8, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> On 12/9/22 18:19, Wayne Warthen wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:43:54 AM UTC-8, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> >>> The CF Card image must be written to a CF Card starting at the first sector. On Windows, I use Win32 Disk Imager (https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager). Yes, this is essentially the same thing as RAWRITE is for floppies.
> >> I have done this. Numerous times. Even tried using differnt
> >> size CF cards. Always with the same result: "Unrecognizable
> >> disk format".
> >
> > Surprising. Are you using the same ROM that is distributed on the stack180.com website?
> Yes. I have upgraded both my P112s to 5.8. But if I read it correctly
> that actually got me nothing from 5.7. It seems to only address "higher
> clock rates and faster CPUs".

OK, no idea. I am running a ROM and disk image that are just slightly modified from the posted one. Give me a day or two and I will try the exact stuff that is posted on my P112 and report back.

> I am more concerned that the image does not end in .img or .iso. It
> seems to just be a file. DiskImager seems to want .img. After writing
> it returns success from a verify.

Yes, the lack of an extension is a little odd, but I have confirmed that the start of the file looks correct. I assume you are extracting it from the .zip before writing it.

> While I have your attention. I have seen mention of SCSI for the P112.
> Any idea where I could learn more about that? I have an abundance of
> SCSI disks floating around my place.

Although I have seen some references to SCSI, I don't know anything about it. I came to the conclusion that the SCSI board was unobtanium at this point.

Thanks,

Wayne

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 by: Bill Gunshannon - Sat, 10 Dec 2022 02:45 UTC

On 12/9/22 20:33, Wayne Warthen wrote:
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 3:43:23 PM UTC-8, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> On 12/9/22 18:19, Wayne Warthen wrote:
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:43:54 AM UTC-8, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>>> The CF Card image must be written to a CF Card starting at the first sector. On Windows, I use Win32 Disk Imager (https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager). Yes, this is essentially the same thing as RAWRITE is for floppies.
>>>> I have done this. Numerous times. Even tried using differnt
>>>> size CF cards. Always with the same result: "Unrecognizable
>>>> disk format".
>>>
>>> Surprising. Are you using the same ROM that is distributed on the stack180.com website?
>> Yes. I have upgraded both my P112s to 5.8. But if I read it correctly
>> that actually got me nothing from 5.7. It seems to only address "higher
>> clock rates and faster CPUs".
>
> OK, no idea. I am running a ROM and disk image that are just slightly modified from the posted one. Give me a day or two and I will try the exact stuff that is posted on my P112 and report back.

It is curious as I assume other people are running this.

>
>> I am more concerned that the image does not end in .img or .iso. It
>> seems to just be a file. DiskImager seems to want .img. After writing
>> it returns success from a verify.
>
> Yes, the lack of an extension is a little odd, but I have confirmed that the start of the file looks correct. I assume you are extracting it from the .zip before writing it.

Even tried unzipping it on a Linux box and then moving it to Windows for
DiskImager. Size comes out the same on both so apparently there was no
unzio caused corruption.

>
>> While I have your attention. I have seen mention of SCSI for the P112.
>> Any idea where I could learn more about that? I have an abundance of
>> SCSI disks floating around my place.
>
> Although I have seen some references to SCSI, I don't know anything about it. I came to the conclusion that the SCSI board was unobtanium at this point.

I assumed that. I saw comments by people who seemed to be using one but
never saw anything about how you get (or build) one.

>
> Thanks,

Actually, thank you.

bill

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> I assumed that. I saw comments by people who seemed to be using one but
> never saw anything about how you get (or build) one.

I think this zip file contains the design:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/p112/software/scsi2.zip

It'd be a challenge to build, since the "schematic" is an overly
shrunken gif file.

De

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 by: Wayne Warthen - Sat, 10 Dec 2022 22:21 UTC

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:45:57 PM UTC-8, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> On 12/9/22 20:33, Wayne Warthen wrote:
> > On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 3:43:23 PM UTC-8, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> >> Yes. I have upgraded both my P112s to 5.8. But if I read it correctly
> >> that actually got me nothing from 5.7. It seems to only address "higher
> >> clock rates and faster CPUs".
> >
> > OK, no idea. I am running a ROM and disk image that are just slightly modified from the posted one. Give me a day or two and I will try the exact stuff that is posted on my P112 and report back.
> It is curious as I assume other people are running this.

Well, I just downloaded the current ROM and CF Card image directly from stack180.com. I updated my P112 with both of them. I seem to be able to start and boot off of the CF Card image with no issues. Below is a log of my system startup and boot from the CF Card. This makes me think there must be a hardware difference of some kind. The P112 itself is a pretty standard thing and there are no differences in the various runs of the board that I am aware of. However, I do believe there were a few variations on the GIDE board. I am running the D-GIDE Rev A1 dated 2015 from TG Consulting.

As you will see below, I am booting with the command "Z 3" to boot directly from the GIDE. I am curious what happens if you use the "L 3" command. This should read the boot tracks and return to the ROM prompt. Even if the CF Card image is bad, this should work. If not, then I would think there is an issue with the GIDE and/or CF Card (as opposed to the image on the CF Card). When I use "L 3", I get a message back like "Boot Track(s) loaded @ 8100H. Execute via G 8060".

For what it is worth, I can also boot to floppy with no issues. If you can write the floppy image to a floppy, you should be able to try that without any reliance on the GIDE hardware.

Thanks,

Wayne

SMC IO chip identified (FDC37C665GT): configuring
ROM v5.8 Dated: 13 Dec 2016 CPU clock: 24.576MHz
RAM available: 1024kB. From 00000 to FFFFF
ROM shadowed into 1st 32kB

Z80 Series ROM-Resident Debugger V1.06: D-X Designs Pty Ltd 1997
Special P112 Version: Interrupts Supported
Type '?' for help

=Z 3

OS loaded, booting...

P112 - B/P 52.00k Bios V1.3 11 Jan 17

ZEX, Version 3.1
A0> ZEX: ldp2d

ZSDOS Time Stamp Loader, Ver 1.1
Copyright (C) 1988 by H.F.Bower / C.W.Cotrill

P2Dos Stamper in User Space, 15 Mar 1993 ...loaded at E968H
Clock is : B/P BIOS Vector 1.0

A0> ZEX: zsconfig +a-

ZSCONFIG V1.0 Copyright (C) 1988 Harold F. Bower/Cameron W. Cotrill

...Configuring ZSDOS Ver 1.1
Stamp Access = Disabled

A0> ZEX: tdd u

ZsDos Clock SET !

Sat Dec 10, 2022 13:57:06

A0> ZEX: ldr sys.rcp,sys.fcp,sys.ndr

ZCPR3 LDR, Version 1.6
Loading SYS.RCP
Loading SYS.FCP
Loading SYS.NDR
A0:BASE> ZEX: if ~ex z3tcap.z3t
A0:BASE> ZEX: goto ERR
A0:BASE> ZEX: fi
A0:BASE> ZEX: ldr z3tcap.z3t

ZCPR3 LDR, Version 1.6
Loading Z3TCAP.Z3T
A0:BASE> ZEX: if input Load the B/P BIOS 1024K Banked Image ?
IF True?
A0:BASE> ZEX: ldsys bpsys

B/P Bios System Loader Vers 1.2 17 Jul 96
Copyright (C) 1991,3 by H.F.Bower & C.W.Cotrill

CCP starts at : C800 (0800H Bytes)
Banked Ccp at : 0900 (0C80H Bytes)
DOS starts at : D000 (0980H Bytes)
Banked Dos at : 1580 (0D00H Bytes)
BIOS starts at : DE00 (0A80H Bytes)
Banked Bios at : 2280 (142AH Bytes)

...installing Banked System

D-X Designs P112 - B/P 57.00k Bios V2.1 11 Jan 17 (Banked) with:

ZCPR3+ Env
Dallas DS-1202 Clock, NO Set
High-Density Floppy (Polled IO)
GIDE Hard Disk Driver
Warm Boot from RAM
RAM Disk (M:)
Full Error Messages

ZEX, Version 3.1
A0-> ZEX: zscfg2 cb +a +c m- >-

ZSCFG2 V2.0b Copyright (C) 1991/2 Harold F. Bower/Cameron W. Cotrill

...Configuring ZSDOS Ver 2.0
Clock Routine = DE4EH
Stamp Access = Enabled
Stamp Create = Enabled
Search Path = Disabled

13:57 - A0-> ZEX: iopinit

Initialize IOP Buffer, Ver 1.0, 31 Aug 92

..IOP Buffer Initialized with Dummy..

13:57 - A0-> ZEX: ldr sys.fcp,sys.ndr,z3tcap.z3t

ZCPR3 LDR, Version 1.6
Loading SYS.FCP
Loading SYS.NDR
Loading Z3TCAP.Z3T
13:57 - A0:BASE-> ZEX: if ~ex m:-ram.000
13:57 - A0:BASE-> ZEX: iniramd pdq
Initialize B/P RAM Drive V1.1 12 Apr 93

....Drive M is Initialized
(P2Dos Stamps Added)
(DateStamper Added)

13:57 - A0:BASE-> ZEX: fi
13:57 - A0:BASE-> ZEX: if ~ex m15:copy.com
13:57 - A0:BASE-> ZEX: copy a13:*.* m15: /e
COPY Version 1.73 (for ZSDOS) 2 Jul 2001
Copying A13:????????.??? to M15:
-> COPY .COM..Ok (Dated) Verify..Ok
-> DIRU .COM..Ok (Dated) Verify..Ok
-> L80 .COM..Ok (Dated) Verify..Ok
-> M80 .COM..Ok (Dated) Verify..Ok
-> UCOPY .COM..Ok (Dated) Verify..Ok
-> ZED .COM..Ok (Dated) Verify..Ok
-> ZMAC .COM..Ok (Dated) Verify..Ok
-> ZML .COM..Ok (Dated) Verify..Ok
-> ZZAP .COM..Ok (Dated) Verify..Ok
0 Errors
13:57 - A0:BASE-> ZEX: fi
13:57 - A0:BASE-> ZEX: setpath

ZPATH v1.1 4 Jul 93 (ZSDOS 2.0)

ZSCFG2 V2.0b Copyright (C) 1991/2 Harold F. Bower/Cameron W. Cotrill

...Configuring ZSDOS Ver 2.0
Search Path = Disabled

13:57 - A0:BASE-> ZEX: setchs p 1 H16 S16

SetCHS v1.01 Primary Slave: 16 x 16

Active Translation Native Mode
Primary Master: 30590 x 16 x 16 7769 x 16 x 63
Primary Slave: Not Present

13:57 - A0:BASE-> ZEX: Done
13:57 - A0:BASE->

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 by: Bill Gunshannon - Sun, 11 Dec 2022 00:57 UTC

On 12/10/22 17:21, Wayne Warthen wrote:
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:45:57 PM UTC-8, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> On 12/9/22 20:33, Wayne Warthen wrote:
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 3:43:23 PM UTC-8, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>> Yes. I have upgraded both my P112s to 5.8. But if I read it correctly
>>>> that actually got me nothing from 5.7. It seems to only address "higher
>>>> clock rates and faster CPUs".
>>>
>>> OK, no idea. I am running a ROM and disk image that are just slightly modified from the posted one. Give me a day or two and I will try the exact stuff that is posted on my P112 and report back.
>> It is curious as I assume other people are running this.
>
> Well, I just downloaded the current ROM and CF Card image directly from stack180.com. I updated my P112 with both of them. I seem to be able to start and boot off of the CF Card image with no issues. Below is a log of my system startup and boot from the CF Card. This makes me think there must be a hardware difference of some kind. The P112 itself is a pretty standard thing and there are no differences in the various runs of the board that I am aware of. However, I do believe there were a few variations on the GIDE board. I am running the D-GIDE Rev A1 dated 2015 from TG Consulting.

My GIDE is from TG Consulting but dated 2006.

>
> As you will see below, I am booting with the command "Z 3" to boot directly from the GIDE. I am curious what happens if you use the "L 3" command. This should read the boot tracks and return to the ROM prompt. Even if the CF Card image is bad, this should work. If not, then I would think there is an issue with the GIDE and/or CF Card (as opposed to the image on the CF Card). When I use "L 3", I get a message back like "Boot Track(s) loaded @ 8100H. Execute via G 8060".
>

I get the wrong disk format message with Z and it just hangs with L.
I even tried a different type of CF-IDE adapter stolen out of another
piece of equipment.

> For what it is worth, I can also boot to floppy with no issues. If you can write the floppy image to a floppy, you should be able to try that without any reliance on the GIDE hardware.
>

Floppies boot just fine. for me.

Something else I can try. I'll boot from a floppy and see if it
recognizes the presence of the hard disk when I use the CF-IDE.

bill

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 by: Bill Gunshannon - Mon, 12 Dec 2022 00:46 UTC

The saga continues....

I grabbed a copy of the latest CP/M 2.2 floppy and booted it.
FDISK sees the CF-IDE Adapter and reports a correct size. It
also says there is a "B/P BIOS boot record". But it sees no
partition table and the CF still won't boot. I even tried
using a Linux Image Writer tool. But still nothing. One new
curiosity. The image is reported as being 1.5 M too big for
a 64M CF card. Windows writes it anyway but Linux refuses.
I used a 128M CF and was able to write it on both Windows and
Linux but it still won't boot and defies examination with the
tools available to me.

I wonder what would happen if I tried to write it to a real disk?

bill

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Subject: Re: P112 C/PM 2.2 Hard Disk
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 by: Wayne Warthen - Mon, 12 Dec 2022 02:22 UTC

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 4:46:47 PM UTC-8, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> I grabbed a copy of the latest CP/M 2.2 floppy and booted it.

Where are you getting the CP/M 2.2 floppy image? I want to try it myself.
The floppy image I use is the one posted on stack180.com which is not
CP/M 2.2, it is BPBIOS.

> FDISK sees the CF-IDE Adapter and reports a correct size. It
> also says there is a "B/P BIOS boot record". But it sees no
> partition table and the CF still won't boot.

Hmmm... a BPBIOS hard disk has no partition table and BPBIOS
has no FDISK program. Did this FDISK come on the CP/M 2.2
floppy? The CF Card image from stack180.com would
definitely not have a partition table, which is normal.
It is not supposed to have one. I am a bit unclear whether
you have tried the floppy image from stack180.com or not.
If not, I suggest you try that one.

> I even tried
> using a Linux Image Writer tool. But still nothing. One new
> curiosity. The image is reported as being 1.5 M too big for
> a 64M CF card. Windows writes it anyway but Linux refuses.
> I used a 128M CF and was able to write it on both Windows and
> Linux but it still won't boot and defies examination with the
> tools available to me.

CF Cards that are labeled 64MB are typically sized using the definition
of 1M = 1,000,000 bytes instead of 1,024 * 1024 bytes. So, the image
may indeed be too big for the CF Card. Although I would expect it to
fail both on Windows and Linux.

> I wonder what would happen if I tried to write it to a real disk?

Should work.

-Wayne

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 by: Wayne Warthen - Mon, 12 Dec 2022 02:34 UTC

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 6:22:08 PM UTC-8, Wayne Warthen wrote:
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 4:46:47 PM UTC-8, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> > I grabbed a copy of the latest CP/M 2.2 floppy and booted it.
> Where are you getting the CP/M 2.2 floppy image? I want to try it myself.
> The floppy image I use is the one posted on stack180.com which is not
> CP/M 2.2, it is BPBIOS.

OK, I think I found the CP/M 2.2 disk. It does indeed have an FDISK program on it.
This would imply that this implementation of CP/M 2.2 is enhanced to understand
hard disk partitions. When I run FDISK, like you, it does not see any partition on
my CF Card. So, I don't think that means much except that the CF Card is being
accessed. I would still encourage you to try the stack180.com floppy image.

-Wayne

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 by: Dennis Boone - Mon, 12 Dec 2022 04:38 UTC

> Does anyone have instructions on how to make a C/PM 2.2 installation on
> a hard disk on the P112 with the GIDE? Might look at CPM 3.0 as well,
> but I would really like a C/PM 2.2 hard disk system to work with.

Bill,

Have you run BPCNFG and IDEINIT on this CF card? Some notes here
that might be useful:

https://sites.google.com/site/tingox/p112-gide

De

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 by: Bill Gunshannon - Mon, 12 Dec 2022 14:04 UTC

On 12/11/22 23:38, Dennis Boone wrote:
> > Does anyone have instructions on how to make a C/PM 2.2 installation on
> > a hard disk on the P112 with the GIDE? Might look at CPM 3.0 as well,
> > but I would really like a C/PM 2.2 hard disk system to work with.
>
> Bill,
>
> Have you run BPCNFG and IDEINIT on this CF card? Some notes here
> that might be useful:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/tingox/p112-gide
>

Haven't seen either of those commands. Which disk should I be
looking on?

Why would I need to do any prep on the CF card when I am copying
a complete image onto it?

Things just get more confusing every day.

bill

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