On 2/27/2023 12:48 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

<snip>

> I did lent a phone to a guest, and I have friends in the auntie
> situation. So, no, you are wrong.

That's a good point. We had a guest visiting from Taiwan on a student
exchange. I provided her with a spare old phone while she was here, and
got her a short term service plan. I can't remember if I did a factory
reset of the old phone or not.

About two years ago there was a report that Apple was working on
multi-user support, but it hasn't happened yet, see
<https://www.financialexpress.com/life/technology-apple-is-apparently-working-on-bringing-multiple-user-support-to-iphones-2156134/>.

On 2023-02-27, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> A bit long (IMO). Mine is 10 char composed of a 5 char word + 5
>> chars of gibberish (digits/symbols). My watch is 8 digits - but only
>> need to enter those when I strap on the watch. Not likely to have a
>> stranger staring over my shoulder at 7 am.
>>
>> IAC, in "public" only seem to need FaceID or my Watch.
>
> Alan Browne is too stupid blah blah blah

All you do is troll. You suck as a human being.

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In article <ttjlp1$3d8ud$2@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> About two years ago there was a report that Apple was working on
> multi-user support, but it hasn't happened yet,

it has for ipads (and for longer than 2 years) because ipads are
commonly shared. phones are not. the demand simply isn't there.

On 2023-02-27 17:47, nospam wrote:
> In article <ttjlp1$3d8ud$2@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> About two years ago there was a report that Apple was working on
>> multi-user support, but it hasn't happened yet,
>
> it has for ipads (and for longer than 2 years) because ipads are
> commonly shared. phones are not. the demand simply isn't there.

Be fair:

It also hasn't happened, because Apple would rather that everyone buys
their own iPhone.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <ttjl4r$3d8ud$1@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> iPhones, and some brands of Android devices lack a "Secure Folder."
>
> iphones have the equivalent.
>

https://tech.hindustantimes.com/mobile/news/iphone-gets-secure-folder-with-ios-16-in-a-still-weird-way-71654578631042.html

On 2/27/2023 5:52 PM, badgolferman wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <ttjl4r$3d8ud$1@dont-email.me>, sms
>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> iPhones, and some brands of Android devices lack a "Secure Folder."
>>
>> iphones have the equivalent.
>>
>
> https://tech.hindustantimes.com/mobile/news/iphone-gets-secure-folder-with-ios-16-in-a-still-weird-way-71654578631042.html

This is not the same thing as being able to individually password
protect specific applications. nospam must be referring to something
else, or he is wrong again.

On 2/27/2023 12:48 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-02-27 21:13, nospam wrote:
>> In article <88evcjxh7r.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> unlike a laptop or desktop computer, a phone is not a shared device, so
>>>> there is no need for multiple user accounts on the iphone. adding a
>>>> feature that won't be used is not productive.
>>>
>>> Oh, yes, it can be shared.
>>
>> 'can be', but in reality, is not.
>>
>> a toothbrush can be shared too, but in reality, it's not.
>
> I did lent a phone to a guest, and I have friends in the auntie
> situation. So, no, you are wrong.

For iPhones, there is a jailbreak Tweak that brings multi-user support,
see
<https://repo.twickd.com/get/com.twickd.southerngirlwhocode.restriction>.

On 2023-02-27 20:36, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-02-27, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>
>>> A bit long (IMO). Mine is 10 char composed of a 5 char word + 5
>>> chars of gibberish (digits/symbols). My watch is 8 digits - but only
>>> need to enter those when I strap on the watch. Not likely to have a
>>> stranger staring over my shoulder at 7 am.
>>>
>>> IAC, in "public" only seem to need FaceID or my Watch.
>>
>> Alan Browne is too stupid blah blah blah
>
> All you do is troll. You suck as a human being.

It's desperate. I never answer it. And that is very painful for trolls.

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In article <ttjmju$3cha4$7@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> >> About two years ago there was a report that Apple was working on
> >> multi-user support, but it hasn't happened yet,
> >
> > it has for ipads (and for longer than 2 years) because ipads are
> > commonly shared. phones are not. the demand simply isn't there.
>
> Be fair:
>
> It also hasn't happened, because Apple would rather that everyone buys
> their own iPhone.

they'd like that people buy one of everything, just as every company
would.

contrary to the fantasyland of the trolls, cellphones are rarely
shared, whereas ipads often are, such as in schools (as well as
chromebooks).

adding features just to fill a checklist but won't actually be used is
not productive. there are a lot of *other* features (a small number of
which were previously listed) that they did add, that android can only
wish for.

In article <ttjmo0$3dgun$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> iPhones, and some brands of Android devices lack a "Secure Folder."
> >
> > iphones have the equivalent.
>
>
> https://tech.hindustantimes.com/mobile/news/iphone-gets-secure-folder-with-ios-
> 16-in-a-still-weird-way-71654578631042.html

it's had it long before that.

On 2023-02-27 18:38, nospam wrote:
> In article <ttjmju$3cha4$7@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> About two years ago there was a report that Apple was working on
>>>> multi-user support, but it hasn't happened yet,
>>>
>>> it has for ipads (and for longer than 2 years) because ipads are
>>> commonly shared. phones are not. the demand simply isn't there.
>>
>> Be fair:
>>
>> It also hasn't happened, because Apple would rather that everyone buys
>> their own iPhone.
>
> they'd like that people buy one of everything, just as every company
> would.
>
> contrary to the fantasyland of the trolls, cellphones are rarely
> shared, whereas ipads often are, such as in schools (as well as
> chromebooks).
>
> adding features just to fill a checklist but won't actually be used is
> not productive. there are a lot of *other* features (a small number of
> which were previously listed) that they did add, that android can only
> wish for.

I agree with most of that.

I'm just not discounting the fact that Apple's wishes play a role here.

In article <ttjq42$3gjdp$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> >>>> About two years ago there was a report that Apple was working on
> >>>> multi-user support, but it hasn't happened yet,
> >>>
> >>> it has for ipads (and for longer than 2 years) because ipads are
> >>> commonly shared. phones are not. the demand simply isn't there.
> >>
> >> Be fair:
> >>
> >> It also hasn't happened, because Apple would rather that everyone buys
> >> their own iPhone.
> >
> > they'd like that people buy one of everything, just as every company
> > would.
> >
> > contrary to the fantasyland of the trolls, cellphones are rarely
> > shared, whereas ipads often are, such as in schools (as well as
> > chromebooks).
> >
> > adding features just to fill a checklist but won't actually be used is
> > not productive. there are a lot of *other* features (a small number of
> > which were previously listed) that they did add, that android can only
> > wish for.
>
> I agree with most of that.
>
>
> I'm just not discounting the fact that Apple's wishes play a role here.

it's very small, if any.

but for an amusing anecdote, when the lifesaver imacs came out long
ago, apple somewhat jokingly did say to get one in every colour.

On 28 Feb 2023, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.mobile.android:

> It's desperate.

Why do you call someone an it?
How old are you?
What grade?

On 27 Feb 2023 at 8:24:42 PM, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> I only brought up having multiple user accounts on one
> device because doing so is a good workaround for the lack of having a
> "Secure Folder" type feature that Samsung, and some other brands of
> Android devices, provide.
>
> iPhones, and some brands of Android devices lack a "Secure Folder."
> For Android you can use a separate user account or an Applock type app
> to achieve a similar result. For iOS you need to jailbreak to use such
> an app.

I have the Asus which can do a secure folder without signing into Asus.
But can you use the Samsung secure folder without signing into Samsung?
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On 2/27/2023 8:27 PM, nospam wrote:

>> iPhones, and some brands of Android devices lack a "Secure Folder."
>
> iphones have the equivalent.

How many of those Apple or Android password pin protection schemes will
work on the phone without requiring an account on some internet server?

On 2/27/2023 11:44 PM, RJH wrote:

> I have the Asus which can do a secure folder without signing into Asus.
> But can you use the Samsung secure folder without signing into Samsung?

Yes.

However, if you forget the password (or PIN or pattern) to access your
Secure Folder then you will need to sign into your Samsung account to
reset it.

On 2/28/2023 12:37 AM, Big Dog wrote:
> On 2/27/2023 8:27 PM, nospam wrote:
>
>>> iPhones, and some brands of Android devices lack a "Secure Folder."
>>
>> iphones have the equivalent.
>
> How many of those Apple or Android password pin protection schemes will
> work on the phone without requiring an account on some internet server?

Samsung doesn't require it, however if you need to reset your password
(or pin or pattern) then you have to sign into your Samsung account to
reset it.

iOS does not yet offer Secure Folder for apps. Hopefully we'll see it in
a future version of iOS and iPadOS. For now, there are jailbreak tweaks
that add both biometric protection for individual apps and multi-user
capability. However jailbreak tweaks tend to stop working as iOS is
updated and Apple figures out how to prevent the tweaks. It's also
become much more difficult to jailbreak iOS and iPadOS devices.

In article <ttkt8l$3jnv9$3@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> iOS does not yet offer Secure Folder for apps.

you're backpedaling again.

> Hopefully we'll see it in
> a future version of iOS and iPadOS.

unlikely, for all sorts of reasons.

On 2023-02-27 23:00, nospam wrote:
> In article <l4lvcjxjk3.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> it's extremely rare,
>>
>> Data source for that assertion of yours? You will have polls, stats...
>
> apple does, and has chosen to implement features that are in higher
> demand.
>
> they *did* implement multiple users for ipads, which are commonly
> shared, notably in schools.
>
> where's your data that it's common?

Personal experience of knowing users that use the feature. I say neither
"extremely rare" or "extremely used". I say that it is used. It is you
who makes an strong affirmation of "extremely rare", so it is you who
has to prove the point.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2023-02-28 02:24, sms wrote:
> On 2/27/2023 1:49 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2023-02-27 21:59, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <mihvcjxhk.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I did lent a phone to a guest, and I have friends in the auntie
>>>> situation. So, no, you are wrong.
>>>
>>> it's extremely rare,
>>
>> Data source for that assertion of yours? You will have polls, stats...
>
> LOL, you're new here huh?
>
> It is true that there are senior couples that sometimes share one mobile
> phone between them, but it is not that common any more, at least in the
> U.S., because there are so many low-cost, low-use, service plans
> available for seniors.

I happen to know seniors at the other side of the pond that share the
same phone. They actually use the gmail account of one or another, and
sometimes do the mistake of sending email as the "wrong" partner. :-)

The other partner refuses to have a phone, no matter how cheap they are.

I also know people here, with a job on computers and technology, that
refuse to have a phone of their own, using the company phone instead.
The wife bought a phone for him, and months later he gave it to daughter
instead :-D

> But in any case, I only brought up having multiple user accounts on one
> device because doing so is a good workaround for the lack of having a
> "Secure Folder" type feature that Samsung, and some other brands of
> Android devices, provide.
>
> iPhones, and some brands of Android devices lack a "Secure Folder."
> For Android you can use a separate user account or an Applock type app
> to achieve a similar result. For iOS you need to jailbreak to use such
> an app.

What's a "Secure Folder"?

Not a long explanation, just a short description so that I know what we
are talking about :-)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2023-02-28 00:03, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-02-27 13:49, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2023-02-27 21:59, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <mihvcjxhk.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I did lent a phone to a guest, and I have friends in the auntie
>>>> situation. So, no, you are wrong.
>>>
>>> it's extremely rare,
>>
>> Data source for that assertion of yours? You will have polls, stats...
>>
>>
>
> I'm wondering if you ask others for their sources... ...polls...
> ...stats, etc.

When I get the typical nospam assertion of saying that nobody does
something as if he really knew, yes.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2023-02-27 23:38, Nil wrote:
> On 28 Feb 2023, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.mobile.android:
>
>> It's desperate.
>
> Why do you call someone an it?

It deserves it...

....and we don't know its gender.

On 2023-02-28, Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
> On 28 Feb 2023, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.mobile.android:
>
>> It's desperate.
>
> Why do you call someone an it?
> How old are you?
> What grade?

Why so triggered? Is "it" your lover?

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Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-02-27 23:38, Nil wrote:
>> On 28 Feb 2023, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote in
>> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.mobile.android:
>>
>>> It's desperate.
>>
>> Why do you call someone an it?
>
> It deserves it...
>
> ...and we don't know its gender.
>

That’s childish. You know full well.

On 2/28/2023 6:13 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

<snip>

> Personal experience of knowing users that use the feature. I say neither
> "extremely rare" or "extremely used". I say that it is used. It is you
> who makes an strong affirmation of "extremely rare", so it is you who
> has to prove the point.

It's worth noting that every time that a feature that's available on
Android, but not yet available on iOS, the "extremely rare" excuse is
trotted out by "those who must not be named."

Here's the reality: if there's a jailbreak tweak to add functionality
that already exists on Android, then the desire for that functionality
is not "extremely rare," it's significant.

Some of the tweaks provide critical functionality, some add useful but
not critical functionality, some increase convenience, and some are just
nice to have. Tweaks often stop working when iOS is updated since Apple
tries to prevent that functionality for various reasons.

Some useful Tweaks to gain functionality for iOS that is already
available on Android (not all of them may still be working):

Shutdown protection
<https://havoc.app/package/powerguard>
<http://repo.ziph0n.com/depictions/?p=com.ziph0n.pickpocket11>

Separate audio volume controls for different functions
<https://ioshacker.com/cydia/smartvolumemixer2-tweak-supercharges-volume-controls-on-your-iphone>
<http://apt.thebigboss.org/onepackage.php?bundleid=com.brend0n.volumemixer&db=>

App launchers
<https://idisqus.com/best-app-launcher-tweaks-ios-14/>

Media Players
<https://idisqus.com/best-media-player-tweaks-for-ios-14/>

Contacts
<https://www.idownloadblog.com/2021/08/03/contacts-extended/>

GPS Spoofing
<https://www.idownloadblog.com/2020/06/15/location-faker/>

File System Browsing
<https://www.idownloadblog.com/2021/03/03/xenon/>

Message Scheduling
<https://www.idownloadblog.com/2021/05/17/nova/>

Multiple Users
<https://repo.twickd.com/get/com.twickd.southerngirlwhocode.restriction>

Home Screen Layout
<https://www.idownloadblog.com/2021/03/01/homeplus-pro-ios-14/>

Home Screen Rotation
<https://freecydiadownload.com/pivot-tweak/>

App Extraction and Backup
<https://www.reddit.com/r/jailbreak/comments/5pkxs5/tutorial_repackaging_ipa_using_ipa_installer/>

Custom Keyboards
<https://www.idownloadblog.com/2021/03/09/shortmoji-2/>

Remote Management
<https://cydia.saurik.com/info/veency/>

Torrents
<https://www.idownloadblog.com/tag/torrent/>

Individual Application Locking
<https://appadvice.com/appnn/2014/02/cydia-tweak-passcode-lock-individual-ios-apps-with-iapplock>

Analog Clock
<https://www.idownloadblog.com/2022/01/18/analog/>

Battery Charge Limit
<https://www.ios-repo-updates.com/repository/udevs/package/com.udevs.battsafepro/>

Disable internet access for individual apps, including Wi-Fi
<https://piunikaweb.com/2019/12/07/disable-network-apps-ios-13-jailbreak-tweak/>

On Screen Call Rejection when Screen is Locked
<https://www.idownloadblog.com/2019/12/18/letmedecline/>