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 by: bill - Fri, 23 Apr 2021 00:04 UTC

On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 22:13:44 +0200, Bernd Rose wrote:

> ^M are just 2 simple characters (^ and M).
> There's no interpreter (function) involved

Thanks. That explains what I'm seeing.
I tried pasting a control M copied into vim but even that didn't work.
I will give up trying. ;-/

> That's not because of the \n, but because some of your active dictionaries
> accepts aaa as valid word.

Oh. Makes sense. Thanks.

> Best, first to try a string inside the Compose editor window.

Makes sense. Good hint. Dialog is powerful and has tricks everywhere. ;-/
> Back to "Regards,\nbill": Regular expressions aren't evaluated by the
> copy function or inside the text buffer, either.

OK. Makes sense. No interpreter. Thanks.

>
> As long as you have auto-wrapping of long lines turned on and leave the
> "Wrap after XX characters" on a fixed value, you can trick autocorrect
> into some virtual multi-line-support, though. Just type enough space
> characters between "Regards," and "Bill" to trigger the wrapping. ;-)

Wow. Yet another trick. Makes sense though. Let's try it.
Oooooooooh! Worked PERFECTLY the very first time I tested it!

It doesn't jump to the next line so I have to type the triple-c at a
newline. And it seems to be case sensitive as CCC doesn't trigger it.

I tested triple-c as being defined as:
Regards,
bill

I gave it a long string of spaces and it worked fantastically.
First time. I must have guessed perfectly by accident at the number.

Now I have to go back and count the spaces as the autowrap is whatever the
default is set to. Using vim I converted spaces to x's to get this:

Regards,xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxbill

Counting by hand that's 83 spaces plus the 8 characters in "Regards," for a
total of 91 characters which must be the line wrap point I guess.

> This may get you unfriendly replies, though, if people start to notice,
> that you bloat all your messages with lots of unnecessary space chars
> just to save a couple of keystrokes. So, maybe, you apply this approach
> only, when you find a longer first-line text than "Regards,"... ;-)

Well, I'm testing it out now... (the triple-c has to be on its own line).

Regards,
bill

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 by: Bernd Rose - Fri, 23 Apr 2021 03:53 UTC

On Fri, 23rd Apr 2021 02:04:27 +0200, bill wrote:

[Multi-line autocorrect with padding spaces]
> I gave it a long string of spaces and it worked fantastically.
> First time. I must have guessed perfectly by accident at the number.
>
> Now I have to go back and count the spaces as the autowrap is whatever the
> default is set to. Using vim I converted spaces to x's to get this:
>
> Regards,xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxbill
>
> Counting by hand that's 83 spaces plus the 8 characters in "Regards," for a
> total of 91 characters which must be the line wrap point I guess.
>
>> This may get you unfriendly replies, though, if people start to notice,
>> that you bloat all your messages with lots of unnecessary space chars
>> just to save a couple of keystrokes. So, maybe, you apply this approach
>> only, when you find a longer first-line text than "Regards,"... ;-)
>
> Well, I'm testing it out now... (the triple-c has to be on its own line).
>
> Regards,
> bill

Two effects from one omission I remembered yesterday after shutting down
my PC: Auto-wrap in 40tude Dialog does not wrap into leading spaces. The
next non-whitespace character encountered after the wrapping margin will
be the first character on the next line. What's more: trailing spaces left
over from auto-wrap are automatically deleted by 40tude Dialog before
sending. (As you can see on your salutation above.) - So, there actually
is no need to prolong your "Regards," to minimize the number of trailing
spaces. ;-)

Bernd

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 by: bill - Fri, 23 Apr 2021 14:57 UTC

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 05:53:42 +0200, Bernd Rose wrote:

> there actually is no need to prolong your "Regards,"
> to minimize the number of trailing spaces. ;-)

Every post you tell me neat tricks that Dialog has that I didn't know!

Interestingly I WAS wondering what happened to the 83 blanks AFTER I sent
the message and looked to see how obnoxious it would be (as per your prior
warning).

And I WAS wondering how I could have guessed perfectly at the number of
spaces since I had expected to run a few trial and error tests before I got
the number of spaces down right.

It turns out both problems were already solved for me by Dialog!
-1- Dialog was smart in removing all the padding spaces before sending
-2- Therefore it doesn't matter how many (as long as it exceeds wrap count)

Another perfect solution! (I'm gonna type "CCC" (lowercase) now...)

Regards,
bill
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There's never a dull moment.

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 by: Bernd Rose - Fri, 23 Apr 2021 17:16 UTC

On Fri, 23rd Apr 2021 16:57:51 +0200, bill wrote:

> It turns out both problems were already solved for me by Dialog!
> -1- Dialog was smart in removing all the padding spaces before sending
> -2- Therefore it doesn't matter how many (as long as it exceeds wrap count)

You can expand the usage case on this thought: You wrote, you need to go
to the start of a line to have the salutation expanding on separate lines.
That's not necessarily the case. You can also add a whole bunch of spaces
/prior/ "Regards,". If, afterwards, you type the autoreplace shortcut at
the end of a non-empty line, this will insert "Regards," at the start of
the /next/ line. If, OTOH, the autoreplace shortcut is inserted at the
beginning of a line, this will insert an additional empty line above the
line containing "Regards,".

You can't insert two line wraps in a row, though. It would be possible,
to separate two blocks of spaces (each longer than line wrap) with a
virtually invisible character using the Unicode charset. But that would
cause every single message you post to be encoded with UTF-7 or UTF-8.
(Which is really not advisable.) There are a few characters inside the
7-bit US-ASCII charset, that might seem acceptable at the beginning of
empty lines separating a greeting from the text body, though.
=> The characters +-=*.,~#% come in mind.
> Another perfect solution! (I'm gonna type "CCC" (lowercase) now...)

I'm still wondering, why "rb" doesn't work for you. It seems like the
perfect fit and works without problems on my system with English and
German dictionaries enabled. Did you add "rb" to a custom dictionary
sometime in past?

Bernd

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 by: bill - Fri, 23 Apr 2021 22:37 UTC

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 19:16:01 +0200, Bernd Rose wrote:

> You can also add a whole bunch of spaces
> /prior/ "Regards,". If, afterwards, you type the autoreplace shortcut at
> the end of a non-empty line, this will insert "Regards," at the start of
> the /next/ line.

That also worked (see salutation below done using that method!).
That's perfect!

> I'm still wondering, why "rb" doesn't work for you. It seems like the
> perfect fit and works without problems on my system with English and
> German dictionaries enabled. Did you add "rb" to a custom dictionary
> sometime in past?

I checked and didn't see "rb " but it's ok that it didn't work.
Everything else I tried from you did work so that's great progress.

I'm going to type the salutation command at the end of this line.
Regards,
bill
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Quite frankly, they cant see the point

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 by: Bernd Rose - Sat, 24 Apr 2021 07:12 UTC

On Sat, 24th Apr 2021 00:37:11 +0200, bill wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 19:16:01 +0200, Bernd Rose wrote:
>
>> You can also add a whole bunch of spaces
>> /prior/ "Regards,". If, afterwards, you type the autoreplace shortcut at
>> the end of a non-empty line, this will insert "Regards," at the start of
>> the /next/ line.
>
> That also worked (see salutation below done using that method!).
> That's perfect!
[...]
> I'm going to type the salutation command at the end of this line.
> Regards,
> bill...................................................................................................................................

I replaced spaces with dots for clarification: Seems my suggested method
has its limits when done multi-line. ;-)

The spaces will not be cited, though. (I manually needed to copy them back
into the message.) It's a question of weighting pros and cons, then.

Bernd

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 by: bill - Sat, 24 Apr 2021 14:36 UTC

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 09:12:32 +0200, Bernd Rose wrote:

>> Regards,
>> bill...................................................................................................................................
>
> I replaced spaces with dots for clarification: Seems my suggested method
> has its limits when done multi-line. ;-)
>
> The spaces will not be cited, though. (I manually needed to copy them back
> into the message.) It's a question of weighting pros and cons, then.

Well then...... Dialog isn't actually "perfect" (but only nearly so!). :-/

I love the flexibility of Dialog and the ability to do these nice things!

I now have what I needed which is an easy way to end the message nicely.
I'll type the CCC, lowercase, exactly after the bang (no spaces before).

THANK YOU!
Regards,
bill
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From: spansa...@gmail.com (Pancho Sanza)
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Subject: Re: Dialog signature delimiter
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 01:10:29 +0200
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 by: Pancho Sanza - Sun, 25 Apr 2021 23:10 UTC

Op Mon, 19 Apr 2021 03:18:44 +0200 schreef bill:

> But how do you set a sig in Dialog that doesn't add the dash dash space?

I guess your question has been answered to your satisfaction (I tried
to follow the thread but got lost in Dialog specific technicalities),
but nevertheless I still feel the uncontrollable need to add my 2
cents. Which means I would do it by applying a simple keyboard macro.

Record these key-strokes: <CTRL>-F -> Fill in "-- " (to search for) ->
<Enter> -> <Del> <Del> (to remove the .sig delimiter and its line) ->
<Alt-C -> "S" (to send now) or "e" (to send later), and that's it,
basically.

In the Good Old Days I even used keyboard macros to move text from the
newsreader editor to a Real Editor for some Serious Editing and vice
versa, but nowadays I can't be bothered with tricks like these
anymore.

Btw, I used (and still use) a 21 year old tiny program called Keyboard
Express for recurring tasks like these.

--
Pancho

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 by: Bernd Rose - Mon, 26 Apr 2021 04:15 UTC

On Mon, 26th Apr 2021 01:10:29 +0200, Pancho Sanza wrote:

> Op Mon, 19 Apr 2021 03:18:44 +0200 schreef bill:
>
>> But how do you set a sig in Dialog that doesn't add the dash dash space?
>
> I guess your question has been answered to your satisfaction (I tried
> to follow the thread but got lost in Dialog specific technicalities),
> but nevertheless I still feel the uncontrollable need to add my 2
> cents. Which means I would do it by applying a simple keyboard macro.
>
> Record these key-strokes: <CTRL>-F -> Fill in "-- " (to search for) ->
> <Enter> -> <Del> <Del> (to remove the .sig delimiter and its line) ->
> <Alt-C -> "S" (to send now) or "e" (to send later), and that's it,
> basically.

40tude Dialog has no keyboard shortcut assigned to <Find...> inside the
Compose Editor window. First step for this approach would be, to assign
<Ctrl><F> (or whatever shortcut seems appropriate) to the find function.
Maybe, you did this in your 40tude Dialog instance a while ago?

Setting has to be done with Options -> Configure buttons/Shortcuts...
from the menu of a Compose Window, /not/ from main 40tude Dialog window.

Apart from this: 40tude Dialog Compose Editor <Find...> does not support
RegEx searches. -- Therefore, this macro may create undesirable results.
(Is herefore even a valid English word?) ;-)

Bernd

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