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* DECnet-RT noob questionsSupratim Sanyal
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Subject: DECnet-RT noob questions
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 by: Supratim Sanyal - Sat, 4 Dec 2021 03:15 UTC

I posted this at comp.os.vms and HECnet, but this really is the place to
boldly ask.

Asking as someone who knows very little in general and even less about
RT-11.

1) How was DECnet-RT distributed? Where is a tape/disk image?

2) I have NU.SYS loaded, and have enabled XU in SimH .ini resulting in a
DELUA being attached; is anything else needed (other than the actual
DECnet-RT stack)?

3) I also have a DUP line attached; what is the corresponding device
helper/.SYS/.MAC name in RT-11? Is it present at all in the list below?
If not, how do I get the .MAC or .SYS helper driver?

4) If there is a choice, I would prefer DDCMP over the DUP instead of
DELUA; is that possible?

5) If connected to HECnet, Phase-IV nodes will know this is Area-31 ?

..SHOW ALL

RT-11XM V05.07
Booted from DU0:RT11XM

USR is set NOSWAP
EXIT is set SWAP
KMON is set NOIND
RUN is set NOVBGEXE
MODE is set NOSJ
TT is set NOQUIET
ERROR is set ERROR
SL is set OFF
EDIT is set KEX
FORTRAN is set FORTRA
KMON nesting depth is 3

CLI is set DCL, CCL, UCL, NO UCF

PDP 11/45,50,55 Processor
248KB of memory
FP11 Hardware Floating Point Unit
Extended Instruction Set (EIS)
Memory Management Unit
60 Hertz System Clock

Device I/O time-out support
System job support
FPU support
UNIBUS mapping unavailable

Device Status CSR Vector(s)
------ ------ --- ---------
DL Not installed 174400 160
DM Not installed 177440 210
DU Resident 172150 154
DW Not installed 000000
DX Not installed 177170 264
DY Not installed 177170 264
DZ Not installed 000000
LD Installed 000000 000
LP Installed 177514 200
LS Not installed 176500 470 474 300 304
MM Not installed 172440 224
MS Not installed 172522 224 300
MT Not installed 172520 224
MU Installed 174500 260
NC Not installed 000000
NL Installed 000000 000
NQ Not installed 174440 120
NU Installed 174510 120
PI -Not installed 000000 000
RK Not installed 177400 220
SL Installed 000000 000
SP Installed 000000 110
UB -Not installed 170200 000
VM Not installed 177572 000
XC Not installed 173300 210 214
XL Not installed 176500 300 304

TT (Resident)
DU (Resident)
DU0 = DK , SY
MQ (Resident)
LD
SL
SP
NU
MU
LP
NL
21 free slots

Job Name Console Level State Low High Impure
--- ---- ------- ----- ----- --- ---- ------
0 RESORC 0 0 Run 000000 104636 121324

No multi-terminal support

------- Extended Memory --------
Address Module Words Type
------- ------ ----- ----
17760000 IOPAGE 4096. PRM HDW BYP
00760000 MEMTOP
00247100 ...... 84192.
00234500 SL 2688. PVT
00226500 MU 1536. PVT
00200500 NU 5632. PVT
00172100 SP 1664. SHR
00165000 DU 1312. PVT
00160000 MCA 1280. PRM
00000000 KERNEL 28672. PRM HDW

------ Low Memory -------
Address Module Words
------- ------ -----
157314 DU 154.
116702 RMON 8325.
104640 USR 2577.
001000 ..BG.. 17360.

No LD units mounted

..dir dk0:

SWAP .SYS 28P 21-Jan-2000 RT11AI.SYS 96P 21-Jan-2000
RT11SB.SYS 97P 21-Jan-2000 RT11FB.SYS 106P 21-Jan-2000
RT11XM.SYS 124P 21-Jan-2000 RT11ZM.SYS 127P 21-Jan-2000
DL .SYS 4P 21-Jan-2000 DM .SYS 5P 21-Jan-2000
DU .SYS 10P 21-Jan-2000 DW .SYS 6P 21-Jan-2000
DX .SYS 4P 21-Jan-2000 DY .SYS 4P 21-Jan-2000
DZ .SYS 4P 21-Jan-2000 RK .SYS 3P 21-Jan-2000
LD .SYS 11P 21-Jan-2000 LP .SYS 2P 21-Jan-2000
LS .SYS 5P 21-Jan-2000 MM .SYS 10P 21-Jan-2000
MS .SYS 11P 21-Jan-2000 MT .SYS 9P 21-Jan-2000
MU .SYS 14P 21-Jan-2000 NL .SYS 2P 21-Jan-2000
PI .SYS 60P 21-Jan-2000 SL .SYS 17P 21-Jan-2000
SLMIN .SYS 12P 21-Jan-2000 SP .SYS 7P 21-Jan-2000
VM .SYS 3P 21-Jan-2000 XC .SYS 4P 21-Jan-2000
XL .SYS 4P 21-Jan-2000 DLX .SYS 5P 21-Jan-2000
DMX .SYS 5P 21-Jan-2000 DUX .SYS 13P 21-Jan-2000
DWX .SYS 6P 21-Jan-2000 DXX .SYS 4P 21-Jan-2000
DYX .SYS 4P 21-Jan-2000 DZX .SYS 4P 21-Jan-2000
LDX .SYS 11P 21-Jan-2000 LPX .SYS 2P 21-Jan-2000
LSX .SYS 5P 21-Jan-2000 MMX .SYS 11P 21-Jan-2000
MSX .SYS 12P 21-Jan-2000 MTX .SYS 10P 21-Jan-2000
MUX .SYS 19P 21-Jan-2000 NCX .SYS 10P 21-Jan-2000
NLX .SYS 2P 21-Jan-2000 NQX .SYS 10P 21-Jan-2000
NUX .SYS 10P 21-Jan-2000 PIX .SYS 68P 21-Jan-2000
RKX .SYS 3P 21-Jan-2000 SLX .SYS 20P 21-Jan-2000
SPX .SYS 11P 21-Jan-2000 UBX .SYS 13P 21-Jan-2000
VMX .SYS 3P 21-Jan-2000 XCX .SYS 4P 21-Jan-2000
XLX .SYS 4P 21-Jan-2000 STRTAI.COM 46P 21-Jan-2000
STRTFB.COM 5P 21-Jan-2000 STRTSB.COM 1P 21-Jan-2000
STRTXM.COM 8P 21-Jan-2000 STRTXB.COM 5P 21-Jan-2000
STRTZM.COM 8P 21-Jan-2000 STRTZB.COM 5P 21-Jan-2000
PIP .SAV 30P 21-Jan-2000 DUP .SAV 52P 21-Jan-2000
DIR .SAV 20P 21-Jan-2000 IND .SAV 58P 21-Jan-2000
RESORC.SAV 35P 21-Jan-2000 EDIT .SAV 19P 21-Jan-2000
KED .SAV 85P 21-Jan-2000 KEX .SAV 72P 21-Jan-2000
MACRO .SAV 63P 21-Jan-2000 CREF .SAV 6P 21-Jan-2000
LINK .SAV 59P 21-Jan-2000 MONMRG.SAV 14P 21-Jan-2000
LIBR .SAV 24P 21-Jan-2000 FILEX .SAV 22P 21-Jan-2000
SRCCOM.SAV 26P 21-Jan-2000 BINCOM.SAV 25P 21-Jan-2000
SLP .SAV 13P 21-Jan-2000 DUMP .SAV 10P 21-Jan-2000
SIPP .SAV 21P 21-Jan-2000 BUP .SAV 68P 21-Jan-2000
PAT .SAV 11P 21-Jan-2000 HELP .SAV 161P 21-Jan-2000
SYSMAC.SML 92P 21-Jan-2000 SYSLIB.OBJ 84P 21-Jan-2000
BATCH .SAV 26P 21-Jan-2000 QUEMAN.SAV 16P 21-Jan-2000
FORMAT.SAV 28P 21-Jan-2000 SETUP .SAV 43P 21-Jan-2000
VTCOM .SAV 24P 21-Jan-2000 DATIME.SAV 4P 21-Jan-2000
DATIME.MAC 23P 21-Jan-2000 DATIME.COM 3P 21-Jan-2000
LET .SAV 6P 21-Jan-2000 SPLIT .SAV 3P 21-Jan-2000
UCL .SAV 16P 21-Jan-2000 VBGEXE.SAV 18P 21-Jan-2000
TERMID.SAV 4P 21-Jan-2000 QUEUE .REL 14P 21-Jan-2000
RTMON .REL 8P 21-Jan-2000 SPOOL .REL 12P 21-Jan-2000
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TRANSF.SAV 16P 21-Jan-2000 TRANSF.TSK 76P 21-Jan-2000
TRANSF.EXE 45P 21-Jan-2000 GIDIS .SAV 72P 21-Jan-2000
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MDUP .MT 72P 21-Jan-2000 MDUP .MU 72P 21-Jan-2000
DEMOBG.MAC 2P 21-Jan-2000 DEMOFG.MAC 3P 21-Jan-2000
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SB .MAC 1P 21-Jan-2000 XB .MAC 1P 21-Jan-2000
XM .MAC 1P 21-Jan-2000 ZB .MAC 1P 21-Jan-2000
ZM .MAC 1P 21-Jan-2000 SYSTEM.MLB 148P 21-Jan-2000
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TRMTBL.MAC 26P 21-Jan-2000 USR .MAC 92P 21-Jan-2000
XMSUBS.MAC 74P 21-Jan-2000 BA .MAC 22P 21-Jan-2000
DL .MAC 42P 21-Jan-2000 DM .MAC 32P 21-Jan-2000
DU .MAC 101P 21-Jan-2000 DW .MAC 46P 21-Jan-2000
DX .MAC 21P 21-Jan-2000 DY .MAC 27P 21-Jan-2000
DZ .MAC 18P 21-Jan-2000 LD .MAC 76P 21-Jan-2000
LP .MAC 14P 21-Jan-2000 LS .MAC 47P 21-Jan-2000
NC .MAC 45P 21-Jan-2000 NI .MAC 27P 21-Jan-2000
NL .MAC 12P 21-Jan-2000 NQ .MAC 31P 21-Jan-2000
NU .MAC 40P 21-Jan-2000 RK .MAC 13P 21-Jan-2000
SP .MAC 87P 21-Jan-2000 TJ .MAC 39P 21-Jan-2000
TM .MAC 31P 21-Jan-2000 TS .MAC 55P 21-Jan-2000
TU .MAC 41P 21-Jan-2000 UM .MAC 112P 21-Jan-2000
VM .MAC 36P 21-Jan-2000 XC .MAC 3P 21-Jan-2000
XL .MAC 42P 21-Jan-2000 FSM .MAC 38P 21-Jan-2000
EL .MAC 26P 21-Jan-2000 ERROUT.SAV 37P 21-Jan-2000
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RTFB .MAP 35P 21-Jan-2000 RTXM .MAP 37P 21-Jan-2000
RTZM .MAP 38P 21-Jan-2000 SYSGEN.COM 286P 21-Jan-2000
SBFB .ANS 11P 21-Jan-2000 XBXM .ANS 12P 21-Jan-2000
XMEL .ANS 12P 21-Jan-2000 ZBZM .ANS 12P 21-Jan-2000
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NITEST.MAC 24P 21-Jan-2000 MSCPCK.SAV 4P 21-Jan-2000
DBGSYM.SAV 10P 21-Jan-2000 SDS .SYS 23P 21-Jan-2000
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 by: Dennis Boone - Sat, 4 Dec 2021 19:36 UTC

> 5) If connected to HECnet, Phase-IV nodes will know this is Area-31 ?

IIRC RT is DECnet II or III, and doesn't understand areas. I don't
remember whether an area router can make it possible for the RT machine
to talk to anything non-local.

De

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 by: Johnny Billquist - Wed, 8 Dec 2021 11:39 UTC

On 2021-12-04 20:36, Dennis Boone wrote:
> > 5) If connected to HECnet, Phase-IV nodes will know this is Area-31 ?
>
> IIRC RT is DECnet II or III, and doesn't understand areas. I don't
> remember whether an area router can make it possible for the RT machine
> to talk to anything non-local.

It would be at least phase III. But basically, if so, you would be
limited to talk to other nodes in the same area, and only nodes with a
number <256.

But the biggest problem is that noone seems to have actually seen DECnet-RT.

Johnny

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