Le 14/07/2022 à 21:15, Miner a écrit :

> Do I need to register a domain?
>

in french, azote.org allows free domains and it's what I use when in
test period

there are probably others, I dunno

jdd

On 7/14/22 14:15, Miner wrote:

> Do I need to register a domain?

Of course. You need a FQDN for the MX records, DKIM keys, etc.

Several countries still offer free domain registrations:

https://freenom.com

Email required a domain before the general public could purchase domains
from commercial registrars. Nothing has changed.

Your tone and comments tell me that paying for anything online is a
religious code violation, or you are extremely paranoid and having
certain opsec expectations. Either way you would do well to relax rather
than approaching this like a contest. Patience.

If the issue is keeping your legal identity from exposure, the best
solution is to buy a pre-paid gift VISA card (such as OneVanilla) and
use it to register a domain name under a DBA or using your attorney's
contact information, or just make up a pseudonym. Realize that if you
register a domain with a pseudonym or invalid mailing address, any DCMA
complaint sent to you might eventually result in IANA cancellation for
verification failure. So if you allow pirated content, you will
eventually lose the domain. The second best option is through a free
registrar like Freenom, which will likely block you from using Tor and
known VPNs to register on their site, requiring you to use a clearnet
connection.

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Ishmel Rowe Dent

On 7/14/22 1:15 PM, Miner wrote:
> Do I need to register a domain?

Does a domain need to be registered to be able to send email? No.

Will email be reliable without a domain being registered? No.

So I would draw the line with anyone who wanted to peer with my server
to require the ability for a vanilla email client + server to be able to
send your address at your domain an email.

N.B. I'm perfectly content with the email address you use being hosted
by someone else.

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Le 14/07/2022 à 23:56, Ishmel Rowe Dent a écrit :

> Several countries still offer free domain registrations:
>
> https://freenom.com
>

Hello,

I tried to send a PM but the email don't seems to work

I wanted to try freenom.com, but do not find a way to register there.
any random domain I test is marked "not available" as soon as I ask for
it, and as I can't login I can't use it. May be there are no more
subscription possible?

thanks
jdd

jdd wrote:

> Le 14/07/2022 23:56, Ishmel Rowe Dent a crit :
>
> > Several countries still offer free domain registrations:
>
> I wanted to try freenom.com, but do not find a way to register
> there. any random domain I test is marked "not available" as

Try to offer them money and see the result. :-) Perhaps another
one commercial piece of shit.

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Miner

Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> writes:
> Matthew Ernisse wrote:
>> I don't understand what the "commercial interests of a third party"
>> means in the context of having a reliable email address.
>
> My take on that is that you shouldn't depeer with someone who was not
> profiting from their Usenet service just because they started charging
> for access thereto / profiting therefrom. E.g. a small office that
> has a few modems and a Usenet server that allowed employees to dial in
> from home now decides to start selling dial up access to
> non-employees.
>
> Either you exchange articles or you don't. Your decision shouldn't be
> based on if the perspective peer is commercially benefiting from the
> peering or not.

I wouldn’t reject a commerical peer but in my opinion people are free to
peer with whoever they want, using their preferred criteria.

Peers I would reject:
* A peer I can’t contact if there is a problem. In practice this means
working email that is read at least occasionally.
* A peer who can’t/won’t stop sending binaries. My filter can deal with
them but I’d rather not have the resource usage.
* A peer who can’t/won’t stop sending material illegal in a jurisdiction
I care about. Mostly binaries I suspect but I don’t want to process
illegal bytes even just to reject them. (This is mostly about peers
where illegal material is directly injected; they need to make better
judgements about their end users.)
* Weird connectivity arrangements. If I can’t just drop a hostname into
my config then it’s not going to work. UUCP counts as weird for these
purposes.

--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

On 7/15/22 3:57 AM, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> I wouldn’t reject a commerical peer but in my opinion people are
> free to peer with whoever they want, using their preferred criteria.

Agreed.

> Peers I would reject:
>
> * A peer I can’t contact if there is a problem.
> * A peer who can’t/won’t stop sending binaries.
> * A peer who can’t/won’t stop sending material illegal in a
> jurisdiction I care about.
> * Weird connectivity arrangements.

These all seem perfectly reasonable to me.

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

On 7/14/22 11:28, Miner wrote:
> Ishmel Rowe Dent wrote:
>
>> The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
>> email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
>> You are exuding crank.
>
> Ishmel Rowe Dent, where did you disappear to? Now it's your turn
> on the stage. Did you read this <87a69bg3bs.fsf@hope.eyrie.org>?
>
> Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
> of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
> caring about commercial interests of a third party?
>
> Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.

A list of "reliable email service" --> (1) run your own MTA server.

Mail servers are free. You have numerous open-source options to choose
from. You can run it on a cheap VPS, a Bitcoin compute instance, or a
old computer in your basement. My first email server was set up 25 years
ago on a aged Dell tower that my employer tossed out when the new
servers came in. It cost me nothing. I had zero experience administering
mail and DNS yet I managed to have it set up in a few hours.

Today I run my own MTA on my own rented server. I manage my own DNS and
MX records there so I know it will be reliable. The server costs less
than $20.00 USD per year. Each domain name costs from 9.99 to 16.00 per
year. That's cheap. It hasn't had a hiccup in the last eighteen months
or so.

Your objection of "commercial interests of a third party" is out of
place here--it's non-sequitur. One must pay for an Internet connection
and that generally costs much more than a mail agent installed on a
cheap VPS. Even if you access through a cell phone, the phone bill for
one month is more than a year for a VPS and domain name.

If you think you're getting one over on the man by saving $30, you're
not quite grasping how this all works. There is nothing wrong with
commercial interests providing basic access services for dirt cheap.
Before the Internet was "commercialized" it was a walled garden open
only to the elite and their academic slaves and totally controlled by
government and academia. They've been trying to put the genie back in
the bottle for 30+ years with the panopticon. It's not ever going back.
The panopticon will fail in the end.

When you pay someone for a useful software-as-a-service you are not
merely "caring about commercial interests." You are funding the
maintenance of infrastructure that saves all of us a lot of hassle. But
no one is requiring a paid service to peer with your NNTP node. They're
just requiring an email address where they can be sure to contact you.

I will go on further to say that email is *never* going away. In 100
years email will still be the fundamental contact bridge on public
networks, if we haven't blown ourselves back to the stone age by then.
Email's design, although flawed and subject to improvements, is
fundamentally the right fit for every scope of infrastructure that has
come after. A email address points to a domain, then a user folder on
that domain. This is the fundamental concept of everything as a file
path. What email really is is a virtual filesystem bridge between
domains. My email message to you is a file, that gets copied by me, to
your folder (inbox). This was the case even before the Internet was open
to commercial usage.

If you want free email there's always elude.in, riseup, danwin1210.de,
tildemail, vivaldi, and many others.

You said you already run a INN server, so why not install dovecot or
exim and set up some MX records for your own mailer? Generally you must
install a MTA to install INN anyway, so you're already 2/3 of the way
there. If you use a admin panel like webmin or hestiacp, all the heavy
lifting is done for you in a graphical interface so you never have to
edit bind or server configs by hand.

Over the years I have seen peering discussions of totally anonymous
persons who have successfully gotten peered, even though the other
admins don't know their real identity. If you are concerned about doxing
your identity, use a prepaid credit card to get your VPS and domain
name, and set up your mail server that way. You may use a pseudonym.
Nobody really cares. What they do care about though is toxicity and
pointless accusations that are not even tangential to the issues. If you
show that you are making good faith contribution to the white hat hacker
culture, nobody cares about your real name. But if you are acting shady,
hackles prickle up.

I myself am eventually going to set up a NNTP server using a pseudonym
and I'd wager I won't have any problem getting several admins here to
peer with my node. Once they see my pseudo and my git repos, they'll
know I've been involved in 'the scene' with good intentions and we'll
just move forward.

You came in here with an imperious attitude, with strange expectations.
When this is pointed out, rather than learning from it, you want to
double down. You're not teachable. Everyone needs to be open to
correction--even the most talented hackers make mistakes. The best learn
from those mistakes. The worst mistake is a bad attitude.

--

Ishmel Rowe Dent

On 7/14/22 11:28, Miner wrote:
> Ishmel Rowe Dent wrote:
>
>> The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
>> email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
>> You are exuding crank.
>
> Ishmel Rowe Dent, where did you disappear to? Now it's your turn
> on the stage. Did you read this <87a69bg3bs.fsf@hope.eyrie.org>?
>
> Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
> of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
> caring about commercial interests of a third party?
>
> Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.

This smells like some Kerman crank. He's such a tender muffin. We don't
necessarily have a rat. We may have a sausage.

Run your own MTA.

--

Ishmel Rowe Dent

On 7/14/22 14:15, Miner wrote:
> Ishmel Rowe Dent wrote:
>
>> On 7/14/22 11:28, Miner wrote:
>>> Ishmel Rowe Dent wrote:
>>>
>>>> The same could be said about your inability to use a reliable
>>>> email service. Your request is extraordinary, and unreasonable.
>>>> You are exuding crank.
>>>
>>> Please, define the term "reliable email service". Give me a list
>>> of "reliable email service". Tell me how to use them without
>>> caring about commercial interests of a third party?
>>>
>>> Grant, you are welcome to assist Ishmel's.
>>
>> A list of "reliable email service" --> (1) Your own MTA server,
>> which presumably is already installed alongside your INN
>> server.
>
> Do I need to register a domain?
>

Of course. You need a FDQN for the MX records, DKIM keys, etc. Do you
have some kind of objection to obtaining a domain? If you do, give up
now. The Internet and its siblings are not for you in that case.

Tokelau and a few other countries' domains are still free:

https://freenom.com

Email required a domain before the general public could purchase domains
from commercial registrars. Nothing has changed. You seem to expect
others to agree that paying for anything online is a imposition. If that
is the case, you're not ever going to have it your way and you should
just give up now.

I still suspect that you are a troll who has an axe to grind and isn't
being quite honest about his intentions. It's really simple. If you want
to set up and peer a Usenet server, you do it the way nearly everyone
else has been doing it for 40 friggin' years, and stop your bellyaching
and yea butting, and do it, or find something else to do, or invent an
alternative that works the way you want and write the source code for it.

--

Ishmel Rowe Dent

>> Do I need to register a domain?
>>
>>
> Of course. You need a FDQN for the MX records, DKIM keys, etc. Do you
> have some kind of objection to obtaining a domain? If you do, give up
> now. The Internet and its siblings are not for you in that case.

If he/she doesn't have a domain who is going to bother sending a feed to
a dynamic dns host, I mean if you cant be F'd registering a domain for
what... 10 bucs a year... you are not serious and should just go away and
let the grown ups play

On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 08:37:21 -0000 (UTC)
Miner <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> I am looking for an additional peers.
>
> I have no external statical IP address. So, we can peer over
> Yggdrasil network only.
>

After starting to browse the thread which ended up TLDR;

Personally, I find usenet over i2p to be dodgy in the first place.
People find a way around having a dynamic IP such as using an ipv6
tunnel, which is what I did to start with.

Second, you're asking a lot of people to make exceptions for one
server, and your attitude is combative and standoffish. Nobody wants to
deal with an awkward peer. Remember, you are asking us to share our
resources with you. We're under no obligation to provide you with
anything and you hosting a usenet server is not doing us any favors.

I would gladly give you a feed over ipv6 if you had a different
attitude, but I may not be popular with my fellow peers for doing so.
You may have burnt your bridges here.

Go away, regroup, think of a different strategy, don't demand people
conform to your needs but you confirm to what has worked for decades
than you may find some of us a little more receptive.

Respecfully,

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