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 by: Dudley Brooks - Sun, 18 Jul 2021 23:23 UTC

(High Sierra)

I've found online instructions for creating Smart Folders and for
modifying their search criteria.

I can't find anything about how to delete one. (It's easy to remove it
from the Sidebar. But it still shows up in the Saved Searches.)

The Delete key does not work, of course -- it doesn't work anywhere in
Finder, right?

And "right-clicking" (control-clicking) on a Saved Search gives a menud
that does *not* include "Move to Trash".

I tried deleting all the search criteria. This makes the Saved Search
return nothing, of course ... but the Saved Search itself is still
visible in the Saved Searches folder.

It's nothing harmful. But it's irritating to have an unwanted saved
search sitting there doing nothing ... and infuriating that Apple did
not provide a way to delete one.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 00:15 UTC

On 2021-07-18, Dudley Brooks <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:
> (High Sierra)
>
> I've found online instructions for creating Smart Folders and for
> modifying their search criteria.
>
> I can't find anything about how to delete one. (It's easy to remove it
> from the Sidebar. But it still shows up in the Saved Searches.)
>
> The Delete key does not work, of course -- it doesn't work anywhere in
> Finder, right?
>
> And "right-clicking" (control-clicking) on a Saved Search gives a menud
> that does *not* include "Move to Trash".
>
> I tried deleting all the search criteria. This makes the Saved Search
> return nothing, of course ... but the Saved Search itself is still
> visible in the Saved Searches folder.
>
> It's nothing harmful. But it's irritating to have an unwanted saved
> search sitting there doing nothing ... and infuriating that Apple did
> not provide a way to delete one.

I believe those are stored in your ~/Library/Saved Searches directory.

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 by: Your Name - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 00:56 UTC

On 2021-07-18 23:23:49 +0000, Dudley Brooks said:
>
> (High Sierra)
>
> I've found online instructions for creating Smart Folders and for
> modifying their search criteria.

Anything with "Smart" in the title is almost always useless and not
smart in any way.

It's best to avoid them all - that includes "Smart Folders" (Finder and
Mail), "Smart Home" devices, and smart asses in real life or on the
internet (of which you'll no doubt see lots of replies to this saying
how great "Smart" things are).

> I can't find anything about how to delete one. (It's easy to remove it
> from the Sidebar. But it still shows up in the Saved Searches.)
>
> The Delete key does not work, of course -- it doesn't work anywhere in
> Finder, right?
>
> And "right-clicking" (control-clicking) on a Saved Search gives a menud
> that does *not* include "Move to Trash".
>
> I tried deleting all the search criteria. This makes the Saved Search
> return nothing, of course ... but the Saved Search itself is still
> visible in the Saved Searches folder.
>
> It's nothing harmful. But it's irritating to have an unwanted saved
> search sitting there doing nothing ... and infuriating that Apple did
> not provide a way to delete one.

When you saved the Smart Folder / Search, you would have been given a
normal Save dialog window to tell macOS where you wanted to save it and
what name to use. Unless you purposely changed it, the default location
for High Sierra is:

Users -> {your username} -> Library -> Saved Searches

*BUT*
make 120% sure that folder is empty first!!

From experience in Mail, I can tell you that deleting a silly "Smart
Folder" in can ridiculously also delete all the original files from
their various real locations too. Just one of the reasons they're
useless.

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 by: nospam - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 01:09 UTC

In article <sd2ij4$1jod$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> > I've found online instructions for creating Smart Folders and for
> > modifying their search criteria.
>
> Anything with "Smart" in the title is almost always useless and not
> smart in any way.
>
> It's best to avoid them all - that includes "Smart Folders" (Finder and
> Mail), "Smart Home" devices, and smart asses in real life or on the
> internet (of which you'll no doubt see lots of replies to this saying
> how great "Smart" things are).

utter nonsense.

>
> From experience in Mail, I can tell you that deleting a silly "Smart
> Folder" in can ridiculously also delete all the original files from
> their various real locations too. Just one of the reasons they're
> useless.

significant user error.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 02:55 UTC

On 2021-07-19, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> On 2021-07-18 23:23:49 +0000, Dudley Brooks said:
>>
>> (High Sierra)
>>
>> I've found online instructions for creating Smart Folders and for
>> modifying their search criteria.
>
> Anything with "Smart" in the title is almost always useless and not
> smart in any way.

Nonsense. Smart folders are very handy.

Remaining drivel rightfully ignored.

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 by: Dudley Brooks - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 09:30 UTC

On 7/18/21 7:55 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

> On 2021-07-19, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

>> On 2021-07-18 23:23:49 +0000, Dudley Brooks said:
>>>
>>> (High Sierra)
>>>
>>> I've found online instructions for creating Smart Folders and for
>>> modifying their search criteria.
>>
>> Anything with "Smart" in the title is almost always useless and not
>> smart in any way.
>
> Nonsense. Smart folders are very handy.
>
> Remaining drivel rightfully ignored.

Hi. I don't mean to be rude, but ...

(1) An interesting conversation among the three of you ... but ...

(2) Yes, I know that they are found in ~/Library/Saved Searches. As I
said in my original post, [after trying to delete them] "... the Saved
Search itself is still visible in the Saved Searches folder."
[Apologies, Jolly Roger. I guess I didn't make it clear that that's
what I was referring to.]

(3) Could someone please answer my actual question: How do I *get rid*
of one of them? They don't seem to be deletable.

Thanks.

--
Dudley Brooks, Artistic Director
Run For Your Life! ... it's a dance company!
San Francisco

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 by: Dudley Brooks - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 09:40 UTC

On 7/19/21 2:30 AM, Dudley Brooks wrote:

> On 7/18/21 7:55 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> On 2021-07-19, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>>> On 2021-07-18 23:23:49 +0000, Dudley Brooks said:
>>>>
>>>> (High Sierra)
>>>>
>>>> I've found online instructions for creating Smart Folders and for
>>>> modifying their search criteria.
>>>
>>> Anything with "Smart" in the title is almost always useless and not
>>> smart in any way.
>>
>> Nonsense. Smart folders are very handy.
>>
>> Remaining drivel rightfully ignored.
>
> Hi.  I don't mean to be rude, but ...
>
> (1) An interesting conversation among the three of you ... but ...
>
> (2) Yes, I know that they are found in ~/Library/Saved Searches.  As I
> said in my original post, [after trying to delete them] "... the Saved
> Search itself is still visible in the Saved Searches folder."
> [Apologies, Jolly Roger.  I guess I didn't make it clear that that's
> what I was referring to.]
>
> (3) Could someone please answer my actual question:  How do I *get rid*
> of one of them?  They don't seem to be deletable.
>
> Thanks.

Hmm ... Well, the most obvious and simple way works ... drag them into
Trash!
--
Dudley Brooks, Artistic Director
Run For Your Life! ... it's a dance company!
San Francisco

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 by: Lewis - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:06 UTC

In message <iljuh4F9orfU1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2021-07-18, Dudley Brooks <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:
>> (High Sierra)
>>
>> I've found online instructions for creating Smart Folders and for
>> modifying their search criteria.
>>
>> I can't find anything about how to delete one. (It's easy to remove it
>> from the Sidebar. But it still shows up in the Saved Searches.)
>>
>> The Delete key does not work, of course -- it doesn't work anywhere in
>> Finder, right?
>>
>> And "right-clicking" (control-clicking) on a Saved Search gives a menud
>> that does *not* include "Move to Trash".
>>
>> I tried deleting all the search criteria. This makes the Saved Search
>> return nothing, of course ... but the Saved Search itself is still
>> visible in the Saved Searches folder.
>>
>> It's nothing harmful. But it's irritating to have an unwanted saved
>> search sitting there doing nothing ... and infuriating that Apple did
>> not provide a way to delete one.

> I believe those are stored in your ~/Library/Saved Searches directory.

R-click on the saved search, "Show in Enclosing Folder", then delete the
file, R-click again and "remove from sidebar" (or empty the trash).

--
She was a dull person, but a sensational invitation to make babies.”

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 by: Lewis - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:19 UTC

In message <sd2ij4$1jod$1@gioia.aioe.org> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> On 2021-07-18 23:23:49 +0000, Dudley Brooks said:
>>
>> (High Sierra)
>>
>> I've found online instructions for creating Smart Folders and for
>> modifying their search criteria.

> Anything with "Smart" in the title is almost always useless and not
> smart in any way.

Completely untrue.

> It's best to avoid them all - that includes "Smart Folders" (Finder and
> Mail)

Smart folders in Mail are the only way I sort my mail anymore. Smart
folders in Music (née iTunes) are the only way I organize my music. I
have a couple of smart folders in the Finder that I have used for years.

For example:

Kind is PDF
ANY of the following:
Date Created is within last [30] days
Date Modified is within last [30] days

Very useful.

> When you saved the Smart Folder / Search, you would have been given a
> normal Save dialog window to tell macOS where you wanted to save it and
> what name to use. Unless you purposely changed it, the default location
> for High Sierra is:

> Users -> {your username} -> Library -> Saved Searches

> *BUT*
> make 120% sure that folder is empty first!!

Do not bother deleting the folder, you can simply delete the files you
no longer want.

> From experience in Mail, I can tell you that deleting a silly "Smart
> Folder" in can ridiculously also delete all the original files from
> their various real locations too.

Absolute bullshit. I create and delete smart folders in Mail all the
time, and have for about a decade. Deleting a smart folder never deletes
the files. It's not even possible for it to delete the files since the
smart folder is a search query file which contains nothing but the
query. Deleting it cannot possibly delete anything but the query. You
have a PEBKAC error.

--
Why is it so damn hot in here, and why are we all in a handbasket?

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 by: Lewis - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:22 UTC

In message <sd3go7$7ss$1@dont-email.me> Dudley Brooks <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:
> On 7/18/21 7:55 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> On 2021-07-19, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

>>> On 2021-07-18 23:23:49 +0000, Dudley Brooks said:
>>>>
>>>> (High Sierra)
>>>>
>>>> I've found online instructions for creating Smart Folders and for
>>>> modifying their search criteria.
>>>
>>> Anything with "Smart" in the title is almost always useless and not
>>> smart in any way.
>>
>> Nonsense. Smart folders are very handy.
>>
>> Remaining drivel rightfully ignored.

> Hi. I don't mean to be rude, but ...

> (1) An interesting conversation among the three of you ... but ...

> (2) Yes, I know that they are found in ~/Library/Saved Searches. As I
> said in my original post, [after trying to delete them] "... the Saved
> Search itself is still visible in the Saved Searches folder."

Moving them to the trash does not delete them, it simply moves them to
the trash, Either actually DELETE them (⌥⌘-Delete), or empty your trash.

--
Grow a pair of tits, Coldwater.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 16:07 UTC

On 2021-07-19, Dudley Brooks <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:
> On 7/19/21 2:30 AM, Dudley Brooks wrote:
>
>> On 7/18/21 7:55 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-07-19, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On 2021-07-18 23:23:49 +0000, Dudley Brooks said:
>>>>>
>>>>> (High Sierra)
>>>>>
>>>>> I've found online instructions for creating Smart Folders and for
>>>>> modifying their search criteria.
>>>>
>>>> Anything with "Smart" in the title is almost always useless and not
>>>> smart in any way.
>>>
>>> Nonsense. Smart folders are very handy.
>>>
>>> Remaining drivel rightfully ignored.
>>
>> Hi.  I don't mean to be rude, but ...
>>
>> (1) An interesting conversation among the three of you ... but ...
>>
>> (2) Yes, I know that they are found in ~/Library/Saved Searches.  As I
>> said in my original post, [after trying to delete them] "... the Saved
>> Search itself is still visible in the Saved Searches folder."
>> [Apologies, Jolly Roger.  I guess I didn't make it clear that that's
>> what I was referring to.]
>>
>> (3) Could someone please answer my actual question:  How do I *get rid*
>> of one of them?  They don't seem to be deletable.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> Hmm ... Well, the most obvious and simple way works ... drag them into
> Trash!

That's what I was alluding to, yes. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

--
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JR

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 by: Jolly Roger - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 16:10 UTC

On 2021-07-19, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> In message <sd2ij4$1jod$1@gioia.aioe.org> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>> From experience in Mail, I can tell you that deleting a silly "Smart
>> Folder" in can ridiculously also delete all the original files from
>> their various real locations too.
>
> Absolute bullshit. I create and delete smart folders in Mail all the
> time, and have for about a decade. Deleting a smart folder never deletes
> the files.

Same here, for the same amount of time or longer.

As usual Your Name is full of it.

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 by: Dudley Brooks - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 18:22 UTC

On 7/19/21 8:06 AM, Lewis wrote:

> In message <iljuh4F9orfU1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>> On 2021-07-18, Dudley Brooks <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:

>>> (High Sierra)
>>>
>>> I've found online instructions for creating Smart Folders and for
>>> modifying their search criteria.
>>>
>>> I can't find anything about how to delete one. (It's easy to remove it
>>> from the Sidebar. But it still shows up in the Saved Searches.)
>>>
>>> The Delete key does not work, of course -- it doesn't work anywhere in
>>> Finder, right?
>>>
>>> And "right-clicking" (control-clicking) on a Saved Search gives a menud
>>> that does *not* include "Move to Trash".
>>>
>>> I tried deleting all the search criteria. This makes the Saved Search
>>> return nothing, of course ... but the Saved Search itself is still
>>> visible in the Saved Searches folder.
>>>
>>> It's nothing harmful. But it's irritating to have an unwanted saved
>>> search sitting there doing nothing ... and infuriating that Apple did
>>> not provide a way to delete one.
>
>> I believe those are stored in your ~/Library/Saved Searches directory.
>
> R-click on the saved search, "Show in Enclosing Folder", then delete the
> file, R-click again and "remove from sidebar" (or empty the trash).

Right. Exactly what I did ... except ... "delete the file" was the hard
part, which I was asking how to do. The usual methods -- those that I
remembered -- didn't work. Ctrl-click brought up a menu which did not
include Move to Trash.

Of course, I had forgotten (late at night?) the *most* usual method ...
simply dragging it to Trash! <embarrassed>

--
Dudley Brooks, Artistic Director
Run For Your Life! ... it's a dance company!
San Francisco

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On 7/19/21 9:07 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2021-07-19, Dudley Brooks <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:
>> On 7/19/21 2:30 AM, Dudley Brooks wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/18/21 7:55 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-07-19, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On 2021-07-18 23:23:49 +0000, Dudley Brooks said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (High Sierra)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've found online instructions for creating Smart Folders and for
>>>>>> modifying their search criteria.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anything with "Smart" in the title is almost always useless and not
>>>>> smart in any way.
>>>>
>>>> Nonsense. Smart folders are very handy.
>>>>
>>>> Remaining drivel rightfully ignored.
>>>
>>> Hi.  I don't mean to be rude, but ...
>>>
>>> (1) An interesting conversation among the three of you ... but ...
>>>
>>> (2) Yes, I know that they are found in ~/Library/Saved Searches.  As I
>>> said in my original post, [after trying to delete them] "... the Saved
>>> Search itself is still visible in the Saved Searches folder."
>>> [Apologies, Jolly Roger.  I guess I didn't make it clear that that's
>>> what I was referring to.]
>>>
>>> (3) Could someone please answer my actual question:  How do I *get rid*
>>> of one of them?  They don't seem to be deletable.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> Hmm ... Well, the most obvious and simple way works ... drag them into
>> Trash!
>
> That's what I was alluding to, yes. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

That's OK -- I don't expect anyone to have to anticipate my
stupidity/absent-mindedness/late-night confusion! ;^)

--
Dudley Brooks, Artistic Director
Run For Your Life! ... it's a dance company!
San Francisco

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 by: Dudley Brooks - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 18:32 UTC

On 7/19/21 8:22 AM, Lewis wrote:

> In message <sd3go7$7ss$1@dont-email.me> Dudley Brooks <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:
> >> On 7/18/21 7:55 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> On 2021-07-19, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>>>> On 2021-07-18 23:23:49 +0000, Dudley Brooks said:
>>>>>
>>>>> (High Sierra)
>>>>>
>>>>> I've found online instructions for creating Smart Folders and for
>>>>> modifying their search criteria.
>>>>
>>>> Anything with "Smart" in the title is almost always useless and not
>>>> smart in any way.
>>>
>>> Nonsense. Smart folders are very handy.
>>>
>>> Remaining drivel rightfully ignored.
>
>> Hi. I don't mean to be rude, but ...
>
>> (1) An interesting conversation among the three of you ... but ...
>
>> (2) Yes, I know that they are found in ~/Library/Saved Searches. As I
>> said in my original post, [after trying to delete them] "... the Saved
>> Search itself is still visible in the Saved Searches folder."
>
> Moving them to the trash does not delete them, it simply moves them to
> the trash, Either actually DELETE them (⌥⌘-Delete), or empty your trash.

Yes, I knew that moving to trash is not the same as completely deleting.
What I did *not* know was how to move them to Trash! (I was so
exhausted that I forgot that you could simply drag them!)

But what I *never* knew, after all the years of using a Mac, was using
⌥⌘-Delete to delete them. Learn something new every day!

--
Dudley Brooks, Artistic Director
Run For Your Life! ... it's a dance company!
San Francisco

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 by: Dudley Brooks - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 18:41 UTC

On 7/19/21 8:19 AM, Lewis wrote:

> In message <sd2ij4$1jod$1@gioia.aioe.org> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-07-18 23:23:49 +0000, Dudley Brooks said:
>>>
>>> (High Sierra)
>>>
>>> I've found online instructions for creating Smart Folders and for
>>> modifying their search criteria.
>
>> Anything with "Smart" in the title is almost always useless and not
>> smart in any way.
>
> Completely untrue.
>
>> It's best to avoid them all - that includes "Smart Folders" (Finder and
>> Mail)
>
> Smart folders in Mail are the only way I sort my mail anymore. Smart
> folders in Music (née iTunes) are the only way I organize my music. I
> have a couple of smart folders in the Finder that I have used for years.
>
> For example:
>
> Kind is PDF
> ANY of the following:
> Date Created is within last [30] days
> Date Modified is within last [30] days
>
> Very useful.
>
>> When you saved the Smart Folder / Search, you would have been given a
>> normal Save dialog window to tell macOS where you wanted to save it and
>> what name to use. Unless you purposely changed it, the default location
>> for High Sierra is:
>
>> Users -> {your username} -> Library -> Saved Searches
>
>> *BUT*
>> make 120% sure that folder is empty first!!
>
> Do not bother deleting the folder, you can simply delete the files you
> no longer want.
>
>> From experience in Mail, I can tell you that deleting a silly "Smart
>> Folder" in can ridiculously also delete all the original files from
>> their various real locations too.
>
> Absolute bullshit. I create and delete smart folders in Mail all the
> time, and have for about a decade. Deleting a smart folder never deletes
> the files. It's not even possible for it to delete the files since the
> smart folder is a search query file which contains nothing but the
> query. Deleting it cannot possibly delete anything but the query. You
> have a PEBKAC error.

Thank you for introducing me to a great new term! ;^)

A question: I don't use (Mac) Mail -- I use Mozilla Thunderbird. In TB
I discovered that smart folders (or whatever TB calls them) slow the
program down tremendously, at least when there got to be as many smart
folders as I needed. I got the impression that the smart folders have
to recalculate their search results every time you look at them. So I
wrote filters instead.

Are smart folders in Mail more efficient/quick? Or is the reason that
the TB smart filters had to constantly re-update because I have an IMAP
account, and the same would be true in Mail?

--
Dudley Brooks, Artistic Director
Run For Your Life! ... it's a dance company!
San Francisco

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In article <sd4h0v$nsu$1@dont-email.me>, Dudley Brooks
<dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:

>
> A question: I don't use (Mac) Mail -- I use Mozilla Thunderbird. In TB
> I discovered that smart folders (or whatever TB calls them) slow the
> program down tremendously, at least when there got to be as many smart
> folders as I needed. I got the impression that the smart folders have
> to recalculate their search results every time you look at them. So I
> wrote filters instead.
>
> Are smart folders in Mail more efficient/quick?

hell yes.

> Or is the reason that
> the TB smart filters had to constantly re-update because I have an IMAP
> account, and the same would be true in Mail?

no, it's because the authors of thunderbird have no idea what they're
doing nor do they care about fixing any of its bugs, which they aren't
even qualified to do even if they wanted to.

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 by: Dudley Brooks - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:03 UTC

On 7/19/21 11:26 AM, Dudley Brooks wrote:

> On 7/19/21 9:07 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> On 2021-07-19, Dudley Brooks <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/19/21 2:30 AM, Dudley Brooks wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/18/21 7:55 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-07-19, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021-07-18 23:23:49 +0000, Dudley Brooks said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (High Sierra)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've found online instructions for creating Smart Folders and for
>>>>>>> modifying their search criteria.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anything with "Smart" in the title is almost always useless and not
>>>>>> smart in any way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nonsense. Smart folders are very handy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Remaining drivel rightfully ignored.
>>>>
>>>> Hi.  I don't mean to be rude, but ...
>>>>
>>>> (1) An interesting conversation among the three of you ... but ...
>>>>
>>>> (2) Yes, I know that they are found in ~/Library/Saved Searches.  As I
>>>> said in my original post, [after trying to delete them] "... the Saved
>>>> Search itself is still visible in the Saved Searches folder."
>>>> [Apologies, Jolly Roger.  I guess I didn't make it clear that that's
>>>> what I was referring to.]
>>>>
>>>> (3) Could someone please answer my actual question:  How do I *get rid*
>>>> of one of them?  They don't seem to be deletable.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Hmm ...  Well, the most obvious and simple way works ... drag them into
>>> Trash!
>>
>> That's what I was alluding to, yes. Sorry I didn't make that clear.
>
> That's OK -- I don't expect anyone to have to anticipate my
> stupidity/absent-mindedness/late-night confusion!  ;^)

BTW, I should mention the problem that made me want to delete the
folders in the first place, because I learned something useful about how
to avoid that problem

I had used search criteria like

name:blahblah OR tag:blahblah

When I needed to change a criterion and ctl-clicked on the search and
used Show Search Criteria, it came out as

[ name ] [ matches ] [ blahblah OR tag:blahblah ]

and I couldn't figure out how to get it back to the desired form. So I
wanted to delete the search and simply start over.

But I discovered that the secret is to put parentheses around the search
criteria:

(name:blahblah OR tag:blahblah)

Then Show Search Criteria gives

[ Items matching text ] [ (name:blahblah OR tag:blahblah) ]

and it can easily be modified.

(I hadn't experienced the problem at first, because most of my searches
involved more than one criterion joined by (an implied) AND:

(name:blahblah OR tag:blahblah) (name:foobar OR tag:foobar)

so I was already using parens, of necessity. It was only when I finally
had a *single* OR clause that I did it without parens and experienced
the problem.)

--
Dudley Brooks, Artistic Director
Run For Your Life! ... it's a dance company!
San Francisco

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 by: Dudley Brooks - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:11 UTC

On 7/19/21 12:00 PM, nospam wrote:

> In article <sd4h0v$nsu$1@dont-email.me>, Dudley Brooks
> <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:
>
>> A question: I don't use (Mac) Mail -- I use Mozilla Thunderbird. In TB
>> I discovered that smart folders (or whatever TB calls them) slow the
>> program down tremendously, at least when there got to be as many smart
>> folders as I needed. I got the impression that the smart folders have
>> to recalculate their search results every time you look at them. So I
>> wrote filters instead.
>>
>> Are smart folders in Mail more efficient/quick?
>
> hell yes.
>
>> Or is the reason that
>> the TB smart filters had to constantly re-update because I have an IMAP
>> account, and the same would be true in Mail?
>
> no, it's because the authors of thunderbird have no idea what they're
> doing nor do they care about fixing any of its bugs, which they aren't
> even qualified to do even if they wanted to.

OK, thanks.

I was happy to see that Smart Folders in Finder do not slow things down.

But you know what does slow things down *unbearably* in Finder? Adding
new tags.

Someone once posted that if you remove all tags except one (any one)
from the sidebar, then adding new tags does not cause a slowdown. But
that's not true. Once you have more than a certain number of tags
(granted, a large number), when you add a new tag you have to wait
through literally several minutes of the beachball before you can do
*anything* further in Finder.

--
Dudley Brooks, Artistic Director
Run For Your Life! ... it's a dance company!
San Francisco

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 by: Jolly Roger - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:53 UTC

On 2021-07-19, Dudley Brooks <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:
>
> BTW, I should mention the problem that made me want to delete the
> folders in the first place, because I learned something useful about how
> to avoid that problem
>
> I had used search criteria like
>
> name:blahblah OR tag:blahblah
>
> When I needed to change a criterion and ctl-clicked on the search and
> used Show Search Criteria, it came out as
>
> [ name ] [ matches ] [ blahblah OR tag:blahblah ]
>
> and I couldn't figure out how to get it back to the desired form. So I
> wanted to delete the search and simply start over.
>
> But I discovered that the secret is to put parentheses around the search
> criteria:
>
> (name:blahblah OR tag:blahblah)
>
> Then Show Search Criteria gives
>
> [ Items matching text ] [ (name:blahblah OR tag:blahblah) ]
>
> and it can easily be modified.
>
> (I hadn't experienced the problem at first, because most of my searches
> involved more than one criterion joined by (an implied) AND:
>
> (name:blahblah OR tag:blahblah) (name:foobar OR tag:foobar)
>
> so I was already using parens, of necessity. It was only when I finally
> had a *single* OR clause that I did it without parens and experienced
> the problem.)

That's good info. Thanks for posting it!

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 by: Jolly Roger - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:55 UTC

On 2021-07-19, Dudley Brooks <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:
> On 7/19/21 8:22 AM, Lewis wrote:
>>
>> Moving them to the trash does not delete them, it simply moves them to
>> the trash, Either actually DELETE them (⌥⌘-Delete), or empty your trash.
>
> Yes, I knew that moving to trash is not the same as completely deleting.
> What I did *not* know was how to move them to Trash! (I was so
> exhausted that I forgot that you could simply drag them!)

It's annoying that Apple didn't see fit to include a "Delete" in the
contextual menu. Hopefully, they'll fix that omission in a future
update.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:57 UTC

On 2021-07-19, Dudley Brooks <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:
>
> A question: I don't use (Mac) Mail -- I use Mozilla Thunderbird. In TB
> I discovered that smart folders (or whatever TB calls them) slow the
> program down tremendously, at least when there got to be as many smart
> folders as I needed. I got the impression that the smart folders have
> to recalculate their search results every time you look at them. So I
> wrote filters instead.
>
> Are smart folders in Mail more efficient/quick? Or is the reason that
> the TB smart filters had to constantly re-update because I have an IMAP
> account, and the same would be true in Mail?

I use several smart folders in Apple Mail through several macOS releases
on multiple Mac models over the years, and have never seen any
performance issues related to them. They tend to just work for me.

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From: g.kr...@kreme.dont-email.me (Lewis)
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Subject: Re: Delete a Smart Folder / Saved Search?
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 by: Lewis - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 20:16 UTC

In message <sd4iol$4nh$1@dont-email.me> Dudley Brooks <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:
> But you know what does slow things down *unbearably* in Finder? Adding
> new tags.

I'm not a big user of tags, but I do use them. I have not noticed this.

> Someone once posted that if you remove all tags except one (any one)
> from the sidebar, then adding new tags does not cause a slowdown. But
> that's not true. Once you have more than a certain number of tags
> (granted, a large number), when you add a new tag you have to wait
> through literally several minutes of the beachball before you can do
> *anything* further in Finder.

Oh no, nothing like that. I just clikced on all the tags in the idebar
and the list of items populated immediately. I tagged an item in the
finder and it showed up in the list of that tag immediately. No delay at
all.

--
Today I was... no, wait, that wasn't me.

Re: Delete a Smart Folder / Saved Search?

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From: dbro...@runforyourlife.org (Dudley Brooks)
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 by: Dudley Brooks - Fri, 23 Jul 2021 19:16 UTC

On 7/19/21 12:57 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

> On 2021-07-19, Dudley Brooks <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:
>>
>> A question: I don't use (Mac) Mail -- I use Mozilla Thunderbird. In TB
>> I discovered that smart folders (or whatever TB calls them) slow the
>> program down tremendously, at least when there got to be as many smart
>> folders as I needed. I got the impression that the smart folders have
>> to recalculate their search results every time you look at them. So I
>> wrote filters instead.
>>
>> Are smart folders in Mail more efficient/quick? Or is the reason that
>> the TB smart filters had to constantly re-update because I have an IMAP
>> account, and the same would be true in Mail?
>
> I use several smart folders in Apple Mail through several macOS releases
> on multiple Mac models over the years, and have never seen any
> performance issues related to them. They tend to just work for me.

Thanks!

I'm still using Thunderbird instead of Mail, for many reasons ... not
least of which is that I have spend a lot of time configuring it over
the years and would have to spend a lot of time getting Mail similarly
configured (if it's possible).

But in case I ever decide to try something different, it's good to know
that there would not be problems with smart folders in Mail.

--
Dudley Brooks, Artistic Director
Run For Your Life! ... it's a dance company!
San Francisco

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 by: Dudley Brooks - Fri, 23 Jul 2021 19:18 UTC

On 7/19/21 12:53 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

> On 2021-07-19, Dudley Brooks <dbrooks@runforyourlife.org> wrote:
>>
>> BTW, I should mention the problem that made me want to delete the
>> folders in the first place, because I learned something useful about how
>> to avoid that problem
>>
>> I had used search criteria like
>>
>> name:blahblah OR tag:blahblah
>>
>> When I needed to change a criterion and ctl-clicked on the search and
>> used Show Search Criteria, it came out as
>>
>> [ name ] [ matches ] [ blahblah OR tag:blahblah ]
>>
>> and I couldn't figure out how to get it back to the desired form. So I
>> wanted to delete the search and simply start over.
>>
>> But I discovered that the secret is to put parentheses around the search
>> criteria:
>>
>> (name:blahblah OR tag:blahblah)
>>
>> Then Show Search Criteria gives
>>
>> [ Items matching text ] [ (name:blahblah OR tag:blahblah) ]
>>
>> and it can easily be modified.
>>
>> (I hadn't experienced the problem at first, because most of my searches
>> involved more than one criterion joined by (an implied) AND:
>>
>> (name:blahblah OR tag:blahblah) (name:foobar OR tag:foobar)
>>
>> so I was already using parens, of necessity. It was only when I finally
>> had a *single* OR clause that I did it without parens and experienced
>> the problem.)
>
> That's good info. Thanks for posting it!

You're welcome! Glad to be of (future) help.

--
Dudley Brooks, Artistic Director
Run For Your Life! ... it's a dance company!
San Francisco

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