Keep on getting Google pop-ups says one account all of Googel and to
sign with my Google acc. Can't fine the source. I've deleted anything I
can find that says Google. I have 'you tube tv' and that has no problem.
It only occurs on the PC.. TIA

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 13:10:31 -0700, Mellowed <nospam@spam.net> wrote:

>Keep on getting Google pop-ups says one account all of Googel and to
>sign with my Google acc. Can't fine the source. I've deleted anything I
>can find that says Google. I have 'you tube tv' and that has no problem.
>It only occurs on the PC.. TIA

Obvious question. Did you search through your registry for 'Google'?

On 4/10/2022 1:26 PM, harry@invalid.com wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 13:10:31 -0700, Mellowed <nospam@spam.net> wrote:
>
>> Keep on getting Google pop-ups says one account all of Googel and to
>> sign with my Google acc. Can't fine the source. I've deleted anything I
>> can find that says Google. I have 'you tube tv' and that has no problem.
>> It only occurs on the PC.. TIA
>
> Obvious question. Did you search through your registry for 'Google'?
>
>
No, Not the Registry. I'm a novice and afraid of really screwing things up.

On 4/10/2022 4:31 PM, Mellowed wrote:
> On 4/10/2022 1:26 PM, harry@invalid.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 13:10:31 -0700, Mellowed <nospam@spam.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Keep on getting Google pop-ups says one account all of Googel and to
>>> sign with my Google acc. Can't fine the source. I've deleted anything I
>>> can find that says Google. I have 'you tube tv' and that has no problem.
>>> It only occurs on the PC.. TIA
>>
>> Obvious question.  Did you search through your registry for 'Google'?
>>
>>
> No, Not the Registry. I'm a novice and afraid of really screwing things up.

To start with, Outlook is running right now, and the popup
is part of Outlook attempting authentication.

Start off by using Task Manager and reviewing exactly how
many browsers and Mail Tools are currently running.

The popup could be coming from one of them.

The popup in question, is a Google login box as far as I know.
These things don't draw themselves. They take HTML/JS code
to make that dialog, and that's a browser or the browser_engine
inside a Mail tool.

https://storage.googleapis.com/support-forums-api/attachment/thread-27281814-9906040073639933225.PNG

What's funny, is I've read three fucking threads already, and
nobody seems to be the least interested in what win32 or App.crap
is running on their machine to make the dialogs. (The helpers simply
assume that if the users bow-down to the dialog, it will be fixed,
which is ridiculous.) All the answers have involved inserting
square pegs in round holes.

A developer could install a service which runs in the background,
and then annoys a user repeatedly. You can do that. Malwares
are really good at that. In some cases, the "authentic looking"
login box is actually attempting to get you to type your password
so they can hijack your account.

You don't type credentials into boxes of unknown origin.
You know this. That's why we have to hunt this thing down
first, and stop it. Then, if starting Outlook a second time
results in the dialog appearing, we know it's Oauth2 or
whatever passes for an authentication stack.

And you know that the customer-service missing from Google,
you're not going to get any help straightening out corrupted
tokens or the like.

But finding the punk doing this, that's your immediate concern.
Like, stopping Outlook should make it stop, right ?

Paul

On 4/10/2022 4:37 PM, Paul wrote:
> On 4/10/2022 4:31 PM, Mellowed wrote:
>> On 4/10/2022 1:26 PM, harry@invalid.com wrote:
>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 13:10:31 -0700, Mellowed <nospam@spam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Keep on getting Google pop-ups says one account all of Googel and to
>>>> sign with my Google acc. Can't fine the source. I've deleted anything I
>>>> can find that says Google. I have 'you tube tv' and that has no
>>>> problem.
>>>> It only occurs on the PC.. TIA
>>>
>>> Obvious question.  Did you search through your registry for 'Google'?
>>>
>>>
>> No, Not the Registry. I'm a novice and afraid of really screwing
>> things up.
>
> To start with, Outlook is running right now, and the popup
> is part of Outlook attempting authentication.
>
> Start off by using Task Manager and reviewing exactly how
> many browsers and Mail Tools are currently running.
>
> The popup could be coming from one of them.
>
> The popup in question, is a Google login box as far as I know.
> These things don't draw themselves. They take HTML/JS code
> to make that dialog, and that's a browser or the browser_engine
> inside a Mail tool.
>
> https://storage.googleapis.com/support-forums-api/attachment/thread-27281814-9906040073639933225.PNG
>
>
> What's funny, is I've read three fucking threads already, and
> nobody seems to be the least interested in what win32 or App.crap
> is running on their machine to make the dialogs. (The helpers simply
> assume that if the users bow-down to the dialog, it will be fixed,
> which is ridiculous.) All the answers have involved inserting
> square pegs in round holes.
>
> A developer could install a service which runs in the background,
> and then annoys a user repeatedly. You can do that. Malwares
> are really good at that. In  some cases, the "authentic looking"
> login box is actually attempting to get you to type your password
> so they can hijack your account.
>
> You don't type credentials into boxes of unknown origin.
> You know this. That's why we have to hunt this thing down
> first, and stop it. Then, if starting Outlook a second time
> results in the dialog appearing, we know it's Oauth2 or
> whatever passes for an authentication stack.
>
> And you know that the customer-service missing from Google,
> you're not going to get any help straightening out corrupted
> tokens or the like.
>
> But finding the punk doing this, that's your immediate concern.
> Like, stopping Outlook should make it stop, right ?
>
>     Paul
Thank you for the knowledgeable comments. I should have provided
additional information.
I'm using Firefox and Thunderbird. Haven't used Outlook for many years.
Started playing with Mailbird on my laptop. But not on the PC. Never
crossed my mind that it might just be Malware. I'll run the program by
that name and see if anything comes of it.

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 13:10:31 -0700, Mellowed wrote:

> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101
> Thunderbird/91.8.0

> Keep on getting Google pop-ups says one account all of Googel and to
> sign with my Google acc. Can't fine the source. I've deleted anything I
> can find that says Google. I have 'you tube tv' and that has no problem.
> It only occurs on the PC.. TIA

Is this when your Thunderbird 91.8.0 tries to check for email in Gmail?

If you use Thunderbird with Gmail and you had not previously set
'Authentication method' to OAuth2 in TBird's Gmail server settings,
then that could be the source.

As of May 30th, Google/Gmail will no longer support the use email programs
which user your main Google account password to log into Gmail [1].

To allow Thunderbird to keep working with Gmail after May 30th,
Thunderbird 91.8.0 converts Gmail accounts to OAuth 2.0 [2][3].

The first time one uses OAuth2, it needs to get an OAuth2 authentication
"token". It does this by opening a pop-up Google web page which you have
to sign in to.

Once you get the OAuth2 authentication token, it is saved in Thunderbird's
Password Manager and you are not asked again.

____
REFERENCES

[1] Google Account Help: Less secure apps & your Google Account
<https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en#zippy=%2Cif-less-secure-app-access-is-off-for-your-account>

[2] Automatic Conversion of Google mail accounts to oAuth2.0 Authentication
<https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/automatic-conversion-google-mail-accounts-oauth20>

[3] Also refer to "Changes" in the Thunderbird 91.8.0 release notes.
<https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/91.8.0/releasenotes/>

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In message <t2vdjs$rrb$1@dont-email.me>, Mellowed <nospam@spam.net>
writes
>Keep on getting Google pop-ups says one account all of Googel and to
>sign with my Google acc. Can't fine the source. I've deleted anything I
>can find that says Google. I have 'you tube tv' and that has no
>problem. It only occurs on the PC.. TIA

"One Account to rule them all and in the darkness bind them," as Tolkien
nearly wrote.
--
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"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On 11/04/2022 10:20, John Hall wrote:
>
> In message <t2vdjs$rrb$1@dont-email.me>, Mellowed <nospam@spam.net> writes
>>
>> Keep on getting Google pop-ups says one account all of Googel and to
>> sign with my Google acc. Can't fine the source. I've deleted anything
>> I can find that says Google. I have 'you tube tv' and that has no
>> problem. It only occurs on the PC.. TIA
>
> "One Account to rule them all and in the darkness bind them," as Tolkien
> nearly wrote.

LOL! And how very true!

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On 11/04/2022 08:03, Ralph Fox wrote:
>
> Once you get the OAuth2 authentication token, it is saved in Thunderbird's
> Password Manager and you are not asked again.

ICBW, because the sources you've given below don't give sufficient
detail, but I suspect your description above is not quite correct. My
doubts arise from how OAuth2 accesses the UK Ordnance Survey (the UK's
official government mapping agency) servers to get map tiles. In this
case at least, and I suspect more generally, OAuth2 works like this:

1 My webpage asks my server for a token from UKOS;
2 After ensuring it is my webpage asking, my server sends an
encrypted identity/password pair to UKOS;
3 My server receives back from UKOS a time-limited token (5 mins);
4 My server sends the token back to the webpage as its reply;
5 The webpage then requests map tiles from UKOS using the token;
6 When the token expires, the process above is repeated.

So I suspect that what Thunderbird actually stores is an encrypted
identity/password pair to obtain time-limited OAuth2 tokens from Google.

Note that UKOS, like Google, claim that this is more secure, but really
it's nothing of the sort.

Previously, UKOS map tiles were requested directly by the webpage using
a key in the URL, and the server verified that key used by the webpage
and the webpage's originating domain matched the records on their
server. Now, my server has to check that the webpage requesting a token
is really my webpage. So all that has happened is that a significant
onus of verification has been shifted from the server to the client
system wanting access, and the serving of map-tiles is delayed while
this takes place, making the resulting web-pages significantly slower to
load.

Similarly, these 'less secure apps' still have to store some sort of
encrypted identity/password pair to get a time-limited token from Google
Mail, so again, really, nothing much has changed, except the length of
the analy-retentive obstacle course before Google will allow you to read
your own mail, sometime after they themselves have made a farcical
mockery of the entire system anyway by reading all your allegedly
'private' mails for their own financial advantage!

> ____
> REFERENCES
>
> [1] Google Account Help: Less secure apps & your Google Account
> <https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en#zippy=%2Cif-less-secure-app-access-is-off-for-your-account>
>
> [2] Automatic Conversion of Google mail accounts to oAuth2.0 Authentication
> <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/automatic-conversion-google-mail-accounts-oauth20>
>
> [3] Also refer to "Changes" in the Thunderbird 91.8.0 release notes.
> <https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/91.8.0/releasenotes/>

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"John Hall" <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote

| "One Account to rule them all and in the darkness bind them," as Tolkien
| nearly wrote.

:) Yes. Leave it to a Brit to write with such timeless elegance.

Except that in our world we have multiple evil lords.
So many websites now invite me to log in with Google or
Facebook. And I think I've seen an Apple login. We're coming
full circle to the AOL shopping mall world of the early Internet.
But this time the shopping mall and services will come
to you as your cellphone tells them your GPS coordinates.

I remember the first time I tried a friend's computer. I'd
heard about the famous Internet. I logged into AOL and got
a popup: "Would you like a new credit card? | Yes | Ask me later"
Huh? I clearly wasn't in Kansas anymore. What was this place?
Didn't they know that was a dishonest, sleazy question? Was
this some kind of electronic analog of a flim flam, Miracle Mile
joint? Should I have brought condoms and a chain for my wallet?

I had to ask a techie friend where the Internet was. Was
this odd, greasy, e-shopping mall the whole thing? He explained
how to sneak out the back door of AOL. That door may be locked
in the future. We might have to specify what shopping mall
we refer to. "AcmeCrafts.com? Is that in Facebookia, GoogleTown,
AppleVille, or GatesLand?"

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 at 08:34:17, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
[]
> I remember the first time I tried a friend's computer. I'd
>heard about the famous Internet. I logged into AOL and got
>a popup: "Would you like a new credit card? | Yes | Ask me later"
>Huh? I clearly wasn't in Kansas anymore. What was this place?

No, more likely .ru or .cn (-:

>Didn't they know that was a dishonest, sleazy question? Was
>this some kind of electronic analog of a flim flam, Miracle Mile
>joint? Should I have brought condoms and a chain for my wallet?
>
> I had to ask a techie friend where the Internet was. Was
>this odd, greasy, e-shopping mall the whole thing? He explained
>how to sneak out the back door of AOL. That door may be locked
>in the future. We might have to specify what shopping mall

Locking the emergency exits is still illegal - though I understand from
enough crime series I've seen that plenty of nightclub owners still do
it

>we refer to. "AcmeCrafts.com? Is that in Facebookia, GoogleTown,
>AppleVille, or GatesLand?"
>
(-:
>
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote

| > I remember the first time I tried a friend's computer. I'd
| >heard about the famous Internet. I logged into AOL and got
| >a popup: "Would you like a new credit card? | Yes | Ask me later"
| >Huh? I clearly wasn't in Kansas anymore. What was this place?
| | No, more likely .ru or .cn (-:
|

Maybe you didn't have AOL in Britain. This was long
before there was .ru and .cn. AOL was referred to as a
"walled garden". It was shopping, chat groups, etc. And
every time I logged in I'd be asked about a credit card.
Few people were on the open Internet. You got an AOL
CD, installed it, and logged in. Few people were actually
on the open Internet. Those who were would mostly be
techie types, a few artists, scientists, etc. It was almost
a hippie idealism venue, with people putting up interesting
websites for fun... Widely envisioned as an e version of
the Whole Earth Catalog. (I guess you probably never
saw that, either. I was very much a hippie when I was
young.)

Eventually AOL gave way to the inoration superhighway,
though there were still "portals", like Yahoo. And the ninnies
who wanted to live in a shopping mall could always buy a Mac. :)

On 4/11/2022 12:03 AM, Ralph Fox wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 13:10:31 -0700, Mellowed wrote:
>
>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101
>> Thunderbird/91.8.0
>
>> Keep on getting Google pop-ups says one account all of Googel and to
>> sign with my Google acc. Can't fine the source. I've deleted anything I
>> can find that says Google. I have 'you tube tv' and that has no problem.
>> It only occurs on the PC.. TIA
>
>
> Is this when your Thunderbird 91.8.0 tries to check for email in Gmail?
>
> If you use Thunderbird with Gmail and you had not previously set
> 'Authentication method' to OAuth2 in TBird's Gmail server settings,
> then that could be the source.
>
>
> As of May 30th, Google/Gmail will no longer support the use email programs
> which user your main Google account password to log into Gmail [1].
>
> To allow Thunderbird to keep working with Gmail after May 30th,
> Thunderbird 91.8.0 converts Gmail accounts to OAuth 2.0 [2][3].
>
> The first time one uses OAuth2, it needs to get an OAuth2 authentication
> "token". It does this by opening a pop-up Google web page which you have
> to sign in to.
>
> Once you get the OAuth2 authentication token, it is saved in Thunderbird's
> Password Manager and you are not asked again.
>
>
> ____
> REFERENCES
>
> [1] Google Account Help: Less secure apps & your Google Account
> <https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en#zippy=%2Cif-less-secure-app-access-is-off-for-your-account>
>
> [2] Automatic Conversion of Google mail accounts to oAuth2.0 Authentication
> <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/automatic-conversion-google-mail-accounts-oauth20>
>
> [3] Also refer to "Changes" in the Thunderbird 91.8.0 release notes.
> <https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/91.8.0/releasenotes/>
>
>
These Google pop-ups show up even when no apps are running. I only have
the desktop. Nothing else.
There must be something buried and running to cause the pop-up.
The question is How can I find this Gremlin?

Oops ...

On 11/04/2022 13:17, Java Jive wrote:
>
> On 11/04/2022 08:03, Ralph Fox wrote:
>>
>> Once you get the OAuth2 authentication token, it is saved in
>> Thunderbird's
>> Password Manager and you are not asked again.
>
> ICBW, because the sources you've given below don't give sufficient
> detail, but I suspect your description above is not quite correct.  My
> doubts arise from how OAuth2 accesses the UK Ordnance Survey (the UK's
> official government mapping agency) servers to get map tiles.  In this
> case at least, and I suspect more generally, OAuth2 works like this:
>
>   1  My webpage asks my server for a token from UKOS;
>   2  After ensuring it is my webpage asking, my server sends an
> encrypted identity/password pair to UKOS;
>   3  My server receives back from UKOS a time-limited token (5 mins);
>   4  My server sends the token back to the webpage as its reply;
>   5  The webpage then requests map tiles from UKOS using the token;
>   6  When the token expires, the process above is repeated.
>
> So I suspect that what Thunderbird actually stores is an encrypted
> identity/password pair to obtain time-limited OAuth2 tokens from Google.
>
> Note that UKOS, like Google, claim that this is more secure, but really
> it's nothing of the sort.
>
> Previously, UKOS map tiles were requested directly by the webpage using
> a key in the URL, and the server verified that key used by the webpage
> and the webpage's originating domain matched the records on their
> server.  Now, my server has to check that the webpage requesting a token
> is really my webpage.  So all that has happened is that a significant
> onus of verification has been shifted from the server to the client
> system wanting access, and the serving of map-tiles is delayed while
> this takes place, making the resulting web-pages significantly slower to
> load.
>
> Similarly, these

'more secure apps'

> still have to store some sort of
> encrypted identity/password pair to get a time-limited token from Google
> Mail, so again, really, nothing much has changed, except the length of
> the analy-retentive obstacle course before Google will allow you to read
> your own mail, sometime after they themselves have made a farcical
> mockery of the entire system anyway by reading all your allegedly
> 'private' mails for their own financial advantage!
>
>> ____
>> REFERENCES
>>
>> [1]  Google Account Help:  Less secure apps & your Google Account
>>
>> <https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en#zippy=%2Cif-less-secure-app-access-is-off-for-your-account>
>>
>>
>> [2]  Automatic Conversion of Google mail accounts to oAuth2.0
>> Authentication
>>
>> <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/automatic-conversion-google-mail-accounts-oauth20>
>>
>>
>> [3]  Also refer to "Changes" in the Thunderbird 91.8.0 release notes.
>>
>> <https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/91.8.0/releasenotes/>
>

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On 11/04/2022 16:05, Mellowed wrote:
>
> On 4/11/2022 12:03 AM, Ralph Fox wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 13:10:31 -0700, Mellowed wrote:
>>>
>>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0)
>>> Gecko/20100101
>>>   Thunderbird/91.8.0
>>>
>>> Keep on getting Google pop-ups says one account all of Googel and to
>>> sign with my Google acc. Can't fine the source. I've deleted anything I
>>> can find that says Google. I have 'you tube tv' and that has no problem.
>>> It only occurs on the PC.. TIA
>>
>> Is this when your Thunderbird 91.8.0 tries to check for email in Gmail?
>
> These Google pop-ups show up even when no apps are running. I only have
> the desktop. Nothing else.
> There must be something buried and running to cause the pop-up.
> The question is How can I find this Gremlin?

There are various tools you can use, probably the simplest being
Computer Management and Task Manager ...

To start Computer Management, bring up a 'Run' dialog as an
Administrator, type in 'mmc', then press <Enter> or click <OK>. Use the
File Menu to navigate to ...
%WinDir%\System32
.... and load 'compmgmt.msc'.

In the Computer Management console, expand ...
Services and Applications
.... and click on ...
Services

Look down the list of services for anything related to Google,
<rt-click> it, and disable it.

Also, while you have Computer Management open, look in the System Tools,
Task Scheduler section, look for Google items there, and disable any
that you find.

Additionally or alternatively ...

Start Task Manager as an Administrator, click the 'Processes' tab,
select 'Show processes from all users', and click 'Image name'. Drag
the top and the bottom of its window borders to extend it as much as
possible, and drag the RHS out to allow the columns to be expanded
sufficiently to show all relevant detail.

It may be that just reading the list of running processes will suggest a
likely culprit, but if you can't spot anything obvious, then you will
have to be more systematic, but we won't go into such detail just yet.
Try the above first, and report what you find back here.

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On 4/11/2022 11:05 AM, Mellowed wrote:

> These Google pop-ups show up even when no apps are running. I only have the desktop. Nothing else.
> There must be something buried and running to cause the pop-up.
> The question is How can I find this Gremlin?

You could try procmon (Process Monitor).

At the bottom here, it says "Windows 8.1 or higher", so as usual,
it's being pushed into the stratosphere for no good reason. You would
need an older release.

"Process Monitor v3.89"

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/procmon

This might work on Win7.

"Process Monitor v3.33"

https://web.archive.org/web/20170806100635/https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/procmon

The thing is, the newer versions have trouble with long traces
and working inside them is like 50x slower than the old version.

And using a tool like that, is like a needle in a haystack.
I had to look through 100,000 registry calls one time, to find
an anomaly where one sound driver had overwritten a "master"
setting that two sound drivers relied upon.

If we had the tools for this, we'd run

millisecond clock # create a timestamp the video would be recording

screen video recorder # capture when the thing is on screen

process monitor

then when the dialog pops up, you'd roll back the
screen video, view the value recorded on the millisecond
clock, then go into the Procmon trace at that particular
point in time and "only a few thousand" entries would
need to be read.

FFMPEG can do (1) and (2) using gdigrab, but setting up
the accurate time clock defeated me the last time
I tried to craft the syntax for it. It's like a
line full of formatting commands in FFMPEG, to make an
onscreen clock while the recording runs. And the purpose of
this, is to correlate the time the window pops up, with
the timestamped entries in Procmon (microsecond time stamp).

The computer is at least capable of timestamping at 100ns
intervals. And that is what Procmon taps into.

The ETW subsystem that traces Windows activity, has *more*
stuff in it, than Procmon can parse. Which is a shame. It's
also capturing network packet information, but the tool
chain to take advantage of that is "almost impossible" :-/
There's a Chrome developer at Google who knows how
to work those levers.

As tools go, it's not much, but that's what I would have
to resort to.

Paul

"Mayayana" wrote:
> Maybe you didn't have AOL in Britain.

We did.

> Few people were actually on the open Internet. Those who were would
> mostly be techie types, a few artists, scientists, etc.

I had already been programming computers for more than 10 years before
the invention of "personal" ones and the public availability of the
internet so avoided the AOL nonesense.

> It was almost a hippie idealism venue,

I dunno about that.

> with people putting up interesting websites for fun

But certainnly ISPs offered a bit of free webspace where you could
upload anything you wanted to make available to all. Now all they give
is cloud space which is no use to me.

> I was very much a hippie when I was young.

I wore long hair and flares but wasn't a real hippie.

> Eventually AOL gave way to the inoration superhighway

I love that typo. I mentally put in a 'g' and got "ignoramus" or
"ignorance". An ignoration of superhighways could be the collective
noun! Unless, of course, you really meant to derive it from "inorate",
meaning "unadorned".

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 17:26:39 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:

>On 11/04/2022 16:05, Mellowed wrote:
>>
>> On 4/11/2022 12:03 AM, Ralph Fox wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 13:10:31 -0700, Mellowed wrote:
>>>>
>>>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0)
>>>> Gecko/20100101
>>>>   Thunderbird/91.8.0
>>>>
>>>> Keep on getting Google pop-ups says one account all of Googel and to
>>>> sign with my Google acc. Can't fine the source. I've deleted anything I
>>>> can find that says Google. I have 'you tube tv' and that has no problem.
>>>> It only occurs on the PC.. TIA
>>>
>>> Is this when your Thunderbird 91.8.0 tries to check for email in Gmail?
>>
>> These Google pop-ups show up even when no apps are running. I only have
>> the desktop. Nothing else.
>> There must be something buried and running to cause the pop-up.
>> The question is How can I find this Gremlin?
>
>There are various tools you can use, probably the simplest being
>Computer Management and Task Manager ...
>
>To start Computer Management, bring up a 'Run' dialog as an
>Administrator, type in 'mmc', then press <Enter> or click <OK>. Use the
>File Menu to navigate to ...
> %WinDir%\System32
>... and load 'compmgmt.msc'.
>
>In the Computer Management console, expand ...
> Services and Applications
>... and click on ...
> Services
>
>Look down the list of services for anything related to Google,
><rt-click> it, and disable it.
>
>Also, while you have Computer Management open, look in the System Tools,
>Task Scheduler section, look for Google items there, and disable any
>that you find.
>
>Additionally or alternatively ...
>
>Start Task Manager as an Administrator, click the 'Processes' tab,
>select 'Show processes from all users', and click 'Image name'. Drag
>the top and the bottom of its window borders to extend it as much as
>possible, and drag the RHS out to allow the columns to be expanded
>sufficiently to show all relevant detail.
>
>It may be that just reading the list of running processes will suggest a
>likely culprit, but if you can't spot anything obvious, then you will
>have to be more systematic, but we won't go into such detail just yet.
>Try the above first, and report what you find back here.

Back in XP days, there was a 3rd party utility you could use that
allowed you to click on a window, dialog, whatever, and it would tell
you a bunch of info about the parent process that owned whatever you had
clicked on.

Does that ring any bells with anyone?

"Char Jackson" wrote:
> Back in XP days, there was a 3rd party utility you could use that
> allowed you to click on a window, dialog, whatever, and it would tell
> you a bunch of info about the parent process that owned whatever you
> had clicked on.
>
> Does that ring any bells with anyone?

Sysinternals Process Explorer can do this by showing which process
owns a window. It's an enhanced task manager. Paul has already
pointed to Process Monitor by the same people but it might be overkill
for this.

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 at 17:53:26, Apd <not@all.invalid> wrote (my
responses usually FOLLOW):
>"Mayayana" wrote:
>> Maybe you didn't have AOL in Britain.
>
>We did.

Oh yus (to quote a certain TV ad). I had a friend who thought the
internet was indeed what she saw through her AOL-disc-installed
environment; it was quite difficult to "break out".
>
>> Few people were actually on the open Internet. Those who were would
>> mostly be techie types, a few artists, scientists, etc.
>
>I had already been programming computers for more than 10 years before
>the invention of "personal" ones and the public availability of the
>internet so avoided the AOL nonesense.
>
>> It was almost a hippie idealism venue,
>
>I dunno about that.

Indeed. Though decidedly techy.
>
>> with people putting up interesting websites for fun
>
>But certainnly ISPs offered a bit of free webspace where you could
>upload anything you wanted to make available to all. Now all they give
>is cloud space which is no use to me.

Yes, Demon gave 5 megabytes, which seemed more than enough at the time.
Later raised to 25, though that didn't seem as much then.
>
>> I was very much a hippie when I was young.
>
>I wore long hair and flares but wasn't a real hippie.

At the time everyone else had long hair (late '70s), I had short. I
_now_ have long hair. (And sandals, but haven't worn anything else for
decades. I have two pairs of other footwear - both employer-provided as
safety.
>
>> Eventually AOL gave way to the inoration superhighway
>
>I love that typo. I mentally put in a 'g' and got "ignoramus" or
>"ignorance". An ignoration of superhighways could be the collective
>noun! Unless, of course, you really meant to derive it from "inorate",
>meaning "unadorned".
>
>

I didn't know the Whole Earth Catalog was a philosophy, though - I had
thought it was a company. Loved your (Mayayana's) dig about what those
who wanted to love in a shopping mall could do (-:.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

* SLMR 2.1a #113 * Tits like watermelons, sparrows like bacon rind.
- 03-22-97 Dave Beecham <dave.beecham@pandbox.demon.co.uk> (quoted by
Gene Wirchenko, in alt.windows7.general, 2012-10-16.)

"Apd" <not@all.invalid> wrote

| I had already been programming computers for more than 10 years before
| the invention of "personal" ones and the public availability of the
| internet so avoided the AOL nonesense.
| That seems to be more typical in these groups. I didn't
get involved for a long time. First I scorned people with
$300 phone number storage devices. Then I had a girlfriend
who was a scientist and thus had email, etc, in the early 90s.
But there didn't seem to be any reason for me to have a
computer. I accepted a used one in 1998, out of curiosity,
then immediately got hooked.

| But certainnly ISPs offered a bit of free webspace where you could
| upload anything you wanted to make available to all. Now all they give
| is cloud space which is no use to me.
| Yes, I got 5 MB from Mindspring and taught myself HTML.
It's odd that the average person was actually more tech
literate back then. People with computers had been using
DOS word processors. Now they can't find the start menu.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote

| I didn't know the Whole Earth Catalog was a philosophy, though - I had
| thought it was a company.

That may be partly my take. It was actually a catalog, but
many of the listings were really articles. I thought of it as
an idealistic compendium of new ideas about how to live
better, listing things like Clivus Multrim composting toilets.
I read it while living out in the woods, fasting, eating
vegetarian with lots of herbal tea, reading Lao Tzu, etc.
It seemed to fit right in with counterculture idealism. I
saw the Internet in a similar way at first. Lots of people
were just throwing out ideas and helpful info.

Then the Millennials went through a similar phase, but for
them the technology itself was the ideal. They thought (and
think?) that the world would be saved by Lyft and ApplePay.
Yet another glib idealism -- spoiled upper-middle-class kids
who think they want socialism. I guess everyone does, until they
make some money and realize that socialism would mean sharing.

On 4/11/2022 9:26 AM, Java Jive wrote:
> On 11/04/2022 16:05, Mellowed wrote:
>>
>> On 4/11/2022 12:03 AM, Ralph Fox wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 13:10:31 -0700, Mellowed wrote:
>>>>
>>>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0)
>>>> Gecko/20100101
>>>>   Thunderbird/91.8.0
>>>>
>>>> Keep on getting Google pop-ups says one account all of Googel and to
>>>> sign with my Google acc. Can't fine the source. I've deleted anything I
>>>> can find that says Google. I have 'you tube tv' and that has no
>>>> problem.
>>>> It only occurs on the PC.. TIA
>>>
>>> Is this when your Thunderbird 91.8.0 tries to check for email in Gmail?
>>
>> These Google pop-ups show up even when no apps are running. I only
>> have the desktop. Nothing else.
>> There must be something buried and running to cause the pop-up.
>> The question is How can I find this Gremlin?
>
> There are various tools you can use, probably the simplest being
> Computer Management and Task Manager ...
>
> To start Computer Management, bring up a 'Run' dialog as an
> Administrator, type in 'mmc', then press <Enter> or click <OK>.  Use the
> File Menu to navigate to ...
>     %WinDir%\System32
> ... and load 'compmgmt.msc'.
>
> In the Computer Management console, expand ...
>     Services and Applications
> ... and click on ...
>     Services
>
> Look down the list of services for anything related to Google,
> <rt-click> it, and disable it.
>
> Also, while you have Computer Management open, look in the System Tools,
> Task Scheduler section, look for Google items there, and disable any
> that you find.
>
> Additionally or alternatively ...
>
> Start Task Manager as an Administrator, click the 'Processes' tab,
> select 'Show processes from all users', and click 'Image name'.  Drag
> the top and the bottom of its window borders to extend it as much as
> possible, and drag the RHS out to allow the columns to be expanded
> sufficiently to show all relevant detail.
>
> It may be that just reading the list of running processes will suggest a
> likely culprit, but if you can't spot anything obvious, then you will
> have to be more systematic, but we won't go into such detail just yet.
> Try the above first, and report what you find back here.
>
Tried your suggestions. Seems to have worked!!! Thanks. I'm now
switching from Thunderbird to Mailbird. Hope that well help in the
future. My biggest vulnerability is that my email account is GMAIL! :(

On 11.04.22 20:09, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 17:26:39 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/04/2022 16:05, Mellowed wrote:
>>>
>>> On 4/11/2022 12:03 AM, Ralph Fox wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 13:10:31 -0700, Mellowed wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0)
>>>>> Gecko/20100101
>>>>> Thunderbird/91.8.0
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep on getting Google pop-ups says one account all of Googel and to
>>>>> sign with my Google acc. Can't fine the source. I've deleted anything I
>>>>> can find that says Google. I have 'you tube tv' and that has no problem.
>>>>> It only occurs on the PC.. TIA
>>>>
>>>> Is this when your Thunderbird 91.8.0 tries to check for email in Gmail?
>>>
>>> These Google pop-ups show up even when no apps are running. I only have
>>> the desktop. Nothing else.
>>> There must be something buried and running to cause the pop-up.
>>> The question is How can I find this Gremlin?
>>
>> There are various tools you can use, probably the simplest being
>> Computer Management and Task Manager ...
>>
>> To start Computer Management, bring up a 'Run' dialog as an
>> Administrator, type in 'mmc', then press <Enter> or click <OK>. Use the
>> File Menu to navigate to ...
>> %WinDir%\System32
>> ... and load 'compmgmt.msc'.
>>
>> In the Computer Management console, expand ...
>> Services and Applications
>> ... and click on ...
>> Services
>>
>> Look down the list of services for anything related to Google,
>> <rt-click> it, and disable it.
>>
>> Also, while you have Computer Management open, look in the System Tools,
>> Task Scheduler section, look for Google items there, and disable any
>> that you find.
>>
>> Additionally or alternatively ...
>>
>> Start Task Manager as an Administrator, click the 'Processes' tab,
>> select 'Show processes from all users', and click 'Image name'. Drag
>> the top and the bottom of its window borders to extend it as much as
>> possible, and drag the RHS out to allow the columns to be expanded
>> sufficiently to show all relevant detail.
>>
>> It may be that just reading the list of running processes will suggest a
>> likely culprit, but if you can't spot anything obvious, then you will
>> have to be more systematic, but we won't go into such detail just yet.
>> Try the above first, and report what you find back here.
>
> Back in XP days, there was a 3rd party utility you could use that
> allowed you to click on a window, dialog, whatever, and it would tell
> you a bunch of info about the parent process that owned whatever you had
> clicked on.
>
> Does that ring any bells with anyone?
>
I use process explorer from sysinternals, telling me all I want to
know.(on XP PRO)

In message <AcMgwVLIEJViFwLK@a.a>, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes
>I _now_ have long hair. (And sandals, but haven't worn anything else
>for decades.

Doesn't the lack of trousers get you into trouble? :)
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)