I lost all desktop effects, particularly the virtual desktop switching
with the screen edge triggering. I could still use the pager.

{I have no idea how the Windows folk manage with one desktop}

Resetting "Desktop effects > screen settings" did not recover
The clue was that the "junk user was unaffected. ( Thanks to Bit Twister )

After a process of elimination I narrowed it down to two files

~/.config

kwinrc
kwinrulesrc

Kwinrulesrc doesn't exist in the new ~/.config folder.
But I have my desktops back now and I am stopping the hunt.

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Mageia release 8 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-8-x86_64-DVD.iso

On 19.09.2021 at 14:20, faeychild scribbled:

> I lost all desktop effects, particularly the virtual desktop
> switching with the screen edge triggering. I could still use the
> pager.
>
> {I have no idea how the Windows folk manage with one desktop}
>
> Resetting "Desktop effects > screen settings" did not recover
> The clue was that the "junk user was unaffected. ( Thanks to Bit
> Twister )
>
> After a process of elimination I narrowed it down to two files
>
> ~/.config
>
> kwinrc
> kwinrulesrc
>
> Kwinrulesrc doesn't exist in the new ~/.config folder.
> But I have my desktops back now and I am stopping the hunt.

Just as a heads-up, the KDE developers have, in their infinite wisdom,
decided to, for the upcoming 25th anniversary release of Plasma, drop
the spinning cube effect, as well as the switching between desktops by
way of the cube effect, and possibly one or two other effects "because
they would need to be rewritten to match the new scene" [whatever that
is] "and almost nobody uses them anyway" and because "they don't belong
on a modern desktop". (Read: they themselves don't use it, and they
don't care whether someone else does.)

Also, again stemming from their infinite wisdom, they've decided to
disable translucency by default because of something to do with the
translucency of moving windows.

Maybe they've taken a few attitude lessons from the GNOME developers...
<facepalm> -- you know, along the lines of "To hell with what the users
want, so long as WE like our code."

--
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= Aragorn =

On 9/18/21 22:10, Aragorn wrote:
> On 19.09.2021 at 14:20, faeychild scribbled:
>
>> I lost all desktop effects, particularly the virtual desktop
>> switching with the screen edge triggering. I could still use the
>> pager.
>>
>> {I have no idea how the Windows folk manage with one desktop}
>>
>> Resetting "Desktop effects > screen settings" did not recover
>> The clue was that the "junk user was unaffected. ( Thanks to Bit
>> Twister )
>>
>> After a process of elimination I narrowed it down to two files
>>
>> ~/.config
>>
>> kwinrc
>> kwinrulesrc
>>
>> Kwinrulesrc doesn't exist in the new ~/.config folder.
>> But I have my desktops back now and I am stopping the hunt.
>
> Just as a heads-up, the KDE developers have, in their infinite wisdom,
> decided to, for the upcoming 25th anniversary release of Plasma, drop
> the spinning cube effect, as well as the switching between desktops by
> way of the cube effect, and possibly one or two other effects "because
> they would need to be rewritten to match the new scene" [whatever that
> is] "and almost nobody uses them anyway" and because "they don't belong
> on a modern desktop". (Read: they themselves don't use it, and they
> don't care whether someone else does.)
>
> Also, again stemming from their infinite wisdom, they've decided to
> disable translucency by default because of something to do with the
> translucency of moving windows.
>
> Maybe they've taken a few attitude lessons from the GNOME developers...
> <facepalm> -- you know, along the lines of "To hell with what the users
> want, so long as WE like our code."
>

I remember reading that KDE and Gnome had a joint conference
to iron our some problems. Maybe keeping up with the programming of
spectacular effects was one of the problems.

As for switching desktops I think a pager is wonderful.
We had multiple screens as far back as the Amiga with certain programs
generating their own screens and being able to flip between screens.
The desktop there was called "Workbench". Virtual Desktops are better
I think than most screens were. Also the Graphics are much finer grained.

bliss - uses a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos

--
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On 19/9/21 3:10 pm, Aragorn wrote:

> Just as a heads-up, the KDE developers have, in their infinite wisdom,
> decided to, for the upcoming 25th anniversary release of Plasma, drop
> the spinning cube effect, as well as the switching between desktops by
> way of the cube effect, and possibly one or two other effects "because
> they would need to be rewritten to match the new scene" [whatever that
> is] "and almost nobody uses them anyway" and because "they don't belong
> on a modern desktop". (Read: they themselves don't use it, and they
> don't care whether someone else does.)

Way back I ran the cube effect and the cylinder but I settled on the
grid view switched with the top screen edge
I just shove the mouse to the top, all four desktops appear and I can
chose.

When it failed yesterday I was seriously inconvenienced changing desktops.

"and almost nobody uses them anyway" may be correct. I tried them for
their novelty value but settled on the grid. Speedy and effective, I can
jump around from desktop to desktop. I have noticed that the scroll
wheel switching has been disabled with my arrangement, although it still
appears as an option in "Mouse Actions".

regards

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Mageia release 8 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-8-x86_64-DVD.iso

On 19/9/21 3:23 pm, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

>
>     As for switching desktops I think a pager is wonderful.

> We had multiple screens as far back as the Amiga with certain programs
> generating their own screens and being able to flip between screens.
> The desktop there was called "Workbench". Virtual Desktops are better
> I think than most screens were.  Also the Graphics are much finer grained.
>
>  bliss - uses a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos
>

Oh NO!! You're are a better girl than me, Bobbie.

I was stuck temporarily with the pager and found it infuriating. It's
too small to hit accurately quickly
So glad to have my edge trigger back

regards
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Mageia release 8 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-8-x86_64-DVD.iso

On 9/19/21 03:06, faeychild wrote:
> On 19/9/21 3:23 pm, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>
>>
>>      As for switching desktops I think a pager is wonderful.
>
>
>> We had multiple screens as far back as the Amiga with certain programs
>> generating their own screens and being able to flip between screens.
>> The desktop there was called "Workbench". Virtual Desktops are better
>> I think than most screens were.  Also the Graphics are much finer
>> grained.
>>
>>   bliss - uses a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos
>>
>
> Oh NO!! You're are a better girl than me, Bobbie.
>
> I was stuck temporarily with the pager and found it infuriating. It's
> too small to hit accurately quickly
> So glad to have my edge trigger back
>
> regards

Why is your pager so small?

|__| 1
|__| 2
|__| 3
|__| 4

Above is about a half size ASCII representation of my pager.
Number 1-4 from top to bottom on vertical task bar with a few other
items on it.

I have a horizontal task bar across 90% of the top of the page and on
the Left side the pager with some other items, such as a menu
icon/widget, Luna, simple calculator, konsole, KWrite, KPatience,
KMahjongg and Lock & Leave. It takes about 2/3 of the vertical height
Top bar is 56 Pixels high and the left side is 64 pixels wide.
1920 x 1080 14 inch display.

This is a faint echo of my Old Amiga Workbench as I had multiple
menus on top and a primitive task bar on the side (forgot the names of
the addons in terms of menu and task bar). One was shareware and the
other for the menus was aspiring to be shareware.

But that is all wasted verbiage as you are happy with your
edge effect. KDE can look like any other Desktop Environment or like
no other desktop. Whee!
bliss - uses a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos

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On 19.09.2021 at 20:00, faeychild scribbled:

> On 19/9/21 3:10 pm, Aragorn wrote:
>
> > Just as a heads-up, the KDE developers have, in their infinite
> > wisdom, decided to, for the upcoming 25th anniversary release of
> > Plasma, drop the spinning cube effect, as well as the switching
> > between desktops by way of the cube effect, and possibly one or two
> > other effects "because they would need to be rewritten to match the
> > new scene" [whatever that is] "and almost nobody uses them anyway"
> > and because "they don't belong on a modern desktop". (Read: they
> > themselves don't use it, and they don't care whether someone else
> > does.)
>
> Way back I ran the cube effect and the cylinder but I settled on the
> grid view switched with the top screen edge
> I just shove the mouse to the top, all four desktops appear and I can
> chose.

I have the grid view trigger on the left edge -- I have a panel at the
top, with (among other things) the global menu, and I have a slightly
thicker but short dock-like panel at the bottom.

The right edge triggers the "Present Windows (current desktop)" effect.
The bottom left corner triggers the full cube -- actually, I call it
"the carousel" because I have twelve virtual desktops, so it's not
quite a cube anymore-- and the right bottom corner triggers the "Show
Desktop" effect.

> When it failed yesterday I was seriously inconvenienced changing
> desktops.
>
> "and almost nobody uses them anyway" may be correct. I tried them for
> their novelty value but settled on the grid. Speedy and effective, I
> can jump around from desktop to desktop.

Well, yes, but I do use the cube effect when switching between
desktops, in the sense that when I switch to another desktop, the one I
was on rotates away and the new one rotates in place. This to me is a
visual clue that I've switched to another desktop. I don't like the
sliding or fading effect for that.

I even use the same rotating effect for switching between the different
home screens on my Android phone, and to myself, this effect perfectly
materializes the "virtual desktop" metaphor, in that it feels like I'm
switching over to another graphical terminal.

> I have noticed that the scroll wheel switching has been disabled with
> my arrangement, although it still appears as an option in "Mouse
> Actions".

I think that was a bug in the handling of the scroll wheel. There were
people complaining about it on the Manjaro forum as well. But
personally, I always disable that.

I do however often switch between virtual desktops by scrolling over the
pager. Likewise, it's how I switch between activities as well -- I have
an activity pager on the panel too, with two activities.

--
With respect,
= Aragorn =

On 20/9/21 12:56 am, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 9/19/21 03:06, faeychild wrote:
>> On 19/9/21 3:23 pm, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

>
>     Why is your pager so small?
>
>     |__|   1
>     |__|   2
>     |__|   3
>     |__|   4
>
>     Above is about a half size ASCII representation of my pager.
> Number 1-4 from top to bottom on vertical task bar with a few other
> items on it.

Ah Ha! My afterthought was that you probably had something a little
better that the standard pager on the default task bar, which is about
half the size of a desktop icon - the pager not the task bar.

I have experimented with task bar in various locations but still go back
to the screen bottom and set it default narrow/height

>
>     This is a faint echo of my Old Amiga Workbench as I had multiple
> menus on top and a primitive task bar on the side (forgot the names of
> the addons in terms of menu and task bar).  One was shareware and the
> other for the menus was aspiring to be shareware.

I never had the experience of the Amiga. I look back in some sorrow.

>
> bliss - uses a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos
>

I do read their monthly magazine. The editor seems to be a one man
show: quite an effort

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Mageia release 8 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-8-x86_64-DVD.iso

On 20/9/21 6:29 am, Aragorn wrote:

>
> I have the grid view trigger on the left edge -- I have a panel at the
> top, with (among other things) the global menu, and I have a slightly
> thicker but short dock-like panel at the bottom.
>
> The right edge triggers the "Present Windows (current desktop)" effect.
> The bottom left corner triggers the full cube -- actually, I call it
> "the carousel" because I have twelve virtual desktops, so it's not
> quite a cube anymore-- and the right bottom corner triggers the "Show
> Desktop" effect.

The best of all worlds then.

>
> Well, yes, but I do use the cube effect when switching between
> desktops, in the sense that when I switch to another desktop, the one I
> was on rotates away and the new one rotates in place. This to me is a
> visual clue that I've switched to another desktop. I don't like the
> sliding or fading effect for that.

So if they deprecate the "Cube", as you say, it will break your heart.

>
> I even use the same rotating effect for switching between the different
> home screens on my Android phone, and to myself, this effect perfectly
> materializes the "virtual desktop" metaphor, in that it feels like I'm
> switching over to another graphical terminal.

I had idea that the Android had a cube effect. Well Well!!!

regards

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Mageia release 8 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-8-x86_64-DVD.iso

On 20.09.2021 at 07:30, faeychild scribbled:

> On 20/9/21 6:29 am, Aragorn wrote:
>
> > I have the grid view trigger on the left edge -- I have a panel at
> > the top, with (among other things) the global menu, and I have a
> > slightly thicker but short dock-like panel at the bottom.
> >
> > The right edge triggers the "Present Windows (current desktop)"
> > effect. The bottom left corner triggers the full cube -- actually,
> > I call it "the carousel" because I have twelve virtual desktops, so
> > it's not quite a cube anymore-- and the right bottom corner
> > triggers the "Show Desktop" effect.
>
> The best of all worlds then.

Yep. :)

> > Well, yes, but I do use the cube effect when switching between
> > desktops, in the sense that when I switch to another desktop, the
> > one I was on rotates away and the new one rotates in place. This
> > to me is a visual clue that I've switched to another desktop. I
> > don't like the sliding or fading effect for that.
>
> So if they deprecate the "Cube", as you say, it will break your heart.

Yes, it will. It was one of those cool features that Plasma had and
that you couldn't get on other desktop environments without using
Compiz as a drop-in window manager replacement.

> > I even use the same rotating effect for switching between the
> > different home screens on my Android phone, and to myself, this
> > effect perfectly materializes the "virtual desktop" metaphor, in
> > that it feels like I'm switching over to another graphical
> > terminal.
>
> I had idea that the Android had a cube effect. Well Well!!!

My phone has Android 8 on it, so from at least as early as version 8 on,
it'll be there, yes. It's not the default setting however; the default
is for the screens to slide.

--
With respect,
= Aragorn =

On 20/9/21 9:57 am, Aragorn wrote:
> On 20.09.2021 at 07:30, faeychild scribbled:
>

>> I had idea that the Android had a cube effect. Well Well!!!

Typo!! I had NO idea that there was a cube effect for Android.
How is it accessed

I know about the right left sweep to access the second first desktop
and I think more desktops can be added but I haven't gone there since I
first set up the phone. I didn't realize that there was anything
remotely fancy to switch between them.

I must start poking around.

regards

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Mageia release 8 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-8-x86_64-DVD.iso

On 20.09.2021 at 17:39, faeychild scribbled:

> On 20/9/21 9:57 am, Aragorn wrote:
>
> > On 20.09.2021 at 07:30, faeychild scribbled:
> >
> >> I had idea that the Android had a cube effect. Well Well!!!
>
> Typo!! I had NO idea that there was a cube effect for Android.
> How is it accessed
>
> I know about the right left sweep to access the second first desktop
> and I think more desktops can be added but I haven't gone there since
> I first set up the phone. I didn't realize that there was anything
> remotely fancy to switch between them.

Well, it's in the options somewhere. I only discovered it by accident
myself, because my previous Android phone -- granted, that one's
already old -- didn't have that effect.

> I must start poking around.
That's how you'll find it. :)

--
With respect,
= Aragorn =

On 20/9/21 6:58 pm, Aragorn wrote:

>
> Well, it's in the options somewhere. I only discovered it by accident
> myself, because my previous Android phone -- granted, that one's
> already old -- didn't have that effect.
>
>> I must start poking around.
>
> That's how you'll find it. :)
>

Yeo! I am having the vague flashback memories - always despairingly
and uselessly vague

I do remember - eventually - long ago pinching the home screen would
cause thumbnails to appear for each desktop/screen and a plus "+"
button to add more.

Pinching the Android 10 screen causes a little navigation panel
Wallpaper widgets and Settings

Settings offers Transition effects
Slide Crossfade Tumble and Page

None of them particularly catchy. All quite similar in operation and
appearance. Probably easier to code than a cube and memory space
considerations apply

Maybe they talked to the Plasma guys and decided on global elimination
of the cube

A great pity! It was catchy

Mediocrity rules.

regards

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Mageia release 8 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-8-x86_64-DVD.iso

On 21.09.2021 at 14:34, faeychild scribbled:

> Pinching the Android 10 screen causes a little navigation panel
> Wallpaper widgets and Settings
>
>
> Settings offers Transition effects
> Slide Crossfade Tumble and Page

I think it's the "tumble" effect. Not sure anymore, plus that my phone
is set up in Dutch -- I bought it through my carrier.

--
With respect,
= Aragorn =

On 21/9/21 2:52 pm, Aragorn wrote:
> On 21.09.2021 at 14:34, faeychild scribbled:
>
>> Pinching the Android 10 screen causes a little navigation panel
>> Wallpaper widgets and Settings

Android 10 has been "improved"
To create a new home screen, don't pinch, just drag an icon to the right
edge. A new screen will be created

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Mageia release 8 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-8-x86_64-DVD.iso

On 19/9/21 14:20, faeychild wrote:
>
>
>  I lost all desktop effects, particularly the virtual desktop switching
> with the screen edge triggering. I could still use the pager.

Clearly something I did
I just lost the desktop effects a few minutes ago
I checked the "kwinrc" file to find that it had been modified created
and accessed today. a few moment ago

I deleted it and ran through the desktop effects setup and all was well.
It's nice to have localized the problem previously to effect a swift
solution. I'm glad I looked into it earlier on.

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Mageia release 8 (Official) for x86_64 installed via Mageia-8-x86_64-DVD.iso

On 24.09.2021 at 18:11, faeychild scribbled:

> On 19/9/21 14:20, faeychild wrote:
> >
> >
> >  I lost all desktop effects, particularly the virtual desktop
> > switching with the screen edge triggering. I could still use the
> > pager.
>
>
> Clearly something I did
> I just lost the desktop effects a few minutes ago
> I checked the "kwinrc" file to find that it had been modified created
> and accessed today. a few moment ago
>
> I deleted it and ran through the desktop effects setup and all was
> well. It's nice to have localized the problem previously to effect a
> swift solution. I'm glad I looked into it earlier on.

For future reference, make a backup of the file.

$ cd ~/.config && cp kwinrc kwinrc.backup

;)

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With respect,
= Aragorn