On 2023-08-17 09:13, News wrote:
> On 8/17/2023 12:00 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-08-17 07:50, News wrote:
>>> On 8/16/2023 5:47 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-08-16 14:39, News wrote:
>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:25 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-08-16 14:16, News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:04 PM, JAB wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your wet behind the ears....$500.00
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Btw, typical person can use 110 volt charger, and if needed, use a
>>>>>>>> commerical charger.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 14,781 miles per year = 40 miles/day
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, sparky. Go for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And if you need more:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a39917614/best-home-ev-chargers-tested/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Level 2 chargers there from $400.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://shop.emporiaenergy.com/collections/ev-chargers/products/smart-home-ev-charger-ul-listed>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Up to 40A charging on just a 220/240V plug.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, stick your fingers in your DIY socket. Good luck.
>>>>
>>>> Who said anything about "DIY"?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Costs of cherry-picked 'cheap' charger, plus local permits, plus
>>>>> licensed electrician for 240V sub-panel, conduit and termination
>>>>> panel, 240V home runs, plus local/UL/fire inspections, plus fire
>>>>> insurance, over a period of months.
>>>>
>>>> I licensed electrician to install a standard 240/220 wall jack...
>>>>
>>>> ...just like they install for electric stoves and dryers.
>>>>
>>>> <https://plumblineservices.com/help-guides/how-much-does-it-cost-to-install-a-220v-outlet-for-my-electric-dryer>
>>>>
>>>> Why do you imagine you automatically have additional costs for all
>>>> of those?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Or will it be a DIY shade-tree job, sparky?
>>>>
>>>> If it came to it, I could do it and do it right.
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Next up, 'wace dwiber' is a constitutional law expert.
>>>
>>> FOAD or EASD, your choice of demise.
>>>
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> You are a quite the big man in your mind, aren't you?
>>
>> :-)
>
> And you are quite the 'wace dwiber', duffer, and amateur electrical
> contractor in yours, IDIOT.

Simple face, Sunshine.

I'm not just a road racing driver. The very best drivers in our club
(the oldest road racing club in Canada) voted me good enough to be an
instructor.

So I could literally school you...

....if you weren't so very unpleasant.

On 8/17/2023 12:19 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-08-17 09:13, News wrote:
>> On 8/17/2023 12:00 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-08-17 07:50, News wrote:
>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:47 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-08-16 14:39, News wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:25 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-08-16 14:16, News wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:04 PM, JAB wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your wet behind the ears....$500.00
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Btw, typical person can use 110 volt charger, and if needed, use a
>>>>>>>>> commerical charger.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 14,781 miles per year = 40 miles/day
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure, sparky. Go for it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And if you need more:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a39917614/best-home-ev-chargers-tested/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Level 2 chargers there from $400.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://shop.emporiaenergy.com/collections/ev-chargers/products/smart-home-ev-charger-ul-listed>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Up to 40A charging on just a 220/240V plug.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, stick your fingers in your DIY socket. Good luck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who said anything about "DIY"?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Costs of cherry-picked 'cheap' charger, plus local permits, plus
>>>>>> licensed electrician for 240V sub-panel, conduit and termination
>>>>>> panel, 240V home runs, plus local/UL/fire inspections, plus fire
>>>>>> insurance, over a period of months.
>>>>>
>>>>> I licensed electrician to install a standard 240/220 wall jack...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...just like they install for electric stoves and dryers.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://plumblineservices.com/help-guides/how-much-does-it-cost-to-install-a-220v-outlet-for-my-electric-dryer>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you imagine you automatically have additional costs for all
>>>>> of those?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or will it be a DIY shade-tree job, sparky?
>>>>>
>>>>> If it came to it, I could do it and do it right.
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Next up, 'wace dwiber' is a constitutional law expert.
>>>>
>>>> FOAD or EASD, your choice of demise.
>>>>
>>>
>>> LOL
>>>
>>> You are a quite the big man in your mind, aren't you?
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> And you are quite the 'wace dwiber', duffer, and amateur electrical
>> contractor in yours, IDIOT.
>
> Simple face, Sunshine.
>
> I'm not just a road racing driver. The very best drivers in our club
> (the oldest road racing club in Canada) voted me good enough to be an
> instructor.
>
> So I could literally school you...
>
> ...if you weren't so very unpleasant.

That would be the day, OAF.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 12:23:38 -0500, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
wrote:

>
>
>"JAB" <here@is.invalid> wrote in message
>news:ubiuta$3cft3$1@dont-email.me...
>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 09:56:51 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>
>>>Why not guestimate the cost of permitting, main panel expansion, 240V
>>>50A home runs, outdoor panels, terminals, local, fire underwriters and
>>>UL close-out inspections, and time to completion?
>>
>> Siemens' new home EV charger adapter ends need for electrical panel
>> upgrades
>> https://electrek.co/2022/07/27/siemens-home-ev-charger-adapter/
>>
>> Cheap, Simple, At-Home EV Charging for the Masses
>> https://gearjunkie.com/motors/cheap-simple-home-ev-charging
>
>Problem. You need permission of the utility company to install, you now have
>an unsightly conduit running around the exterior of the home and it
>prohibits you from installing a meter base that allows to hook up emergency
>power via the same means.

My power connection is on the side of the house, next to the driveway about three feet
short of the carport.

>In short, it's fix of a sort, but with massive shortcomings that still
>doesn't address the issues of where this power is going to come from
>particularly in times of excessive demand.
>
>It's a workaround for the inherent problems and limits of EV that doesn't
>really address the fundamental issues.

'The problem is, the nearest gasoline filling station is fifty miles from my work. That's
almost half a tank just to get there and back. My wife almost threw me out of the house
when I suggested getting one of those big hundred gallon tanks out back that we could
refill from a delivery tanker. I'm not sure I'm a handy enough guy to do the repairs
anyway and all those tools are a MAJOR investment.'

Swill
--
"It bears repeating. Trumpers don't understand what happens when you
insult and degrade people. They don't take it well."

"Insulting and degrading people? No, not a crime but that doesn't
mean you won't have any consequences to deal with."
Swilly 8/16/2023

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Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

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On 8/17/2023 12:17 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-08-17 09:12, News wrote:
>> On 8/17/2023 11:59 AM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-08-17 06:57, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ubjet1$3emc8$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 2023-08-16 14:16, News wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:04 PM, JAB wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your wet behind the ears....$500.00
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Btw, typical person can use 110 volt charger, and if needed, use a
>>>>>>> commerical charger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 14,781 miles per year = 40 miles/day
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, sparky. Go for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if you need more:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a39917614/best-home-ev-chargers-tested/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Level 2 chargers there from $400.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://shop.emporiaenergy.com/collections/ev-chargers/products/smart-home-ev-charger-ul-listed>
>>>>>
>>>>> Up to 40A charging on just a 220/240V plug.
>>>>
>>>> Sure, $10,000 later we've got that installed.
>>>
>>> LOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL!
>>>
>>> $10,000?
>>>
>>> To have the same plug you'd use for an electric stove installed?
>>>
>>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>>
>>
>>
>> Sure, install the terminal and interconnect and home run AFTER THE
>> FACT and charge in your kitchen, right, MORON.
>
> You get that the same TYPE of outlet can be installed anywhere in a
> home, right?
>
>>
>> Who cooks with electricity anyway, except you, DOLT.
>
> How is this even relevant?
>
>>
>> Go back to rec.sport.golf and put it in the rough, there.
>
> LOL

Your hypotheticals, DULLARD.

On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 08:45:53 -0500, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
wrote:

>Then you still have to figure out how to run this exposed conduit to where
>the charger will actually be.. that's going to be at least $1K

I doubt it's going to cost that much to run not more than fifteen feet of conduit to my
carport. I just have to run it next to the conduit for the CATV about six inches deep.

Swill
--
"It bears repeating. Trumpers don't understand what happens when you
insult and degrade people. They don't take it well."

"Insulting and degrading people? No, not a crime but that doesn't
mean you won't have any consequences to deal with."
Swilly 8/16/2023

GO TRUMP! Go farther! Farther! I CAN STILL HEAR YOU!

Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

Go here to donate to Ukrainian relief.
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 10:54:49 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:

>The market will be begging for more 'traditional' nuclear plants

Molten salt is the way to go.

Swill
--
"It bears repeating. Trumpers don't understand what happens when you
insult and degrade people. They don't take it well."

"Insulting and degrading people? No, not a crime but that doesn't
mean you won't have any consequences to deal with."
Swilly 8/16/2023

GO TRUMP! Go farther! Farther! I CAN STILL HEAR YOU!

Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

Go here to donate to Ukrainian relief.
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 08:48:02 -0500, "Scout" wrote:
>"JAB" <here@is.invalid> wrote
>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 21:20:37 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:
>>>Makes one wonder how the power grid will support the added demand of every
>>>home and office having EV chargers with the current infrastructure which
>>>can barely keep up right now.
>>
>> Why lasers could help make the electric grid greener
>>
>> Sensors can help utilities get real-time data on their power lines,
>> which can allow them to send more renewable electricity through the
>> wires. This tech is part of a suite of innovations that could help the
>> U.S. increase its grid capacity faster and cheaper than building new
>> transmission lines.
>> ...
>> ...
>> With this tech, called "dynamic line rating", utilities are able to
>> increase the efficiency of their lines - sometimes as much as 40%,
>> says Gentle.
>>
>> https://www.npr.org/2023/08/13/1187620367/power-grid-enhancing-technologies-climate-change
>
>Which does nothing to change the fact that the supply isn't there.

Sure it is. There's plenty there. You just don't want to believe it because EVs cut down
the value of your oil stock.

Swill
--
"It bears repeating. Trumpers don't understand what happens when you
insult and degrade people. They don't take it well."

"Insulting and degrading people? No, not a crime but that doesn't
mean you won't have any consequences to deal with."
Swilly 8/16/2023

GO TRUMP! Go farther! Farther! I CAN STILL HEAR YOU!

Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

Go here to donate to Ukrainian relief.
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 10:48:17 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:

>On 8/17/2023 4:19 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 15:59:51 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/16/2023 3:47 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/16/2023 1:59 PM, JAB wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 13:30:51 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good luck with the landlord
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am the landlord....renter ask for one, and when its available, it
>>>>>> will be installed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 'when it's available', if ever
>>>>>
>>>>> At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500 -- plus utility fine,
>>>>> plus local permit, plus licensed electrician, plus local/UL/fire
>>>>> inspections, plus fire insurance
>>>>>
>>>>> Or will it be another DIY shade-tree job? Probably!
>>>>>
>>>>> Facilitating charging near the meter, right? Snaking HV cables all over?
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck, sparky!
>>>>>
>>>>> LMAO.
>>>>
>>>> The twenty tanks of gas you won't have to buy will pay for it.
>>>>
>>>> Swill
>>>
>>>
>>> No CAPEX, 125 tank fills, 50,000 driving miles, for the installation.
>>
>> Where you finding gasoline for sixty cents a gallon?
>>
>>> Your charge kilowatts are 'free' or subsidized, right, sparky?
>>>
>>> Remarkable how EV 'economics' are cherry-picked.
>>>
>>> They make you feel good and 'green' though, don't they?
>>
>> A Rivian, including charger and electricity costs goes green after 30k. With solar
>> charging, at 25k. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr5x62MyAUg>

>Some people will believe anything. Keep drinking that swill.

I provided an accurate cite.

Lick my ass.

Swill
--
"It bears repeating. Trumpers don't understand what happens when you
insult and degrade people. They don't take it well."

"Insulting and degrading people? No, not a crime but that doesn't
mean you won't have any consequences to deal with."
Swilly 8/16/2023

GO TRUMP! Go farther! Farther! I CAN STILL HEAR YOU!

Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

Go here to donate to Ukrainian relief.
<https://www2.deloitte.com/ua/uk/pages/registration-forms/help-cities.html>

On 2023-08-17 10:18, News wrote:
> On 8/17/2023 12:19 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-08-17 09:13, News wrote:
>>> On 8/17/2023 12:00 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-08-17 07:50, News wrote:
>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:47 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-08-16 14:39, News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:25 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-08-16 14:16, News wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:04 PM, JAB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your wet behind the ears....$500.00
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Btw, typical person can use 110 volt charger, and if needed,
>>>>>>>>>> use a
>>>>>>>>>> commerical charger.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 14,781 miles per year = 40 miles/day
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure, sparky. Go for it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And if you need more:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a39917614/best-home-ev-chargers-tested/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Level 2 chargers there from $400.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://shop.emporiaenergy.com/collections/ev-chargers/products/smart-home-ev-charger-ul-listed>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Up to 40A charging on just a 220/240V plug.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, stick your fingers in your DIY socket. Good luck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who said anything about "DIY"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Costs of cherry-picked 'cheap' charger, plus local permits, plus
>>>>>>> licensed electrician for 240V sub-panel, conduit and termination
>>>>>>> panel, 240V home runs, plus local/UL/fire inspections, plus fire
>>>>>>> insurance, over a period of months.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I licensed electrician to install a standard 240/220 wall jack...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...just like they install for electric stoves and dryers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://plumblineservices.com/help-guides/how-much-does-it-cost-to-install-a-220v-outlet-for-my-electric-dryer>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do you imagine you automatically have additional costs for all
>>>>>> of those?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or will it be a DIY shade-tree job, sparky?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it came to it, I could do it and do it right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Next up, 'wace dwiber' is a constitutional law expert.
>>>>>
>>>>> FOAD or EASD, your choice of demise.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>>> You are a quite the big man in your mind, aren't you?
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>> And you are quite the 'wace dwiber', duffer, and amateur electrical
>>> contractor in yours, IDIOT.
>>
>> Simple face, Sunshine.
>>
>> I'm not just a road racing driver. The very best drivers in our club
>> (the oldest road racing club in Canada) voted me good enough to be an
>> instructor.
>>
>> So I could literally school you...
>>
>> ...if you weren't so very unpleasant.
>
>
> That would be the day, OAF.

Second fastest driver in my class around Mission Raceway, Sunshine. And
that includes against a former SCCA Runoffs champion.

:-)

On 2023-08-17 10:18, News wrote:
> On 8/17/2023 12:17 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-08-17 09:12, News wrote:
>>> On 8/17/2023 11:59 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-08-17 06:57, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ubjet1$3emc8$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> On 2023-08-16 14:16, News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:04 PM, JAB wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your wet behind the ears....$500.00
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Btw, typical person can use 110 volt charger, and if needed, use a
>>>>>>>> commerical charger.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 14,781 miles per year = 40 miles/day
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, sparky. Go for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And if you need more:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a39917614/best-home-ev-chargers-tested/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Level 2 chargers there from $400.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://shop.emporiaenergy.com/collections/ev-chargers/products/smart-home-ev-charger-ul-listed>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Up to 40A charging on just a 220/240V plug.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, $10,000 later we've got that installed.
>>>>
>>>> LOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL!
>>>>
>>>> $10,000?
>>>>
>>>> To have the same plug you'd use for an electric stove installed?
>>>>
>>>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure, install the terminal and interconnect and home run AFTER THE
>>> FACT and charge in your kitchen, right, MORON.
>>
>> You get that the same TYPE of outlet can be installed anywhere in a
>> home, right?
>>
>>>
>>> Who cooks with electricity anyway, except you, DOLT.
>>
>> How is this even relevant?
>>
>>>
>>> Go back to rec.sport.golf and put it in the rough, there.
>>
>> LOL
>
>
> Your hypotheticals, DULLARD.

No. Simple facts.

Running a 220/240 outlet is a simple electrical job.

You're the one with all the idiotic hypothetical charges.

:-)

On 8/17/2023 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-08-17 10:18, News wrote:
>> On 8/17/2023 12:19 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-08-17 09:13, News wrote:
>>>> On 8/17/2023 12:00 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-08-17 07:50, News wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:47 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-08-16 14:39, News wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:25 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-08-16 14:16, News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:04 PM, JAB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your wet behind the ears....$500.00
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, typical person can use 110 volt charger, and if needed,
>>>>>>>>>>> use a
>>>>>>>>>>> commerical charger.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 14,781 miles per year = 40 miles/day
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure, sparky. Go for it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And if you need more:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a39917614/best-home-ev-chargers-tested/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Level 2 chargers there from $400.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://shop.emporiaenergy.com/collections/ev-chargers/products/smart-home-ev-charger-ul-listed>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Up to 40A charging on just a 220/240V plug.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure, stick your fingers in your DIY socket. Good luck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who said anything about "DIY"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Costs of cherry-picked 'cheap' charger, plus local permits, plus
>>>>>>>> licensed electrician for 240V sub-panel, conduit and termination
>>>>>>>> panel, 240V home runs, plus local/UL/fire inspections, plus fire
>>>>>>>> insurance, over a period of months.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I licensed electrician to install a standard 240/220 wall jack...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...just like they install for electric stoves and dryers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://plumblineservices.com/help-guides/how-much-does-it-cost-to-install-a-220v-outlet-for-my-electric-dryer>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why do you imagine you automatically have additional costs for
>>>>>>> all of those?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or will it be a DIY shade-tree job, sparky?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it came to it, I could do it and do it right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next up, 'wace dwiber' is a constitutional law expert.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FOAD or EASD, your choice of demise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL
>>>>>
>>>>> You are a quite the big man in your mind, aren't you?
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> And you are quite the 'wace dwiber', duffer, and amateur electrical
>>>> contractor in yours, IDIOT.
>>>
>>> Simple face, Sunshine.
>>>
>>> I'm not just a road racing driver. The very best drivers in our club
>>> (the oldest road racing club in Canada) voted me good enough to be an
>>> instructor.
>>>
>>> So I could literally school you...
>>>
>>> ...if you weren't so very unpleasant.
>>
>>
>> That would be the day, OAF.
>
> Second fastest driver in my class around Mission Raceway, Sunshine. And
> that includes against a former SCCA Runoffs champion.
>
> :-)

Slowest of two, Great job, sunshine.

On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 08:59:31 -0500, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
wrote:

>
>
>"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>news:ubjg5s$3eskd$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 2023-08-16 14:39, News wrote:
>>> Costs of cherry-picked 'cheap' charger, plus local permits, plus licensed
>>> electrician for 240V sub-panel, conduit and termination panel, 240V home
>>> runs, plus local/UL/fire inspections, plus fire insurance, over a period
>>> of months.
>>
>> I licensed electrician to install a standard 240/220 wall jack...
>>
>> ...just like they install for electric stoves and dryers.
>
>Which are done when the home is under construction..
>
>Far different issue when you're starting with a completed and OCCUPIED home.

I don't see why that's a problem. My dad installed an electric dryer and a drainage
system for the washer separate from the septic for this house. He dug the drain field
himself. Cut and sealed the hole for the drain pipe. Neighbor next door is an
electrician and since the box was in the same room as the dryer, installing the 240 was a
snap. he also ran a new circuit to the back porch which was subsequently enclosed to
become a family and dining room.

Swill
--
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insult and degrade people. They don't take it well."

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On 8/17/2023 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-08-17 10:18, News wrote:
>> On 8/17/2023 12:17 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-08-17 09:12, News wrote:
>>>> On 8/17/2023 11:59 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-08-17 06:57, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ubjet1$3emc8$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 2023-08-16 14:16, News wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:04 PM, JAB wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your wet behind the ears....$500.00
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Btw, typical person can use 110 volt charger, and if needed, use a
>>>>>>>>> commerical charger.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 14,781 miles per year = 40 miles/day
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure, sparky. Go for it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And if you need more:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a39917614/best-home-ev-chargers-tested/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Level 2 chargers there from $400.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://shop.emporiaenergy.com/collections/ev-chargers/products/smart-home-ev-charger-ul-listed>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Up to 40A charging on just a 220/240V plug.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, $10,000 later we've got that installed.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> $10,000?
>>>>>
>>>>> To have the same plug you'd use for an electric stove installed?
>>>>>
>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sure, install the terminal and interconnect and home run AFTER THE
>>>> FACT and charge in your kitchen, right, MORON.
>>>
>>> You get that the same TYPE of outlet can be installed anywhere in a
>>> home, right?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Who cooks with electricity anyway, except you, DOLT.
>>>
>>> How is this even relevant?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Go back to rec.sport.golf and put it in the rough, there.
>>>
>>> LOL
>>
>>
>> Your hypotheticals, DULLARD.
>
> No. Simple facts.
>
> Running a 220/240 outlet is a simple electrical job.
>
> You're the one with all the idiotic hypothetical charges.
>
> :-)

Lick your fingers, asshole.

On 2023-08-17 10:50, News wrote:
> On 8/17/2023 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-08-17 10:18, News wrote:
>>> On 8/17/2023 12:19 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-08-17 09:13, News wrote:
>>>>> On 8/17/2023 12:00 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-08-17 07:50, News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:47 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-08-16 14:39, News wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:25 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-08-16 14:16, News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:04 PM, JAB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your wet behind the ears....$500.00
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, typical person can use 110 volt charger, and if needed,
>>>>>>>>>>>> use a
>>>>>>>>>>>> commerical charger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 14,781 miles per year = 40 miles/day
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, sparky. Go for it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And if you need more:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a39917614/best-home-ev-chargers-tested/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Level 2 chargers there from $400.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://shop.emporiaenergy.com/collections/ev-chargers/products/smart-home-ev-charger-ul-listed>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Up to 40A charging on just a 220/240V plug.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure, stick your fingers in your DIY socket. Good luck.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who said anything about "DIY"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Costs of cherry-picked 'cheap' charger, plus local permits,
>>>>>>>>> plus licensed electrician for 240V sub-panel, conduit and
>>>>>>>>> termination panel, 240V home runs, plus local/UL/fire
>>>>>>>>> inspections, plus fire insurance, over a period of months.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I licensed electrician to install a standard 240/220 wall jack...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...just like they install for electric stoves and dryers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://plumblineservices.com/help-guides/how-much-does-it-cost-to-install-a-220v-outlet-for-my-electric-dryer>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why do you imagine you automatically have additional costs for
>>>>>>>> all of those?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or will it be a DIY shade-tree job, sparky?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If it came to it, I could do it and do it right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Next up, 'wace dwiber' is a constitutional law expert.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FOAD or EASD, your choice of demise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are a quite the big man in your mind, aren't you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> And you are quite the 'wace dwiber', duffer, and amateur electrical
>>>>> contractor in yours, IDIOT.
>>>>
>>>> Simple face, Sunshine.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not just a road racing driver. The very best drivers in our club
>>>> (the oldest road racing club in Canada) voted me good enough to be
>>>> an instructor.
>>>>
>>>> So I could literally school you...
>>>>
>>>> ...if you weren't so very unpleasant.
>>>
>>>
>>> That would be the day, OAF.
>>
>> Second fastest driver in my class around Mission Raceway, Sunshine.
>> And that includes against a former SCCA Runoffs champion.
>>
>> :-)
>
>
> Slowest of two, Great job, sunshine.

LOL!

Riiiiiiiiight. There've only ever been two Formula Fords (now officially
"Formula F") to ever drive at Mission!

LOL!

On 2023-08-17 10:51, News wrote:
> On 8/17/2023 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-08-17 10:18, News wrote:
>>> On 8/17/2023 12:17 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-08-17 09:12, News wrote:
>>>>> On 8/17/2023 11:59 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-08-17 06:57, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:ubjet1$3emc8$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>> On 2023-08-16 14:16, News wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:04 PM, JAB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your wet behind the ears....$500.00
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Btw, typical person can use 110 volt charger, and if needed,
>>>>>>>>>> use a
>>>>>>>>>> commerical charger.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 14,781 miles per year = 40 miles/day
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure, sparky. Go for it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And if you need more:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a39917614/best-home-ev-chargers-tested/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Level 2 chargers there from $400.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://shop.emporiaenergy.com/collections/ev-chargers/products/smart-home-ev-charger-ul-listed>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Up to 40A charging on just a 220/240V plug.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, $10,000 later we've got that installed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $10,000?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To have the same plug you'd use for an electric stove installed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, install the terminal and interconnect and home run AFTER THE
>>>>> FACT and charge in your kitchen, right, MORON.
>>>>
>>>> You get that the same TYPE of outlet can be installed anywhere in a
>>>> home, right?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Who cooks with electricity anyway, except you, DOLT.
>>>>
>>>> How is this even relevant?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Go back to rec.sport.golf and put it in the rough, there.
>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>>
>>>
>>> Your hypotheticals, DULLARD.
>>
>> No. Simple facts.
>>
>> Running a 220/240 outlet is a simple electrical job.
>>
>> You're the one with all the idiotic hypothetical charges.
>>
>> :-)
>
>
> Lick your fingers, asshole.

LOL!

You're so owned by me, it's HILARIOUS.

On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 09:00:11 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2023-08-17 06:59, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote
>>> I licensed electrician to install a standard 240/220 wall jack...
>>>
>>> ...just like they install for electric stoves and dryers.
>>
>> Which are done when the home is under construction..
>>
>> Far different issue when you're starting with a completed and OCCUPIED
>> home.
>
>Different... ...not "far" different.

The CATV in the house died and a new line had to be run around the house to a new wall.

The ditch was about two inches wide and six deep for the conduit. Ran in a loop around
the house, dodged the porch and went through the dining room wall where the wireless is.
They didn't charge us. Cute guy. I might have offered to "pay" him but I had out of town
guests there at the time.

Swill
--
"It bears repeating. Trumpers don't understand what happens when you
insult and degrade people. They don't take it well."

"Insulting and degrading people? No, not a crime but that doesn't
mean you won't have any consequences to deal with."
Swilly 8/16/2023

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On 8/16/2023 2:20 PM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

> Makes one wonder how the power grid will support the added demand of every
> home and office having EV chargers with the current infrastructure which
> can barely keep up right now. It’s not like more nuclear power stations
> are getting built. Is solar power going to provide all the extra power
> needed for charging private and commercial EVs? How expensive will
> electricity become when natural gas and oil become outlawed?

The present infrastructure is not what will be in place once most of the
country's vehicles are electric, or at least plug-in hybrid. We're
talking at least twenty years before no more gasoline or diesel vehicles
are available.

Solar _will_ be a major contributor to EV charging, when combined with
an ESS in the home. The recent changes to NEM now make an ESS in the
home more financially attractive.

I recently was in a meeting about a new condominium project that will
soon be built in my city and they will have sufficient electric capacity
to charge 100% of residents' vehicles, just not all at the same time.
The system will automatically distribute power to the charging stations
to sequence the charging overnight.

The bigger issue is large apartment or condo complexes that lack
off-street parking. California is moving backwards in this regard by
allowing developers to not have to include sufficient parking.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 12:13:59 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:

>On 8/17/2023 12:00 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-08-17 07:50, News wrote:
>>> Next up, 'wace dwiber' is a constitutional law expert.
>>>
>>> FOAD or EASD, your choice of demise.
>>>
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> You are a quite the big man in your mind, aren't you?
>>
>> :-)
>
>And you are quite the 'wace dwiber', duffer, and amateur electrical
>contractor in yours, IDIOT.

Have you discussed these feelings of insecurity with your counselor?

Swill
--
"It bears repeating. Trumpers don't understand what happens when you
insult and degrade people. They don't take it well."

"Insulting and degrading people? No, not a crime but that doesn't
mean you won't have any consequences to deal with."
Swilly 8/16/2023

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On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 08:57:58 -0500, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
wrote:

>
>
>"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>news:ubjet1$3emc8$2@dont-email.me...
>> On 2023-08-16 14:16, News wrote:
>>> On 8/16/2023 5:04 PM, JAB wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500
>>>>
>>>> Your wet behind the ears....$500.00
>>>>
>>>> Btw, typical person can use 110 volt charger, and if needed, use a
>>>> commerical charger.
>>>>
>>>> 14,781 miles per year = 40 miles/day
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure, sparky. Go for it.
>>
>> And if you need more:
>>
>> <https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a39917614/best-home-ev-chargers-tested/>
>>
>> Level 2 chargers there from $400.
>>
>> <https://shop.emporiaenergy.com/collections/ev-chargers/products/smart-home-ev-charger-ul-listed>
>>
>> Up to 40A charging on just a 220/240V plug.
>
>Sure, $10,000 later we've got that installed.
>
>Of course if you rent or live in a condo that's not even an option...
>
>

Then don't get an EV.

Swill
--
"It bears repeating. Trumpers don't understand what happens when you
insult and degrade people. They don't take it well."

"Insulting and degrading people? No, not a crime but that doesn't
mean you won't have any consequences to deal with."
Swilly 8/16/2023

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On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 08:50:26 -0500, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
wrote:

>
>
>"JAB" <here@is.invalid> wrote in message
>news:ubjdkg$3ehlm$1@dont-email.me...
>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>
>>>At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500
>>
>> Your wet behind the ears....$500.00
>>
>> Btw, typical person can use 110 volt charger, and if needed, use a
>> commerical charger.
>>
>> 14,781 miles per year = 40 miles/day
>
>Great.. and if your are one the 50% who drive more than that, I guess you're
>just shit outta luck...

Cite that statistic since I already know it's bullshit.

>I understand the CEO of ford just tried taking one of their new EV Trucks on
>a trip.. and had a very rude awakening as to the reality and limitations of
>driving an EV... let's just say, he was very unhappy with their product.

"3 things I HATE about my Rivian R1T after 10,000 miles"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr5x62MyAUg&t=403s>

Swill
--
"It bears repeating. Trumpers don't understand what happens when you
insult and degrade people. They don't take it well."

"Insulting and degrading people? No, not a crime but that doesn't
mean you won't have any consequences to deal with."
Swilly 8/16/2023

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On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 08:58:49 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2023-08-17 06:50, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "JAB" <here@is.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:ubjdkg$3ehlm$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>
>>>> At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500
>>>
>>> Your wet behind the ears....$500.00
>>>
>>> Btw, typical person can use 110 volt charger, and if needed, use a
>>> commerical charger.
>>>
>>> 14,781 miles per year = 40 miles/day
>>
>> Great.. and if your are one the 50% who drive more than that, I guess
>> you're just shit outta luck...
>
>Or you use a plug-in 240/220 charger after having an electrician install
>one...

Doesn't even have to go through your panel. Have the electrician connect between your
meter and the wall, run conduit to wherever (save time and money - pre dig the conduit
ditch), install a home dryer/stove 220. As long as it's protected from rain, all is good.

Swill
--
"It bears repeating. Trumpers don't understand what happens when you
insult and degrade people. They don't take it well."

"Insulting and degrading people? No, not a crime but that doesn't
mean you won't have any consequences to deal with."
Swilly 8/16/2023

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Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

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On 8/17/23 13:22, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 08:58:49 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-08-17 06:50, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "JAB" <here@is.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:ubjdkg$3ehlm$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500
>>>>
>>>> Your wet behind the ears....$500.00
>>>>
>>>> Btw, typical person can use 110 volt charger, and if needed, use a
>>>> commerical charger.
>>>>
>>>> 14,781 miles per year = 40 miles/day
>>>
>>> Great.. and if your are one the 50% who drive more than that, I guess
>>> you're just shit outta luck...
>>
>> Or you use a plug-in 240/220 charger after having an electrician install
>> one...
>
> Doesn't even have to go through your panel. Have the electrician connect between your
> meter and the wall, run conduit to wherever (save time and money - pre dig the conduit
> ditch), install a home dryer/stove 220. As long as it's protected from rain, all is good.

Would that meet NEC requirements?

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
news:ublg3p$3r264$1@dont-email.me...
> On 2023-08-17 06:50, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "JAB" <here@is.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:ubjdkg$3ehlm$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>
>>>> At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500
>>>
>>> Your wet behind the ears....$500.00
>>>
>>> Btw, typical person can use 110 volt charger, and if needed, use a
>>> commerical charger.
>>>
>>> 14,781 miles per year = 40 miles/day
>>
>> Great.. and if your are one the 50% who drive more than that, I guess
>> you're just shit outta luck...
>
> Or you use a plug-in 240/220 charger after having an electrician install
> one...

Great.. and if you don't don't have the money or the permission to do so.. I
guess you're just SOL.

That is even assuming you have a garage to install one in. Yea, I want to
see how well that charger works when you install it for your on-street
parking and someone starts using YOUR power to charge THEIR car, or simply
blocks you from parking there.

>> I understand the CEO of ford just tried taking one of their new EV Trucks
>> on a trip.. and had a very rude awakening as to the reality and
>> limitations of driving an EV... let's just say, he was very unhappy with
>> their product.
>>
>>
>

<crickets>

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
news:ublg5a$3r264$2@dont-email.me...
> On 2023-08-17 06:57, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>> news:ubjet1$3emc8$2@dont-email.me...
>>> On 2023-08-16 14:16, News wrote:
>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:04 PM, JAB wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500
>>>>>
>>>>> Your wet behind the ears....$500.00
>>>>>
>>>>> Btw, typical person can use 110 volt charger, and if needed, use a
>>>>> commerical charger.
>>>>>
>>>>> 14,781 miles per year = 40 miles/day
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sure, sparky. Go for it.
>>>
>>> And if you need more:
>>>
>>> <https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a39917614/best-home-ev-chargers-tested/>
>>>
>>> Level 2 chargers there from $400.
>>>
>>> <https://shop.emporiaenergy.com/collections/ev-chargers/products/smart-home-ev-charger-ul-listed>
>>>
>>> Up to 40A charging on just a 220/240V plug.
>>
>> Sure, $10,000 later we've got that installed.
>
> LOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL!
>
> $10,000?
>
> To have the same plug you'd use for an electric stove installed?
>
> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Great, I'm sure your wife will be just thrilled as you move those range out
into the middle of the floor so you can unhook it to hook in the cable going
to your charger and then run that cable through the house, and let's not
forget you will be unable to close the door or window you're going to feed
that cable through. Then in the morning, you get to get up early and put it
all back, or it's going to be a cold breakfast because the range isn't
hooked up.

Any other stupidity you would like to display?

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
news:ublh72$3r5fh$1@dont-email.me...
> On 2023-08-17 09:12, News wrote:
>> On 8/17/2023 11:59 AM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-08-17 06:57, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ubjet1$3emc8$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 2023-08-16 14:16, News wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/16/2023 5:04 PM, JAB wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your wet behind the ears....$500.00
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Btw, typical person can use 110 volt charger, and if needed, use a
>>>>>>> commerical charger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 14,781 miles per year = 40 miles/day
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, sparky. Go for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if you need more:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a39917614/best-home-ev-chargers-tested/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Level 2 chargers there from $400.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://shop.emporiaenergy.com/collections/ev-chargers/products/smart-home-ev-charger-ul-listed>
>>>>>
>>>>> Up to 40A charging on just a 220/240V plug.
>>>>
>>>> Sure, $10,000 later we've got that installed.
>>>
>>> LOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL!
>>>
>>> $10,000?
>>>
>>> To have the same plug you'd use for an electric stove installed?
>>>
>>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>>
>>
>>
>> Sure, install the terminal and interconnect and home run AFTER THE FACT
>> and charge in your kitchen, right, MORON.
>
> You get that the same TYPE of outlet can be installed anywhere in a home,
> right?

Sure, and all you need is deep enough pockets.

Well Alan your 150Amp panel wont support this load given your current
electrical system, so we're going to have to upgrade to a 200-225 Amp panel,
then we have to update all the wiring to current code as required by the
electrical code
Next we will need to tear down parts of your walls to run the cable, and
correct the wiring as necessary. and then install a subpanel and the
associated wiring for the charger. We need zoning approval, the house can
not be occupied between when the work starts as that would be illegal with
no electrical power and then the government inspectors have to approve the
work and the power company finally returns to restore power once they get
all the necessary documents and certifications. So you will have to find
somewhere else to stay for about 1-2 weeks, but it could be as much as 3
weeks and initial estimate will be $12K-$20K for job. But we can't even
touch the job until you get a permit and authorization to have this work
performed, and perform a full electrical audit to determine the full scope
of work to be performed which will cost $1,200. At last check the permit
department has a 4-6 week back log... What? You already sold your old car,
and you need the charger installed this weekend? Ever consider getting a
bicycle?

I love these people who think they can just slap in a high demand appliance
and it will be quick, easy, and cheap to do.

>>
>> Who cooks with electricity anyway, except you, DOLT.
>
> How is this even relevant?

If you don't have an electric stove.. then you don't have the high capacity
plug there to use.... even if you could.

>> Go back to rec.sport.golf and put it in the rough, there.
>
> LOL