RIP

Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> writes:

> RIP

If you read (and post) using a newsreader/news feed combination rather
than a browser and Google Groups you can filter out the spam so you
don't see it. I use Eternal September for the feed but there are other
free NNTP feeds.

Of course, the group was arguably dead before the recent flood of spam
since it carried nothing by posts from cranks about junk theories, but
that did (for a while) have some amusement value.

--
Ben.

On 10/4/2023 6:10 AM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> RIP
>
> If you read (and post) using a newsreader/news feed combination rather
> than a browser and Google Groups you can filter out the spam so you
> don't see it. I use Eternal September for the feed but there are other
> free NNTP feeds.
>

What criteria do you use for the spam filter?

> Of course, the group was arguably dead before the recent flood of spam
> since it carried nothing by posts from cranks about junk theories, but
> that did (for a while) have some amusement value.
>

--
Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

How did sci.physics.relativity get rid of the spam? Its
not showing anymore there? What was their secret souce?

olcott schrieb am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2023 um 16:53:35 UTC+2:
> On 10/4/2023 6:10 AM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> > Fritz Feldhase <franz.fri...@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >> RIP
> >
> > If you read (and post) using a newsreader/news feed combination rather
> > than a browser and Google Groups you can filter out the spam so you
> > don't see it. I use Eternal September for the feed but there are other
> > free NNTP feeds.
> >
> What criteria do you use for the spam filter?
> > Of course, the group was arguably dead before the recent flood of spam
> > since it carried nothing by posts from cranks about junk theories, but
> > that did (for a while) have some amusement value.
> >
>
> --
> Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

In sci.physics.relativity it stopped on 02.10.2023, there was
some last spamming in 02.10.2023. Now I see that even some
deletion or expiry happened, the lastest spam seen is 28.09.2023.

Mild Shock schrieb am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2023 um 19:15:05 UTC+2:
> How did sci.physics.relativity get rid of the spam? Its
> not showing anymore there? What was their secret souce?
> olcott schrieb am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2023 um 16:53:35 UTC+2:
> > On 10/4/2023 6:10 AM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> > > Fritz Feldhase <franz.fri...@gmail.com> writes:
> > >
> > >> RIP
> > >
> > > If you read (and post) using a newsreader/news feed combination rather
> > > than a browser and Google Groups you can filter out the spam so you
> > > don't see it. I use Eternal September for the feed but there are other
> > > free NNTP feeds.
> > >
> > What criteria do you use for the spam filter?
> > > Of course, the group was arguably dead before the recent flood of spam
> > > since it carried nothing by posts from cranks about junk theories, but
> > > that did (for a while) have some amusement value.
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

On 10/4/2023 12:15 PM, Mild Shock wrote:
>
> How did sci.physics.relativity get rid of the spam? Its
> not showing anymore there? What was their secret souce?
>

That would not be a spam filter, the spammer must have simply quit
spamming. A spam filter must be individually set up in each persons news
reader.

> olcott schrieb am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2023 um 16:53:35 UTC+2:
>> On 10/4/2023 6:10 AM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>> Fritz Feldhase <franz.fri...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> RIP
>>>
>>> If you read (and post) using a newsreader/news feed combination rather
>>> than a browser and Google Groups you can filter out the spam so you
>>> don't see it. I use Eternal September for the feed but there are other
>>> free NNTP feeds.
>>>
>> What criteria do you use for the spam filter?
>>> Of course, the group was arguably dead before the recent flood of spam
>>> since it carried nothing by posts from cranks about junk theories, but
>>> that did (for a while) have some amusement value.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
>> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

--
Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

Interesting observation on my side. Must be google groups specific
filtering, maybe it was classified as spam by google groups itself.
For example if I look for sci.physics.relativity over news.solani.org,

it still shows me some spam from 03.10.2023. But again no spam
from 04.10.2023 over news.solani.org in sci.physics.relativity. Maybe
spam rules take some time to ripple into the last corner of this globe,

and its only a matter of time sci.logic gets also rid of it. But if we
would know some way to accelerate this process, this would be cool!

olcott schrieb am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2023 um 19:19:00 UTC+2:
> On 10/4/2023 12:15 PM, Mild Shock wrote:
> >
> > How did sci.physics.relativity get rid of the spam? Its
> > not showing anymore there? What was their secret souce?
> >
> That would not be a spam filter, the spammer must have simply quit
> spamming. A spam filter must be individually set up in each persons news
> reader.
> > olcott schrieb am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2023 um 16:53:35 UTC+2:
> >> On 10/4/2023 6:10 AM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> >>> Fritz Feldhase <franz.fri...@gmail.com> writes:
> >>>
> >>>> RIP
> >>>
> >>> If you read (and post) using a newsreader/news feed combination rather
> >>> than a browser and Google Groups you can filter out the spam so you
> >>> don't see it. I use Eternal September for the feed but there are other
> >>> free NNTP feeds.
> >>>
> >> What criteria do you use for the spam filter?
> >>> Of course, the group was arguably dead before the recent flood of spam
> >>> since it carried nothing by posts from cranks about junk theories, but
> >>> that did (for a while) have some amusement value.
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
>
> --
> Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

I know there are some global spam prevention services, companies
and networks. Only I don't know their adresses and how to
make a filter proposal. Little busy with other stuff than spam.

spam, ham, eggs and toast.

Mild Shock schrieb am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2023 um 19:22:39 UTC+2:
> Interesting observation on my side. Must be google groups specific
> filtering, maybe it was classified as spam by google groups itself.
> For example if I look for sci.physics.relativity over news.solani.org,
>
> it still shows me some spam from 03.10.2023. But again no spam
> from 04.10.2023 over news.solani.org in sci.physics.relativity. Maybe
> spam rules take some time to ripple into the last corner of this globe,
>
> and its only a matter of time sci.logic gets also rid of it. But if we
> would know some way to accelerate this process, this would be cool!
> olcott schrieb am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2023 um 19:19:00 UTC+2:
> > On 10/4/2023 12:15 PM, Mild Shock wrote:
> > >
> > > How did sci.physics.relativity get rid of the spam? Its
> > > not showing anymore there? What was their secret souce?
> > >
> > That would not be a spam filter, the spammer must have simply quit
> > spamming. A spam filter must be individually set up in each persons news
> > reader.
> > > olcott schrieb am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2023 um 16:53:35 UTC+2:
> > >> On 10/4/2023 6:10 AM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> > >>> Fritz Feldhase <franz.fri...@gmail.com> writes:
> > >>>
> > >>>> RIP
> > >>>
> > >>> If you read (and post) using a newsreader/news feed combination rather
> > >>> than a browser and Google Groups you can filter out the spam so you
> > >>> don't see it. I use Eternal September for the feed but there are other
> > >>> free NNTP feeds.
> > >>>
> > >> What criteria do you use for the spam filter?
> > >>> Of course, the group was arguably dead before the recent flood of spam
> > >>> since it carried nothing by posts from cranks about junk theories, but
> > >>> that did (for a while) have some amusement value.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> >
> > --
> > Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

These spam prevention algorithms also use machine learning.
If they were not in place, everything would be full of penis enlargement
advertising. Most likely the spammer, as in the present case, will

trigger some rule by its own suspicious behavour, only a matter of time.

Yes spam, and of course backed beans and marmelade.

Mild Shock schrieb am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2023 um 19:25:01 UTC+2:
> I know there are some global spam prevention services, companies
> and networks. Only I don't know their adresses and how to
> make a filter proposal. Little busy with other stuff than spam.
>
> spam, ham, eggs and toast.
> Mild Shock schrieb am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2023 um 19:22:39 UTC+2:
> > Interesting observation on my side. Must be google groups specific
> > filtering, maybe it was classified as spam by google groups itself.
> > For example if I look for sci.physics.relativity over news.solani.org,
> >
> > it still shows me some spam from 03.10.2023. But again no spam
> > from 04.10.2023 over news.solani.org in sci.physics.relativity. Maybe
> > spam rules take some time to ripple into the last corner of this globe,
> >
> > and its only a matter of time sci.logic gets also rid of it. But if we
> > would know some way to accelerate this process, this would be cool!
> > olcott schrieb am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2023 um 19:19:00 UTC+2:
> > > On 10/4/2023 12:15 PM, Mild Shock wrote:
> > > >
> > > > How did sci.physics.relativity get rid of the spam? Its
> > > > not showing anymore there? What was their secret souce?
> > > >
> > > That would not be a spam filter, the spammer must have simply quit
> > > spamming. A spam filter must be individually set up in each persons news
> > > reader.
> > > > olcott schrieb am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2023 um 16:53:35 UTC+2:
> > > >> On 10/4/2023 6:10 AM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> > > >>> Fritz Feldhase <franz.fri...@gmail.com> writes:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> RIP
> > > >>>
> > > >>> If you read (and post) using a newsreader/news feed combination rather
> > > >>> than a browser and Google Groups you can filter out the spam so you
> > > >>> don't see it. I use Eternal September for the feed but there are other
> > > >>> free NNTP feeds.
> > > >>>
> > > >> What criteria do you use for the spam filter?
> > > >>> Of course, the group was arguably dead before the recent flood of spam
> > > >>> since it carried nothing by posts from cranks about junk theories, but
> > > >>> that did (for a while) have some amusement value.
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> > >
> > > --
> > > Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> > > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

Maybe they should use proof techniques and not machine
learning. Combining Law and Spam filtering. LoL

Workshop on Programming Languages and the Law 2023
https://popl23.sigplan.org/home/prolala-2023#program

ProLaLa 2023 ACM SIGPLAN 17 Videos
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyrlk8Xaylp5T-nzYiOKZkI4T7V623lbr

Ok, that was my daily spam.

Mild Shock schrieb am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2023 um 19:28:19 UTC+2:
> These spam prevention algorithms also use machine learning.
> If they were not in place, everything would be full of penis enlargement
> advertising. Most likely the spammer, as in the present case, will
>
> trigger some rule by its own suspicious behavour, only a matter of time.
>
> Yes spam, and of course backed beans and marmelade.

news.solani.org is tidy now.
But Google Groups hasn't catched up yet!

Ben Bacarisse schrieb:
> Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> RIP
>
> If you read (and post) using a newsreader/news feed combination rather
> than a browser and Google Groups you can filter out the spam so you
> don't see it. I use Eternal September for the feed but there are other
> free NNTP feeds.
>
> Of course, the group was arguably dead before the recent flood of spam
> since it carried nothing by posts from cranks about junk theories, but
> that did (for a while) have some amusement value.
>

On 2023-10-04 17:15:03 +0000, Mild Shock said:

> How did sci.physics.relativity get rid of the spam? Its
> not showing anymore there? What was their secret souce?

Perhaps someone informed Thai police or Interpol.

> olcott schrieb am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2023 um 16:53:35 UTC+2:

>> What criteria do you use for the spam filter?

From or subject matches regex ^.*[ฝากถอนขงแท้ปฐมพรชัยภูมิ].*$
(proppsed by Dairon Dijur) seems to work.

Mikko

On 10/7/2023 5:20 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 2023-10-04 17:15:03 +0000, Mild Shock said:
>
>> How did sci.physics.relativity get rid of the spam? Its
>> not showing anymore there? What was their secret souce?
>
> Perhaps someone informed Thai police or Interpol.
>
>> olcott schrieb am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2023 um 16:53:35 UTC+2:
>
>>> What criteria do you use for the spam filter?
>
> From or subject matches regex ^.*[ฝากถอนขงแท้ปฐมพรชัยภูมิ].*$
> (proppsed by Dairon Dijur) seems to work.
>
> Mikko
>

Thanks. I did it a much more complicated way that is less reliable yet
this way works too. I will see if I can add that other filter.

--
Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

On 10/7/2023 5:20 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 2023-10-04 17:15:03 +0000, Mild Shock said:
>
>> How did sci.physics.relativity get rid of the spam? Its
>> not showing anymore there? What was their secret souce?
>
> Perhaps someone informed Thai police or Interpol.
>
>> olcott schrieb am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2023 um 16:53:35 UTC+2:
>
>>> What criteria do you use for the spam filter?
>
> From or subject matches regex ^.*[ฝากถอนขงแท้ปฐมพรชัยภูมิ].*$
> (proppsed by Dairon Dijur) seems to work.
>
> Mikko
>

It looks like someone got this guy banned, all of the messages that my
filter does not catch have been deleted.

--
Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

On 10/7/2023 11:41 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 10/7/2023 5:20 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 2023-10-04 17:15:03 +0000, Mild Shock said:
>>
>>> How did sci.physics.relativity get rid of the spam? Its
>>> not showing anymore there? What was their secret souce?
>>
>> Perhaps someone informed Thai police or Interpol.
>>
>>> olcott schrieb am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2023 um 16:53:35 UTC+2:
>>
>>>> What criteria do you use for the spam filter?
>>
>>  From or subject matches regex ^.*[ฝากถอนขงแท้ปฐมพรชัยภูมิ].*$
>> (proppsed by Dairon Dijur) seems to work.
>>
>> Mikko
>>
>
> It looks like someone got this guy banned, all of the messages that my
> filter does not catch have been deleted.
>

I was wrong. My spam filter is working though.

--
Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:15:05 PM UTC+2, Mild Shock wrote:

> How did sci.physics.relativity get rid of the spam? Its
> not showing anymore there? What was their secret souce?

Same in sci.math.

Seems that Google is not that interested in sci.logic. :-P

On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 4:37:33 AM UTC+2, Fritz Feldhase wrote:

Beep!

> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:15:05 PM UTC+2, Mild Shock wrote:
>
> > How did sci.physics.relativity get rid of the spam? Its
> > not showing anymore there? What was their secret souce?
> Same in sci.math.
>
> Seems that Google is not that interested in sci.logic. :-P

On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:15:05 PM UTC+2, Mild Shock wrote:

> How did sci.physics.relativity get rid of the spam? Its
> not showing anymore there? What was their secret souce?

Using google: Reporting some [as many as possible] of them as spam [as I did today] might help.

Seems to work.

You can use one of the check boxes, and select like 30 posts
at once. And then you can choose "spam". I also chose "antisemtic"
a few times, maybe this get more attention by google groups?

LoL

Fritz Feldhase schrieb am Mittwoch, 11. Oktober 2023 um 00:19:32 UTC+2:
> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:15:05 PM UTC+2, Mild Shock wrote:
> > How did sci.physics.relativity get rid of the spam? Its
> > not showing anymore there? What was their secret souce?
> Using google: Reporting some [as many as possible] of them as spam [as I did today] might help.
>
> Seems to work.

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 1:21:46 AM UTC+2, Mild Shock wrote:

> You can use one of the check boxes, and select like 30 posts
> at once. And then you can choose "spam".

Right!

Looks good so far.

> I also chose "antisemtic" a few times, maybe this get more attention by google groups?
>
> LoL

On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 4:10:14 AM UTC-7, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Fritz Feldhase <franz.fri...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > RIP
>
> If you read (and post) using a newsreader/news feed combination rather
> than a browser and Google Groups you can filter out the spam so you
> don't see it. I use Eternal September for the feed but there are other
> free NNTP feeds.
>
> Of course, the group was arguably dead before the recent flood of spam
> since it carried nothing by posts from cranks about junk theories, but
> that did (for a while) have some amusement value.
>
> --
> Ben.

Usenet is often historically regularly pronounced dead.

Won't the "one true theory" have been passed by all?

On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:19:00 AM UTC-7, olcott wrote:
> On 10/4/2023 12:15 PM, Mild Shock wrote:
> >
> > How did sci.physics.relativity get rid of the spam? Its
> > not showing anymore there? What was their secret souce?
> >
> That would not be a spam filter, the spammer must have simply quit
> spamming. A spam filter must be individually set up in each persons news
> reader.
> > olcott schrieb am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2023 um 16:53:35 UTC+2:
> >> On 10/4/2023 6:10 AM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> >>> Fritz Feldhase <franz.fri...@gmail.com> writes:
> >>>
> >>>> RIP
> >>>
> >>> If you read (and post) using a newsreader/news feed combination rather
> >>> than a browser and Google Groups you can filter out the spam so you
> >>> don't see it. I use Eternal September for the feed but there are other
> >>> free NNTP feeds.
> >>>
> >> What criteria do you use for the spam filter?
> >>> Of course, the group was arguably dead before the recent flood of spam
> >>> since it carried nothing by posts from cranks about junk theories, but
> >>> that did (for a while) have some amusement value.
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
>
> --
> Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

Usenet has facilities including "CancelMoose" and "NoSeUm".

On 10/10/2023 9:29 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:19:00 AM UTC-7, olcott wrote:
>> On 10/4/2023 12:15 PM, Mild Shock wrote:
>>>
>>> How did sci.physics.relativity get rid of the spam? Its
>>> not showing anymore there? What was their secret souce?
>>>
>> That would not be a spam filter, the spammer must have simply quit
>> spamming. A spam filter must be individually set up in each persons news
>> reader.
>>> olcott schrieb am Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2023 um 16:53:35 UTC+2:
>>>> On 10/4/2023 6:10 AM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>>> Fritz Feldhase <franz.fri...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> RIP
>>>>>
>>>>> If you read (and post) using a newsreader/news feed combination rather
>>>>> than a browser and Google Groups you can filter out the spam so you
>>>>> don't see it. I use Eternal September for the feed but there are other
>>>>> free NNTP feeds.
>>>>>
>>>> What criteria do you use for the spam filter?
>>>>> Of course, the group was arguably dead before the recent flood of spam
>>>>> since it carried nothing by posts from cranks about junk theories, but
>>>>> that did (for a while) have some amusement value.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
>>>> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
>>
>> --
>> Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
>> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
>
> Usenet has facilities including "CancelMoose" and "NoSeUm".

Not any more. Here is what you are referring to:
http://www.cm.org/

--
Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> writes:

> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 4:10:14 AM UTC-7, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Fritz Feldhase <franz.fri...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > RIP
>>
>> If you read (and post) using a newsreader/news feed combination rather
>> than a browser and Google Groups you can filter out the spam so you
>> don't see it. I use Eternal September for the feed but there are other
>> free NNTP feeds.
>>
>> Of course, the group was arguably dead before the recent flood of spam
>> since it carried nothing by posts from cranks about junk theories, but
>> that did (for a while) have some amusement value.
>
> Usenet is often historically regularly pronounced dead.

Usenet is not dead, and I never said it was. Specific groups are
usually only considered to be alive by people who can't remember (or
didn't care) what they were like in their prime.

--
Ben.

On 10/3/2023 9:08 PM, Fritz Feldhase wrote:
> RIP

Spam filters that I set up in Thunderbird continue to block ALL of the
spam. I have to go to a different news host to see if the spam still
exists.

The current issue with spam is not really actual spam at all unless the
spammer is psychotic. It seems to be someone that intentionally wants to
destroy these news groups.

--
Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer