Given the high profile news about the iphone 12, it's interesting to
note that Apple aren't alone in having released phones that have failed
french RF testing.

All the data are public and can be searched here:
https://data.anfr.fr/explore/dataset/das-telephonie-mobile?sort=modele&refine.conformite_aux_normes=Non+Conforme

There are 51 entries, but eight are retests following attempted fixes
(labelled 'MAJ'). Presumably in software. Looks like pretty much every
manufacturer has had one or more models fail, incl. Samsung (2 models),
Motorola, Sony, Huawei. The worst offenders are Xiaomi and Nokia with
six and five models respectively.

It's notable that it isn't easy to pass as the attempted fixes often
fail as shown by the eight labelled as 'MAJ' yet still 'non conforme':
failed. It sometimes take two goes.

And, I just noticed, that of yesterday the iphone 12 with iOS 17.0.1 is
now compliant:
https://data.anfr.fr/explore/dataset/das-telephonie-mobile?sort=-date_pr%C3%A9l%C3%A8vement&refine.marque=APPLE

Full report here:
https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM054210042/1-6460_23-30-03.pdf

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote

> Looks like pretty much every
> manufacturer has had one or more models fail, incl. Samsung (2 models),
> Motorola, Sony, Huawei. The worst offenders are Xiaomi and Nokia with
> six and five models respectively.

Good to know Chris. Thanks for posting useful salient information.

Most of us have Pixels and Samsungs on the Android newsgroup, so it's
good to know only the Samsung NOTE 10 PLUS & Z FLIP are affected.

To add further value, attached is the chart with the current data
(so that people can more easily run a control-F search for their phone).

1 COM088190006 NOKIA 3.1 (TA-1063DS) 8 octobre 2019 2,73 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM088190006
2 COM030180010 NOKIA 3 (TA-1032DS) 7 juin 2018 2,37 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM030180010
3 COM083180041 NOKIA 5 4 septembre 2018 2,24 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM083180041
4 COM071190003 NOKIA 6.1 (TA-1043) 26 f�vrier 2019 3,58 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM071190003
5 COM075190012 ONE PLUS 6T (A6013) 4 avril 2019 2,56 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM075190012
6 COM049210018 REALME 7i (RMX2193) 21 avril 2021 1,96 5 4,91 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM049210018
7 COM071190016 NOKIA 7 PLUS (TA-1046) 11 septembre 2019 3,48 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM071190016
8 COM071190016 NOKIA 7 PLUS (TA-1046) (MAJ) 11 septembre 2019 2,15 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM071190016
9 COM054210046 ONEPLUS 7 PRO (GM1913) 10 d�cembre 2021 1,43 5 4,42 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM054210046
10 COM038180002 ARCHOS ACCESS 50 7 mars 2018 3,01 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM038180002
11 COM062220004 ESSENTIELB CLAP 20 + (8008396 / 3026X) 24 mars 2022 2,73 5 4,14 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM062220004
12 COM071210002 MOTOROLA EDGE (XT2063-3 / MC351) 5 mai 2021 2,12 5 2,82 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM071210002
13 COM071210002 MOTOROLA EDGE (XT2063-3 / MC351) MAJ1 5 mai 2021 2,24 5 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM071210002
14 COM082170011 HISENSE F23 14 septembre 2017 0,383 2,13 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM082170011
15 COM075200003 SAMSUNG GALAXY NOTE 10 PLUS (SM-N975F/DS) 3 novembre 2020 1,45 5 4,33 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM075200003
16 COM062210006 SAMSUNG GALAXY Z FLIP (SM-F707B) 1 juin 2021 0,417 2,502 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM062210006
17 COM062210006 SAMSUNG GALAXY Z FLIP (SM-F707B) (MAJ) 1 juin 2021 3,024 5 1,882 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM062210006
18 COM044190025 GIGASET GS370 PLUS 1 juillet 2019 2,37 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM044190025
19 COM062210017 GIGASET GX290 2 juin 2021 2,94 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM062210017
20 COM013170002 ORANGE HAPI 30 15 juillet 2017 0,631 2,1 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM013170002
21 COM054200035 ESSENTIELB HEYOU 40 12 novembre 2020 2,54 5 4,02 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM054200035
22 COM038200002 ESSENTIELB HEYOU 60 9 septembre 2020 0,844 2,86 5 5,26 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM038200002
23 COM049170013 HUAWEI HONOR 8 (FRD-L09) 11 mai 2017 2,11 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM049170013
24 COM094180016 ECHO HORIZON LITE 2 mai 2018 2,38 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM094180016
25 COM094180023 ECHO HORIZON LITE (MAJ) 14 septembre 2018 2,84 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM094180023
26 COM069210001 HISENSE INFINITY H30 (HLTE315E) 8 juin 2021 1,84 5 4,4 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM069210001
27 COM054210042 APPLE IPHONE 12 5G (A2403) 16 novembre 2021 1,178 5 5,74 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM054210042
28 COM056190006 LOGICOM LE HOLA 25 septembre 2019 2,58 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM056190006
29 COM040210001 LOGICOM LE PULSE 28 avril 2021 2,47 5 4,36 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM040210001
30 COM040210001 LOGICOM LE PULSE (MAJ) 28 avril 2021 2,02 5 4,36 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM040210001
31 COM040210001 LOGICOM LE PULSE (MAJ) 28 avril 2021 2,31 5 4,28 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM040210001
32 COM004220002 LOGICOM LE SWIPE 3 mars 2022 2,07 5 3,25 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM004220002
33 COM004220002 LOGICOM LE SWIPE (MAJ1) 3 mars 2022 2,04 5 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM004220002
34 COM038180001 LOGICOM M Bot 60 7 mars 2018 2,81 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM038180001
35 COM087180003 XIAOMI MI MIX 2S 4 juillet 2018 2,94 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM087180003
36 COM006200006 XIAOMI MI NOTE 10 (M1910F4G) 26 f�vrier 2020 2,45 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM006200006
37 COM049170017 TP LINK NEFFOS X1 TP902A 5 octobre 2017 2,52 5 Non Conforme
38 COM074170002 ALCATEL PIXI 4 - 6'' (9001D) 14 mars 2017 0,308 2,04 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM074170002
39 COM071210013 XIAOMI POCO X3 (M2007J20CG) 29 novembre 2021 2,33 5 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM071210013
40 COM071210013 XIAOMI POCO X3 (M2007J20CG)(MAJ1) 29 novembre 2021 2,67 5 5,49 Non Conforme www.anfr.fr/das/COM071210013
41 COM071190015 RAZER RAZER PHONE 2 (RZ35-0259) 11 septembre 2019 0,447 3,29 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM071190015
42 COM088190007 XIAOMI REDMI 7 (M1810F6LG) 8 octobre 2019 2,01 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM088190007
43 COM087180002 XIAOMI REDMI NOTE 5 4 juillet 2018 2,08 1,59 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM087180002
44 COM075200002 XIAOMI REDMI NOTE 9 PRO (M2003J6B2G) 3 novembre 2020 0,771 5 4,96 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM075200002
45 COM071180001 LEAGOO S8 14 juin 2018 2,39 5 Non Conforme
46 COM044170030 ECHO STAR PLUS 10 octobre 2017 2,05 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM044170030
47 COM054170036 WIKO TOMMY 2 BOUYGUES TELECOM 10 octobre 2017 2,46 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM054170036
48 COM064180003 WIKO VIEW 4 avril 2018 2,44 5 Non Conforme https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM064180003
49 COM071180018 ALLVIEW X4 SOUL MINI S 8 ao�t 2018 4,6 5 Non Conforme
50 COM019200002 SONY XPERIA 5 (J9210 / PM-1241-BV) 26 f�vrier 2020 2,64 5 Non Conforme
51 COM004220003 WIKO Y82 (W-K630) 3 mars 2022 1,7

On 2023-09-29 13:51, Chris wrote:
>
> Given the high profile news about the iphone 12, it's interesting to
> note that Apple aren't alone in having released phones that have failed
> french RF testing.

<snipped>

> And, I just noticed, that of yesterday the iphone 12 with iOS 17.0.1 is
> now compliant:
> https://data.anfr.fr/explore/dataset/das-telephonie-mobile?sort=-date_pr%C3%A9l%C3%A8vement&refine.marque=APPLE

Chris, you have no respect for the trolls. This will cause them no end
of embarrassment.

QUOTE
*ROTFLSTC*
The French authorities used multiple institutes and other authorities
have no say in France and Europe.
ENDQUOTE by Jörg Lorenz

QUOTE
Apple has a clear order by the French authorities to rectify the issue
within 2 weeks.
ENDQUOTE by Jörg Lorenz

QUOTE
The order of European authorities based on law are non-negotiable.
Americans and especially the Fanboys in this group have enormous pain
to accept that fact.
ENDQUOTE by Jörg Lorenz

Hmm - doesn't look like Apple rectified anything. They did tell ANFR to
test properly.

> Full report here:
> https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM054210042/1-6460_23-30-03.pdf

Skimmed it - you can see on page 25 that it was tested by Cetecom
Advanced in Germany between 23 and 27 Sept. this year and the client is
ANFR (page 1).

So I guess Apple told them to head in and test correctly.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

> Chris, you have no respect for the trolls. This will cause them no end
> of embarrassment.

Adults will notice that Alan Browne acted like a child.
The people he's calling trolls commended Chris for what Chris posted.
They even enhanced what Chris posted so as to be more useful to others.

Meanwhile, iKooks like Alan Browne merely acted like vindictive children.
Again.

The fact is that the reason Apple newsgroups are so childish...
... is the iKooks themselves... act like children.

Everyone else acts like an adult.

On 9/29/23 15:58, Wally J wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
>
>> Chris, you have no respect for the trolls. This will cause them no end
>> of embarrassment.
>
> Adults will notice that Alan Browne acted like a child.
> The people he's calling trolls commended Chris for what Chris posted.
> They even enhanced what Chris posted so as to be more useful to others.
>
> Meanwhile, iKooks like Alan Browne merely acted like vindictive children.
> Again.
>
> The fact is that the reason Apple newsgroups are so childish...
> ... is the iKooks themselves... act like children.
>
> Everyone else acts like an adult.

Agreed, the aggression came from nowhere.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-09-29 13:51, Chris wrote:
>>
>> Given the high profile news about the iphone 12, it's interesting to
>> note that Apple aren't alone in having released phones that have failed
>> french RF testing.
>
> <snipped>
>
>> And, I just noticed, that of yesterday the iphone 12 with iOS 17.0.1 is
>> now compliant:
>> https://data.anfr.fr/explore/dataset/das-telephonie-mobile?sort=-date_pr%C3%A9l%C3%A8vement&refine.marque=APPLE
>
> Chris, you have no respect for the trolls. This will cause them no end
> of embarrassment.
>
> QUOTE
> *ROTFLSTC*
> The French authorities used multiple institutes and other authorities
> have no say in France and Europe.
> ENDQUOTE by Jörg Lorenz
>
> QUOTE
> Apple has a clear order by the French authorities to rectify the issue
> within 2 weeks.
> ENDQUOTE by Jörg Lorenz
>
> QUOTE
> The order of European authorities based on law are non-negotiable.
> Americans and especially the Fanboys in this group have enormous pain
> to accept that fact.
> ENDQUOTE by Jörg Lorenz
>
> Hmm - doesn't look like Apple rectified anything. They did tell ANFR to
> test properly.
>
>> Full report here:
>> https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM054210042/1-6460_23-30-03.pdf
>
> Skimmed it - you can see on page 25 that it was tested by Cetecom
> Advanced in Germany between 23 and 27 Sept. this year and the client is
> ANFR (page 1).

As was the original test.

> So I guess Apple told them to head in and test correctly.

Or between iOS 14.7.1 and 17.0.1 Apple implemented a change.

Or the random variability between iphones is such that when picking two
different ones one will pass and the other fails.

On 2023-09-30 03:56, Chris wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-09-29 13:51, Chris wrote:
>>>
>>> Given the high profile news about the iphone 12, it's interesting to
>>> note that Apple aren't alone in having released phones that have failed
>>> french RF testing.
>>
>> <snipped>
>>
>>> And, I just noticed, that of yesterday the iphone 12 with iOS 17.0.1 is
>>> now compliant:
>>> https://data.anfr.fr/explore/dataset/das-telephonie-mobile?sort=-date_pr%C3%A9l%C3%A8vement&refine.marque=APPLE
>>
>> Chris, you have no respect for the trolls. This will cause them no end
>> of embarrassment.
>>
>> QUOTE
>> *ROTFLSTC*
>> The French authorities used multiple institutes and other authorities
>> have no say in France and Europe.
>> ENDQUOTE by Jörg Lorenz
>>
>> QUOTE
>> Apple has a clear order by the French authorities to rectify the issue
>> within 2 weeks.
>> ENDQUOTE by Jörg Lorenz
>>
>> QUOTE
>> The order of European authorities based on law are non-negotiable.
>> Americans and especially the Fanboys in this group have enormous pain
>> to accept that fact.
>> ENDQUOTE by Jörg Lorenz
>>
>> Hmm - doesn't look like Apple rectified anything. They did tell ANFR to
>> test properly.
>>
>>> Full report here:
>>> https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM054210042/1-6460_23-30-03.pdf
>>
>> Skimmed it - you can see on page 25 that it was tested by Cetecom
>> Advanced in Germany between 23 and 27 Sept. this year and the client is
>> ANFR (page 1).
>
> As was the original test.
(Other than the dates of course).

>
>> So I guess Apple told them to head in and test correctly.
>
> Or between iOS 14.7.1 and 17.0.1 Apple implemented a change.

Possible.

> Or the random variability between iphones is such that when picking two
> different ones one will pass and the other fails.

Test method is very instrumental in outcomes. And if you go through the
report you'll see that it is a very involved process with a non-trivial
test setup such that results from different labs would be very unlikely
to yield the same outcome - even at the same facility.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.