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by: Paul R Schmidtbleich - Sun, 6 Feb 2022 02:14 UTC

*I have c.900 files that tell me there is an upgrade
*I have tumbleweed and therefore command <dup>
*About 15 problems are listed 13 are suggesting I have a new packman
program that is wanting to "upgraded" to and older suse repository
program.
*The Level of change is like ***.1.1.6.2 (Packman) down to ***.1.1.5.1
Suse
*From older versions of OpenSuse, I believe Packman programs were added to
circumvent some of the "hobbling" OpenSuse was "legally" needing to do.
*Only two options (1) Replace "obsolete" **.6.2 packman with **.5.1 suse
OR (2) keep "obsolete" **.6.2 packman

Without going deeper I chose #2 in all 13 cases. What would your advise
have been?

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by: bad sector - Sun, 6 Feb 2022 04:49 UTC

On 2/5/22 21:14, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
> *I have c.900 files that tell me there is an upgrade
> *I have tumbleweed and therefore command <dup>
> *About 15 problems are listed 13 are suggesting I have a new packman
> program that is wanting to "upgraded" to and older suse repository
> program.
> *The Level of change is like ***.1.1.6.2 (Packman) down to ***.1.1.5.1
> Suse
> *From older versions of OpenSuse, I believe Packman programs were added to
> circumvent some of the "hobbling" OpenSuse was "legally" needing to do.
> *Only two options (1) Replace "obsolete" **.6.2 packman with **.5.1 suse
> OR (2) keep "obsolete" **.6.2 packman
>
> Without going deeper I chose #2 in all 13 cases. What would your advise
> have been?

that's what I do too

my advice would be for zypper to respect 'use packman repo' prefs
set up in Yast, which doesn't seem to be the case

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by: Malcolm - Sun, 6 Feb 2022 15:06 UTC

On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 23:49:37 -0500
bad sector <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> wrote:

> On 2/5/22 21:14, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
> > *I have c.900 files that tell me there is an upgrade
> > *I have tumbleweed and therefore command <dup>
> > *About 15 problems are listed 13 are suggesting I have a new
> > packman program that is wanting to "upgraded" to and older suse
> > repository program.
> > *The Level of change is like ***.1.1.6.2 (Packman) down to
> > ***.1.1.5.1 Suse
> > *From older versions of OpenSuse, I believe Packman programs were
> > added to circumvent some of the "hobbling" OpenSuse was "legally"
> > needing to do. *Only two options (1) Replace "obsolete" **.6.2
> > packman with **.5.1 suse OR (2) keep "obsolete" **.6.2 packman
> >
> > Without going deeper I chose #2 in all 13 cases. What would your
> > advise have been?
>
> that's what I do too
>
> my advice would be for zypper to respect 'use packman repo' prefs
> set up in Yast, which doesn't seem to be the case
>
>
>
Hi
A bad move.... there have been recent changes on the multimedia side
and should let the gstreamer packages change, the number of packages
look familiar (15~16 problems).

As Tumbleweed users it would behoove you to add openSUSE Factory and
Packman Mailing lists to nntp (I use gmane)....

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by: Paul R Schmidtbleich - Mon, 7 Feb 2022 19:14 UTC

On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 09:06:59 -0600, Malcolm wrote:

> On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 23:49:37 -0500 bad sector
> <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> wrote:
>
>> On 2/5/22 21:14, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
>> > *I have c.900 files that tell me there is an upgrade *I have
>> > tumbleweed and therefore command <dup>
>> > *About 15 problems are listed 13 are suggesting I have a new packman
>> > program that is wanting to "upgraded" to and older suse repository
>> > program.
>> > *The Level of change is like ***.1.1.6.2 (Packman) down to
>> > ***.1.1.5.1 Suse *From older versions of OpenSuse, I believe Packman
>> > programs were added to circumvent some of the "hobbling" OpenSuse was
>> > "legally"
>> > needing to do. *Only two options (1) Replace "obsolete" **.6.2
>> > packman with **.5.1 suse OR (2) keep "obsolete" **.6.2 packman
>> >
>> > Without going deeper I chose #2 in all 13 cases. What would your
>> > advise have been?
>>
>> that's what I do too
>>
>> my advice would be for zypper to respect 'use packman repo' prefs set
>> up in Yast, which doesn't seem to be the case
>>
>>
>>
> Hi A bad move.... there have been recent changes on the multimedia side
> and should let the gstreamer packages change, the number of packages
> look familiar (15~16 problems).
>
> As Tumbleweed users it would behoove you to add openSUSE Factory and
> Packman Mailing lists to nntp (I use gmane)....

I would ask: If you allowed, on your installation, the "upgrade" away from
the Packman to the OpenSuse repository (1) Can you still play commercial
DVD movies on Tumbleweed; (2) Can you work with MP3 audio (Move WAV audio
to MP3). These were the things Packman added to my OpenSuse installations
since 10.3
Thanks,
Paul

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by: Carlos E.R. - Mon, 7 Feb 2022 22:13 UTC

On 2022-02-06 03:14, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
> *I have c.900 files that tell me there is an upgrade
> *I have tumbleweed and therefore command <dup>
> *About 15 problems are listed 13 are suggesting I have a new packman
> program that is wanting to "upgraded" to and older suse repository
> program.
> *The Level of change is like ***.1.1.6.2 (Packman) down to ***.1.1.5.1
> Suse
> *From older versions of OpenSuse, I believe Packman programs were added to
> circumvent some of the "hobbling" OpenSuse was "legally" needing to do.
> *Only two options (1) Replace "obsolete" **.6.2 packman with **.5.1 suse
> OR (2) keep "obsolete" **.6.2 packman
>
> Without going deeper I chose #2 in all 13 cases. What would your advise
> have been?

I agree with Malcolm fully, do the zypper dup as it wants.

--
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by: Malcolm - Mon, 7 Feb 2022 22:58 UTC

On 7 Feb 2022 19:14:38 GMT
Paul R Schmidtbleicher <paulrs@foxinternet.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 09:06:59 -0600, Malcolm wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 23:49:37 -0500 bad sector
> > <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/5/22 21:14, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
> >> > *I have c.900 files that tell me there is an upgrade *I have
> >> > tumbleweed and therefore command <dup>
> >> > *About 15 problems are listed 13 are suggesting I have a new
> >> > packman program that is wanting to "upgraded" to and older suse
> >> > repository program.
> >> > *The Level of change is like ***.1.1.6.2 (Packman) down to
> >> > ***.1.1.5.1 Suse *From older versions of OpenSuse, I believe
> >> > Packman programs were added to circumvent some of the "hobbling"
> >> > OpenSuse was "legally"
> >> > needing to do. *Only two options (1) Replace "obsolete" **.6.2
> >> > packman with **.5.1 suse OR (2) keep "obsolete" **.6.2 packman
> >> >
> >> > Without going deeper I chose #2 in all 13 cases. What would your
> >> > advise have been?
> >>
> >> that's what I do too
> >>
> >> my advice would be for zypper to respect 'use packman repo' prefs
> >> set up in Yast, which doesn't seem to be the case
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > Hi A bad move.... there have been recent changes on the multimedia
> > side and should let the gstreamer packages change, the number of
> > packages look familiar (15~16 problems).
> >
> > As Tumbleweed users it would behoove you to add openSUSE Factory and
> > Packman Mailing lists to nntp (I use gmane)....
>
> I would ask: If you allowed, on your installation, the "upgrade" away
> from the Packman to the OpenSuse repository (1) Can you still play
> commercial DVD movies on Tumbleweed; (2) Can you work with MP3 audio
> (Move WAV audio to MP3). These were the things Packman added to my
> OpenSuse installations since 10.3
> Thanks,
> Paul
Hi
Yes, that's the whole point of the gstreamer changes, again, explained
on the Factory and Project Mailing lists about why and the impact....
https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/565863-2022-Changes-to-Gstreamer-and-Pipewire-packages-from-Packman

Nothing to do with libdvdcss2 (which hasn't changed in awhile, I just
rebuild the src rpm locally). Don't see why wav to mp3 won't work...
mp3 has been free for a long time....

--
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by: Carlos E.R. - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 18:38 UTC

On 2022-02-07 20:14, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 09:06:59 -0600, Malcolm wrote:
>> On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 23:49:37 -0500 bad sector <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> wrote:
>>> On 2/5/22 21:14, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
>>>> *I have c.900 files that tell me there is an upgrade *I have
>>>> tumbleweed and therefore command <dup>
>>>> *About 15 problems are listed 13 are suggesting I have a new packman
>>>> program that is wanting to "upgraded" to and older suse repository
>>>> program.
>>>> *The Level of change is like ***.1.1.6.2 (Packman) down to
>>>> ***.1.1.5.1 Suse *From older versions of OpenSuse, I believe Packman
>>>> programs were added to circumvent some of the "hobbling" OpenSuse was
>>>> "legally"
>>>> needing to do. *Only two options (1) Replace "obsolete" **.6.2
>>>> packman with **.5.1 suse OR (2) keep "obsolete" **.6.2 packman
>>>>
>>>> Without going deeper I chose #2 in all 13 cases. What would your
>>>> advise have been?
>>>
>>> that's what I do too
>>>
>>> my advice would be for zypper to respect 'use packman repo' prefs set
>>> up in Yast, which doesn't seem to be the case
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Hi A bad move.... there have been recent changes on the multimedia side
>> and should let the gstreamer packages change, the number of packages
>> look familiar (15~16 problems).
>>
>> As Tumbleweed users it would behoove you to add openSUSE Factory and
>> Packman Mailing lists to nntp (I use gmane)....
>
> I would ask: If you allowed, on your installation, the "upgrade" away from
> the Packman to the OpenSuse repository (1) Can you still play commercial
> DVD movies on Tumbleweed; (2) Can you work with MP3 audio (Move WAV audio
> to MP3). These were the things Packman added to my OpenSuse installations
> since 10.3

The changes are to packages that do not really need to be built by
packman, nothing proprietary or restricted about them. Moving them out
of packman into openSUSE OBS frees computing power resources which
packman needs.

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Subject	Author
Upgrade advice	Paul R Schmidtbleicher
Re: Upgrade advice	bad sector
Re: Upgrade advice	Malcolm
Re: Upgrade advice	Paul R Schmidtbleicher
Re: Upgrade advice	Malcolm
Re: Upgrade advice	Carlos E.R.
Re: Upgrade advice	Carlos E.R.