Forgive my ignorance:

I guess you can't have debug.init.B21 and ORCADebugger both installed in the System.Setup folder?

Does the app GSBug coexist peacefully with the init version?

On 2022-10-18 17:10:02 +0000, Tom Thumb said:

> I guess you can't have debug.init.B21 and ORCADebugger both installed
> in the System.Setup folder?

You should be able to have the GSBug and ORCA/Debugger inits both
installed. They essentially do different things, since GSBug is an
assembly-level debugger and ORCA/Debugger is a source-level debugger
for use with the compiled ORCA languages (ORCA/C, ORCA/Pascal,
ORCA/Modula-2).

Also, note that debug.init.B21 isn't quite the latest version. It is
GSBug 1.6b21, but there is an GSBug 1.6 final, available here:

https://mirrors.apple2.org.za/apple.cabi.net/Languages.Programming/GSBUG16.SHK

--
Stephen Heumann

On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 1:35:07 PM UTC-7, stephen...@gmail.com wrote:
> Also, note that debug.init.B21 isn't quite the latest version. It is
> GSBug 1.6b21, but there is an GSBug 1.6 final, available here:

Do you know if the full manual got released into the public domain? The tutorial in the archive says the 140-page manual was available from Resource Central, and I don't know if the rights were transferred. I haven't spotted it online.

On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 4:35:07 PM UTC-4, stephen...@gmail.com wrote:
> On 2022-10-18 17:10:02 +0000, Tom Thumb said:
>
> > I guess you can't have debug.init.B21 and ORCADebugger both installed
> > in the System.Setup folder?
> You should be able to have the GSBug and ORCA/Debugger inits both
> installed. They essentially do different things, since GSBug is an
> assembly-level debugger and ORCA/Debugger is a source-level debugger
> for use with the compiled ORCA languages (ORCA/C, ORCA/Pascal,
> ORCA/Modula-2).
>
> Also, note that debug.init.B21 isn't quite the latest version. It is
> GSBug 1.6b21, but there is an GSBug 1.6 final, available here:
>
> https://mirrors.apple2.org.za/apple.cabi.net/Languages.Programming/GSBUG16.SHK
>
> --
> Stephen Heumann

I had a problem with both inits installed, at least with Bernie II The Rescue. I just followed suit on my IIgs and installed only debug.init.B21.

I use Bernie when not at home; it does well but it eats Open-Apple Control Shift Escape as a force quit instead of entering GSBug.

I will check out the link GSBug 1.6 final, thank you.

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 1:00:45 AM UTC-4, fadden wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 1:35:07 PM UTC-7, stephen...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Also, note that debug.init.B21 isn't quite the latest version. It is
> > GSBug 1.6b21, but there is an GSBug 1.6 final, available here:
> Do you know if the full manual got released into the public domain? The tutorial in the archive says the 140-page manual was available from Resource Central, and I don't know if the rights were transferred. I haven't spotted it online.

I found the documentation at:

https://macgui.com/downloads/?file_id=27935

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 5:27:17 AM UTC-7, justliketom...@gmail.com wrote:
> I found the documentation at:
>
> https://macgui.com/downloads/?file_id=27935

Did the download work for you? MacGUI likes to throw errors or silently ignore requests, and then refuse to retry because I've downloaded in the past 3 minutes. I'm never sure if it's just me, the site in general, or something specific about the file I've requested.

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 10:54:26 AM UTC-4, fadden wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 5:27:17 AM UTC-7, justliketom...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I found the documentation at:
> >
> > https://macgui.com/downloads/?file_id=27935
> Did the download work for you? MacGUI likes to throw errors or silently ignore requests, and then refuse to retry because I've downloaded in the past 3 minutes. I'm never sure if it's just me, the site in general, or something specific about the file I've requested.

It's my first experience with MacGUI; my download went okay; it's a large file, 282.6 MB that expands to a 438.1 iso file.

It has a bunch of stuff in it; I'm not sure if it should all be there or not, but I don't see the harm.

fadden wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 5:27:17 AM UTC-7,
> justliketom...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I found the documentation at:
>>
>> https://macgui.com/downloads/?file_id'935
>
> Did the download work for you? MacGUI likes to throw errors or silently
> ignore requests, and then refuse to retry because I've downloaded in the
> past 3 minutes. I'm never sure if it's just me, the site in general, or
> something specific about the file I've requested.
>

Do you use the queue thing to get multiple files in one Zip archive, or do
you get these errors when you download files individually?

If I can find the cause, I'll fix the problem.

--
]DF$
The New Apple II User's Guide:
https://macgui.com/newa2guide/

Tom Thumb <justliketomsthumbsblues@gmail.com> wrote:
…
> I use Bernie when not at home; it does well but it eats Open-Apple
> Control Shift Escape as a force quit instead of entering GSBug.
…

There is a Sheppyware utility to patch that combination to something else
that works in Bernie.

http://www.sheppyware.net/apple-ii-software/gsbug-16-patch-for-bernie.html

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 1:14:37 PM UTC-7, D Finnigan wrote:
> > Did the download work for you? MacGUI likes to throw errors or silently
> > ignore requests, and then refuse to retry because I've downloaded in the
> > past 3 minutes. I'm never sure if it's just me, the site in general, or
> > something specific about the file I've requested.
> >
> Do you use the queue thing to get multiple files in one Zip archive, or do
> you get these errors when you download files individually?

Tried both, neither worked. I tried once before a few months back, with this or another large one, and had the same issue. I've downloaded smaller files successfully. I tested ABM (https://macgui.com/downloads/?file_id=3797) just now and was able to download the file and open it with CiderPress..

I tried the big one just now with the queue and got:

This site can’t be reached
The webpage at https://macgui.com/downloads/?mode=queue&do=fetch might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.
ERR_INVALID_RESPONSE

When I look at the queue again, it's empty.

I'm not sure how to do this with wget, since you need to be logged in to start the download. (I tried it anyway, using the URL on the "download" button, and got a 403:Forbidden.)

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 8:04:05 AM UTC-4, Andrew Roughan wrote:
> Tom Thumb <justliketom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> …
> > I use Bernie when not at home; it does well but it eats Open-Apple
> > Control Shift Escape as a force quit instead of entering GSBug.
> …
>
> There is a Sheppyware utility to patch that combination to something else
> that works in Bernie.
>
> http://www.sheppyware.net/apple-ii-software/gsbug-16-patch-for-bernie.html

Hey, thanks. I went and got that and installed it. Thing is I've been doing 8-bit stuff with Merlin and GSBug won't load those bin files. I have to put a break in the code and run it from basic and it breaks to GSBug okay. I'm just starting to delve into it and I can step through the code and exit okay but next time I run BASIC.System it crashes with a $0201 error, can't allocate memory I think, so I can go through one cycle but have to reboot to go through another.

I don't suppose you've come across this and have a workaround/fix?

On another note I'm having a bit of trouble with ORCA/M. I f I try to run some simple assembly code I'm getting something like: 16:languages language prodos does not exist or sometime language text does not exist. Haven't had a chance to work at it much yet.

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:43:47 PM UTC-4, Tom Thumb wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 8:04:05 AM UTC-4, Andrew Roughan wrote:
> > Tom Thumb <justliketom...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On another note I'm having a bit of trouble with ORCA/M. I f I try to run some simple assembly code I'm getting something like: 16:languages language prodos does not exist or sometime language text does not exist. Haven't had a chance to work at it much yet.

Oh, it's on page 9, SUBTYPE , "change file.asm asm65816"

Thought that was default somewhere and was set, huh

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:54:26 AM UTC-7, fadden wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 5:27:17 AM UTC-7, justliketom...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I found the documentation at:
> >
> > https://macgui.com/downloads/?file_id=27935
> Did the download work for you? [...]

Does anyone know if this APDA CD-ROM is available anywhere else? I never did get MacGUI to work for this particular file. (Tried Firefox on Linux just now.)

fadden <thefadden@gmail.com> writes:

> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:54:26 AM UTC-7, fadden wrote:
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 5:27:17 AM UTC-7, justliketom...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > I found the documentation at:
>> >
>> > https://macgui.com/downloads/?file_id=27935
>> Did the download work for you? [...]
>
> Does anyone know if this APDA CD-ROM is available anywhere else? I never did get MacGUI
> to work for this particular file. (Tried Firefox on Linux just now.)

Firefox 106.0.5 on Linux here and can download it. It did warn me about
"dangerous" content, but I allowed it and it proceeded to download.
This also worked when I tried it at the beginning of this discussion
thread. Not sure what to suggest as to why it doesn't work for you.

--
Jerry jerry+a2 at jpen.ca

Jerry Penner wrote:
> fadden <thefadden@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:54:26 AM UTC-7, fadden wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 5:27:17 AM UTC-7,
>>> justliketom...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > I found the documentation at:
>>> >
>>> > https://macgui.com/downloads/?file_id=27935
>>> Did the download work for you? [...]
>>
>> Does anyone know if this APDA CD-ROM is available anywhere else? I never
>> did get MacGUI
>> to work for this particular file. (Tried Firefox on Linux just now.)
>
> Firefox 106.0.5 on Linux here and can download it. It did warn me about
> "dangerous" content, but I allowed it and it proceeded to download.
> This also worked when I tried it at the beginning of this discussion
> thread. Not sure what to suggest as to why it doesn't work for you.
>

Oh, you just reminded me what the problem is. Mac GUI still serves
downloaded files larger than about 5 MB from an HTTP server. Some web
browsers now will silently abort the download, while others will give an
error message.

I'll bet that's been causing people trouble for the last few years.

Maybe I should switch to using FTP instead to serve files. ;-)

--
]DF$
The New Apple II User's Guide:
https://macgui.com/newa2guide/

fadden wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:54:26 AM UTC-7, fadden wrote:
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 5:27:17 AM UTC-7,
>> justliketom...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > I found the documentation at:
>> >
>> > https://macgui.com/downloads/?file_id=27935
>> Did the download work for you? [...]
>
> Does anyone know if this APDA CD-ROM is available anywhere else? I never
> did get MacGUI to work for this particular file. (Tried Firefox on Linux
> just now.)
>

It's probably your browser refusing to download from an HTTP site.

--
]DF$
The New Apple II User's Guide:
https://macgui.com/newa2guide/

On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 8:43:27 AM UTC-8, D Finnigan wrote:
> It's probably your browser refusing to download from an HTTP site.

Firefox on Linux, and Chrome on Linux on Win10, failed silently.

Internet Explorer 11 on Win7 in a virtual machine worked.

Thanks!

fadden wrote:
> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 8:43:27 AM UTC-8, D Finnigan wrote:
>> It's probably your browser refusing to download from an HTTP site.
>
> Firefox on Linux, and Chrome on Linux on Win10, failed silently.
>
> Internet Explorer 11 on Win7 in a virtual machine worked.
>
> Thanks!
>

And I'll switch over to serving downloads from an HTTPS site. You're not the
first person who has mentioned this problem to me in the past year, so I
have no excuse now.

(Probably no one cares, but the reason why the main Mac GUI site is HTTPS
but downloads are served over HTTP is that for most of the history of the
site, something like 15 years, downloads were served from a different web
server located in a different data center from the main web site. Only in
the past 3 years have these two servers been consolidated into one data
center, and I've just never upgraded to HTTPS for the downloads)

--
]DF$
The New Apple II User's Guide:
https://macgui.com/newa2guide/

D Finnigan wrote:
> fadden wrote:
>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 8:43:27 AM UTC-8, D Finnigan wrote:
>>> It's probably your browser refusing to download from an HTTP site.
>>
>> Firefox on Linux, and Chrome on Linux on Win10, failed silently.
>>
>> Internet Explorer 11 on Win7 in a virtual machine worked.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>
> And I'll switch over to serving downloads from an HTTPS site.

Sic scripsi, sic feci.

Mac GUI Vault downloads are now served from an HTTPs site.