On 7/5/22 20:51, David W. Hodgins wrote:
> Gathering user info is useful for distributions that sell advertising,
> or want
> to be able to brag about how many users they have, but is not needed for a
> community built distribution. All that matters is keeping the community
> satisfied
> so building and maintaining Mageia continues.

Agreed. For me, the Mageia community is the best thing about the distro.

I am an old farmer. I'm not a developer by any stretch of the
imagination, nor am I an especially proficient user. But from my first
gentle attempts to become part of Mageia, I was welcomed wholeheartedly
as a valued member, someone whose concerns and opinions were worth
consideration. And I've learned a LOT over the years.

I strongly suspect that had I gone to one of the bigger, more commercial
distros, the ones that get all the attention and are thus labeled as
more popular, my voice would have been lost in a sea of ordinary users,
to be essentially ignored.

I, for one, work hard at trying to keep the Mageia community just as
welcoming today.

TJ

TJ escreveu:
> On 7/5/22 20:51, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>> Gathering user info is useful for distributions that sell advertising,
>> or want
>> to be able to brag about how many users they have, but is not needed
>> for a
>> community built distribution. All that matters is keeping the
>> community satisfied
>> so building and maintaining Mageia continues.
>
> Agreed. For me, the Mageia community is the best thing about the distro.

I understand you. I felt this when I was using OS/2 in the late 90's and
early 2000's.

Right now I have 3 distributions installed on my computer.
openSUSE is the best distribution. Everything works, looks nice, and
there are a lot of packages. I'm in the Telegram group about the
distribution but I don't have much to do there.

In the Slackware group I answer questions and talk about distribution
directions and other things, people always respond.

I translate Mageia. Here I have what to do in the distribution.

--

Gilberto F da Silva

On 7/5/22 15:44, TJ wrote:
> On 7/5/22 16:43, Gilberto F da Silva wrote:
>> One indication of the loss of interest on the distribution is
>> it appears in position 57 in the distrowatch.
>>
> They didn't ask me. If they had, I would have placed Mageia at the top
> of my personal list, and the bottom, and the middle. Mageia is the only
> distro I need, the only one I use, and the only one I want.
>
> I rarely pay any attention to the "Top XX Widgets in 20XX" type of list.
> I don't want what's popular, I want what gets the job done - for me.
>
> TJ

You can submit your own reviews to Distrowatch if you love your
distribution so much. At PCLinuxOS Forum we remind people of such
matters once or twice a year.

bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS,
the Perfect Computer Linux Operating System(for me),
and a minor case of hypergraphia.

--
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 10:52:42 -0400, Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> You can submit your own reviews to Distrowatch if you love your
> distribution so much. At PCLinuxOS Forum we remind people of such
> matters once or twice a year.

Or you can choose to ignore distrowatch and just get on with doing stuff that
matters. :-)

Regards, Dave Hodgins

On 7/5/2022 4:49 PM, red floyd wrote:
> On 7/5/2022 1:59 PM, Gilberto F da Silva wrote:
>> David W. Hodgins escreveu:
>>> On Tue, 05 Jul 2022 11:23:41 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
>>> <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> William Unruh escreveu:
>>>>> You could try Network Manager or even the systemd networking tools.
>>>>> Unfortunately I can give no guidance on those.
>>>>
>>>>      I have two other distributions installed on this computer.
>>>>
>>>>      In Slackware 15 all I have to do to access the wifi network is
>>>> click on
>>>> the network icon, choose the network and provide the password. In the
>>>> previous version I needed to give permissions to the rc.networkmanager
>>>> file but the knowledge about Slackware doesn't help to solve the
>>>> problem
>>>> with the Mageia distribution as Slackware doesn't use systemd.
>>>>
>>>>      openSUSE Tumbleweed uses systemd but I don't need to go into
>>>> detail
>>>> about how it works. I just need to choose the network and provide the
>>>> password.
>>>>
>>>>      Providing a means of connecting to the internet is one of the most
>>>> basic functions of an operating system. I hoped this was already
>>>> resolved.
>>>
>>> You should probably try a Mageia 8 gnome live iso to see if that works
>>> properly
>>> in your situation. Gnome uses networkmanager by default rather then
>>> drakx-net.
>>>
>>
>> I used the instructions here:
>> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/switching_to_NETWARKMANAGER Link indicated by
>> Marja Van Waes. Now the wireless connection is working.
>>
>
> Corrected link:  https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Switching_to_networkmanager
>
>

Dammit, I followed the instructions there, and I nuked my installation.
It boots up, but I get a black screen on boot. Any ideas on how to recover?

On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 17:19:34 -0400, red floyd <no.spam.here@its.invalid> wrote:
> Dammit, I followed the instructions there, and I nuked my installation.
> It boots up, but I get a black screen on boot. Any ideas on how to recover?

Something else must have been changed too.

Boot to run level 3 (aka multi-user.target) by editing the kernel parameters at
boot. Append " 3" (without the quotes) and remove (if present) the options splash
and quiet.

Login and try startx. If that fails check "journalctl -b --no-h" for messages
indicating what's failing.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

On 7/7/2022 3:34 PM, David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 17:19:34 -0400, red floyd <no.spam.here@its.invalid>
> wrote:
>> Dammit, I followed the instructions there, and I nuked my installation.
>> It boots up, but I get a black screen on boot.  Any ideas on how to
>> recover?
>
> Something else must have been changed too.
>
> Boot to run level 3 (aka multi-user.target) by editing the kernel
> parameters at
> boot. Append " 3" (without the quotes) and remove (if present) the
> options splash
> and quiet.
>
> Login and try startx. If that fails check "journalctl -b --no-h" for
> messages
> indicating what's failing.
>

That works. So it's something in the runlevel 5 stuff in systemd.
Dammit, I wish for sysvinit because then I could debug it without help.

On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 01:52:19 -0400, red floyd <no.spam.here@its.invalid> wrote:
> That works. So it's something in the runlevel 5 stuff in systemd.
> Dammit, I wish for sysvinit because then I could debug it without help.

That means it's sddm or whichever display manager is being used.

As root, "journalctl -b -1 --no-h" should show the journal from the boot
where it failed to start the display manager. Use -2 or -3 if you've booted
more than once since the failed display manager startup.

There should be something to indicate why it failed.

Once you get used to it systemd is better for debugging. Info from early in the
boot is not lost like it was with sysvinit and things work in a much more
consistent way.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 10:52:42 -0400, Bobbie Sellers
> <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>>     You can submit your own reviews to Distrowatch if you love your
>> distribution so much.  At PCLinuxOS Forum we remind people of such
>> matters once or twice a year.
>
> Or you can choose to ignore distrowatch and just get on with doing stuff
> that
> matters. :-)
>
> Regards, Dave Hodgins

The amount of users matters. More users are more people to test and
report errors and even contribute some work to distribution.

--

Gilberto F da Silva

On Sat, 09 Jul 2022 23:33:45 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
> The amount of users matters. More users are more people to test and
> report errors and even contribute some work to distribution.

Perhaps, but getting users to vote for a distro on distrowatch is just making more
money for the company that runs distrowatch. It doesn't help the distro.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 10:52:42 -0400, Bobbie Sellers
> <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>>     You can submit your own reviews to Distrowatch if you love your
>> distribution so much.  At PCLinuxOS Forum we remind people of such
>> matters once or twice a year.
>
> Or you can choose to ignore distrowatch and just get on with doing stuff
> that
> matters. :-)
>
> Regards, Dave Hodgins

The amount of users matters. More users are more people to test and
report errors and even contribute some work to distribution.

--

Gilberto F da Silva

David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Jul 2022 10:32:17 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
> <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>>     The whole Mageia has languished . The Brazilian Portuguese Mageia
>> mailing list has not received any messages for years. I can only get
>> some help in English.
>
> I strongly disagree that the whole of Mageia has languished. Security
> and bugfix
> updates for Mageia 8 continue. Cauldron continues to be updated in
> preparation for
> what will be Mageia 9.
>
> There are known problems with drakx-net in some situations where network
> manager
> or systemd-network work better, while in other situations drakx-net
> works better
> then network manager. They each have their strengths and weaknesses.
>
> As to translations, if there are problems with Brazilian Portuguese, please
> consider joining the translation team to help out. As an English only
> person
> I can't help with that.

The configuration of its location indicates Canada. Canada is a
bilingual country, I believed you spoke French as well.

--

Gilberto F da Silva

David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Jul 2022 20:08:42 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
> <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
>>     They don't ask, just count the clicks. Each of the 100 distributions
>> listed there has its fans. The truth is that there is no objective and
>> reliable way to know the amount of users of each distribution.
>
> Especially with Mageia. There is no "phone home" function built in to
> Mageia that
> gathers user's info about the number or type of installs. We
> intentionally do not
> try to collect statistics on the user base.

I've tried several times to use Debian but I can't like him. However it
has something I believe would be useful if other distributions
implemented. This is the contest software. It creates statistics on the
use of distribution software.

--

Gilberto F da Silva

On 7/10/22 01:45, Gilberto F da Silva wrote:

> I've tried several times to use Debian but I can't like him. However it
> has something I believe would be useful if other distributions
> implemented. This is the contest software. It creates statistics on the
> use of distribution software.

Some years back, I used Debian on an old 32-bit laptop (manufactured in
2005). If I recall correctly, it used WiCD and for WiFi to work on the
laptop, I had to edit a particular file. With all other distros I used
on it until the laptop finally gave out, including (the original)
Mandriva, WiFi worked right out of the box.

Regards.

On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 01:36:19 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
> The configuration of its location indicates Canada. Canada is a
> bilingual country, I believed you spoke French as well.

Growing up in London, Ontario, in the early 1970s we had to take French classes
in grades 7 and 8 (ages 12 and 13). At that time there was a lack of teachers.
The teacher I had taught Parisian French, not Quebecois. Same language, but a
very different dialect.

In Ontario, there's around 15% of the population who are either Francophone or
Bi-lingual. Most of those are in the Eastern part of the province near the border
with Quebec, with the majority in Ottawa.

By time I moved to Montreal at 18, I'd forgotten most of it. In Montreal I lived in
predominately English areas, and worked in a multi-national corporation where all
work was done in English. I was in Montreal for 3 years before moving to Toronto, and
have since returned to London, Ontario.

What French I did learn, I've forgotten in the 40 years since I left Montreal.

When I was using French, I never learned to think in French so was always
translating in my mind, which makes conversations difficult.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

Edward wrote:
> On 7/10/22 01:45, Gilberto F da Silva wrote:
>
>> I've tried several times to use Debian but I can't like him. However it
>> has something I believe would be useful if other distributions
>> implemented. This is the contest software. It creates statistics on the
>> use of distribution software.
>
> Some years back, I used Debian on an old 32-bit laptop (manufactured in
> 2005). If I recall correctly, it used WiCD and for WiFi to work on the
> laptop, I had to edit a particular file. With all other distros I used
> on it until the laptop finally gave out, including (the original)
> Mandriva, WiFi worked right out of the box.

I still have the PowerPack 2010 Mandriva DVD. I recently installed it on
a virtual machine. Since MCC no longer works, there is nothing more
useful than doing with the Mandriva. It was in my plans to buy a
Powepack license annually. The plans had to be aborted as a result of
the closure of the company.

--

Gilberto F da Silva

David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Jul 2022 23:33:45 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
> <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
>> The amount of users matters. More users are more people to test and
>> report errors and even contribute some work to distribution.
>
> Perhaps, but getting users to vote for a distro on distrowatch is just
> making more
> money for the company that runs distrowatch. It doesn't help the distro.
>

I quote DistroWatch because it is the only place known to me that
provides some statistics on the number of users for distributions. I've
seen other people saying they don't like DistroWatch but have not
provided a better alternative even provided an alternative.

--

Gilberto F da Silva

On 7/10/22 10:06, Gilberto F da Silva wrote:
> Edward wrote:
>> On 7/10/22 01:45, Gilberto F da Silva wrote:
>>
>>> I've tried several times to use Debian but I can't like him. However it
>>> has something I believe would be useful if other distributions
>>> implemented. This is the contest software. It creates statistics on the
>>> use of distribution software.
>>
>> Some years back, I used Debian on an old 32-bit laptop (manufactured in
>> 2005). If I recall correctly, it used WiCD and for WiFi to work on the
>> laptop, I had to edit a particular file. With all other distros I used
>> on it until the laptop finally gave out, including (the original)
>> Mandriva, WiFi worked right out of the box.
>
> I still have the PowerPack 2010 Mandriva DVD. I recently installed it on
> a virtual machine. Since MCC no longer works, there is nothing more
> useful than doing with the Mandriva. It was in my plans to buy a
> Powepack license annually. The plans had to be aborted as a result of
> the closure of the company.

My experience was similar but it would not run on the machine i had at
the time. That was Mandrive 2011 PowerPack but then I started my
search for a replacement. I used PCLinuxOS then Mageia and after they
sorted out UEFI business I went back to PCLinuxOS. i decided I prefer
the Rolling Release model of updating. I have still have the 2006n
version which was shipped to me by a friend on a DVD and which I wrote
onto 6 CDs using a Windows XP laptop. I still have most of the
releases between 2006-2011. I could not get help to get the distro
working on my old Compaq/HP built with nVidia and a 4 core AMD machine.

bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS
the Perfect Computer Linus Opeating System(for me),
and a minor case of hypergraphia

--
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 13:18:24 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
> I quote DistroWatch because it is the only place known to me that
> provides some statistics on the number of users for distributions. I've
> seen other people saying they don't like DistroWatch but have not
> provided a better alternative even provided an alternative.

How popular a distribution is according to distrowatch or any other web site has
nothing to do with how many people use the distribution.

Distributions like Mageia that value user privacy make no attempt to collect such
statistics. Since we don't sell advertising we would have no use for the info other
then bragging rights if we did collect it.

The best distribution for a new user is the one used by who ever will be helping
them learn the basics, or selected by word of mouth from people they trust. Once
they've learned the basics and how to handle new installations, their free to choose
for themselves. What I like may or may not be the same as what someone I help get
started will like. The most popular according to distrowatch may not fit with what
that person likes.

In my case I learned the basics on my own starting with asplinux, which I chose
because it could be installed under windows. Once I understood how linux handles
partitions and commands I tried a few distributions before settling on Mandrake
which became Mandriva. When Mageia forked from it I started with it with the
first alpha release, and have been using it since.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 7/10/22 10:06, Gilberto F da Silva wrote:
>> Edward wrote:
>>> On 7/10/22 01:45, Gilberto F da Silva wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've tried several times to use Debian but I can't like him. However it
>>>> has something I believe would be useful if other distributions
>>>> implemented. This is the contest software. It creates statistics on the
>>>> use of distribution software.
>>>
>>> Some years back, I used Debian on an old 32-bit laptop (manufactured in
>>> 2005). If I recall correctly, it used WiCD and for WiFi to work on the
>>> laptop, I had to edit a particular file. With all other distros I used
>>> on it until the laptop finally gave out, including (the original)
>>> Mandriva, WiFi worked right out of the box.
>>
>> I still have the PowerPack 2010 Mandriva DVD. I recently installed it on
>> a virtual machine. Since MCC no longer works, there is nothing more
>> useful than doing with the Mandriva. It was in my plans to buy a
>> Powepack license annually. The plans had to be aborted as a result of
>> the closure of the company.
>
>     My experience was similar but it would not run on the machine i had
> at the time.  That was Mandrive 2011 PowerPack but then I started my
> search for a replacement.  I used PCLinuxOS then Mageia and after they
> sorted out UEFI business I went back to PCLinuxOS.  i decided I prefer
> the Rolling Release model of updating.  I have still have the 2006n
> version which was shipped to me by a friend on a DVD and which I wrote
> onto 6 CDs  using a Windows XP laptop.  I still have most of the
> releases between 2006-2011.  I could not get help to get the distro
> working on my old Compaq/HP built with nVidia and a 4 core AMD machine.
>
>     bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS
>           the Perfect Computer Linus Opeating System(for me),
>                  and a minor case of hypergraphia
>
I currently have 3 distributions on my computer. openSUSE Tumbleweed,
Slackware 15 and Mageia 8. Rolling Release distributions occasionally
have a problem. Packages are discontinued and we are surprised by
something that no longer works. In that case, I start another
distribution to finish my tasks and then come back to try to solve the
problem.

--

Gilberto F da Silva

David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 01:36:19 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
> <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
>> The configuration of its location indicates Canada. Canada is a
>> bilingual country, I believed you spoke French as well.
>
> Growing up in London, Ontario, in the early 1970s we had to take French
> classes
> in grades 7 and 8 (ages 12 and 13). At that time there was a lack of
> teachers.
> The teacher I had taught Parisian French, not Quebecois. Same language,
> but a
> very different dialect.
>
> In Ontario, there's around 15% of the population who are either
> Francophone or
> Bi-lingual. Most of those are in the Eastern part of the province near
> the border
> with Quebec, with the majority in Ottawa.
>
> By time I moved to Montreal at 18, I'd forgotten most of it. In Montreal
> I lived in
> predominately English areas, and worked in a multi-national corporation
> where all
> work was done in English. I was in Montreal for 3 years before moving to
> Toronto, and
> have since returned to London, Ontario.
>
> What French I did learn, I've forgotten in the 40 years since I left
> Montreal.
>
> When I was using French, I never learned to think in French so was always
> translating in my mind, which makes conversations difficult.

This process of thinking about a language and trying to translate, in
addition to being laborious, tends to create wrong sentences. I can
understand texts in English from seeing things written in that language
so much, but I can't write.

--

Gilberto F da Silva

On 7/10/22 12:27, Gilberto F da Silva wrote:
> David W. Hodgins wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 01:36:19 -0400, Gilberto F da Silva
>> <gfs1989@gmx.net> wrote:
>>> The configuration of its location indicates Canada. Canada is a
>>> bilingual country, I believed you spoke French as well.
>>
>> Growing up in London, Ontario, in the early 1970s we had to take French
>> classes
>> in grades 7 and 8 (ages 12 and 13). At that time there was a lack of
>> teachers.
>> The teacher I had taught Parisian French, not Quebecois. Same language,
>> but a
>> very different dialect.
>>
>> In Ontario, there's around 15% of the population who are either
>> Francophone or
>> Bi-lingual. Most of those are in the Eastern part of the province near
>> the border
>> with Quebec, with the majority in Ottawa.
>>
>> By time I moved to Montreal at 18, I'd forgotten most of it. In Montreal
>> I lived in
>> predominately English areas, and worked in a multi-national corporation
>> where all
>> work was done in English. I was in Montreal for 3 years before moving to
>> Toronto, and
>> have since returned to London, Ontario.
>>
>> What French I did learn, I've forgotten in the 40 years since I left
>> Montreal.
>>
>> When I was using French, I never learned to think in French so was always
>> translating in my mind, which makes conversations difficult.
>
> This process of thinking about a language and trying to translate, in
> addition to being laborious, tends to create wrong sentences. I can
> understand texts in English from seeing things written in that language
> so much, but I can't write.
>
>
But you just did a great job on that last paragraph.

bliss - conserving electrons.
--
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

David W. Hodgins wrote on 11/7/22 2:51 am:

<Snip>

> When I was using French, I never learned to think in French so was
> always translating in my mind, which makes conversations difficult.
>
> Regards, Dave Hodgins

Sounds like a good Storyline for a Film, what was it .... 'Firefox'
where Clint Eastwood's character was thought the only person capable of
stealing the latest Russian MIG jet, which was thought controlled and
Clint's character, having been brought up in Russia, thought in Russian!

My languages experience .....

Back in the Post-WWII/Baby Boomer days, my Primary School was short on
for space so, for Grade Six, the boys were sent over the road to the
Secondary School.

In Grade Six, there, we did Introductory Classes in French and Latin
(Yes, they were Roman Catholic schools!!). If you did any good with the
languages, you continued in that stream. Otherwise you did a more
Maths/Science based stream, which I did!

About the only French I remember from Grade Six is counting from One to
Ten .... which has been highly useful to me in life ..... NOT!! ;-P
--
Daniel

Daniel65 escreveu:
> David W. Hodgins wrote on 11/7/22 2:51 am:
>
> <Snip>
>
>> When I was using French, I never learned to think in French so was
>> always translating in my mind, which makes conversations difficult.
>>
>> Regards, Dave Hodgins
>
> Sounds like a good Storyline for a Film, what was it .... 'Firefox'
> where Clint Eastwood's character was thought the only person capable of
> stealing the latest Russian MIG jet, which was thought controlled and
> Clint's character, having been brought up in Russia, thought in Russian!
>

Wow! I also remembered this movie but I didn't remember the name
anymore. The movie is kind of boring but this detail of having to think
directly on the other language was striking. When I write in Esperanto I
try to form the sentences with the words that are already in my
vocabulary. I use Google Translate to check how the translation is to my
native language.

--

Gilberto F da Silva

Daniel65 escreveu:
> David W. Hodgins wrote on 11/7/22 2:51 am:
>
> <Snip>
>
>> When I was using French, I never learned to think in French so was
>> always translating in my mind, which makes conversations difficult.
>>
>> Regards, Dave Hodgins
>
> Sounds like a good Storyline for a Film, what was it .... 'Firefox'
> where Clint Eastwood's character was thought the only person capable of
> stealing the latest Russian MIG jet, which was thought controlled and
> Clint's character, having been brought up in Russia, thought in Russian!
>
> My languages experience .....
>
> Back in the Post-WWII/Baby Boomer days, my Primary School was short on
> for space so, for Grade Six, the boys were sent over the road to the
> Secondary School.
>
> In Grade Six, there, we did Introductory Classes in French and Latin
> (Yes, they were Roman Catholic schools!!). If you did any good with the
> languages, you continued in that stream. Otherwise you did a more
> Maths/Science based stream, which I did!
>
> About the only French I remember from Grade Six is counting from One to
> Ten .... which has been highly useful to me in life ..... NOT!! ;-P

For those born in environments whose English is the language, must
consider the other almost useless languages. Anywhere in the galaxy to
which Enterprise goes, everyone speaks English. Back to land, airlines,
airports, tourist places, technical manuals, data sheets etc is all in
English. For English speakers, other languages are less useful than
their own.

--

Gilberto F da Silva