OIs it possible to play from the DVD player onto my laptop screen? The
player has HDMI outputDIgital Out coaxial, Lan(100) output. My laptop
has dongles for HDMI or lan via the USB-C port. Usually HDMI goes out of
the laptop to a display, but I of course want into to display on the
computer screen. Is that possible?

Hello William!

Friday August 26 2022 17:30, William Unruh wrote to All:

> OIs it possible to play from the DVD player onto my laptop screen? The
> player has HDMI outputDIgital Out coaxial, Lan(100) output. My laptop
> has dongles for HDMI or lan via the USB-C port. Usually HDMI goes out
> of the laptop to a display, but I of course want into to display on
> the computer screen. Is that possible?

On my laptops I just plug in the display to the laptop and it appears
although usually on both.

Vincent

On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 12:30:48 -0400, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:

> OIs it possible to play from the DVD player onto my laptop screen? The
> player has HDMI outputDIgital Out coaxial, Lan(100) output. My laptop
> has dongles for HDMI or lan via the USB-C port. Usually HDMI goes out of
> the laptop to a display, but I of course want into to display on the
> computer screen. Is that possible?

I'd try using the usb-c connection. If it works then you should be able to
play a dvd using vlc or any other video player that works with an optical drive.

Connecting using hdmi or digital isn't likely to work as the ports on the laptop
connect to the motherboard, not the laptop's monitor.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

On 8/26/2022 12:30 PM, William Unruh wrote:
> OIs it possible to play from the DVD player onto my laptop screen? The
> player has HDMI outputDIgital Out coaxial, Lan(100) output. My laptop
> has dongles for HDMI or lan via the USB-C port. Usually HDMI goes out of
> the laptop to a display, but I of course want into to display on the
> computer screen. Is that possible?
>

bdp-s1500

Interface Input and Output Terminals

HDMI Output (1 rear) <=== armed with HDCP bitstream encryption (TV does HDCP)
HDMI has digital audio for the TV set to extract.

Coaxial Audio Output (1 rear) <=== S'PDIF optional audio (plug to AV receiver)

USB Input (1 front) <=== USB stick input for non-Hollywood files

Ethernet Connection (1 rear) <=== police state input (firmware updater)

A biscuit in a basket. If one of the table legs is short,
placing this fine unit under the short table leg, will
steady the table. We can't do deCSS with this.

*******

HDMI output is normally protected with HDCP, and *especially*
when Hollywood content is involved. A BD player uses the
most functional version of HDCP, not the "cracked" version.

This means the bitstream on the HDMI cable is encrypted.
When a naive capture card tries to capture the HDMI stream,
the result is "colored snow".

(The reason these adverts refer to "capturing HDMI from a camera",
is because camera HDMI lacks HDCP and transmission is in plaintext.
Which works for this style of capture. I could take the output of
my Canon point and shoot camera, which has an HDMI, and connect
it to this thing, and it would work. There are a ton of these to
investigate... and read the reviews for hints.)

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1455743-REG/iogear_guv301_hdmi_to_usb_c_video.html/overview

In many adverts, they do not address the lack of HDCP keys on the capture card.
It is illegal to have HDCP keys on such cards, and devices will be stopped
at the border and cannot enter the country, if found that way.

On occasion, people discover the Chinese making devices which
function as "HDCP strippers" and the fun goes on, until the
authorities are informed and shipments stop. There was a certain
"one HDMI in to two HDMI out" active buffering device (not a passive
diff to single ended adapter), which was functioning as an HDCP stripper.
This is good for the "cracked" version of HDCP.

A set top *DVD* player, the $50 kind sold ten years ago, may have a
fairly innocuous version of HDMI output. One of those strippers
would be enough.

A BD set top player (say, 4K capable), the HDMI/HDCP
versions are the "uncracked" ones. There might not be any
stripper at all available for them (dunno, haven't checked).

*******

This topic, may benefit from a BD external 5.25" drive with
USB output.

https://forum.videohelp.com/forums/47-Blu-ray-Ripping

Take a drive like this as an example. You check the reviews,
to get the "juicy details" the manufacturer missed.

https://www.amazon.ca/Computer-International-BW-16D1X-U-Powerful-Blu-ray/dp/B071VP89X1

Question: region free ???
Answer: Sorry, I am not sure about that. But there are
lots of software (such as DVDFab) which can copy all kinds
of discs to your computer whatever region is.

While Linux will have deCSS (libdvdcss) for ripping DVDs from such a player,
I don't know what the status is of FOSS versions of DVDFab
or its ilk for ripping a BD.

*******

Summary: Your mistake was buying that in the first place.
That goes with your TV set... and that's it.

And the absolute worst part of your purchase, is that
STB can receive a firmware update which *disables* the
keys on legally purchased media you own. So maybe a
BD version of "Casino Royale" stops playing. Whereas if you
used a separate drive and ripped the media, you would still
have the content. This rewards people who insist on buying
legit stuff, by having it stop working on them. Even if the STB
stops playing a title, save the disc in case you have other
optical drives at your disposal.

Paul

On 2022-08-26, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 12:30:48 -0400, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>> OIs it possible to play from the DVD player onto my laptop screen? The
>> player has HDMI outputDIgital Out coaxial, Lan(100) output. My laptop
>> has dongles for HDMI or lan via the USB-C port. Usually HDMI goes out of
>> the laptop to a display, but I of course want into to display on the
>> computer screen. Is that possible?
>
> I'd try using the usb-c connection. If it works then you should be able to
> play a dvd using vlc or any other video player that works with an optical drive.
>
> Connecting using hdmi or digital isn't likely to work as the ports on the laptop
> connect to the motherboard, not the laptop's monitor.

My computer only has usbc ports, no hdmi, no usb-A, no vga, no digital.
But I have a usb-c to hdmi dongle. I will try it, but I guess I am not
terribly hopeful. Right now I have t otry to find a power cable-- this
sone uses a weird power inlet-- it has two wire posts inside a circular
inlet.

>
> Regards, Dave Hodgins

On 2022-08-26, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> On 8/26/2022 12:30 PM, William Unruh wrote:
>> OIs it possible to play from the DVD player onto my laptop screen? The
>> player has HDMI outputDIgital Out coaxial, Lan(100) output. My laptop
>> has dongles for HDMI or lan via the USB-C port. Usually HDMI goes out of
>> the laptop to a display, but I of course want into to display on the
>> computer screen. Is that possible?
>>
>
<text removed that says-- "there is no way this will work".>

> Summary: Your mistake was buying that in the first place.
> That goes with your TV set... and that's it.

Ah well. Fortunately I did not buy it. A friend gave it to me. So not
only is the power plug a highly non-standard one, the whole system is.
Can it still play DVDs?

On 8/27/2022 9:12 AM, William Unruh wrote:
> On 2022-08-26, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>> On 8/26/2022 12:30 PM, William Unruh wrote:
>>> OIs it possible to play from the DVD player onto my laptop screen? The
>>> player has HDMI outputDIgital Out coaxial, Lan(100) output. My laptop
>>> has dongles for HDMI or lan via the USB-C port. Usually HDMI goes out of
>>> the laptop to a display, but I of course want into to display on the
>>> computer screen. Is that possible?
>>>
>>
> <text removed that says-- "there is no way this will work".>
>
>> Summary: Your mistake was buying that in the first place.
>> That goes with your TV set... and that's it.
>
> Ah well. Fortunately I did not buy it. A friend gave it to me. So not
> only is the power plug a highly non-standard one, the whole system is.
> Can it still play DVDs?
>

It should be able to play a DVD. But the manufacturer specs are
of no use to us, whatsoever.

https://www.sony.com/en-ae/electronics/blu-ray-disc-players/bdp-s1500/specifications

Blueray drives, the ones you buy for ~$100 or so and
fit into a desktop 5.25" hole, those have three lasers:

CD laser
DVD laser
BD laser (blue)

While it would be possible to make a drive with only
the blue laser, I don't think they do it that way.

The laser while playing, also needs to focus at
different depths in the optical media. Discs can be
up to quad layer. DVD would be two layers (typical
for Hollywood media you buy at the store). There might be
a slight hesitation at a layer break, as the laser assembly
does something.

*******

The manual is very good at the salient details, all except
naming the power adapter part number.

https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/res/manuals/4549/45497953M.pdf

DC IN: BDP-S1500: 12 V DC, 600 mA (Adapter uses 8.8 W from wall, 110V-240V)

Blu-ray Disc*1 BD-ROM
BD-R Ver 1.1,1.2,1.3 including organic pigment (LTH type)
BD-RE Ver 2.1
DVD*3 DVD-ROM
DVD-R/DVD-RW
DVD+R/DVD+RW
CD*3 CD-DA (Music CD)
CD-ROM
CD-R/CD-RW

Discs that cannot be played
BDs with cartridge
BDXLs
DVD-RAMs
HD DVDs
DVD Audio discs
PHOTO CDs
Data part of CD-Extras
Super VCDs
Audio material side on DualDiscs

Your player has a region code printed on the rear of the unit and will only play
BD-ROMs/DVD VIDEOs labeled with identical region codes or ALL .

DVD BD
??? ??? <=== field filled at manufacture

MPEG1, MPEG2, Xvid, MPEG4/AVC, VC1, WMV9, MJPEG, RealVideo
Music includes MP3 and FLAC, as well as others.
And even pictures with JPEG, PNG, GIF, MPO

*******

The adapter replacement shown here, looks like a barrel power
plug on the end. "Adaptaplugs" come in at least fifteen
different sizes, and the RadioShack at the mall used to have
a "string tree" with AdaptaPlugs so you could figure out
if yours was an "N" or an "M" kind of thing. I don't know if
"The Source" store still has the Adaptaplug tree on the wall
or not.

https://www.amazon.ca/Adapter-BDP-S1500-BDPS1500-Blu-ray-Charger/dp/B015SDDDXE

The polarity of the plug is also important. They can be
center (+) or center (-) type. Sometimes, there is a raised
plastic lettering near the plug insertion point. This
can be hard to make out sometimes.

If you zoom in on this, you can see the details. Yellow colored barrel plug.
I guess that's "center plus" for polarity. There is more than one barrel
with yellow plastic, so the color code is not sufficient.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/wjoAAOSwYcRe0K-q/s-l1600.jpg

( https://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-Supply-Charger-for-Sony-BDP-S1500-BDP-S3500-BDP-S5500-Blu-Ray-Disc-Player/253069408158 )

When you used to try the Adaptaplug "tree" at the RadioShack,
sometimes two plugs would fit the hole, one being closer to
an interference fit than the other. It's possible two of the
plugs have different barrel lengths but are otherwise similar.
Working with these is a hell-on-earth, especially if you buy
a multi-adapter and it has the two pin mating thing on the back,
and rotating it 180 degrees causes THE WRONG POLARITY.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial_power_connector

If you buy the exact adapter for the item, all of this
"hobbyist info" is not needed.

Paul