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* Printing with CUPSThe Real Bev
+* Re: Printing with CUPSThe Real Bev
|`* Re: Printing with CUPSRinaldi
| `- Re: Printing with CUPSEli the Bearded
+* Re: Printing with CUPSAndreas Kohlbach
|`- Re: Printing with CUPSThe Real Bev
+- Re: Printing with CUPSJohn Forkosh
+* Re: Printing with CUPSAnssi Saari
|`* Re: Printing with CUPSThe Real Bev
| `- Re: Printing with CUPSdillinger
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Subject: Printing with CUPS
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 by: The Real Bev - Mon, 14 Jun 2021 19:03 UTC

EVERYTHING has always printed too light, although whatever I can see (or
guess) about print quality does NOT specify 'light' or 'toner-saving' .
Brother HL2170W, cheap laser printer. The HTML manual shows nothing
for density, toner, or anything else I could think of that might be
relevant. I've run through three toner cartridges since 2009 when I
bought it. I just emailed Brother, but have no idea when/if they will
respond. All I want to do is print NORMAL density.

Help!

--
Cheers, Bev
"I used to be convinced that MicroSquish shipped crap because they
simply didn't give a flying fuck as long as the sheep kept buying
their shit. Now, I'm convinced that they really do ship the best
products they are capable of writing, and *that's* tragic."
- John C. Randolph, about MS quality control.

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 by: The Real Bev - Mon, 14 Jun 2021 19:12 UTC

On 06/14/2021 12:03 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> EVERYTHING has always printed too light, although whatever I can see (or
> guess) about print quality does NOT specify 'light' or 'toner-saving' .
> Brother HL2170W, cheap laser printer. The HTML manual shows nothing
> for density, toner, or anything else I could think of that might be
> relevant. I've run through three toner cartridges since 2009 when I
> bought it. I just emailed Brother, but have no idea when/if they will
> respond. All I want to do is print NORMAL density.
>
> Help!

Addendum -- hubby prints from a different slackware 14.2 (he's updated
his more recently than mine) machine using lpr with just font and page
size specifications. Same problem.

--
Cheers, Bev
I'd rather trust the guys in the lab coats who aren't demanding
that I get up early on Sundays to apologize for being human.
-- Captain Splendid

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 by: Rinaldi - Mon, 14 Jun 2021 20:19 UTC

On 6/14/21 2:12 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 06/14/2021 12:03 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> EVERYTHING has always printed too light, although whatever I can see (or
>> guess) about print quality does NOT specify 'light' or 'toner-saving' .
>>    Brother HL2170W, cheap laser printer.  The HTML manual shows nothing
>> for density, toner, or anything else I could think of that might be
>> relevant.  I've run through three toner cartridges since 2009 when I
>> bought it.  I just emailed Brother, but have no idea when/if they will
>> respond.  All I want to do is print NORMAL density.
>>
>> Help!
>
> Addendum -- hubby prints from a different slackware 14.2 (he's updated
> his more recently than mine) machine using lpr with just font and page
> size specifications.  Same problem.
>
I also have a Brother (MFC-J4510DW). Seldom used. Test page printed
through Cups with no problems.

Historically I have had to run the print head cleaning program several
times to get the print quality up to par. On my machine this is done
through the printer's info window, tool settings. It's annoyingly
missing from the printer's http interface.

Rinaldi

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 by: Andreas Kohlbach - Mon, 14 Jun 2021 20:50 UTC

On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:03:57 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>
> EVERYTHING has always printed too light, although whatever I can see
> (or guess) about print quality does NOT specify 'light' or
> 'toner-saving' . Brother HL2170W, cheap laser printer. The HTML
> manual shows nothing for density, toner, or anything else I could
> think of that might be relevant. I've run through three toner
> cartridges since 2009 when I bought it. I just emailed Brother, but
> have no idea when/if they will respond. All I want to do is print
> NORMAL density.

Does this happen in other OSes (Windows,Mac) too? If it's probably a
hardware problem.
--
Andreas

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 by: Eli the Bearded - Mon, 14 Jun 2021 20:50 UTC

In comp.os.linux.misc, Rinaldi <rm@nunya.inv> wrote:
> On 6/14/21 2:12 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 06/14/2021 12:03 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> EVERYTHING has always printed too light, although whatever I can see (or
>>> guess) about print quality does NOT specify 'light' or 'toner-saving'.
>>> Brother HL2170W, cheap laser printer. The HTML manual shows nothing
>>> for density, toner, or anything else I could think of that might be
>>> relevant. I've run through three toner cartridges since 2009 when I
>>> bought it.

First off, have you tried changing paper? Different paper from a
different company?

I've had good luck with Brother laser printers, but what they can do and
what is easily documented are two different things. That one sounds
pretty old, so tricks the new ones can do might not work on that one.
The Brother printers I have have a web server built in which can change
some settings. Figure out it's IP address and go to it in a browser,
either on port 80 or port 631. Default account is "admin" / "access" for
the model I have here.

For "too light" printing I might select the default paper to be heavier
if there is nothing more obviously appropriate.

> I also have a Brother (MFC-J4510DW). Seldom used. Test page printed
> through Cups with no problems.

That's an inkjet printer. Inkjet problems are different than laser
problems.

> Historically I have had to run the print head cleaning program several

For example, there's no "print head" on a laser. There's a laser and
there's a drum.

Rough run down of how a laser printer works and how that could
contribute to "light" printing:

1. Laser writes on drum. Bad laser (wearing out with age) or bad
drum (ditto) or dirt (toner) on optics could make the image not
register as strongly as it should on drum. I know you can replace
drum and laser, I don't know where the optics are to clean them
on these printers.

2. Toner gets transfered to drum by electrostactic forces. Wrong
toner can get more or less transfered. Bad corotron wires (the one
in my printer has a little slider to clean it) can cause the
electrostactic charge to be transfered in correctly (unlikely).
If you are using the "proper" toner carts, wrong toner is not
likely an issue. I have seen problems with refilled carts.

3. The drum presses the toner into the paper to transfer it (bad
roller pressure will could cause problems, but "light" print seems
an unlikely fault). Paper not meant for laser printing might not
"take" the toner off the drum well however.

4. The fuser melts the toner into the paper. Bad fusers usually result
in toner that can smudge, rather printing that is light.

If you can't figure out a fix, getting a new printer might be cheaper
than replacing the laser / drum. Cost of replacement parts versus cost
of new has been my reason for replacing my printers.

Of course, living the with the problem is cheaper still.

Elijah
------
has bought four or five Brother printers since 2009

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 by: The Real Bev - Mon, 14 Jun 2021 21:49 UTC

On 06/14/2021 01:50 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:03:57 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>> EVERYTHING has always printed too light, although whatever I can see
>> (or guess) about print quality does NOT specify 'light' or
>> 'toner-saving' . Brother HL2170W, cheap laser printer. The HTML
>> manual shows nothing for density, toner, or anything else I could
>> think of that might be relevant. I've run through three toner
>> cartridges since 2009 when I bought it. I just emailed Brother, but
>> have no idea when/if they will respond. All I want to do is print
>> NORMAL density.
>
> Does this happen in other OSes (Windows,Mac) too? If it's probably a
> hardware problem.

Heretofore I had only used it with windows for printing out tax forms,
which is totally controlled by the tax software. I just connected the
windows 7 machine and created a document with libreoffice. Seems to be
the same, and I see no difference between pages printed at 1200dpi and
600dpi; the linux page only printed in 300dpi, but there's no
difference in apparent darkness.

Feh. I really like the printer except for this...

I've used different papers over the years. I once cleaned the drum and
wire. I shook the toner container. I've run test sheets. All the
usual crap.

The Brother guy suggested a different driver -- the one I'm using is for
an HP and may have been the only one that worked back in 2009. I have a
2011 file named HL2170W.ppd in my root directory, but it doesn't show up
in the CUPS menu system. I'm reluctant to change ANYTHING with CUPS --
I seem to remember having a really hard time getting it to work at all
Way Back When. I can't deal cleanly with .deb or .rpm files, so I asked
the Brother guy if this was the proper driver and if I needed to move it
somewhere.

Weird stuff happens with my computer that's not supposed to happen, so I
have a bad case of gun-shyness...

--
Cheers, Bev
"If you watch TV news, you know less about the world than
if you just drank gin straight from the bottle."
- Garrison Keillor

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 by: John Forkosh - Tue, 15 Jun 2021 04:02 UTC

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> EVERYTHING has always printed too light, although whatever I can see (or
> guess) about print quality does NOT specify 'light' or 'toner-saving' .
> Brother HL2170W, cheap laser printer. The HTML manual shows nothing
> for density, toner, or anything else I could think of that might be
> relevant. I've run through three toner cartridges since 2009 when I
> bought it. I just emailed Brother, but have no idea when/if they will
> respond. All I want to do is print NORMAL density.
>
> Help!

I had a similar problem (with a more recent Brother HL-L2395DW)
that I posted about here (or maybe a different ng) some time back.
Still don't have a bona fide solution, but did find a fix:

Try printing a pdf directly from firefox, i.e., have firefox
use its own pdf reader and then click File/Print. Now open the
same file in okular and print it from there. See any difference???
For me, typically using okular, density was way too light.
But firefox printed really nice and dark. Go figure.

Several people responded to my earlier post (if you can find it),
suggesting several explanations, e.g., firefox created a bitmap
image and printed that, rather than using the document's fonts.
And that seems likely right: I subsequently tried "print to file"
from both firefox and okular, and the firefox file was like five
times the size of the okular file. So I still can't get okular to
print how I'd like, but I can get darker print when needed.

Anyway, the problem >>wasn't<< cups. At least it wasn't my problem.
But you mention checking "toner save" on cups. Point your browser
to the printer's "homepage" as well, and check all its internal
settings. That wasn't any part of my problem, but you might as
well check all that stuff, too.
--
John Forkosh ( mailto: j@f.com where j=john and f=forkosh )

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 by: Anssi Saari - Tue, 15 Jun 2021 05:04 UTC

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> writes:

> EVERYTHING has always printed too light, although whatever I can see
> (or guess) about print quality does NOT specify 'light' or
> 'toner-saving' . Brother HL2170W, cheap laser printer. The HTML
> manual shows nothing for density, toner, or anything else I could
> think of that might be relevant.

What about a setting for density? For me with a cheap old Laserjet
P1102, there are five levels of density, settable right in the Linux
print dialog under the advanced tab. I think Windows hides the same
setting somewhere deeper in printer settings but I'm not sure I remember
correctly.

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 by: The Real Bev - Wed, 16 Jun 2021 06:09 UTC

On 06/14/2021 10:04 PM, Anssi Saari wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> EVERYTHING has always printed too light, although whatever I can see
>> (or guess) about print quality does NOT specify 'light' or
>> 'toner-saving' . Brother HL2170W, cheap laser printer. The HTML
>> manual shows nothing for density, toner, or anything else I could
>> think of that might be relevant.
>
> What about a setting for density? For me with a cheap old Laserjet
> P1102, there are five levels of density, settable right in the Linux
> print dialog under the advanced tab. I think Windows hides the same
> setting somewhere deeper in printer settings but I'm not sure I remember
> correctly.

The Brother guy said to try the official HL2170.ppd driver, which
resulted in no printing at all. I printed something with libreoffice
under windows 7, with the same light result. 'Toner save" is off
according to the CUPS setting. I suspect that the HP driver was the
only one that worked when I installed it, and maybe the same for windows
7. I give up.

It would be nice to have a printer with a scanner anyway. I still like
Brother, even if this one had problems -- it worked well enough since
2009.

--
Cheers, Bev
Some mornings it's just not worth chewing through the straps.

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 by: dillinger - Wed, 16 Jun 2021 17:13 UTC

On 6/16/21 8:09 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 06/14/2021 10:04 PM, Anssi Saari wrote:
>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> EVERYTHING has always printed too light, although whatever I can see
>>> (or guess) about print quality does NOT specify 'light' or
>>> 'toner-saving' . Brother HL2170W, cheap laser printer.  The HTML
>>> manual shows nothing for density, toner, or anything else I could
>>> think of that might be relevant.
>>
>> What about a setting for density? For me with a cheap old Laserjet
>> P1102, there are five levels of density, settable right in the Linux
>> print dialog under the advanced tab. I think Windows hides the same
>> setting somewhere deeper in printer settings but I'm not sure I remember
>> correctly.
>
> The Brother guy said to try the official HL2170.ppd driver, which
> resulted in no printing at all.  I printed something with libreoffice
> under windows 7, with the same light result.  'Toner save" is off
> according to the CUPS setting.  I suspect that the HP driver was the
> only one that worked when I installed it, and maybe the same for windows
> 7.  I give up.
>
> It would be nice to have a printer with a scanner anyway.  I still like
> Brother, even if this one had problems -- it worked well enough since 2009.
>
Do you have Gutenprint installed?
That should have a driver for it too, might be worth a try.

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 by: ray - Wed, 16 Jun 2021 19:47 UTC

On 6/14/21 1:03 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> EVERYTHING has always printed too light, although whatever I can see (or
> guess) about print quality does NOT specify 'light' or 'toner-saving' .
> Brother HL2170W, cheap laser printer.  The HTML manual shows nothing for
> density, toner, or anything else I could think of that might be
> relevant.  I've run through three toner cartridges since 2009 when I
> bought it.  I just emailed Brother, but have no idea when/if they will
> respond.  All I want to do is print NORMAL density.
>
> Help!
>

This may help:
https://help.brother-usa.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/52188/~/install-drivers-%28deb-or-rpm%29-using-the-driver-install-tool---linux

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