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 by: Mike Easter - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 15:26 UTC

Nic wrote:
> Since v19.1 is going to end support in April 2023, if I upgrade to v19.3
> what is the last support date for 19.3?
>
The same. The entire 19 series.

--
Mike Easter

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 by: Big Al - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 15:57 UTC

On 2/18/23 10:26, this is what Mike Easter wrote:
> Nic wrote:
>> Since v19.1 is going to end support in April 2023, if I upgrade to v19.3 what is the last support date for 19.3?
>>
> The same.  The entire 19 series.
>
LM 20.x isn't such a leap. I found it almost identical.
Now 20.3 to 21.x to me is a quantum leap. Teamviewer that I use for support does not install properly in 21. It
installs, but keys for update manager are in the wrong files and you have to fix it by removing them. And the UI is
much flatter. The new UI that even Windows seems to be adopting. Which I don't like. No borders around windows, you
can't see where one black rectangle starts and stops when overlaying others. They dropped the metacity header and
borders code.

Those are just a few of MY complaints.
--
Al

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 by: Mike Easter - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 15:59 UTC

Mike Easter wrote:
> Nic wrote:
>> Since v19.1 is going to end support in April 2023, if I upgrade to
>> v19.3 what is the last support date for 19.3?
>>
> The same.  The entire 19 series.
>
LM 19 is based on Ub 18.04 (most importantly, its repo/s) which is a LTS
long-term support release, support lasting 5 years. When the
basis/parent support ends, the support for the 'child' ends.

5 years is a pretty long time. LM 20 is based on LTS Ub 20.04 whose
support ends '25 Apr. LM 21 is based on LTS Ub 22.04 whose support ends
'27 Apr.

Of some interest, at least to me, is the LMDE, Debian edition, which
newest is based on Bullseye Deb 11 and LMDE has its own repo/s (I've
heard but haven't checked yet). It is only in Cinnamon .

--
Mike Easter

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 by: Big Al - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 16:53 UTC

On 2/18/23 10:59, this is what Mike Easter wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> Nic wrote:
>>> Since v19.1 is going to end support in April 2023, if I upgrade to v19.3 what is the last support date for 19.3?
>>>
>> The same.  The entire 19 series.
>>
> LM 19 is based on Ub 18.04 (most importantly, its repo/s) which is a LTS long-term support release, support lasting 5
> years.  When the basis/parent support ends, the support for the 'child' ends.
>
> 5 years is a pretty long time.   LM 20 is based on LTS Ub 20.04 whose support ends '25 Apr.  LM 21 is based on LTS Ub
> 22.04 whose support ends '27 Apr.
>
> Of some interest, at least to me, is the LMDE, Debian edition, which newest is based on Bullseye Deb 11 and LMDE has its
> own repo/s (I've heard but haven't checked yet).  It is only in Cinnamon .
>
Interesting that it also supports 32bit machines. I got a copy and want to see how it looks in a VM. This too
interests me.
--
Al

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 by: Monsieur - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 16:59 UTC

Big Al wrote:

> update manager are in the wrong files and you have to fix it by removing
> them.   And the UI is much flatter.   The new UI that even Windows seems
> to be adopting.   Which I don't like.  No borders around windows, you
> can't see where one black rectangle starts and stops when overlaying
> others.  They dropped the metacity header and borders code.
>
> Those are just a few of MY complaints.

Those are exactly my complaints too. However, I think it is Windows who
started this whole "make everything as flat as possible" craze with
their Metro look in Windows 8.

Mint, are you listening? We want our windows borders and buttons back. :-)

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 by: Big Al - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 17:27 UTC

On 2/18/23 11:53, this is what Big Al wrote:
> On 2/18/23 10:59, this is what Mike Easter wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>> Nic wrote:
>>>> Since v19.1 is going to end support in April 2023, if I upgrade to v19.3 what is the last support date for 19.3?
>>>>
>>> The same.  The entire 19 series.
>>>
>> LM 19 is based on Ub 18.04 (most importantly, its repo/s) which is a LTS long-term support release, support lasting 5
>> years.  When the basis/parent support ends, the support for the 'child' ends.
>>
>> 5 years is a pretty long time.   LM 20 is based on LTS Ub 20.04 whose support ends '25 Apr.  LM 21 is based on LTS Ub
>> 22.04 whose support ends '27 Apr.
>>
>> Of some interest, at least to me, is the LMDE, Debian edition, which newest is based on Bullseye Deb 11 and LMDE has
>> its own repo/s (I've heard but haven't checked yet).  It is only in Cinnamon .
>>
> Interesting that it also supports 32bit machines.   I got a copy and want to see how it looks in a VM.   This too
> interests me.
Looked at it and LMDE 5 works so much link Mint 20 but is far behind in simple things like Thunderbird. V96 I think.
Now that might just be the live iso and now what happens after an update.

Still it works similar. My themes worked great.
--
Al

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 by: nom...@gmail.com - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 19:42 UTC

On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 10:57:11 -0500
Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> wrote:

> On 2/18/23 10:26, this is what Mike Easter wrote:
> > Nic wrote:
> [...]
> > The same.  The entire 19 series.
> >
> LM 20.x isn't such a leap. I found it almost identical.
> Now 20.3 to 21.x to me is a quantum leap. Teamviewer that I use for support does not install properly in 21. It
> installs, but keys for update manager are in the wrong files and you have to fix it by removing them. And the UI is
> much flatter. The new UI that even Windows seems to be adopting. Which I don't like. No borders around windows, you
> can't see where one black rectangle starts and stops when overlaying others. They dropped the metacity header and
> borders code.
>
> Those are just a few of MY complaints.
> --
> Al
>
You might find solution in this post on Linux Mint forum
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=2240015#p2240015
and download from here
https://github.com/the-allanc/minty-color-titles
I'm satisfied, not complete solution but at list i can differentiate windows.

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 by: Big Al - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 19:56 UTC

On 2/18/23 14:42, this is what nomail@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 10:57:11 -0500
> Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/23 10:26, this is what Mike Easter wrote:
>>> Nic wrote:
>> [...]
>>> The same.  The entire 19 series.
>>>
>> LM 20.x isn't such a leap. I found it almost identical.
>> Now 20.3 to 21.x to me is a quantum leap. Teamviewer that I use for support does not install properly in 21. It
>> installs, but keys for update manager are in the wrong files and you have to fix it by removing them. And the UI is
>> much flatter. The new UI that even Windows seems to be adopting. Which I don't like. No borders around windows, you
>> can't see where one black rectangle starts and stops when overlaying others. They dropped the metacity header and
>> borders code.
>>
>> Those are just a few of MY complaints.
>> --
>> Al
>>
> You might find solution in this post on Linux Mint forum
> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=2240015#p2240015
> and download from here
> https://github.com/the-allanc/minty-color-titles
> I'm satisfied, not complete solution but at list i can differentiate windows.
>
Still I want the side and bottom of windows with color. I liked that stripe around the window.
--
Al

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 by: Mike Easter - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 00:04 UTC

Nic wrote:
> I did manage to upgrade to LM 21.1 from my 19.1.

The upgrade path from 19.1 must involve 20.3 first. The upgrade path
from 19.1 to 20.3 must involve 19.3 first.

https://itsfoss.com/upgrade-linux-mint-version/

> Section 1 is about upgrading to Mint 21 from Mint 20.3 (GUI upgrade
> tool)
>
> Section 2 is about upgrading to Mint 20 from Mint 19.3 (Command-line
> based upgrader)

--
Mike Easter

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 by: Killadebug - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 02:00 UTC

On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 12:27:13 -0500, Big Al wrote:

>snip

>>> Of some interest, at least to me, is the LMDE, Debian edition, which
>>> newest is based on Bullseye Deb 11 and LMDE has its own repo/s (I've
>>> heard but haven't checked yet).  It is only in Cinnamon .
>>>
>> Interesting that it also supports 32bit machines.   I got a copy and
>> want to see how it looks in a VM.   This too interests me.
> Looked at it and LMDE 5 works so much link Mint 20 but is far behind in
> simple things like Thunderbird. V96 I think.
> Now that might just be the live iso and now what happens after an
> update.
>
> Still it works similar. My themes worked great.

LMDE 5 is very up to date. My copy just updated TB to 102.8.0 today. You
might install it in a vm and it will do a fairly large update. Rock
solid, plus the css file modification mentioned in this thread also
works. I just did it.

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 by: Big Al - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 04:00 UTC

On 2/18/23 21:00, this is what Killadebug wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 12:27:13 -0500, Big Al wrote:
>
>> snip
>
>
>>>> Of some interest, at least to me, is the LMDE, Debian edition, which
>>>> newest is based on Bullseye Deb 11 and LMDE has its own repo/s (I've
>>>> heard but haven't checked yet).  It is only in Cinnamon .
>>>>
>>> Interesting that it also supports 32bit machines.   I got a copy and
>>> want to see how it looks in a VM.   This too interests me.
>> Looked at it and LMDE 5 works so much link Mint 20 but is far behind in
>> simple things like Thunderbird. V96 I think.
>> Now that might just be the live iso and now what happens after an
>> update.
>>
>> Still it works similar. My themes worked great.
>
> LMDE 5 is very up to date. My copy just updated TB to 102.8.0 today. You
> might install it in a vm and it will do a fairly large update. Rock
> solid, plus the css file modification mentioned in this thread also
> works. I just did it.
>
>
>
Yes, I figured since I was just running the live CD version, it was way behind on updates. Updates are usually what
they tell you to do first anyway. I'll get the VM running in a few days.
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 by: Killadebug - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 14:02 UTC

On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 23:00:38 -0500, Big Al wrote:

> On 2/18/23 21:00, this is what Killadebug wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 12:27:13 -0500, Big Al wrote:
>>
>>> snip
>>
>>
>>>>> Of some interest, at least to me, is the LMDE, Debian edition, which
>>>>> newest is based on Bullseye Deb 11 and LMDE has its own repo/s (I've
>>>>> heard but haven't checked yet).  It is only in Cinnamon .
>>>>>
>>>> Interesting that it also supports 32bit machines.   I got a copy and
>>>> want to see how it looks in a VM.   This too interests me.
>>> Looked at it and LMDE 5 works so much link Mint 20 but is far behind
>>> in simple things like Thunderbird. V96 I think.
>>> Now that might just be the live iso and now what happens after an
>>> update.
>>>
>>> Still it works similar. My themes worked great.
>>
>> LMDE 5 is very up to date. My copy just updated TB to 102.8.0 today.
>> You might install it in a vm and it will do a fairly large update. Rock
>> solid, plus the css file modification mentioned in this thread also
>> works. I just did it.
>>
>>
>>
> Yes, I figured since I was just running the live CD version, it was way
> behind on updates. Updates are usually what they tell you to do first
> anyway. I'll get the VM running in a few days.

Sounds good. I think you might like the results.

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 by: Mike Easter - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 17:22 UTC

Nic wrote:
> What kind of shelf life can we expect from this Debian based Mint?

Historically, each LMDE v. support lasted 2 y. This current LMDE 5 EOL
has not yet been announced. Historically the Deb parent such as Buster
was 3 y. The current Deb Bullseye was released 2022 and its *Debian*
security support ends 2025. There is some kind of 3rd party support to
help a Debian have longer term support to 5 y.

All of the Ub, Mint, Deb 'point' type releases are to be distinguished
from *rolling* releases. A distro which is a rolling release is
'designed' w/ the idea in mind that it can be 'continuously' updated.

An example of a rolling release is Sparky, which is also based on Debian
(testing branch). There is a Sparky Mate release, but no Sparky
Cinnamon. I have a Sparky 6.6 persistent live, so I just booted it to
see about Cinn. It has an aptus appcenter (in addition to synaptic) --
the aptus has a cinn metapackage which 'installs the cinnamon desktop w/
a minimal set of applications'. Since my Sparky is KDE, the Cinn would
drag in a lot of gnome/gtk baggage. If I were going to install Cinn to
Sparky, I would boot either the minimal GUI or the CLI release and then
install Cinn to that.

> How difficult if possible is it to switch over from the Ubuntu Mint,

I'm not sure what that means exactly, but I would say don't even think
about 'converting' a LM install to a LMDE install.

> and if possible transfer some personal preferences from Mint Ubuntu?

Well, you can export/import browser bookmarks. Which preferences did
you have in mind? If they belong to some app's profile, like .moz's,
you should be able to do that.

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> in simple things like Thunderbird. V96 I think.
> Now that might just be the live iso and now what happens after an
> update.

Probably a case of the ISO being mastered a year or two ago; but don't
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On 2023-02-19, Mike Easter wrote:
> Nic wrote:
>> What kind of shelf life can we expect from this Debian based Mint?
>
> Historically, each LMDE v. support lasted 2 y. This current LMDE 5 EOL
> has not yet been announced. Historically the Deb parent such as Buster

I'd hazard that LMDE will survive until the end of this year (2023),
with LMDE 6 and LM22 releasing early 2024.

> was 3 y. The current Deb Bullseye was released 2022 and its *Debian*
> security support ends 2025. There is some kind of 3rd party support to
> help a Debian have longer term support to 5 y.

Partially correct -- Debian Security keeps a release going for ~3 years,
then hands off to the Debian LTS Team for an additional 2 years. After
that, the "third party" support is for extended LTS (which may or may
not actually exist for a given version).

Long as you stay with "Debian Stable", chances are you're not going to
run into too much trouble.

>> How difficult if possible is it to switch over from the Ubuntu Mint,
>
> I'm not sure what that means exactly, but I would say don't even think
> about 'converting' a LM install to a LMDE install.

You can't "convert" Ubuntu LM to LMDE (or vice versa) -- gotta pave over
everything and install from scratch.

>
>> and if possible transfer some personal preferences from Mint Ubuntu?
>
> Well, you can export/import browser bookmarks. Which preferences did
> you have in mind? If they belong to some app's profile, like .moz's,
> you should be able to do that.

Backups of $HOME will almost certainly work between the various LM
versions (provided you're going "forwards").

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 by: Mike Easter - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 18:26 UTC

Mike Easter wrote:
> If I were going to install Cinn to Sparky, I would boot either the
> minimal GUI or the CLI release and then install Cinn to that.

I did this w/ a live Sparky (labeled 2022.12) testing minimal gui;
booted the .iso from Ventoy stick, used aptus to install Cinnamon and
'accompanying packages', and was able to get into a Cinn desktop
(software rendering for some reason) by logging out and back in.

It didn't really look like a Mint Cinn, but inxi reported it to be Cinn.
It also reported that the Sparky was 7 as opposed to the most recent
Deb stable release 6.6.

There is also a Debian live non-free Cinnamon labeled 11.6 and dated
12.17, but it is categorized as the stable Debian. Likely one has to
use the testing Debian to get rolling and I don't see any live .iso/s
for that.

But, I am interested in the Deb live non-free stable w/ Cinn release.

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 by: Mike Easter - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 19:20 UTC

Mike Easter wrote:
> I did this w/ a live Sparky (labeled 2022.12) testing minimal gui;
> booted the .iso from Ventoy stick, used aptus to install Cinnamon and
> 'accompanying packages', and was able to get into a Cinn desktop
> (software rendering for some reason) by logging out and back in.

Maybe the Cinn came up by software rendering if Sparky used the Deb
testing non-free repo/s.

I've now booted a live Deb 11 non-free Cinn which I like better than the
Sparky result.

That is a nice distro/DE, a good complement of app/s, conventional Cinn
features which are familiar to me.

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 by: Nic - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 20:06 UTC

On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 09:22:39 -0800
Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

> Nic wrote:
> > What kind of shelf life can we expect from this Debian based Mint?
>
> Historically, each LMDE v. support lasted 2 y. This current LMDE 5
> EOL has not yet been announced. Historically the Deb parent such as
> Buster was 3 y. The current Deb Bullseye was released 2022 and its
> *Debian* security support ends 2025. There is some kind of 3rd party
> support to help a Debian have longer term support to 5 y.
>
> All of the Ub, Mint, Deb 'point' type releases are to be
> distinguished from *rolling* releases. A distro which is a rolling
> release is 'designed' w/ the idea in mind that it can be
> 'continuously' updated.
>
> An example of a rolling release is Sparky, which is also based on
> Debian (testing branch). There is a Sparky Mate release, but no
> Sparky Cinnamon. I have a Sparky 6.6 persistent live, so I just
> booted it to see about Cinn. It has an aptus appcenter (in addition
> to synaptic) -- the aptus has a cinn metapackage which 'installs the
> cinnamon desktop w/ a minimal set of applications'. Since my Sparky
> is KDE, the Cinn would drag in a lot of gnome/gtk baggage. If I were
> going to install Cinn to Sparky, I would boot either the minimal GUI
> or the CLI release and then install Cinn to that.
>
> > How difficult if possible is it to switch over from the Ubuntu
> > Mint,
>
> I'm not sure what that means exactly, but I would say don't even think
> about 'converting' a LM install to a LMDE install.
>
> > and if possible transfer some personal preferences from Mint
> > Ubuntu?
>
> Well, you can export/import browser bookmarks. Which preferences did
> you have in mind? If they belong to some app's profile, like .moz's,
> you should be able to do that.
>
>

I d/l a recent iso of LMDE 5 and it booted up nicely. Not sure if it is
a 'rolling release', but I did notice something, in the update manager
of my UBLM19.1 there is a tab View/Linux Kernals, it was not there in
the Ubuntu version. I have to boot the live iso again to see if I can
install my relied on softwares- KD Organizer and osmo with the contacts.

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 by: Mike Easter - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 20:23 UTC

Nic wrote:
> I d/l a recent iso of LMDE 5 and it booted up nicely. Not sure if it
> is a 'rolling release',

It is not.

> but I did notice something, in the update manager of my UBLM19.1

That is a confusing abbreviation. The Ubuntu-based 'regular' Linux Mint
is just LM; whereas the Debian-based Mint is LMDE.

> there is a tab View/Linux Kernals, it was not there in the Ubuntu
> version.

That update manager is one of the various what I call 'minty-tools'
dev'd by the Mint dev/s; its name is mintupdate. They do a good job.

> I have to boot the live iso again to see if I can install my relied
> on softwares- KD Organizer and osmo with the contacts.

Osmo is a gtk-based PIM. I don't recognize 'KD Organizer' but osmo is
considered an organizer.

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On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 12:23:53 -0800
Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

> Nic wrote:
> > I d/l a recent iso of LMDE 5 and it booted up nicely. Not sure if it
> > is a 'rolling release',
>
> It is not.
>
> > but I did notice something, in the update manager of my UBLM19.1
>
> That is a confusing abbreviation. The Ubuntu-based 'regular' Linux
> Mint is just LM; whereas the Debian-based Mint is LMDE.
>
> > there is a tab View/Linux Kernals, it was not there in the Ubuntu
> > version.
>
> That update manager is one of the various what I call 'minty-tools'
> dev'd by the Mint dev/s; its name is mintupdate. They do a good job.
>
> > I have to boot the live iso again to see if I can install my relied
> > on softwares- KD Organizer and osmo with the contacts.
>
> Osmo is a gtk-based PIM. I don't recognize 'KD Organizer' but osmo is
> considered an organizer.
>
>

How does one go about getting one of those 'rolling releases', it would
seem that starting off with such a release would insure a better user
experience, than having to upgrade to some newer version that might
or might not work. What do you mean by I don't recognize 'KD Organizer'?

LMDE5 has an update manager but it has no provision for updating the
kernal, which I was trying to see when it's shelf life would end.

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 by: Mike Easter - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 21:07 UTC

Nic wrote:
> How does one go about getting one of those 'rolling releases', it
> would seem that starting off with such a release would insure a
> better user experience, than having to upgrade to some newer version
> that might or might not work.

The rolling release strategy is a two-edged sword. The rollers tend to
have 'fresher'/newer applications and 'theoretically' one could just
'upgrade away' w/o having to go from point release to point release to
version upgrade.

But, some rollers also have a rep of 'breakage' due to the upgrade
process. Some (long) while back my favorite DW distrowatch reviewer Jesse
Smith did a prolonged study of about 5 different rollers to see how much
trouble accumulated over his extended testing.

Suffice it to say w/o reading the entire series of articles, some did
better than others.

> What do you mean by I don't recognize 'KD Organizer'?

I mean I don't know what you are talking about; I don't recognize that
'term'/string/name. I don't know what that is.

Here's the old roller series start in 2014.

https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20141013

> As I stated last week, I recently began an experiment where I would
> install, run and evaluate five rolling-release operating systems to
> see which ones were the most reliable. I usually shy away from life
> on the cutting edge, preferring to stick with fixed releases with
> long support cycles. These days I want most of my computers to be
> predictable and reliable and the cutting edge does not appeal to me.
> However, the idea of an evolving operating system -- one that does
> not need to be re-installed, one that does not have a fixed end of
> life -- does hold an appeal. I do like playing with new features and
> new applications when I'm not working and so rolling-release
> distributions are interesting to me.

--
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 by: Mike Easter - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 21:20 UTC

Nic wrote:
> How does one go about getting one of those 'rolling releases',

At DW one can search on the term 'semi-rolling' or 'rolling' which gives
2 different sets of distro/s result.

Here's one explanation of the similarity and diff:

> Semi-rolling distributions: These distributions don't update every
> part of your operating system. They are divided into a rolling part
> and a non-rolling part. These distributions often have a non-rolling
> core. They don't update the kernel and drivers but do update
> everything else and have rolling software repositories.

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 by: Nic - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 21:23 UTC

On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:07:35 -0800
Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

> What do you mean by I don't recognize 'KD Organizer'?
>
> I mean I don't know what you are talking about; I don't recognize that
> 'term'/string/name. I don't know what that is.
Sorry about that spelling I meant KOrganizer
https://userbase.kde.org/KOrganizer

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 by: Mike Easter - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 21:36 UTC

Nic wrote:
> Sorry about that spelling I meant KOrganizer
> https://userbase.kde.org/KOrganizer

I tend to shy away from 'mixing' my families of toolkits underlying
applications I use.

Your osmo is gtk based. That KOrganizer is a KDE and Kontact Qt-based
package.

That is, there is no 'rule' that says that you can't do whatever you
want to do w/ your package installations. But, I just tend to stay w/
the toolkit family. If I want to use various KDE packages, I use a KDE
desktop. And then I use its package manager Muon instead of Synaptic.

Typically when you go across different toolkits, you invite a lot of
dependencies which you didn't have before.

And then, as some people like to say, 'Not that there's anything wrong
w/ that.'

Maybe I'm some kind of 'segregationist' :-)

--
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 by: Big Al - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 22:27 UTC

On 2/19/23 12:51, this is what Dan Purgert wrote:
> On 2023-02-18, Big Al wrote:
>> Looked at it and LMDE 5 works so much link Mint 20 but is far behind
>> in simple things like Thunderbird. V96 I think.
>> Now that might just be the live iso and now what happens after an
>> update.
>
> Probably a case of the ISO being mastered a year or two ago; but don't
> forget that Debian is a lot slower on version numbers as well.
>
>
I put it in a VM and it loads just like LM Cinn 20.3 like I have now.
I have a very large script, 800+ lines that installs the whole system. Only a few hickups, missing 2 apps and when I
tried to remove a few fonts, 2 were not installed.

But it works no different that LM does. Thus I don't see what or why I would want to change? I've got plenty of
drive and cpu.
--
Al

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