I collect movie files and burn these to DVD-R platters.

Should I be using DVD+R?

Also the DVD-R platters I use now seem to hold more than the 4.7GB
limit given on the label. How far can I push this content above
4.7GB? I use "Verbatim DataLifePlus" platters at present.

I use the "VSO ConvertXtoDVD" software.

In article <45q6ng51o875q85f2vov02v882ok95emui@4ax.com>, Peter Jason
<pj@jostle.com> wrote:

> I collect movie files and burn these to DVD-R platters.
>
> Should I be using DVD+R?

you should be using a hard drive, which is less hassle, a lot faster, a
lot less expensive and no issues with movies larger than what will fit
on a disc.

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 21:58:45 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In article <45q6ng51o875q85f2vov02v882ok95emui@4ax.com>, Peter Jason
><pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>
>> I collect movie files and burn these to DVD-R platters.
>>
>> Should I be using DVD+R?
>
>you should be using a hard drive, which is less hassle, a lot faster, a
>lot less expensive and no issues with movies larger than what will fit
>on a disc.

Thanks. I have over 3500 movies, some several to a platter, and I
store them in a library cabinet in PP sleeves. So far its all going
well.

In article <2ls6nghpum7ee0bvmc3pbecu4o7vbmug5v@4ax.com>, Peter Jason
<pj@jostle.com> wrote:

> >> I collect movie files and burn these to DVD-R platters.
> >>
> >> Should I be using DVD+R?
> >
> >you should be using a hard drive, which is less hassle, a lot faster, a
> >lot less expensive and no issues with movies larger than what will fit
> >on a disc.
>
> Thanks. I have over 3500 movies, some several to a platter, and I
> store them in a library cabinet in PP sleeves. So far its all going
> well.

even with several per disc, that's still a *lot* of discs to manage,
plus they're not very high quality if they're small enough to where
several can fit.

a single 8tb drive would hold all of that with room to spare, plus you
can watch any of them in any order without needing to figure out which
disc it's on.

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 22:57:59 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In article <2ls6nghpum7ee0bvmc3pbecu4o7vbmug5v@4ax.com>, Peter Jason
><pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>
>> >> I collect movie files and burn these to DVD-R platters.
>> >>
>> >> Should I be using DVD+R?
>> >
>> >you should be using a hard drive, which is less hassle, a lot faster, a
>> >lot less expensive and no issues with movies larger than what will fit
>> >on a disc.
>>
>> Thanks. I have over 3500 movies, some several to a platter, and I
>> store them in a library cabinet in PP sleeves. So far its all going
>> well.
>
>even with several per disc, that's still a *lot* of discs to manage,
>plus they're not very high quality if they're small enough to where
>several can fit.
>
>a single 8tb drive would hold all of that with room to spare, plus you
>can watch any of them in any order without needing to figure out which
>disc it's on.

I do have a 4TB HDD for temporary storage of movies so as to sort them
by date etc before burning to DVD. I file by date and have a database
of the DVDs. The DVDs fit perfectly into a now-obsolete library-card
cabinet......
https://postimg.cc/V5kTxnrX
......allowing easy selection for viewing at some friend's place.

On 10/22/2021 9:51 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
> I collect movie files and burn these to DVD-R platters.
>
> Should I be using DVD+R?
>
> Also the DVD-R platters I use now seem to hold more than the 4.7GB
> limit given on the label. How far can I push this content above
> 4.7GB? I use "Verbatim DataLifePlus" platters at present.
>
> I use the "VSO ConvertXtoDVD" software.
>

The difference between DVD+R and DVD-R, is how the groove is encoded.

And finding the groove is important for optical media. It determines
when a disc is "functionally dead".

The error correction method (multi-dimensional Reed Solomon codes) is
powerful enough, that when the error indicator on an error scan hits
around 10^4, the error correction method continues to work.

But, the problem when the disc is that far gone, the groove detection
can also be compromised in the same way as the actual data bit encoding.

The laser loses "lock" on the spiral groove in the media. Then, you can't
play your disc and the drive goes a bit crazy (may not respond to commands,
may take longer to eject and so on -- because the processor in the drive is
too stupid to do two things at once).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wobble_frequency

"DVD-R ... constant wobble frequency of 140.6 kHz relying on data 'pits'
beside the groove to convey information (Land pre-pit).[2]

DVD+R ... constant wobble frequency of 817.4 kHz, but encodes its
addressing information by periodically inverting the phase of the
wobble signal (bi-phase modulation) to encode an exact address of
the location on the spiral track (Address in Pregroove).[2] The
practical upshot of this arrangement is that the recording drive
can navigate to an exact location on the DVD+R(W) disc whereas it
cannot do so with the DVD-R(W).
"

The MyCE site is the former CDFreaks forum.

https://www.myce.com/article/Why-DVDRW-is-superior-to-DVD-RW-203/

"... concluded that + is superior to - "

The other issue, is who makes the discs. Verbatim might be Ritek.
I don't remember how to do it right off hand, but the "media tag"
on a blank is readable. Perhaps Imgburn can tell you about the
blank for example. Ritek is the one that is reasonably reliable
here, and doesn't seem to stress the (programmable) laser all that
much. I have some CMC, that I get the occasional error on playback
and the drive just might be using more laser than is good for it.
Sometimes this happens if the firmware in the burner, does not
"recognize" the label and the firmware does not have the correct
value for the laser setting. And it uses more power than is
really necessary.

In Aus or New Zealand, you could probably get Taiyo Yuden media,
but I don't know who distributes that.

For example, the Ritek media is Verbatim, Maxell, Fujitsu, the latter
two aren't likely making tiny cake boxes any more. Verbatim is
more likely to be a survivor.

There was supposed to be some sort of calibration burn capability
in drives, but that's not evident in other information on the
subject.

Really old optical drives or set top boxes, can have
trouble with home made movie rips. Whereas if you go to
a friends house, and they have a set top player of recent
vintage, it plays all sorts of stuff. Even DivX. Which means,
if you go to "grandmas house", it's possible a disc won't play.

Make sure you have a spare drive or two. With that much time
and effort put into a collection, you want to have drives
in future, to continue to be able to play it. I realized just
the other day, I don't have any spare SATA opticals, and
have IDE opticals I can't use :-) That's what happens when
your two newest machines have no IDE connector. That's when
you realize your spares stock is wrong.

HTH,
Paul

Peter Jason wrote:
> I have over 3500 movies, some several to a platter, and I
> store them in a library cabinet in PP sleeves.

You may find this article instructive. It includes advice
about storing (orientation, packaging, temperature, humidity):
https://www.canada.ca/en/conservation-institute/services/conservation-preservation-publications/canadian-conservation-institute-notes/longevity-recordable-cds-dvds.html

-p

nospam wrote:
> In article <2ls6nghpum7ee0bvmc3pbecu4o7vbmug5v@4ax.com>, Peter Jason
> <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>
>>>> I collect movie files and burn these to DVD-R platters.
>>>>
>>>> Should I be using DVD+R?
>>>
>>> you should be using a hard drive, which is less hassle, a lot faster, a
>>> lot less expensive and no issues with movies larger than what will fit
>>> on a disc.
>>
>> Thanks. I have over 3500 movies, some several to a platter, and I
>> store them in a library cabinet in PP sleeves. So far its all going
>> well.
>
> even with several per disc, that's still a *lot* of discs to manage,
> plus they're not very high quality if they're small enough to where
> several can fit.
>
> a single 8tb drive would hold all of that with room to spare, plus you
> can watch any of them in any order without needing to figure out which
> disc it's on.

When the drive crashes then all the movies will be gone.

In article <sl1ipi$q78$1@dont-email.me>, Paul in Houston TX
<Paul@Houston.Texas> wrote:

> >
> > a single 8tb drive would hold all of that with room to spare, plus you
> > can watch any of them in any order without needing to figure out which
> > disc it's on.
>
> When the drive crashes then all the movies will be gone.

that's what backups are for.

dvds fail too, more often than hard drives, and he's not burning
multiple dvds of each movie either.

On 23/10/2021 12.08, Piet wrote:
> Peter Jason wrote:
>> I have over 3500 movies, some several to a platter, and I
>> store them in a library cabinet in PP sleeves.
>
> You may find this article instructive. It includes advice
> about storing (orientation, packaging, temperature, humidity):
> https://www.canada.ca/en/conservation-institute/services/conservation-preservation-publications/canadian-conservation-institute-notes/longevity-recordable-cds-dvds.html

Thanks, good link.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> wrote:
> Peter Jason wrote:
> > I have over 3500 movies, some several to a platter, and I
> > store them in a library cabinet in PP sleeves.

> You may find this article instructive. It includes advice
> about storing (orientation, packaging, temperature, humidity):
> https://www.canada.ca/en/conservation-institute/services/conservation-preservation-publications/canadian-conservation-institute-notes/longevity-recordable-cds-dvds.html

What are the good brands of drives and discs these days? I had many
problems with burned DVDs. Some drives can't read my burned DVDs! I had
better luck with burned CDs. :(

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In article <avGdnR9iyNeiEen8nZ2dnUU7-VmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> What are the good brands of drives and discs these days? I had many
> problems with burned DVDs. Some drives can't read my burned DVDs! I had
> better luck with burned CDs. :(

which is why a hard drive is a better choice.

On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 12:08:42 +0200, Piet
<www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> wrote:

>Peter Jason wrote:
>> I have over 3500 movies, some several to a platter, and I
>> store them in a library cabinet in PP sleeves.
>
>You may find this article instructive. It includes advice
>about storing (orientation, packaging, temperature, humidity):
>https://www.canada.ca/en/conservation-institute/services/conservation-preservation-publications/canadian-conservation-institute-notes/longevity-recordable-cds-dvds.html
>
>-p

Many thanks. I've printed this out & stored it with the disks.

On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 04:23:39 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
wrote:

>On 10/22/2021 9:51 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
>> I collect movie files and burn these to DVD-R platters.
>>
>> Should I be using DVD+R?
>>
>> Also the DVD-R platters I use now seem to hold more than the 4.7GB
>> limit given on the label. How far can I push this content above
>> 4.7GB? I use "Verbatim DataLifePlus" platters at present.
>>
>> I use the "VSO ConvertXtoDVD" software.
>>
>
>The difference between DVD+R and DVD-R, is how the groove is encoded.
>
>And finding the groove is important for optical media. It determines
>when a disc is "functionally dead".
>
>The error correction method (multi-dimensional Reed Solomon codes) is
>powerful enough, that when the error indicator on an error scan hits
>around 10^4, the error correction method continues to work.
>
>But, the problem when the disc is that far gone, the groove detection
>can also be compromised in the same way as the actual data bit encoding.
>
>The laser loses "lock" on the spiral groove in the media. Then, you can't
>play your disc and the drive goes a bit crazy (may not respond to commands,
>may take longer to eject and so on -- because the processor in the drive is
>too stupid to do two things at once).
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wobble_frequency
>
> "DVD-R ... constant wobble frequency of 140.6 kHz relying on data 'pits'
> beside the groove to convey information (Land pre-pit).[2]
>
> DVD+R ... constant wobble frequency of 817.4 kHz, but encodes its
> addressing information by periodically inverting the phase of the
> wobble signal (bi-phase modulation) to encode an exact address of
> the location on the spiral track (Address in Pregroove).[2] The
> practical upshot of this arrangement is that the recording drive
> can navigate to an exact location on the DVD+R(W) disc whereas it
> cannot do so with the DVD-R(W).
> "
>
>The MyCE site is the former CDFreaks forum.
>
>https://www.myce.com/article/Why-DVDRW-is-superior-to-DVD-RW-203/
>
> "... concluded that + is superior to - "
>
>The other issue, is who makes the discs. Verbatim might be Ritek.
>I don't remember how to do it right off hand, but the "media tag"
>on a blank is readable. Perhaps Imgburn can tell you about the
>blank for example. Ritek is the one that is reasonably reliable
>here, and doesn't seem to stress the (programmable) laser all that
>much. I have some CMC, that I get the occasional error on playback
>and the drive just might be using more laser than is good for it.
>Sometimes this happens if the firmware in the burner, does not
>"recognize" the label and the firmware does not have the correct
>value for the laser setting. And it uses more power than is
>really necessary.
>
>In Aus or New Zealand, you could probably get Taiyo Yuden media,
>but I don't know who distributes that.
>
>For example, the Ritek media is Verbatim, Maxell, Fujitsu, the latter
>two aren't likely making tiny cake boxes any more. Verbatim is
>more likely to be a survivor.
>
>There was supposed to be some sort of calibration burn capability
>in drives, but that's not evident in other information on the
>subject.
>
>Really old optical drives or set top boxes, can have
>trouble with home made movie rips. Whereas if you go to
>a friends house, and they have a set top player of recent
>vintage, it plays all sorts of stuff. Even DivX. Which means,
>if you go to "grandmas house", it's possible a disc won't play.
>
>Make sure you have a spare drive or two. With that much time
>and effort put into a collection, you want to have drives
>in future, to continue to be able to play it. I realized just
>the other day, I don't have any spare SATA opticals, and
>have IDE opticals I can't use :-) That's what happens when
>your two newest machines have no IDE connector. That's when
>you realize your spares stock is wrong.
>
>HTH,
> Paul

Thanks, I'll buy DVD+R in future. I suspect my collection is still OK
because they're all still playing.

On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 10:07:02, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote (my
responses usually follow points raised):
[]
>Thanks, I'll buy DVD+R in future. I suspect my collection is still OK
>because they're all still playing.

How do you know, with 3500 of them? (-:
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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <avGdnR9iyNeiEen8nZ2dnUU7-VmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
> <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> > What are the good brands of drives and discs these days? I had many
> > problems with burned DVDs. Some drives can't read my burned DVDs! I had
> > better luck with burned CDs. :(

> which is why a hard drive is a better choice.

Yeah, I wished they were tinier and lighter though.
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In article <Q4ydnd2sv4AaJun8nZ2dnUU7-L-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> > > What are the good brands of drives and discs these days? I had many
> > > problems with burned DVDs. Some drives can't read my burned DVDs! I had
> > > better luck with burned CDs. :(
>
> > which is why a hard drive is a better choice.
>
> Yeah, I wished they were tinier and lighter though.

they're a lot smaller and lighter than the thousands of dvds the
original poster would need.

Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 04:23:39 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/22/2021 9:51 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> I collect movie files and burn these to DVD-R platters.
>>>
>>> Should I be using DVD+R?
>>>
>>> Also the DVD-R platters I use now seem to hold more than the 4.7GB
>>> limit given on the label. How far can I push this content above
>>> 4.7GB? I use "Verbatim DataLifePlus" platters at present.
>>>
>>> I use the "VSO ConvertXtoDVD" software.
>>>
>>
>> The difference between DVD+R and DVD-R, is how the groove is encoded.
>>
>> And finding the groove is important for optical media. It determines
>> when a disc is "functionally dead".
>>
>> The error correction method (multi-dimensional Reed Solomon codes) is
>> powerful enough, that when the error indicator on an error scan hits
>> around 10^4, the error correction method continues to work.
>>
>> But, the problem when the disc is that far gone, the groove detection
>> can also be compromised in the same way as the actual data bit encoding.
>>
>> The laser loses "lock" on the spiral groove in the media. Then, you can't
>> play your disc and the drive goes a bit crazy (may not respond to commands,
>> may take longer to eject and so on -- because the processor in the drive is
>> too stupid to do two things at once).
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wobble_frequency
>>
>> "DVD-R ... constant wobble frequency of 140.6 kHz relying on data 'pits'
>> beside the groove to convey information (Land pre-pit).[2]
>>
>> DVD+R ... constant wobble frequency of 817.4 kHz, but encodes its
>> addressing information by periodically inverting the phase of the
>> wobble signal (bi-phase modulation) to encode an exact address of
>> the location on the spiral track (Address in Pregroove).[2] The
>> practical upshot of this arrangement is that the recording drive
>> can navigate to an exact location on the DVD+R(W) disc whereas it
>> cannot do so with the DVD-R(W).
>> "
>>
>> The MyCE site is the former CDFreaks forum.
>>
>> https://www.myce.com/article/Why-DVDRW-is-superior-to-DVD-RW-203/
>>
>> "... concluded that + is superior to - "
>>
>> The other issue, is who makes the discs. Verbatim might be Ritek.
>> I don't remember how to do it right off hand, but the "media tag"
>> on a blank is readable. Perhaps Imgburn can tell you about the
>> blank for example. Ritek is the one that is reasonably reliable
>> here, and doesn't seem to stress the (programmable) laser all that
>> much. I have some CMC, that I get the occasional error on playback
>> and the drive just might be using more laser than is good for it.
>> Sometimes this happens if the firmware in the burner, does not
>> "recognize" the label and the firmware does not have the correct
>> value for the laser setting. And it uses more power than is
>> really necessary.
>>
>> In Aus or New Zealand, you could probably get Taiyo Yuden media,
>> but I don't know who distributes that.
>>
>> For example, the Ritek media is Verbatim, Maxell, Fujitsu, the latter
>> two aren't likely making tiny cake boxes any more. Verbatim is
>> more likely to be a survivor.
>>
>> There was supposed to be some sort of calibration burn capability
>> in drives, but that's not evident in other information on the
>> subject.
>>
>> Really old optical drives or set top boxes, can have
>> trouble with home made movie rips. Whereas if you go to
>> a friends house, and they have a set top player of recent
>> vintage, it plays all sorts of stuff. Even DivX. Which means,
>> if you go to "grandmas house", it's possible a disc won't play.
>>
>> Make sure you have a spare drive or two. With that much time
>> and effort put into a collection, you want to have drives
>> in future, to continue to be able to play it. I realized just
>> the other day, I don't have any spare SATA opticals, and
>> have IDE opticals I can't use :-) That's what happens when
>> your two newest machines have no IDE connector. That's when
>> you realize your spares stock is wrong.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Paul
>
> Thanks, I'll buy DVD+R in future. I suspect my collection is still OK
> because they're all still playing.

They'll keep working until they don't. Then what will you do?

Paul in Houston TX <Paul@Houston.Texas> wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>> In article <2ls6nghpum7ee0bvmc3pbecu4o7vbmug5v@4ax.com>, Peter Jason
>> <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I collect movie files and burn these to DVD-R platters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Should I be using DVD+R?
>>>>
>>>> you should be using a hard drive, which is less hassle, a lot faster, a
>>>> lot less expensive and no issues with movies larger than what will fit
>>>> on a disc.
>>>
>>> Thanks. I have over 3500 movies, some several to a platter, and I
>>> store them in a library cabinet in PP sleeves. So far its all going
>>> well.
>>
>> even with several per disc, that's still a *lot* of discs to manage,
>> plus they're not very high quality if they're small enough to where
>> several can fit.
>>
>> a single 8tb drive would hold all of that with room to spare, plus you
>> can watch any of them in any order without needing to figure out which
>> disc it's on.
>
> When the drive crashes then all the movies will be gone.

You get warnings when a drive is starting to fail. No such warnings for
DVDs.

On 10/23/2021 7:24 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <Q4ydnd2sv4AaJun8nZ2dnUU7-L-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
> <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>
>> > > What are the good brands of drives and discs these days? I had many
>> > > problems with burned DVDs. Some drives can't read my burned DVDs! I had
>> > > better luck with burned CDs. :(
>>
>> > which is why a hard drive is a better choice.
>>
>> Yeah, I wished they were tinier and lighter though.
>
> they're a lot smaller and lighter than the thousands of dvds the
> original poster would need.

And SSDs are smaller and lighter than HDs.

--
Ken

In article <itlhfcFg2lqU1@mid.individual.net>, Ken Blake
<ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:

> >> > > What are the good brands of drives and discs these days? I had many
> >> > > problems with burned DVDs. Some drives can't read my burned DVDs! I
> >> > > had
> >> > > better luck with burned CDs. :(
> >>
> >> > which is why a hard drive is a better choice.
> >>
> >> Yeah, I wished they were tinier and lighter though.
> >
> > they're a lot smaller and lighter than the thousands of dvds the
> > original poster would need.
>
>
> And SSDs are smaller and lighter than HDs.

yep, however, they're also more expensive for the same capacity.

for archiving movies, music, etc., capacity is normally a priority,
versus size or weight.

a common solution is have a server on the network so that any computer,
tablet or phone can play movies, music or whatever else.

Paul in Houston TX wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>> Peter Jason wrote:
>>> Thanks. I have over 3500 movies, some several to a platter, and I
>>> store them in a library cabinet in PP sleeves. So far its all going
>>> well.
>>
>> even with several per disc, that's still a *lot* of discs to manage,
>> plus they're not very high quality if they're small enough to where
>> several can fit.
>>
>> a single 8tb drive would hold all of that with room to spare, plus you
>> can watch any of them in any order without needing to figure out which
>> disc it's on.
>
> When the drive crashes then all the movies will be gone.

- Split them over 2 drives.
- Keep the original dvd's as backup or vice versa.

-p

"Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote

|I collect movie files and burn these to DVD-R platters.
| | Should I be using DVD+R?
|

I use DVD-R only. I can't give you a technical explanation.
It just seems like sometimes the + didn't work in all machines,
so I don't take a chance.

As for pushing the size limit, I don't know. Most of what
I record is things like lectures. Unless I really need to keep
a copy for travel I just copy the video via USB stick to either
a Win7 computer or a Raspberry Pi, both of which can pipe
the video to one of our TV screens via HDMI.

In cases where I have some kind of rare video that I'll
want to see again, I use DVD Flick to make an ISO to play
in a DVD player, so there's no issues with using the full
size. One ISO gets written to one disk.

On 24/10/2021 11.27, Chris wrote:
> Paul in Houston TX <Paul@Houston.Texas> wrote:
>> nospam wrote:
>>> In article <2ls6nghpum7ee0bvmc3pbecu4o7vbmug5v@4ax.com>, Peter Jason
>>> <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I collect movie files and burn these to DVD-R platters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Should I be using DVD+R?
>>>>>
>>>>> you should be using a hard drive, which is less hassle, a lot faster, a
>>>>> lot less expensive and no issues with movies larger than what will fit
>>>>> on a disc.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. I have over 3500 movies, some several to a platter, and I
>>>> store them in a library cabinet in PP sleeves. So far its all going
>>>> well.
>>>
>>> even with several per disc, that's still a *lot* of discs to manage,
>>> plus they're not very high quality if they're small enough to where
>>> several can fit.
>>>
>>> a single 8tb drive would hold all of that with room to spare, plus you
>>> can watch any of them in any order without needing to figure out which
>>> disc it's on.
>>
>> When the drive crashes then all the movies will be gone.
>
> You get warnings when a drive is starting to fail. No such warnings for
> DVDs.

Not always. I have a failed 3 TB hard disk that did not warn at all,
went to total failure in a day. And yes, it had a lot of my movies, all
lost in a single sweep. many of them copied to DVD, so one day I hope to
recover what I can.

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Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
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> >> When the drive crashes then all the movies will be gone.
> >
> > You get warnings when a drive is starting to fail. No such warnings for
> > DVDs.

> Not always. I have a failed 3 TB hard disk that did not warn at all,
> went to total failure in a day. And yes, it had a lot of my movies, all
> lost in a single sweep. many of them copied to DVD, so one day I hope to
> recover what I can.

Same for an old Seagate 1 TB SATA HDD from 11/27/2011. It died
overnight. I heard clicks from it. :( At least, I had a back up. ;)

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