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* Re: Ongiong flood from NeodomeDavid Ritz
+- Re: Ongiong flood from NeodomeThe Doctor
`* Re: Ongiong flood from NeodomeNeodome Admin
 `* Re: Ongoing flood from NeodomeAdam H. Kerman
  `* Re: Ongoing flood from NeodomeNeodome Admin
   +* Re: Ongoing flood from NeodomeAdam H. Kerman
   |`- Re: Ongoing flood from NeodomeThe Doctor
   `* Re: Ongoing flood from NeodomeDavid Ritz
    +* Re: Ongoing flood from NeodomeThe Doctor
    |`* New Neodome flood (Was: Re: Ongoing flood from Neodome)Sn!pe
    | `* Re: New Neodome floodRay Banana
    |  +* Re: New Neodome floodDavid Ritz
    |  |`- Re: New Neodome floodSn!pe
    |  `* Re: New Neodome floodNeodome Admin
    |   +* Re: New Neodome floodRay Banana
    |   |`* Re: New Neodome floodThe Doctor
    |   | `* Re: New Neodome floodRay Banana
    |   |  +- Re: New Neodome floodThe Doctor
    |   |  `* Re: New Neodome floodbje
    |   |   `* Re: New Neodome floodThomas Hochstein
    |   |    `- Re: New Neodome floodbje
    |   `* Re: New Neodome floodAdam H. Kerman
    |    `* Re: New Neodome floodNeodome Admin
    |     +* Re: New Neodome floodFrank Slootweg
    |     |+* Re: New Neodome floodNeodome Admin
    |     ||+- Re: New Neodome floodFrank Slootweg
    |     ||`- Re: New Neodome floodDan Purgert
    |     |`- Re: New Neodome floodAdam H. Kerman
    |     `- Re: New Neodome floodYK
    +* Re: Ongoing flood from NeodomeAioe
    |`- Re: Ongoing flood from NeodomeDavid Ritz
    `* Re: Ongoing flood from NeodomeNeodome Admin
     +* Re: Ongoing flood from NeodomeFrank Slootweg
     |+- Re: Ongoing flood from NeodomeNeodome Admin
     |`* Re: Ongoing flood from NeodomeAioe
     | `- Re: Ongoing flood from NeodomeFrank Slootweg
     `* Re: Ongoing flood from NeodomeDavid Ritz
      +- Re: Ongoing flood from NeodomeThe Doctor
      `* Re: Ongoing flood from NeodomeNeodome Admin
       +- Re: Ongoing flood from NeodomeFrank Slootweg
       +* Re: Ongoing flood from Neodomeusenet user
       |`- Re: Ongoing flood from Neodomeusenet user
       `- Re: Ongoing flood from Neodomeusenet user

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Re: Ongiong flood from Neodome

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From: dri...@mindspring.com (David Ritz)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.peering
Subject: Re: Ongiong flood from Neodome
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On Thursday, 03 June 2021 23:29 +0100,
in article <1pa80y9.1ntv431sf1rnN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>,
Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

> This flood has now been running for ~26 hours.

> Repost from eternal-september.support:

[...]
> -----------[example]---------------
> Path:
> snipe.eternal-september.org!!eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.mixmin.net!news.neodome.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail
> From: the cytoplastic <cut@cytoplastic.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.politics,alt.checkmate
> Subject: shock disconcerting senate with the fulfilled spray gun
> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 09:28:26 -0000 (UTC)
> Organization: faint
> Message-ID: <s9a7bq$6nm$1@neodome.net>
> Injection-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 09:28:26 -0000 (UTC)
> Injection-Info: neodome.net; mail-complaints-to="abuse@neodome.net"
> alt.checkmate:553313
> ----------[end example]-----------

Neodome appears to be just fine with this activity.

>> From: abuse@neodome.net
>> To: David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
>> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2021 03:38:45 -0500
>> Subject: Re: Flood: 100 forwarded messages...
>>
>> On 2021-06-02 17:22, David Ritz wrote:
>> Please try harder.
>> Which Usenet client are you using? Please let me know and I'll help
>> you to set up filtering.

I suggest that while client side filtering is not a remedy, depeering
certainly would help.

- --
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
"There is nothing worse than having a spare couple of hours and you
can't find an open server to abuse." - Tim Thorne - 26 Dec 1998

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Re: Ongiong flood from Neodome

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From: doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.peering
Subject: Re: Ongiong flood from Neodome
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 23:55:54 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: The Doctor - Thu, 3 Jun 2021 23:55 UTC

In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.2106031829000.57527@mako.ath.cx>,
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:
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>On Thursday, 03 June 2021 23:29 +0100,
> in article <1pa80y9.1ntv431sf1rnN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>,
> Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This flood has now been running for ~26 hours.
>
>> Repost from eternal-september.support:
>
>[...]
>> -----------[example]---------------
>> Path:
>>
>snipe.eternal-september.org!!eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.mixmin.net!news.neodome.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail
>> From: the cytoplastic <cut@cytoplastic.com>
>> Newsgroups: alt.politics,alt.checkmate
>> Subject: shock disconcerting senate with the fulfilled spray gun
>> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 09:28:26 -0000 (UTC)
>> Organization: faint
>> Message-ID: <s9a7bq$6nm$1@neodome.net>
>> Injection-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 09:28:26 -0000 (UTC)
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>> alt.checkmate:553313
>> ----------[end example]-----------
>
>Neodome appears to be just fine with this activity.
>
>>> From: abuse@neodome.net
>>> To: David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
>>> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2021 03:38:45 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: Flood: 100 forwarded messages...
>>>
>>> On 2021-06-02 17:22, David Ritz wrote:
>>> Please try harder.
>>> Which Usenet client are you using? Please let me know and I'll help
>>> you to set up filtering.
>
>I suggest that while client side filtering is not a remedy, depeering
>certainly would help.
>
>- --
>David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
> "There is nothing worse than having a spare couple of hours and you
> can't find an open server to abuse." - Tim Thorne - 26 Dec 1998
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I get an inn remedy that works.
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Re: Ongiong flood from Neodome

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From: adm...@neodome.net (Neodome Admin)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.peering
Subject: Re: Ongiong flood from Neodome
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 02:01:02 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: Neodome Admin - Fri, 4 Jun 2021 02:01 UTC

David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> writes:

> Neodome appears to be just fine with this activity.
>
>>> From: abuse@neodome.net
>>> To: David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
>>> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2021 03:38:45 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: Flood: 100 forwarded messages...
>>>
>>> On 2021-06-02 17:22, David Ritz wrote:
>>> Please try harder.
>>> Which Usenet client are you using? Please let me know and I'll help
>>> you to set up filtering.

Just was trying to figure out which group out of four was the
target. Appear to be alt.checkmate. Someone didn't like Neodome users
posting there so I had to block access to that group for now.

> I suggest that while client side filtering is not a remedy

Which client are you using? Please let me know and I'll help you set up
filtering - based on Message-ID or Newsgroups header.

> , depeering
> certainly would help.

:-)

--
Neodome

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Fri, 4 Jun 2021 14:35 UTC

David, I've cut the crosspost to the email newsgroup and I fixed the
typo on Subject.

Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> wrote:
>David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> writes:

>>Neodome appears to be just fine with this activity.

>>>>From: abuse@neodome.net
>>>>To: David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
>>>>Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2021 03:38:45 -0500
>>>>Subject: Re: Flood: 100 forwarded messages...

>>>>On 2021-06-02 17:22, David Ritz wrote:
>>>>Please try harder.
>>>>Which Usenet client are you using? Please let me know and I'll help
>>>>you to set up filtering.

>Just was trying to figure out which group out of four was the
>target. Appear to be alt.checkmate. Someone didn't like Neodome users
>posting there so I had to block access to that group for now.

>>I suggest that while client side filtering is not a remedy

>Which client are you using? Please let me know and I'll help you set up
>filtering - based on Message-ID or Newsgroups header.

Please stop it. I've occassionally been sympathetic with your position
of openness but each time there's a flood through your server, you
exhaust my patience.

I do kill file based on your server, and I've asked certain posters that
I read not to post through your server so I don't have to make
exceptions for them. With the exception of posters I'd been reading for
years before your server was set up, your users don't post on topic nor
do they make worthwhile contributions to discussion in groups that I read.

It takes a lot of resources and everyone else's to do this thanks to
allowing a flooding problem originating at your News site to continue
unaddressed. You lose sympathy for the moral position you are supposedly
taking.

>>, depeering certainly would help.

>:-)

Caring about your own reputation would help even more.

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Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.peering
Subject: Re: Ongoing flood from Neodome
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 by: Neodome Admin - Sat, 5 Jun 2021 12:57 UTC

"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

> David, I've cut the crosspost to the email newsgroup and I fixed the
> typo on Subject.
>
> Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> wrote:
>>David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> writes:
>
>>>Neodome appears to be just fine with this activity.
>
>>>>>From: abuse@neodome.net
>>>>>To: David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
>>>>>Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2021 03:38:45 -0500
>>>>>Subject: Re: Flood: 100 forwarded messages...
>
>>>>>On 2021-06-02 17:22, David Ritz wrote:
>>>>>Please try harder.
>>>>>Which Usenet client are you using? Please let me know and I'll help
>>>>>you to set up filtering.
>
>>Just was trying to figure out which group out of four was the
>>target. Appear to be alt.checkmate. Someone didn't like Neodome users
>>posting there so I had to block access to that group for now.
>
>>>I suggest that while client side filtering is not a remedy
>
>>Which client are you using? Please let me know and I'll help you set up
>>filtering - based on Message-ID or Newsgroups header.
>
> Please stop it. I've occassionally been sympathetic with your position
> of openness but each time there's a flood through your server, you
> exhaust my patience.

Oh wow. I guess I should really feel sorry. I mean, exausting Adam's
patience. Who in their right mind would do that? Should I kill myself?..

Sorry Adam. We both know you never been sympathetic to my position. I
really doubt you're even able to explain what my position is.

As to the David Ritz, I will never believe that this guy have no idea
how to deal with a simple flood coming from a single source, directed to
groups he don't read.

> I do kill file based on your server, and I've asked certain posters that
> I read not to post through your server so I don't have to make
> exceptions for them. With the exception of posters I'd been reading for
> years before your server was set up, your users don't post on topic nor
> do they make worthwhile contributions to discussion in groups that I read.

Is that suppose to make me look bad? Or you just generally against the
nature of human beings? Do you think it's my fault they don't post "on
topic"? I don't even know these people. I don't know any of them, and I
don't want to know. I don't have any kind of contact with them. The only
people who want to deal with login/password at Neodome are the ones who
are willing to post via Tor or I2P, and I want to know even less about
them than about average Usenet user.

I mean, yeah, it's pretty sad that open Usenet server is used to bitch
to the world about horrors of rival political opinions. But,
realistically, what do you want me to do? I would be more than happy if
my server was mostly used to participate in technical groups. But it's
not the case, and after running the server for five years, I'm not sure
if it will ever will be.

Maybe you should take care of it, Adam? Come on, man. You know very well
that running an open server is mosly moral, not a technical
problem. Let's have yet another discussion about what a censorship is
and what's not.

Anyway, many of Neodome users have no idea about this drama. Bunch of
them don't even speak English. Even if you not count Trump-hating weirdo
who post to political groups, there's still about 500-700 legit messages
a day going to Hungarian, German, French, Italian groups. I'm not going
to abruptly end their Usenet service because some fucker flood a group
where few old farts are still figuring out who's alpha and who's beta.

> It takes a lot of resources and everyone else's to do this thanks to
> allowing a flooding problem originating at your News site to continue
> unaddressed. You lose sympathy for the moral position you are supposedly
> taking.
>
>>>, depeering certainly would help.
>
>>:-)
>
> Caring about your own reputation would help even more.

Quit that shit, man. You've been here long enough, you should know very
well what it's all about. There is no any "reputation" I'm gaining for
any of it. Instead, I'm being blamed by both sides of political
spectrum. I was already told that I'm receiving money from "Demonrats",
I was already threatened with all kind of shit, except probably
death. But I suspect I'll be soon enough.

It was the third time someone threatened me with "Usenet Death penalty."
That's why I used that smile. I should start saving Message-IDs, I
guess. "Reputation", lol.

--
Neodome

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Sat, 5 Jun 2021 15:54 UTC

Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:
>>Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> wrote:
>>>David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> writes:

>>>>Neodome appears to be just fine with this activity.

>>>>>>From: abuse@neodome.net
>>>>>>To: David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
>>>>>>Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2021 03:38:45 -0500
>>>>>>Subject: Re: Flood: 100 forwarded messages...

>>>>>>On 2021-06-02 17:22, David Ritz wrote:
>>>>>>Please try harder.
>>>>>>Which Usenet client are you using? Please let me know and I'll help
>>>>>>you to set up filtering.

>>>Just was trying to figure out which group out of four was the
>>>target. Appear to be alt.checkmate. Someone didn't like Neodome users
>>>posting there so I had to block access to that group for now.

>>>>I suggest that while client side filtering is not a remedy

>>>Which client are you using? Please let me know and I'll help you set up
>>>filtering - based on Message-ID or Newsgroups header.

>>Please stop it. I've occassionally been sympathetic with your position
>>of openness but each time there's a flood through your server, you
>>exhaust my patience.

>Oh wow. I guess I should really feel sorry. I mean, exausting Adam's
>patience. Who in their right mind would do that? Should I kill myself?..

The moderator of this newsgroup made an error approving my post, as any
criticism from me is off topic.

>Sorry Adam. We both know you never been sympathetic to my position. I
>really doubt you're even able to explain what my position is.

As it's not my position, it's not my job to explain it.

>As to the David Ritz, I will never believe that this guy have no idea
>how to deal with a simple flood coming from a single source, directed to
>groups he don't read.

David can explain himself. My position is that there shouldn't be floods
on Usenet ever.

>>I do kill file based on your server, and I've asked certain posters that
>>I read not to post through your server so I don't have to make
>>exceptions for them. With the exception of posters I'd been reading for
>>years before your server was set up, your users don't post on topic nor
>>do they make worthwhile contributions to discussion in groups that I read.

>Is that suppose to make me look bad? . . .

In making a comment about what I killfile in my own newsreader for my
own reading purposes, my general experience with your users, and comments
I've made to a couple of users that had posted through your site, I wasn't
considering your feelings at all.

>>. . .

>Quit that shit, man. You've been here long enough, you should know very
>well what it's all about. There is no any "reputation" I'm gaining for
>any of it. Instead, I'm being blamed by both sides of political
>spectrum. I was already told that I'm receiving money from "Demonrats",
>I was already threatened with all kind of shit, except probably
>death. But I suspect I'll be soon enough.

My comments were with respect to flooding through your News site and
weren't political at all.

>It was the third time someone threatened me with "Usenet Death penalty."
>That's why I used that smile. I should start saving Message-IDs, I
>guess. "Reputation", lol.

I don't address you in that way. That other people do has nothing to do
with me.

Re: Ongoing flood from Neodome

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Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.peering
Subject: Re: Ongoing flood from Neodome
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 23:32:49 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 5 Jun 2021 23:32 UTC

In article <s9g6mu$7o0$4@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

Thank goodness I dropped neodome!

Whoever took over must really be a piece of work.
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 by: David Ritz - Sun, 6 Jun 2021 03:50 UTC

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On Saturday, 05 June 2021 12:57 -0000,
in article <s9fsc2$tk6$1@neodome.net>,
Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> wrote:

On Saturday, 05 June 2021 12:57 -0000, Neodome Admin wrote:

[...]

> As to the David Ritz, I will never believe that this guy have no
> idea how to deal with a simple flood coming from a single source,
> directed to groups he don't read.

Your assumptions are bad and your clairvoyance quotient sucks, as does
mine. What I read or don't read is quite irrelevant to the problem.

Your recommendation of filtering shifts responsibility dealing with the
issues surrounding network abuse instances originating from
news.neodome.net. Man up and take responsibility for the problems
you and the implementation of your philosophy invite.

I have dealt with NewsAgent floods previously, as well as floods of
cancel messages, supersedes replacing legitimate posts with spam and
the issuance of $alz formatted preemptive cancels, using this Swiss
Army Knife of Usenet Abuse. NewsAgent was specifically designed to
exploit open proxies, as you saw for yourself, in the recent attack on
alt.checkmate and alt.slack. The apparent ability to switch proxies,
for each post, appears to be a fairly recent hack. Thanks for
including the posting-host information, for the second round of this
attack.

Thanks to the speed of news.neodome.net, the attack was somewhat
limited. In years past, I have observed more than 300k NewsAgent
generated porn spam posts, in a single twenty four hour period, via an
open AnalogX proxy running on a Videotron.ca home user's computer.
Personally, I do not miss those bad old days.

[...]

> I mean, yeah, it's pretty sad that open Usenet server is used to
> bitch to the world about horrors of rival political opinions.

This is the same lame excuse, used by hosting providers, for
infrastructure facilitating cybercrime operations. You and your
server are nothing new nor anything special.

Please consider moving news.neodome.net to an authenticated users only
setup. Intentionally running open servers seems an open invitation to
abuse.

- --
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
"There will be more spam." -- Paul Vixie

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Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.peering
Subject: Re: Ongoing flood from Neodome
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 12:56:43 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: NetKnow News
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 by: The Doctor - Sun, 6 Jun 2021 12:56 UTC

In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.2106052028420.57527@mako.ath.cx>,
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:
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>On Saturday, 05 June 2021 12:57 -0000,
> in article <s9fsc2$tk6$1@neodome.net>,
> Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> wrote:
>
>On Saturday, 05 June 2021 12:57 -0000, Neodome Admin wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>> As to the David Ritz, I will never believe that this guy have no
>> idea how to deal with a simple flood coming from a single source,
>> directed to groups he don't read.
>
>Your assumptions are bad and your clairvoyance quotient sucks, as does
>mine. What I read or don't read is quite irrelevant to the problem.
>
>Your recommendation of filtering shifts responsibility dealing with the
>issues surrounding network abuse instances originating from
>news.neodome.net. Man up and take responsibility for the problems
>you and the implementation of your philosophy invite.
>
>I have dealt with NewsAgent floods previously, as well as floods of
>cancel messages, supersedes replacing legitimate posts with spam and
>the issuance of $alz formatted preemptive cancels, using this Swiss
>Army Knife of Usenet Abuse. NewsAgent was specifically designed to
>exploit open proxies, as you saw for yourself, in the recent attack on
>alt.checkmate and alt.slack. The apparent ability to switch proxies,
>for each post, appears to be a fairly recent hack. Thanks for
>including the posting-host information, for the second round of this
>attack.
>
>Thanks to the speed of news.neodome.net, the attack was somewhat
>limited. In years past, I have observed more than 300k NewsAgent
>generated porn spam posts, in a single twenty four hour period, via an
>open AnalogX proxy running on a Videotron.ca home user's computer.
>Personally, I do not miss those bad old days.
>
>[...]
>
>> I mean, yeah, it's pretty sad that open Usenet server is used to
>> bitch to the world about horrors of rival political opinions.
>
>This is the same lame excuse, used by hosting providers, for
>infrastructure facilitating cybercrime operations. You and your
>server are nothing new nor anything special.
>
>Please consider moving news.neodome.net to an authenticated users only
>setup. Intentionally running open servers seems an open invitation to
>abuse.
>
>- --
>David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
> "There will be more spam." -- Paul Vixie
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Open relays must be banned!
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Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
The pursuit of irresponsibility makes pain a necessity. -unknown

New Neodome flood (Was: Re: Ongoing flood from Neodome)

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 by: Sn!pe - Sun, 6 Jun 2021 13:05 UTC

The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:

> In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.2106052028420.57527@mako.ath.cx>,
> David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> >On Saturday, 05 June 2021 12:57 -0000,
> > in article <s9fsc2$tk6$1@neodome.net>,
> > Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> wrote:
> >
> >On Saturday, 05 June 2021 12:57 -0000, Neodome Admin wrote:
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >> As to the David Ritz, I will never believe that this guy have no
> >> idea how to deal with a simple flood coming from a single source,
> >> directed to groups he don't read.
> >
> >Your assumptions are bad and your clairvoyance quotient sucks, as does
> >mine. What I read or don't read is quite irrelevant to the problem.
> >
> >Your recommendation of filtering shifts responsibility dealing with the
> >issues surrounding network abuse instances originating from
> >news.neodome.net. Man up and take responsibility for the problems
> >you and the implementation of your philosophy invite.
> >
> >I have dealt with NewsAgent floods previously, as well as floods of
> >cancel messages, supersedes replacing legitimate posts with spam and
> >the issuance of $alz formatted preemptive cancels, using this Swiss
> >Army Knife of Usenet Abuse. NewsAgent was specifically designed to
> >exploit open proxies, as you saw for yourself, in the recent attack on
> >alt.checkmate and alt.slack. The apparent ability to switch proxies,
> >for each post, appears to be a fairly recent hack. Thanks for
> >including the posting-host information, for the second round of this
> >attack.
> >
> >Thanks to the speed of news.neodome.net, the attack was somewhat
> >limited. In years past, I have observed more than 300k NewsAgent
> >generated porn spam posts, in a single twenty four hour period, via an
> >open AnalogX proxy running on a Videotron.ca home user's computer.
> >Personally, I do not miss those bad old days.
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >> I mean, yeah, it's pretty sad that open Usenet server is used to
> >> bitch to the world about horrors of rival political opinions.
> >
> >This is the same lame excuse, used by hosting providers, for
> >infrastructure facilitating cybercrime operations. You and your
> >server are nothing new nor anything special.
> >
> >Please consider moving news.neodome.net to an authenticated users only
> >setup. Intentionally running open servers seems an open invitation to
> >abuse.
> >
> >- --
> >David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
> > "There will be more spam." -- Paul Vixie
> >
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> Open relays must be banned!
>

There is now a new flood running in alt.atheism, alt.usenet.kooks

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Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.usenet.kooks
Subject: avert come-at-able Casanova the nihilistic throne
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My pet rock Gordon just is.

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 by: Ray Banana - Sun, 6 Jun 2021 15:07 UTC

Thus spake snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)
> There is now a new flood running in alt.atheism, alt.usenet.kooks

This should be the last one you'll get to see of this nonsense on E-S.

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http://www.eternal-september.org

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 by: David Ritz - Sun, 6 Jun 2021 17:09 UTC

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On Sunday, 06 June 2021 17:07 +0200,
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Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> wrote:

> Thus spake snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)

>> There is now a new flood running in alt.atheism, alt.usenet.kooks

> This should be the last one you'll get to see of this nonsense on E-S.

Thanks for being a good neighbor, Ray.

- --
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
"Ethics is in origin the art of recommending to others the sacrifices
required for cooperation with oneself." - Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)

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 by: Aioe - Sun, 6 Jun 2021 18:54 UTC

Il 06/06/21 05:50, David Ritz ha scritto:
> Intentionally running open servers seems an open invitation to
> abuse.

For about twenty years I have been administering a news server that
intentionally allows all users to post without authentication. Although
in some rare circumstances my server has been involved in some floods,
it has always given few problems of massive abuse. The few times it
happened, I quickly fixed the problem.

IMHO, David, the problem is not the public news servers but the people
who manage them. The problem with neodome is not that it is open without
authentication but that it is poorly managed.
If a group has abuse issues, I block my users from posting there; if a
set of groups is flooded, I configure the server to reject all messages
posted there if their number exceeds a certain threshold. If one runs a
public news server he must expect that from time to time someone will
try to abuse it. Abuse is part of the game. The difference between a
good public news server and a bad one is in the reaction to abuse.

neodome simply does not react to abuse and this makes it dangerous for
the rest of the network and it is a good reason to ban it.

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 by: David Ritz - Sun, 6 Jun 2021 22:34 UTC

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On Sunday, 06 June 2021 20:54 +0200,
in article <s9j5ku$1bfb$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
Aioe <estasi@aioe.org> wrote:

> Il 06/06/21 05:50, David Ritz ha scritto:

>> Intentionally running open servers seems an open invitation to
>> abuse.

> For about twenty years I have been administering a news server that
> intentionally allows all users to post without authentication.
> Although in some rare circumstances my server has been involved in
> some floods, it has always given few problems of massive abuse. The
> few times it happened, I quickly fixed the problem.

Yes, I am aware there are well managed and operated public NNTP
servers. I certainly consider AIOE to be included among these.
Reacting quickly and responding positively is always greatly
appreciated.

> IMHO, David, the problem is not the public news servers but the
> people who manage them. The problem with neodome is not that it is
> open without authentication but that it is poorly managed.

I can agree with this statement.

[...]

> neodome simply does not react to abuse and this makes it dangerous
> for the rest of the network and it is a good reason to ban it.

I reacted particularly badly, with the suggestion that user/client
side filtering was a solution, which it is, at best, like placing a
simple plaster on a gangrenous infection. I found this response to be
reprehensibly irresponsible.

- --
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
"I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!"
- Peter Finch's Oscar winning speech in the 1976 film, "Network"

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 by: Sn!pe - Mon, 7 Jun 2021 09:53 UTC

David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

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> On Sunday, 06 June 2021 17:07 +0200,
> in article <m25yyrm3pz.fsf@raybanana.net>,
> Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> wrote:
>
> > Thus spake snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)
>
> >> There is now a new flood running in alt.atheism, alt.usenet.kooks
>
> > This should be the last one you'll get to see of this nonsense on E-S.
>
> Thanks for being a good neighbor, Ray.

Indeed. Many thanks, Ray.

--
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My pet rock Gordon just is.

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 by: Neodome Admin - Wed, 9 Jun 2021 03:44 UTC

Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> writes:

> Thus spake snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)
>
>> There is now a new flood running in alt.atheism, alt.usenet.kooks
>
> This should be the last one you'll get to see of this nonsense on E-S.

Just don't do it the same way The Doctor did it, Ray. I was looking at
his solution in, I think, news.software.nntp, and if I understand
correctly, it rejects not only articles posted to Neodome, but also
those that just passed Neodome.

--
Neodome

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 by: Neodome Admin - Wed, 9 Jun 2021 06:00 UTC

David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> writes:

> On Saturday, 05 June 2021 12:57 -0000,
> in article <s9fsc2$tk6$1@neodome.net>,
> Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> wrote:
>
> On Saturday, 05 June 2021 12:57 -0000, Neodome Admin wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> As to the David Ritz, I will never believe that this guy have no
>> idea how to deal with a simple flood coming from a single source,
>> directed to groups he don't read.
>
> Your assumptions are bad and your clairvoyance quotient sucks, as does
> mine. What I read or don't read is quite irrelevant to the problem.

You're correct. But you were not correct when you claimed that it's
impossible to filter it on the client side.

> Your recommendation of filtering shifts responsibility dealing with the
> issues surrounding network abuse instances originating from
> news.neodome.net. Man up and take responsibility for the problems
> you and the implementation of your philosophy invite.

Are there any, really?

Pretty much all Usenet servers use cleanfeed, and there are very simple
settings over there:

------------

do_phn

An EMP check seeded by the NNTP-Posting-Host and the Newsgroups
headers. This attempts to address flooding of a specific Newsgroup from
a single source. It can cause false positives in some groups where
individuals post high volumes of brief messages in a short period of
time. These groups can be excluded from the filter using the phn_exclude
parameter.

phn_aggressive

The PHN Filter tries to create hashes based on the NNTP-Posting_Host of
the sender. If this header doesn't exist, then setting phn_aggressive to
True will cause it to fall back on the Path header instead. The
implication of this is that messages to a specific newsgroup will be
rejected if too many originate from the same service provider instead of
merely the same poster.

-------------

Because normally all articles from Neodome have single posting host, such
filter easily catches them once they go above some treshold (usually
around 100 in some short amount of time.) I can see in my logs that I
didn't really send much articles out to my text-only peers because my
own cleanfeed filter was catching the flood and not sending it out to
those who don't want it. I did more "damage" to them (and I knew it's gonna
happen) when I started blocking groups, because flooder would simply move
to different groups and filter will allow some amount of flood to pass
before starting to reject it.

I'm not sure why E-S is not using such filter, I guess that would be the
question for Ray.

The reason you and other Giganews users are seeing it is because you're
getting "uncensored" Usenet which is basically a stream of data with
headers that you're free do anything with. You're your own "censor",
same as me - and considering your experience I'm pretty sure you know
what to do to get the data you want.

> I have dealt with NewsAgent floods previously, as well as floods of
> cancel messages, supersedes replacing legitimate posts with spam and
> the issuance of $alz formatted preemptive cancels, using this Swiss
> Army Knife of Usenet Abuse. NewsAgent was specifically designed to
> exploit open proxies, as you saw for yourself, in the recent attack on
> alt.checkmate and alt.slack. The apparent ability to switch proxies,
> for each post, appears to be a fairly recent hack. Thanks for
> including the posting-host information, for the second round of this
> attack.

It actually was a bad thing. More articles were able to pass the filters
because of constantly changing injection point.

> Thanks to the speed of news.neodome.net, the attack was somewhat
> limited.

That's intentional. Neodome is constantly slowing the posting rate from
any single IP address if it keeps posting.

> In years past, I have observed more than 300k NewsAgent
> generated porn spam posts, in a single twenty four hour period, via an
> open AnalogX proxy running on a Videotron.ca home user's computer.
> Personally, I do not miss those bad old days.

It's not the "old days" anymore. 30k messages that came from Neodome,
300k messages from Videotron.ca, even 3m messages - all are small
numbers, barely noticeable, actually. I didn't even bothered to run
htop, but I bet if I would in the middle of flood, my server load would
be probably same as usual, which is around 5%. Usual amout of messages
Neodome receives daily is around 500,000-1,000,000, and I expect it to
easily handle 10x that amount. Commercial Usenet providers can handle
hundreds time more, and won't even notice the difference.

There were several attacks on my server in the last few years, for
example, just recently someone tried to open hundreds of thousands of
connections, but failed miserably because he ran out of resources before
I did. I didn't even bother to check his IP address.

If not for whiners, I would just let it all run and let the filters take
care of everything.

In my opinion, only people who were actually affected by the flood are
Google Groups users and those who are saving everything for archiving
purposes. In case of Google Groups it's deliberate choice of Google to
pretend that Usenet does not exist, so they intentially don't provide
their users with a client that have any Usenet-specific functionality
while also not doing any kind of moderation. In case of the guys doing
archiving - I'm sorry, but 10 MBs of messages are not going to put a
dent on their racks of 8 TB HDDs. Since archives are requiring some
manual attention anyway, they can just come back to it whenever they
feel like it and get rid of that garbage. In case if 10 years later
someone will be interested, I'm saving Message-IDs belonging to the
flood.

The only legit complain I heard so far was from Adam, and he was saying
that such flood is effectively a DoS attack against smaller servers. I,
however, disagree. 30k of messages is not that much more than 15-20k
messages we see in text-only Usenet today in normal circumstances, and
it's much less than it's used to be. If servers have to reject 30k
messages a day and it affects them that much, I see two possibilities:
it's something intentionally running on retro hardware (like Atari ST)
and it probably should peer only with servers that aware of limited
resources, or it's misconfigured and probably will be forced to go down
in case if text-only Usenet ever gets traction and number of legit
messages starts to go up.

> [...]
>
>> I mean, yeah, it's pretty sad that open Usenet server is used to
>> bitch to the world about horrors of rival political opinions.
>
> This is the same lame excuse, used by hosting providers, for
> infrastructure facilitating cybercrime operations. You and your
> server are nothing new nor anything special.
>
> Please consider moving news.neodome.net to an authenticated users only
> setup. Intentionally running open servers seems an open invitation to
> abuse.

Well, at least you're not saying I'm the cybercriminal. That's
something.

I've seen your last email, and I appreciate that you're willing to
help. I am, however, is not willing to use outside services such as
spamhaus.org, because they will never supply me with their full
database, and I'm not going to supply them with IPs of my users to check
against their database. That's going against everything I'm standing
for.

When I said that I don't want to know who my users are I said exactly
what I meant. Up until yesterday I was deliberately not logging IP
addresses, and I'm still not sure if I should. I have nothing against
people using proxies to post to Usenet, and I try to provide easy way
out of it for those people who are running servers or clients able to do
filtering. I would never cheat on server-supplied headers such as Path
or Injection-Info. I was thinking of using Distribution header but no
one is using it anymore, so there's probably no point. I do realize that
such point of view will lead to Neodome being banned on some servers,
but I don't see a problem in having "censored" and "uncensored" Usenet.

Going to authentication-only is not going to fix the problem. I've seen a
lot of posts from commercial providers that can be considered as "spam"
or "flood", and free authentication-only providers are also vulnerable
for abuse. Captcha solvers and throw-away legit email addresses were a
thing for years, and the only reason E-S didn't have to go through that
is because no one attempted it. The Aioe way (IP addresses blocking,
obsure filtering rules on message body, etc.) is also a road to
nowhere. Once there will be person motivated enough Aioe will probably
end up blocking all IPs except Italians, and probably filtering on bunch
of Usenet peers.

Please don't take it wrong. If I realise that Neodome is a source of
problem that cannot be simply filtered out I'll probably turn off
posting and make Neodome a peering only server. But currently I don't see
anything like that. How many seconds did it take for you to filter them
out once you opened affected group? 0.1?


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 by: Ray Banana - Wed, 9 Jun 2021 11:46 UTC

Thus spake Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net>
> Just don't do it the same way The Doctor did it, Ray. I was looking at
> his solution in, I think, news.software.nntp, and if I understand
> correctly, it rejects not only articles posted to Neodome, but also
> those that just passed Neodome.

Thank you for your concern, but I'm aware of the pitfalls of Cleanfeed's
bad_path configuration file and I know how to filter based on the
rightmost host name in the Path: header.

--
Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.
http://www.eternal-september.org

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 by: The Doctor - Wed, 9 Jun 2021 14:07 UTC

In article <m2mtrzz2f2.fsf@raybanana.net>,
Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> wrote:
>Thus spake Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net>
>
>> Just don't do it the same way The Doctor did it, Ray. I was looking at
>> his solution in, I think, news.software.nntp, and if I understand
>> correctly, it rejects not only articles posted to Neodome, but also
>> those that just passed Neodome.
>
>Thank you for your concern, but I'm aware of the pitfalls of Cleanfeed's
>bad_path configuration file and I know how to filter based on the
>rightmost host name in the Path: header.
>

Not my solution. Someone gave it to me.

And

from my Daily news report

Unwanted sites in Path [Top 20]:
Site Count
news.neodome.net 397

TOTAL: 1 397

>--
>Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.
>http://www.eternal-september.org

FYI.

Also I noticed my 2 peering groups went MIA.

Can anyone help me out in that regard?

--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca
Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
The pursuit of irresponsibility makes pain a necessity. -unknown

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Wed, 9 Jun 2021 16:32 UTC

Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> wrote:
>Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> writes:
>>Thus spake snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)

>>>There is now a new flood running in alt.atheism, alt.usenet.kooks

>>This should be the last one you'll get to see of this nonsense on E-S.

>Just don't do it the same way The Doctor did it, Ray. I was looking at
>his solution in, I think, news.software.nntp, and if I understand
>correctly, it rejects not only articles posted to Neodome, but also
>those that just passed Neodome.

Given that Yads doesn't support any users except himself, and Ray
supports a significant portion of Usenet's users, it goes without saying
that one will behave on behalf of his own needs and the other will
behave in support of the community of users.

I wish you had the same public spirited sentiment.

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 by: Neodome Admin - Wed, 9 Jun 2021 18:53 UTC

"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

> I wish you had the same public spirited sentiment.

What makes you think I don't, Adam? Countless of times I've seen the
same thing being said over and over: the advantage of Usenet compared to
other social media is that it cannot be censored or moderated. This is
exactly what I provide to people. Uncensored Usenet, free of charge, in
any amounts you want, - more than you ever wanted, probably, but that's
another question.

No article was ever deleted from Neodome server, except the flood that
originated from it, and I publicly acknowledged it. Neodome server have
only one restriction: maximum article size is 64 Kb. Articles in
alt.binaries.* are expiring quite fast, but there's not much I can do
about it considering the volume and the fact that I'm paying for
everything out of my own pocket.

Yes, when most people say "it's good to have no censorship" they mean "I
should not be censored, but the ones I disagree with should." But do we
really have to take such fine script into account? Would you?

--
Neodome

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 by: Frank Slootweg - Wed, 9 Jun 2021 18:58 UTC

Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> wrote:
[...]

> In my opinion, only people who were actually affected by the flood are
> Google Groups users and those who are saving everything for archiving
> purposes. In case of Google Groups it's deliberate choice of Google to
> pretend that Usenet does not exist, so they intentially don't provide
> their users with a client that have any Usenet-specific functionality
> while also not doing any kind of moderation. In case of the guys doing
> archiving - I'm sorry, but 10 MBs of messages are not going to put a
> dent on their racks of 8 TB HDDs. Since archives are requiring some
> manual attention anyway, they can just come back to it whenever they
> feel like it and get rid of that garbage. In case if 10 years later
> someone will be interested, I'm saving Message-IDs belonging to the
> flood.

FYI, I run a small personal/private server and keep the groups which I
subscribe to 'forever' (which currently is some 18 years). I do not have
"racks of 8 TB HDDs" and yes, a flood of 30k messages (in a single
group) *is* an rather big annoyance which I'd rather do without.

Yes, I could investigate if my server can handle (local)
cancels-after-the-fact, but that doesn't excuse the abuse of the net,
nor does it excuse the admin's responsibility for facilitating said
abuse.

FWIW, sofar I've not been affected by floods from Neodome, but have
been affected by (10k articles) floods from Aioe.org. Same difference.

--
Frank Slootweg, ex-News Admin in some tiny 150K employeee company.

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 by: Frank Slootweg - Wed, 9 Jun 2021 19:14 UTC

Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> wrote:
> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:
>
> > I wish you had the same public spirited sentiment.
>
> What makes you think I don't, Adam? Countless of times I've seen the
> same thing being said over and over: the advantage of Usenet compared to
> other social media is that it cannot be censored or moderated. This is
> exactly what I provide to people. Uncensored Usenet, free of charge, in
> any amounts you want, - more than you ever wanted, probably, but that's
> another question.

Pull the other one! Abuse of the net - in this case flooding - has
nothing to do with censorship, quite the contrary.

If you can't be bothered to - try to - prevent the abuse (of the net)
which originates from your server, then just come out and say so, but
don't spout this kind of nonsense to an audience which sees right
through it.

[...]

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 by: Neodome Admin - Wed, 9 Jun 2021 19:50 UTC

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> writes:

> Neodome Admin <admin@neodome.net> wrote:
>> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:
>>
>> > I wish you had the same public spirited sentiment.
>>
>> What makes you think I don't, Adam? Countless of times I've seen the
>> same thing being said over and over: the advantage of Usenet compared to
>> other social media is that it cannot be censored or moderated. This is
>> exactly what I provide to people. Uncensored Usenet, free of charge, in
>> any amounts you want, - more than you ever wanted, probably, but that's
>> another question.
>
> Pull the other one! Abuse of the net - in this case flooding - has
> nothing to do with censorship, quite the contrary.

Are you sure, Frank? There's a good amount of people who want to post
via anonymous proxies for whatever reason, you might want to ask them
why, because I'm not going to. Paolo, for example, think that preventing
"abuse" is more important than letting legit messages in. I think
otherwise. There are similar polarised opinions on death penalty.

From the very beginning I said that it's a moral problem, not a
technical one.

> If you can't be bothered to - try to - prevent the abuse (of the net)
> which originates from your server, then just come out and say so, but
> don't spout this kind of nonsense to an audience which sees right
> through it.

Stop it, Frank. All you do it trying to make me feel uncofomrtable, accusing
me to be not professional. That's not going to bring you any
results. It's not that complicated to sign up for a service such as
spamhaus.org, and it's even simpler to just start banning IP
addresses. But it's never going to completely eliminate things you don't
want to see.

--
Neodome

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 by: Neodome Admin - Wed, 9 Jun 2021 19:54 UTC

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> writes:

> FYI, I run a small personal/private server and keep the groups which I
> subscribe to 'forever' (which currently is some 18 years). I do not have
> "racks of 8 TB HDDs" and yes, a flood of 30k messages (in a single
> group) *is* an rather big annoyance which I'd rather do without.

Make your project public, start a GoFundMe campain. I'll donate you some
money so you can afford 8 TB HDD one day. I'm pretty sure other Usenet users
would too, and your dream will come true. How about that?

--
Neodome

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