Nic wrote:
> Subject: Is it possible to roll back Thunderbird in LM?

Tut tut. New topic/question guide time again.

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=167805370800
From: Mike Easter
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.mint
Subject: Re: Question
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2023 10:46:07 -0800
Message-ID: <k6etjgF5ksuU1@mid.individual.net>

> How to create a new Subject thread/question.
>
> - do not give the new subject thread a generic title like 'question'
> nor ask a question in the subject

The problem w/ asking the question in the Subject is that the question
needs to be in the body of the msg to provide a proper question context
for someone to answer in their msg body. They aren't going to be
answering your qx up in the subject.

> Having trouble with the last 2 Updates.
>
It depends on how you upped your Tb to a newer v.

Did you do it from the Tb package at the moz site or did you do it w/
your synaptic package manager or did you do it via flatpak, say from the
software manager?

And, in another thread whose Subject was 'question', I also said:

> Personally, I don't update my Tb unless something I want is missing; the 'if it ain't broke...' principle.
Thu, 2 Mar 2023 10:06:16 -0800

--
Mike Easter

On Sun, 5 Mar 2023 14:10:37 -0800
Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

> Nic wrote:
> > Subject: Is it possible to roll back Thunderbird in LM?
>
> Tut tut. New topic/question guide time again.
>
> http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=167805370800
> From: Mike Easter
> Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.mint
> Subject: Re: Question
> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2023 10:46:07 -0800
> Message-ID: <k6etjgF5ksuU1@mid.individual.net>
>
> > How to create a new Subject thread/question.
> >
> > - do not give the new subject thread a generic title like 'question'
> > nor ask a question in the subject
>
> The problem w/ asking the question in the Subject is that the question
> needs to be in the body of the msg to provide a proper question context
> for someone to answer in their msg body. They aren't going to be
> answering your qx up in the subject.
>
> > Having trouble with the last 2 Updates.
> >
> It depends on how you upped your Tb to a newer v.
>
> Did you do it from the Tb package at the moz site or did you do it w/
> your synaptic package manager or did you do it via flatpak, say from the
> software manager?
>
> And, in another thread whose Subject was 'question', I also said:
>
> > Personally, I don't update my Tb unless something I want is missing; the 'if it ain't broke...' principle.
> Thu, 2 Mar 2023 10:06:16 -0800
>
> --
> Mike Easter

The last one I did the .ppa method, the one before last was in my software update manager. My thinking is to totally remove every vestige of TB and find an earlier version that did not give be problems.
--
Nic <Nic@none.net>

Nic wrote:
> The last one I did the .ppa method,

The .ppa one will show up in your synaptic.

> the one before last was in my software update manager.

The software manager shows both conventional .deb packages and flatpaks.

> My thinking is to totally remove every vestige of TB and find an
> earlier version that did not give be problems.

An important consideration about Tb is that just installing a different
version does NOT solve many problems which are likely to reside in the
profiles dir. Tb is /designed/ to continue to use the same profile when
a new/different v. is installed.

What kind of problems are you trying to solve?

--
Mike Easter

On Sun, 5 Mar 2023 14:43:16 -0800
Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

> Nic wrote:
> > The last one I did the .ppa method,
>
> The .ppa one will show up in your synaptic.
>
> > the one before last was in my software update manager.
>
> The software manager shows both conventional .deb packages and flatpaks.
>
> > My thinking is to totally remove every vestige of TB and find an
> > earlier version that did not give be problems.
>
> An important consideration about Tb is that just installing a different
> version does NOT solve many problems which are likely to reside in the
> profiles dir. Tb is /designed/ to continue to use the same profile when
> a new/different v. is installed.
>
> What kind of problems are you trying to solve?
>
>
> --
> Mike Easter

It seems that in usenet when I reply to a message, sometime it is recorded in my Local/Sent/Folder but never shows up at the news-server, other times the reply does not even get recorded in the sent folder or show up at the news server. I never get an error message so if I did not check I would never know this is happening, other than my reply not showing up in the thread. I ran Clam AV on the .thunderbird folder it came up clean. I have resorted to using Sylpheed which does not behave this way.
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Nic <Nic@none.net>

Nic wrote:
> It seems that in usenet when I reply to a message, sometime it is
> recorded in my Local/Sent/Folder but never shows up at the
> news-server, other times the reply does not even get recorded in the
> sent folder or show up at the news server. I never get an error
> message so if I did not check I would never know this is happening,
> other than my reply not showing up in the thread.

Tb has a Status bar which is helpful to tell what is going on. I use
Tb's menus where the status bar configuration shows up in View/
Toolbars/ Status menu.

If you don't have the menus enabled, it is in Hamburger icon/
Preferences/ Status bar.

I'm not very familiar w/ the Blocknews service, except that it is a
highwinds reseller and that it doesn't provide its user w/ a proper Path
line. I think it also has long retention 5285 days. It also has cheap
small non-expiring block accounts for those who need an occsl long
retention pay server, so I've considered buying a little block, because
sometimes I want that.

--
Mike Easter

Mike Easter wrote:
> Tb has a Status bar which is helpful to tell what is going on.

The status bar is at the very bottom of the Tb window, it shows the
'activity' such as when you access a news server account it shows Tb
looking up the IP from the DNS, contacting the news server, downloading
the headers. I don't recall what the messages are during sending, I'll
watch this one go.

--
Mike Easter

On 3/5/2023 5:23 PM, Nic wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Mar 2023 14:10:37 -0800
> Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Nic wrote:
>>> Subject: Is it possible to roll back Thunderbird in LM?
>>
>> Tut tut. New topic/question guide time again.
>>
>> http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=167805370800
>> From: Mike Easter
>> Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.mint
>> Subject: Re: Question
>> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2023 10:46:07 -0800
>> Message-ID: <k6etjgF5ksuU1@mid.individual.net>
>>
>>> How to create a new Subject thread/question.
>>>
>>> - do not give the new subject thread a generic title like 'question'
>>> nor ask a question in the subject
>>
>> The problem w/ asking the question in the Subject is that the question
>> needs to be in the body of the msg to provide a proper question context
>> for someone to answer in their msg body. They aren't going to be
>> answering your qx up in the subject.
>>
>>> Having trouble with the last 2 Updates.
>>>
>> It depends on how you upped your Tb to a newer v.
>>
>> Did you do it from the Tb package at the moz site or did you do it w/
>> your synaptic package manager or did you do it via flatpak, say from the
>> software manager?
>>
>> And, in another thread whose Subject was 'question', I also said:
>>
>>> Personally, I don't update my Tb unless something I want is missing; the 'if it ain't broke...' principle.
>> Thu, 2 Mar 2023 10:06:16 -0800
>>
>> --
>> Mike Easter
>
> The last one I did the .ppa method, the one before last was in my software update manager. My thinking is to totally remove every vestige of TB and find an earlier version that did not give be problems.
>

Airwolfe is going to blast this one on sight. This looks like an HTML posting.
Some receiving servers filter off UTF8 Subject lines (emojis) or
filter off full-fledged HTML postings. This post may be recorded in your Sent
box, as proof you sent it. Which you did. Select servers then drop it.
Or, the sending server may have a policy of rejecting these.

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3CI08NL.1440655%24iU59.1171261%40fx14.iad%3E

Content-Type: multipart/alternative

Whereas these got through.

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3CV4PCL.306150%24t5W7.293963%40fx13.iad%3E

X-Mozilla-News-Host: snews://NEWS.NEWSHOSTING.COM:563

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C20230305180851.0caff19347fe97fb470a2f73%40none.net%3E

X-Newsreader: Sylpheed 3.5.1

When a message is rejected at POST time, there should be an error code
returned. On a good server, this may present a toast dialog.

If you connect to port 119, and then use Wireshark, you can watch the
POST attempt and record the (text, readable) error code if present.

*******

Create two profiles.

Make one mail and one news.

Put only mail in one. Put only News in the other.
Set mail one to HTML. Disable HTML on the news one.

Launch with thunderbird -p and make your selection. Or
you can construct buttons on your distro, for launching with
known names for the profiles (you don't have to go through
the selector stage - the selector stage is just so you can
see it).

I haven't tested this, but don't see a reason the behavior of the
two cannot be isolated from one another.

Paul

On 3/6/23 00:49, Paul wrote:
> On 3/5/2023 5:23 PM, Nic wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Mar 2023 14:10:37 -0800
>> Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Nic wrote:
>>>> Subject: Is it possible to roll back Thunderbird in LM?
>>>
>>> Tut tut.  New topic/question guide time again.
>>>
>>> http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=167805370800
>>> From: Mike Easter
>>> Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.mint
>>> Subject: Re: Question
>>> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2023 10:46:07 -0800
>>> Message-ID: <k6etjgF5ksuU1@mid.individual.net>
>>>
>>>> How to create a new Subject thread/question.
>>>>
>>>>    - do not give the new subject thread a generic title like
>>>> 'question'
>>>> nor ask a question in the subject
>>>
>>> The problem w/ asking the question in the Subject is that the question
>>> needs to be in the body of the msg to provide a proper question context
>>> for someone to answer in their msg body.  They aren't going to be
>>> answering your qx up in the subject.
>>>
>>>> Having trouble with the last 2 Updates.
>>>>
>>> It depends on how you upped your Tb to a newer v.
>>>
>>> Did you do it from the Tb package at the moz site or did you do it w/
>>> your synaptic package manager or did you do it via flatpak, say from
>>> the
>>> software manager?
>>>
>>> And, in another thread whose Subject was 'question', I also said:
>>>
>>>> Personally, I don't update my Tb unless something I want is
>>>> missing; the 'if it ain't broke...' principle.
>>> Thu, 2 Mar 2023 10:06:16 -0800
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mike Easter
>>
>> The last one I did the .ppa method, the one before last was in my
>> software update manager. My thinking is to totally remove every
>> vestige of TB and find an earlier version that did not give be problems.
>>
>
> Airwolfe is going to blast this one on sight. This looks like an HTML
> posting.
> Some receiving servers filter off UTF8 Subject lines (emojis) or
> filter off full-fledged HTML postings. This post may be recorded in
> your Sent
> box, as proof you sent it. Which you did. Select servers then drop it.
> Or, the sending server may have a policy of rejecting these.
>
> http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3CI08NL.1440655%24iU59.1171261%40fx14.iad%3E
>
>       Content-Type: multipart/alternative
>
> Whereas these got through.
>
> http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3CV4PCL.306150%24t5W7.293963%40fx13.iad%3E
>
>       X-Mozilla-News-Host: snews://NEWS.NEWSHOSTING.COM:563
>
> http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C20230305180851.0caff19347fe97fb470a2f73%40none.net%3E
>
>       X-Newsreader: Sylpheed 3.5.1
>
> When a message is rejected at POST time, there should be an error code
> returned. On a good server, this may present a toast dialog.
>
> If you connect to port 119, and then use Wireshark, you can watch the
> POST attempt and record the (text, readable) error code if present.
>
> *******
>
> Create two profiles.
>
> Make one mail and one news.
>
> Put only mail in one. Put only News in the other.
> Set mail one to HTML. Disable HTML on the news one.
>
> Launch with thunderbird -p and make your selection. Or
> you can construct buttons on your distro, for launching with
> known names for the profiles (you don't have to go through
> the selector stage - the selector stage is just so you can
> see it).
>
> I haven't tested this, but don't see a reason the behavior of the
> two cannot be isolated from one another.
>
>    Paul

I checked the composition and it was set as 'automatic', I selected
'text only' , will see if this helps.

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On 2023-03-06, Nic wrote:
> [...]
> I checked the composition and it was set as 'automatic', I selected
> 'text only' , will see if this helps.
>

Unlike the post from tbird that started this thread, this one arrived
through e-s.

Guess e-s doesn't care for the HTML messages as others theorized.

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On 3/6/23 09:11, Dan Purgert wrote:
> On 2023-03-06, Nic wrote:
> > [...]
> > I checked the composition and it was set as 'automatic', I selected
> > 'text only' , will see if this helps.
>
>
> Unlike the post from tbird that started this thread, this one arrived
> through e-s.
>
> Guess e-s doesn't care for the HTML messages as others theorized.
>
>
> Lets see how this followup comes through

Paul wrote:
> http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3CI08NL.1440655%24iU59.1171261%40fx14.iad%3E
>
>
>       Content-Type: multipart/alternative

Tb configures any account (mail or news) to compose in html or plaintext
only and the default configuration is when posting in html to include
the plaintext part.

If a person has configured a Tb account to post in html (or plaintext),
the alternative can be chosen by holding the shift key when clicking on
such as write or reply or followup.

Naturally a Tb news account should be configured for plaintext. Your HK
link shows that the multipart html (+plaintext) msg was posted w/ Tb to
newshosting, which service allows binaries, html, etc whereas such as
e-s or NIN or many others do NOT allow html.

The NSPs which don't allow html have a range of strategies from not
accepting the message at all to trimming the html part. My NIN provider
showed me the same(but different) msg than the HK one above but only in
plaintext not html ie multipart posted via sylpheed and newshosting .

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=167812114200

So, Nic's msg/s might be posted to an NSP which allows html while he
attempts to read the msg/s at an NSP which does not. Or some other
possibilities :-)

--
Mike Easter

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On 2023-03-06, Nic wrote:
> On 3/6/23 09:11, Dan Purgert wrote:
>> On 2023-03-06, Nic wrote:
>> > [...]
>> > I checked the composition and it was set as 'automatic', I selected
>> > 'text only' , will see if this helps.
>>
>>
>> Unlike the post from tbird that started this thread, this one arrived
>> through e-s.
>>
>> Guess e-s doesn't care for the HTML messages as others theorized.
>>
>>
> Lets see how this followup comes through

Yep, got this one too.

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