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 by: Ant - Fri, 7 Jan 2022 22:32 UTC

Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Jan 2022 10:10:54 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
> wrote:

> >It all comes down to are you a hack-and-slash RPGer or a story based one.
> >It's definitely hack-and-slash, but then so is NetHack, and I would
> >consider that an RPG as well.

> This was always the basic distinction I made. I always preferred
> dungeon crawlers, MMOs and action RPGs which are all hack-and-slash
> types.

> I like storylines in my RPGs, to be clear, but there is just a point
> where there is just too much text to read through. I feel like I am
> not interacting anymore, but am just a passive observer. That is not
> what I want from a video game.

Ditto.
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On 07/01/2022 21:42, Mike S. wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 20:17:12 +0000, JAB <noway@co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Those two games have nothing to do with each other in terms of
>> playstyle. Why on earth do you think they are the same genre?
>
> Both games *are* classified as RPGs. You sound shocked that I would
> place both in the same category as if I am the only one doing this.
>
> RPGs on the computer cover a wide range of play styles. That is just
> the way it is. It is the same for action games and strategy games.

Yes I know they get "classified" in the same genre but as I keep saying
I don't understand why just as you have some stats that means you're
playing a role. Frankly it doesn't, it just means you have some stats.

Diablo really has nothing to do with what roleplaying is regardless of
whether people like to attach that label to them.

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 by: Mike S. - Fri, 7 Jan 2022 23:16 UTC

On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 22:50:46 +0000, JAB <noway@co.uk> wrote:

>Yes I know they get "classified" in the same genre but as I keep saying
>I don't understand why just as you have some stats that means you're
>playing a role. Frankly it doesn't, it just means you have some stats.

I don't agree. There is nothing else to say on the matter.

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 by: Mike S. - Fri, 7 Jan 2022 23:20 UTC

On Fri, 07 Jan 2022 16:31:51 -0600, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>I probably would hate it back then. I hate reading. :) Now, maybe if it
>had graphics since I played Atari 2600 games.

Hey, Rogue games had graphics! They had ASCII graphics!

Ok, actually I am not sure if that counts as graphics.

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 by: Ant - Fri, 7 Jan 2022 23:49 UTC

Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Jan 2022 16:31:51 -0600, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

> >I probably would hate it back then. I hate reading. :) Now, maybe if it
> >had graphics since I played Atari 2600 games.

> Hey, Rogue games had graphics! They had ASCII graphics!

Bleh. :P

> Ok, actually I am not sure if that counts as graphics.

Hah.
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 by: Ross Ridge - Sat, 8 Jan 2022 04:19 UTC

JAB <noway@co.uk> wrote:
>Yes I know they get "classified" in the same genre but as I keep saying
>I don't understand why just as you have some stats that means you're
>playing a role. Frankly it doesn't, it just means you have some stats.

Stats are what made role-playing into a game. Stats are what made just
dreaming of being a heroic fantasy character into something more concrete,
something more real. Stats are what have defined the RPG genre since
its inception with the first pen and paper RPGs. Computer RPGs changed
nothing.

Computer RPGs also didn't change the fact there's always been elitest
RPG snobs sneering down at other players for not being real role-players.

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 by: JAB - Sat, 8 Jan 2022 19:52 UTC

On 08/01/2022 04:19, Ross Ridge wrote:
> Computer RPGs also didn't change the fact there's always been elitest
> RPG snobs sneering down at other players for not being real role-players.
>

Probably best to get that chip off your shoulder.

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 by: Justisaur - Sun, 9 Jan 2022 02:53 UTC

On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 10:32:32 AM UTC-8, Ant wrote:
> Zaghadka <zagh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> > It all comes down to are you a hack-and-slash RPGer or a story based one.
> > It's definitely hack-and-slash, but then so is NetHack, and I would
> > consider that an RPG as well.
>
> > Diablo is NetHack with a little less brutal difficulty and a lot more
> > interactivity. Floor wax, meet dessert topping.
> DId any of you like Nethack, Rogue, etc.? I could never got into them.

I liked Rogue back in the day. I tried to get into Nethack, but it
required a lot of note taking to progress, and those notes were
no good for the next game as everything changes (something
like blue potions are healing one game, and poison the next.)
A little too involved. Rogue is the opposite, very simple.

- Justisaur

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On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 3:20:36 PM UTC-8, Mike S. wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Jan 2022 16:31:51 -0600, a...@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>
> >I probably would hate it back then. I hate reading. :) Now, maybe if it
> >had graphics since I played Atari 2600 games.
> Hey, Rogue games had graphics! They had ASCII graphics!
>
> Ok, actually I am not sure if that counts as graphics.

You can play Nethack with tiles, not sure on Rogue though.
@ - that's your character.
.. - that's a space on the floor.
g - oh no! It's a goblin!

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 by: Ross Ridge - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 17:21 UTC

Ross Ridge wrote:
> Computer RPGs also didn't change the fact there's always been elitest
> RPG snobs sneering down at other players for not being real role-players.

JAB <noway@co.uk> wrote:
>Probably best to get that chip off your shoulder.

Sorry, but that's exactly what you're doing here. You have no
justifcation for saying Diablo isn't RPG other than it's not real
role-playing.

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 by: JAB - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 18:26 UTC

On 10/01/2022 17:21, Ross Ridge wrote:
> Ross Ridge wrote:
>> Computer RPGs also didn't change the fact there's always been elitest
>> RPG snobs sneering down at other players for not being real role-players.
>
> JAB <noway@co.uk> wrote:
>> Probably best to get that chip off your shoulder.
>
> Sorry, but that's exactly what you're doing here. You have no
> justifcation for saying Diablo isn't RPG other than it's not real
> role-playing.
>

I didn't say it's not real role playing, I said it's not role playing at
all. As I say get that chip of your shoulder.

What's going to be your next trick, dice are used in RPG's therefore any
game that use dice is an RPG. It'll be about as stupid as what you've
already said.

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 by: Ross Ridge - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 21:32 UTC

Ross Ridge wrote:
> Computer RPGs also didn't change the fact there's always been elitest
> RPG snobs sneering down at other players for not being real role-players.
JAB <noway@co.uk> wrote:
> Probably best to get that chip off your shoulder.

Ross Ridge wrote:
> Sorry, but that's exactly what you're doing here. You have no
> justifcation for saying Diablo isn't RPG other than it's not real
> role-playing.

JAB <noway@co.uk> wrote:
>I didn't say it's not real role playing, I said it's not role playing at
>all.

That's saying the exact same thing.

> As I say get that chip of your shoulder.

I had hoped I might be able to provoke you into into at least trying
to come up with a reasonable justification that could be argued with,
instead of just repeating the same baseless "it's not role playing"
argument. I see now you're not trying to convince anyone but yourself.

--
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[oo][oo] rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
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 by: JAB - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 22:27 UTC

On 10/01/2022 21:32, Ross Ridge wrote:
> Ross Ridge wrote:
>> Computer RPGs also didn't change the fact there's always been elitest
>> RPG snobs sneering down at other players for not being real role-players.
>
> JAB <noway@co.uk> wrote:
>> Probably best to get that chip off your shoulder.
>
> Ross Ridge wrote:
>> Sorry, but that's exactly what you're doing here. You have no
>> justifcation for saying Diablo isn't RPG other than it's not real
>> role-playing.
>
> JAB <noway@co.uk> wrote:
>> I didn't say it's not real role playing, I said it's not role playing at
>> all.
>
> That's saying the exact same thing.
>
>> As I say get that chip of your shoulder.
>
> I had hoped I might be able to provoke you into into at least trying
> to come up with a reasonable justification that could be argued with,
> instead of just repeating the same baseless "it's not role playing"
> argument. I see now you're not trying to convince anyone but yourself.
>

Are you actually this fecking stupid. Oh well, RPG's have stats
therefore a game that has stats makes it an RPG. As I say just stupid.

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 by: Ross Ridge - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 00:42 UTC

Ross Ridge wrote:
> I had hoped I might be able to provoke you into into at least trying
> to come up with a reasonable justification that could be argued with,
> instead of just repeating the same baseless "it's not role playing"
> argument. I see now you're not trying to convince anyone but yourself.
JAB <noway@co.uk> wrote:
>Are you actually this fecking stupid. Oh well, RPG's have stats
>therefore a game that has stats makes it an RPG. As I say just stupid.

See? You won't even try to refute my argument, or anyone else's.
Instead you just create a strawman and call me stupid. You're not trying
to convince me or anyone else here that they're wrong.

You're nothing more than an elitest snob who thinks they don't have
to justify anything. Everyone who doesn't accept your assertion as
self-evident is just stupid. You're only trying to convince yourself
that you're smarter and better than everyone else.

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