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Re: twice the same column name

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 by: DFS - Wed, 8 Sep 2021 20:44 UTC

On 3/18/2020 2:52 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
> On 17/03/2020 19.54, Stefan Ram wrote:
>> tony@mountifield.org (Tony Mountifield) writes:
>>> I suppose the question is: why to you need to do this?
>>
>>    Thanks for answering, but I don't need to /do/ anything.
>>    I'd just like to /know/ the answers to my two questions.
>>    Why? For teaching purposes. (But knowing why I need the
>>    answers will not help answering the questions I'm afraid.)
>
> I would guess it may be mentioned in an ANSI documentation, maybe in one
> of those linked on this page:
> https://www.ansi.org/news_publications/news_story?menuid=7&articleid=753a952d-1244-415b-bb92-0010750bb8cd
>
>
> Just have your creditcard ready, as they seems to want 200+ USD for one
> document.

If you're a member. $250 if not.

I just chatted with someone at ansi.org and said your pdf prices were
too high and she said 'sorry you feel that way' and then asked 'Is there
anything else we may assist you with today?'.

You can complain at ess@ansi.org. I just did.

Re: twice the same column name

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Subject: Re: twice the same column name
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 by: John Levine - Wed, 8 Sep 2021 21:01 UTC

According to DFS <nospam@dfs.com>:
>> I would guess it may be mentioned in an ANSI documentation, maybe in one
>> of those linked on this page:
>> https://www.ansi.org/news_publications/news_story?menuid=7&articleid=753a952d-1244-415b-bb92-0010750bb8cd
>>
>> Just have your creditcard ready, as they seems to want 200+ USD for one
>> document.
>
>If you're a member. $250 if not.
>
>I just chatted with someone at ansi.org and said your pdf prices were
>too high and she said 'sorry you feel that way' and then asked 'Is there
>anything else we may assist you with today?'.
>
>You can complain at ess@ansi.org. I just did.

ANSI funds itself by selling copies of standards so I wouldn't waste my time.

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 by: DFS - Thu, 9 Sep 2021 14:36 UTC

On 9/8/2021 5:01 PM, John Levine wrote:
> According to DFS <nospam@dfs.com>:
>>> I would guess it may be mentioned in an ANSI documentation, maybe in one
>>> of those linked on this page:
>>> https://www.ansi.org/news_publications/news_story?menuid=7&articleid=753a952d-1244-415b-bb92-0010750bb8cd
>>>
>>> Just have your creditcard ready, as they seems to want 200+ USD for one
>>> document.
>>
>> If you're a member. $250 if not.
>>
>> I just chatted with someone at ansi.org and said your pdf prices were
>> too high and she said 'sorry you feel that way' and then asked 'Is there
>> anything else we may assist you with today?'.
>>
>> You can complain at ess@ansi.org. I just did.
>
> ANSI funds itself by selling copies of standards so I wouldn't waste my time.

What does ANSI.org do to justify such exorbitant prices? Nothing as far
as I can tell.

Most if not all the standards writers are employed in occupations where
they develop the expertise to write the standards. So they're already paid.

The 14-part SQL document would cost a non-member ~$3500. It's ridiculous.

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Subject: Re: standards, twice the same column name
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 by: John Levine - Fri, 10 Sep 2021 01:12 UTC

According to DFS <nospam@dfs.com>:
>> ANSI funds itself by selling copies of standards so I wouldn't waste my time.
>
>What does ANSI.org do to justify such exorbitant prices? Nothing as far
>as I can tell.
>
>Most if not all the standards writers are employed in occupations where
>they develop the expertise to write the standards. So they're already paid.

There is a lot of clerical and editorial work involved. BTDT.

The IETF gives away its standards for free, but only because the Internet
Society makes enough from .ORG to give it a $6 million/year subsidy.

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