On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 12:22:57 -0800, Stan Brown wrote:

> I do agree about the bloatware. An ordinary user might not know
> enough to trim it down, which is why I wrote this article:
> https://brownmath.com/general/7service.htm#iTunes
> I've done that in Windows 7 and Windows 8; as far as I know the same
> steps would also work in Windows 10. But instead, on my new Windows
> 10 PC I simply disabled the unneeded services.

Wow. You're different. You're NOT the average Usenet poster to this ng!

I must respond to this separately, as you _do_ seem to be an educated
person, which means I need to respond to you completely differently than I
do to the iKooks (none of whom have even so much as an undergrad degree).

I'm well educated in _multiple_ fields, as exemplified by these books:
<https://i.postimg.cc/jjkVvNTQ/books01.jpg> Genetics, Instrumentation
<https://i.postimg.cc/Dzzkq69w/books02.jpg> Vacuum tube technology ex.
<https://i.postimg.cc/cJD2dPnY/books03.jpg> Immunology, Biochem, Microbio
<https://i.postimg.cc/CKKrrJQK/books04.jpg> Simulation Analog & Digital
<https://i.postimg.cc/RVQPMjrF/books05.jpg> Custom and digital design
<https://i.postimg.cc/tRFk5L45/books06.jpg> Layout, testing, SOC modeling
<https://i.postimg.cc/s2SGzC8H/books07.jpg> Biomedical instrument design
<https://i.postimg.cc/SN3cbGv0/books08.jpg> Micro, parasitology, immuno
<https://i.postimg.cc/C5mRvN4H/books09.jpg> Old school vector transmission
<https://i.postimg.cc/rw8V0jfj/books10.jpg> Index for coronaviridae entries
<https://i.postimg.cc/6qdCpK0Y/books11.jpg> The Microelectronics Bible

I took a look at your site, because if you're going to spend the energy to
provide a clickable cite, it's my duty to at least click on it and read it.
<https://brownmath.com/general/7service.htm#iTunes>

In there, you state iTunes installs three services (that I know of):
a. Apple Mobile Device
b. Bonjour Service
c. iPod Service

Remember Quicktime? It's not a "service" but it was part of the bloat.

As an aside, we can dig up the threads, but nospam vehemently _defended_
that Quicktime was _required_ on Windows, way back when (where we need to
say that even Apple subsequently deprecated Quicktime, thank God).

Your own quote in your web page you linked to sums the bloatware up for us:
"When you run the iTunes setup program, it unpacks six Windows Installer
packages and a master setup program, which then installs nearly 300MB
of program and support files, a kernel-mode CD/DVD-burning driver,
multiple system services, and a bunch of browser plugins.
It configures two "helper" programs to start automatically every time
you start your PC, giving you no easy way to disable them.
It installs a network service that many iTunes users don't need
and that has been associated with security and reliability issues.
And you wonder why I dislike iTunes with a passion that burns like
the fire of a thousand suns?"
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-unofficial-guide-to-installing-itunes-10-without-bloatware/>

Actually, you only need that last line to summarize my feelings on iTunes.

Nonetheless, my point is that iTunes is not only bloatware, but it's also
a. Not sufficiently tested (as evidenced by bugs in the code for _years_)
b. Dangerous to use (as evidenced by iTunes summarily deleting MP3 files!)

Given I need to accord you more respect than I have to date, and given we
both agree on the unnecessary bloatware, which of the two additional claims
I made above do you want me to back up with reliable cites you can read)?
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 22:00:28 -0000 (UTC), Andy Burnelli wrote:

> Nonetheless, my point is that iTunes is not only bloatware, but it's also
> a. Not sufficiently tested (as evidenced by bugs in the code for _years_)
> b. Dangerous to use (as evidenced by iTunes summarily deleting MP3 files!)

Ooops.
And one more reason I dislike iTunes like the fire of a thousand suns.

1. iTunes is bloatware
2. iTunes is untested bloatware
3. iTunes is dangerous to use (it deletes your MP3 files unilaterally!)
4. And, iTunes always _removes_ functionality the instant you install it
(luckily, uninstalling iTunes instantly restores that lost functionality)

Every claim above, I can back up with reliable cites.
Because I don't say something unless it's based on the facts.

An example of that functionality is shown here with my iPods on Windows:
<https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg>

Luckily, Ubuntu solves _all_ these problems, as shown here with my PC:
<https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg>
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the uneducated iKooks (who never back up their wild fabricated claims).

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 16:38:41 -0500, nospam wrote:

> it's clear you have *no* clue what itunes does or how to use it, so
> it's no surprise you keep fucking up. it's also no surprise you keep
> blaming everyone other than yourself.

The adults will note that nospam will blame the user for all Apple faults.

The _adults_ on this newsgroup will also note we're still patiently waiting
for nospam to back up his wildly fabricated claims (where he took an old JPG
completely out of context) about how iTunes handles any iPod registered to
any account and any PC with iTunes on it and what iTunes will do to that
iPod given the MP3 files aren't _where_ Apple wants them to be.

Provide a reference that backs up what you claim iTunes does with MP3 files.
*Name Just One*
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In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 22:58:33 -0000 (UTC), Andy Burnelli wrote:
> > I used the freeware to turn any iPod into a USB stick (i.e., total freedom).
> >

> Or you could just mount it in Windows. I haven't tried it recently,
> but have done it in Windows 7 and 8.1. You just select "disk more",
> if I remember rightly. Neither iTunes nor third-party software needed
> if you want to use your iPod as a USB stick.

Yes, and you mean disk moDe. This worked in my old iPod nano 6G in my
decade old 64-bit W7 HPE SP1. However, you still need to use iTunes to
set that like in
https://www.copytrans.net/support/how-to-use-the-ipod-as-a-storage-drive-enable-disk-use/.
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 16:45:45 -0600, Ant wrote:

> In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 22:58:33 -0000 (UTC), Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>> I used the freeware to turn any iPod into a USB stick (i.e., total freedom).
>> Or you could just mount it in Windows. I haven't tried it recently,
>> but have done it in Windows 7 and 8.1. You just select "disk more",
>> if I remember rightly. Neither iTunes nor third-party software needed
>> if you want to use your iPod as a USB stick.
>
> Yes, and you mean disk moDe. This worked in my old iPod nano 6G in my
> decade old 64-bit W7 HPE SP1. However, you still need to use iTunes to
> set that like in
> https://www.copytrans.net/support/how-to-use-the-ipod-as-a-storage-drive-enable-disk-use/.

I appreciate that both Ant and Stan are _not_ iKooks, so I apologize to them
that I may have led them astray inadvertently about my "usb stick" comments.

What I mean by turning the iPod or iPHone or iPad into a read/write USB
stick is merely that it _still_ works as an iPod or iPhone or iPad.

At the same time that it works as an iPod, iPhone or iPad, it _also_ allows
any file on the PC to be copied anywhere to the iPod, iPhone or iPad.

Also at the same time that it works as an iPod, iPhone or iPad, it _also_
allows any file on the Apple device to be copied anywhere to the PC.

That's what I had meant by "total freedom" which is exactly how _all_ your
other devices work _except_ your Apple devices (e.g., Android works that
way).

Basically I give the convenience of Android USB file transfer to Apple
iPods, iPads, and iPhones (without making them into _only_ a USB stick).

Notice it's the very same use model Android uses.
And note that Apple _hates_ this use model.

It's not walled in.
They can't control what you do.

Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Disclaimer: AFAICT, someone(s?) is/are messing up Subject:, References:
> and Newgroups:, so proceed at your own risk.
>
> ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>
>> iTunes has its plus and minus, but for many it's still the correct
>> program, for others 3rd party music management is a better choices
>> Note: not recommending but have seen a few positive comments on
>> MusicBee as a alternative(iirc it is still free)
>
> Yes, MusicBee is very nice. I went from Windows Media Player and
> iTunes to MusicBee and never looked back. (N.B. Nothing negative about
> iTunes, just for *my* needs, MusicBee was 'better'.)
>

Yes, from what I've heard from others MusicBee works fine for the
features needed especially for a free product.

As far as iTunes negativity and any negativity on other topics(including
this news groups intended purpose - *Windows 10*) this group has and
will always have the multi-posting/cross-posting trolls.

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