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 by: Nic - Sat, 29 Apr 2023 19:27 UTC

https://unetbootin.github.io/linux_download.html

For the persistence on a thumb drive.

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 by: Mike Easter - Sat, 29 Apr 2023 20:30 UTC

Nic wrote:
> https://unetbootin.github.io/linux_download.html
>
> For the persistence on a thumb drive.
>
No, but I'm pretty sure I've used mkusb (ostensibly for Ub, but can work
w/ Deb) for live persistence on LMDE. Probably LMDE4 not 5 as I recall.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb/install-to-debian How to
install mkusb in Debian

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 by: Mike Easter - Sat, 29 Apr 2023 21:02 UTC

Mike Easter wrote:
> Nic wrote:
>> https://unetbootin.github.io/linux_download.html
>>
>> For the persistence on a thumb drive.
>>
> No, but I'm pretty sure I've used mkusb (ostensibly for Ub, but can work
> w/ Deb) for live persistence on LMDE.  Probably LMDE4 not 5 as I recall.
>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb
>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb/install-to-debian  How to
> install mkusb in Debian
>
Actually that 'lesson' is backward; it is about getting mkusb installed
in Debian instead of Ubuntu; but the target is to get a LMDE5 live USB
w/ persistence.

You might be able to do that w/ just using your regular LM w/ mkusb
installed which I know it will and use mkusb to make a Debian live w/
persistence. It will complain about the target .iso not being Ub, but I
think I recall doing that w/ LMDE4.

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On 4/29/23 17:02, Mike Easter wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> Nic wrote:
>>> https://unetbootin.github.io/linux_download.html
>>>
>>> For the persistence on a thumb drive.
>>>
>> No, but I'm pretty sure I've used mkusb (ostensibly for Ub, but can
>> work w/ Deb) for live persistence on LMDE.  Probably LMDE4 not 5 as I
>> recall.
>>
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb
>>
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb/install-to-debian  How to
>> install mkusb in Debian
>>
> Actually that 'lesson' is backward; it is about getting mkusb
> installed in Debian instead of Ubuntu; but the target is to get a
> LMDE5 live USB w/ persistence.
>
> You might be able to do that w/ just using your regular LM w/ mkusb
> installed which I know it will and use mkusb to make a Debian live w/
> persistence.  It will complain about the target .iso not being Ub, but
> I think I recall doing that w/ LMDE4.
>
>
So is it even possible to have LMDE5 installed to a thumb drive
w/persistence.  On a side note, how many Linux distros have a built in
persitence? I am pretty sure Puppy has.

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 by: Mike Easter - Sat, 29 Apr 2023 22:41 UTC

Nic wrote:
> So is it even possible to have LMDE5 installed to a thumb drive
> w/persistence.  On a side note, how many Linux distros have a built in
> persitence? I am pretty sure Puppy has.

Puppy's strategy or method of accomplishing persistence is my favorite.
None of the other methods do it that way.

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On 4/29/23 18:41, Mike Easter wrote:
> Nic wrote:
>> So is it even possible to have LMDE5 installed to a thumb drive
>> w/persistence.  On a side note, how many Linux distros have a built
>> in persitence? I am pretty sure Puppy has.
>
> Puppy's strategy or method of accomplishing persistence is my
> favorite. None of the other methods do it that way.
>
Is that for a cd/dvd or thumb drive?

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 by: Mike Easter - Sun, 30 Apr 2023 00:20 UTC

Nic wrote:
> Is that for a cd/dvd or thumb drive?

I've always done it live w/ a USB; you need to be able to write a
squashed file to something. There are some other ways, like a frugal
install.

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 by: Mike Easter - Sun, 30 Apr 2023 01:03 UTC

Mike Easter wrote:
> You might be able to do that w/ just using your regular LM w/ mkusb
> installed which I know it will and use mkusb to make a Debian live w/
> persistence.  It will complain about the target .iso not being Ub, but I
> think I recall doing that w/ LMDE4.

I booted a live LM21.1, added the mkusb .ppa and installed all of the
assorted mkusb files, then I used that mkusb to write a LMDE5 live w/
persistence to a USB.

mkusb gives a lot of warnings because it doesn't recognize Mint as
Ubuntu, but since it really is, it is just a 'semantics' issue.

I think there are faster ways to make a live w/ persistence.

Since rufus (Win) often offers to make persistence w/ some .iso/s, I
checked on that and Rufus also offers persistence w/ LMDE5. Rufus is
faster than mkusb.

I don't have Ventoy rigged for persistence, but it would be the fastest.

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 by: Nic - Sun, 30 Apr 2023 11:24 UTC

On 4/29/23 21:03, Mike Easter wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> You might be able to do that w/ just using your regular LM w/ mkusb
>> installed which I know it will and use mkusb to make a Debian live w/
>> persistence.  It will complain about the target .iso not being Ub,
>> but I think I recall doing that w/ LMDE4.
>
> I booted a live LM21.1, added the mkusb .ppa and installed all of the
> assorted mkusb files, then I used that mkusb to write a LMDE5 live w/
> persistence to a USB.
>
> mkusb gives a lot of warnings because it doesn't recognize Mint as
> Ubuntu, but since it really is, it is just a 'semantics' issue.
>
> I think there are faster ways to make a live w/ persistence.
>
> Since rufus (Win) often offers to make persistence w/ some .iso/s, I
> checked on that and Rufus also offers persistence w/ LMDE5. Rufus is
> faster than mkusb.
>
> I don't have Ventoy rigged for persistence, but it would be the fastest.
>
>
I managed to install LMDE5 to an Unbooting thumb drive. It booted up
nicely. I installed a program (Cherrytree) from the software manager and
found the most current file in the C: drive (Pimary mint). I restarted
and there was no persistence. Do you have a clue what would be the next
step?

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 by: Mike Easter - Sun, 30 Apr 2023 14:11 UTC

Nic wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>>
>> I booted a live LM21.1, added the mkusb .ppa and installed all of the
>> assorted mkusb files, then I used that mkusb to write a LMDE5 live w/
>> persistence to a USB.
>>
> I managed to install LMDE5 to an Unbooting thumb drive. It booted up
> nicely. I installed a program (Cherrytree) from the software manager and
> found the most current file in the C: drive (Pimary mint). I restarted
> and there was no persistence. Do you have a clue what would be the next
> step?

The result of using mkusb to make a persistent live causes that option
to appear in the boot menu; that is, the LMDE5 can be booted in one of 5
different ways:

start lmde5 cinn 64bit persistent live
" persistent live to ram
" live only to ram
" (just booting lmde5 cinn 64 live no other
conditions)

and two others, one allowing 'set language' and one 'compatibility mode'.

The problem w/ some alleged 'persistent' conditions is that the
persistence is only for such as 'data' but not persistence of various
system changes, which to me is no good.

I don't have experience w/ unetbootin. Does unetbootin give you options
of whether you want the boot to result in a persistence condition as I
described above?

--
Mike Easter

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On 4/30/23 10:11, Mike Easter wrote:
> Nic wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>>
>>> I booted a live LM21.1, added the mkusb .ppa and installed all of
>>> the assorted mkusb files, then I used that mkusb to write a LMDE5
>>> live w/ persistence to a USB.
>>>
>> I managed to install LMDE5 to an Unbooting thumb drive. It booted up
>> nicely. I installed a program (Cherrytree) from the software manager
>> and found the most current file in the C: drive (Pimary mint). I
>> restarted and there was no persistence. Do you have a clue what would
>> be the next step?
>
> The result of using mkusb to make a persistent live causes that option
> to appear in the boot menu; that is, the LMDE5 can be booted in one of
> 5 different ways:
>
> start lmde5 cinn 64bit persistent live
>           "               persistent live to ram
>           "                live only to ram
>           "            (just booting lmde5 cinn 64 live no other
> conditions)
>
> and two others, one allowing 'set language' and one 'compatibility mode'.
>
> The problem w/ some alleged 'persistent' conditions is that the
> persistence is only for such as 'data' but not persistence of various
> system changes, which to me is no good.
>
> I don't have experience w/ unetbootin.  Does unetbootin give you
> options of whether you want the boot to result in a persistence
> condition as I described above?
>
>
I copied this from the Grub Menu.cfg

if loadfont /boot/grub/font.pf2 ; then
    set gfxmode=auto
    insmod efi_gop
    insmod efi_uga
    insmod gfxterm
    terminal_output gfxterm
fi

set menu_color_normal=white/black
set menu_color_highlight=black/light-gray

menuentry "Start LMDE 5 Cinnamon 32-bit" --class linuxmint {
    set gfxpayload=keep
    linux   /live/vmlinuz boot=live live-config live-media-path=/live
quiet splash --
    initrd  /live/initrd.lz
} menuentry "Start LMDE 5 Cinnamon 32-bit (compatibility mode)" {
    linux   /live/vmlinuz boot=live live-config live-media-path=/live
ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram rw xforcevesa noapic noacpi nosplash
irqpoll --
    initrd  /live/initrd.lz
} menuentry "Check the integrity of the medium" {
    linux   /live/vmlinuz  boot=live verify-checksums
live-media-path=/live --
    initrd  /live/initrd.lz
}

and this from the Loopback.cfg
menuentry "Start Linux Mint Cinnamon 32-bit (5)" {
    set gfxpayload=keep
    linux   /live/vmlinuz boot=live live-config live-media-path=/live
quiet splash --
    initrd  /live/initrd.lz
} menuentry "Start Linux Mint Cinnamon 32-bit (5) (compatibility mode)" {
    linux   /live/vmlinuz boot=live live-config live-media-path=/live
ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram rw noapic noacpi nosplash irqpoll --
    initrd  /live/initrd.lz
} menuentry "Check the integrity of the medium" {
    linux   /live/vmlinuz  boot=live verify-checksums
live-media-path=/live --
    initrd  /live/initrd.lz
}

I don't see any mention of persistence.

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 by: Mike Easter - Sun, 30 Apr 2023 15:28 UTC

Nic wrote:
> I don't see any mention of persistence.

I see a screenshot of unetbootin offering to let you reserve some space
on the USB to 'preserve files across reboots'. That doesn't sound to me
like the kind of persistence I would want.

This ancient mint forum msg isn't actually very helpful because it is so
very old Mar 25, 2011

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=69150 How to make a
UNetbootin installation persistent?

One distro which provides a complex 'array' of persistence options is MX.

One big problem w/ the term 'persistence' is that it means a lot of
different things; and it seems that the people who write articles about
persistence don't seem to understand the complexity of it.

Here's an example for unetbootin:

https://www.linuxuprising.com/2020/11/bootable-live-usb-creator-unetbootin.html

That guy doesn't know one persistence from another.

--
Mike Easter

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 by: Mike Easter - Sun, 30 Apr 2023 15:49 UTC

Mike Easter wrote:
> That guy doesn't know one persistence from another.

Here's an example of an article (from 2019) that does understand:

https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/03/create-persistent-storage-live-usb-with.html

> When you create a regular Linux live USB, you can install software,
> download files, make changes to the system, and so on, but all of
> these changes are lost after a reboot. A persistent live USB allows
> saving any changes you make to the live system, so the they are still
> present the next time you boot to it.

That article is about mkusb, and its interface is much better since it
has evolved since 2019. It also mentions Rufus for Win.

A place to get a real education about persistence is from some topics in
the Ubuntu forum where Sudodus (handle for Nio Wiklund) hangs out; he is
the creator and supporter of mkusb and there are a great many pages of
support help from him in the ub forum.

--
Mike Easter

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 by: Nic - Sun, 30 Apr 2023 16:53 UTC

On 4/30/23 11:49, Mike Easter wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> That guy doesn't know one persistence from another.
>
> Here's an example of an article (from 2019) that does understand:
>
> https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/03/create-persistent-storage-live-usb-with.html
>
>
>> When you create a regular Linux live USB, you can install software,
>> download files, make changes to the system, and so on, but all of
>> these changes are lost after a reboot. A persistent live USB allows
>> saving any changes you make to the live system, so the they are still
>> present the next time you boot to it.
>
> That article is about mkusb, and its interface is much better since it
> has evolved since 2019.  It also mentions Rufus for Win.
>
> A place to get a real education about persistence is from some topics
> in the Ubuntu forum where Sudodus (handle for Nio Wiklund) hangs out;
> he is the creator and supporter of mkusb and there are a great many
> pages of support help from him in the ub forum.
>
>
It seems that Ub is the base for much of the artcles, whereas I am
trying to work with the Debian version of LM. I am going to abandon my
work with Unbootin and try again with mkusb.

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 by: Mike Easter - Mon, 1 May 2023 00:44 UTC

Mike Easter wrote:
> then I used that mkusb to write a LMDE5 live w/ persistence to a USB.

The resultant LMDE5 live w/ persistence created by mkusb (which is also
'dus') has a somewhat complex disk structure (5 parts) in terms of
partitions.

I looked at it w/ both GPartEd and disktype.

You can also look at the structure of your usb w/ lmde5 the same way.
GPartEd is installed by default, disktype is in the repo/s.

--
Mike Easter

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 by: Mike Easter - Mon, 1 May 2023 00:57 UTC

Nic wrote:
> I am going to abandon my work with Unbootin and try again with mkusb.

Good idea. I've used mkusb for satisfactory live w/ persistence quite a
bit, usually w/ Ubuntu-like distro/s such as Mint and KDE Neon, but also
Debians such as Sparky and now LMDE5.

You will get significant warnings from the mkusb process including if
you are going to do it w/ LM and there are some decisions that may seem
confusing, but 'hang in there' and go with the defaults.

--
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 by: Nic - Mon, 1 May 2023 10:57 UTC

On 4/30/23 20:57, Mike Easter wrote:
> Nic wrote:
>> I am going to abandon my work with Unbootin and try again with mkusb.
>
> Good idea.  I've used mkusb for satisfactory live w/ persistence quite
> a bit, usually w/ Ubuntu-like distro/s such as Mint and KDE Neon, but
> also Debians such as Sparky and now LMDE5.
>
> You will get significant warnings from the mkusb process including if
> you are going to do it w/ LM and there are some decisions that may
> seem confusing, but 'hang in there' and go with the defaults.
>
After considerable time and repeated failure I give up on mkusb and
LMDE5. I think I may have destroyed a 31gb thumb drive. I can no longer
format the entire drive, there is a 1 mg segment that refuses to be
formatted, and thus I think it may be screwing with the mkusb process.
It seems that mkusb see's the LMDE5.iso as some non Ub or Deb os and
suggests that some kind of tweaking might be necessary.

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 by: Mike Easter - Mon, 1 May 2023 16:03 UTC

Nic wrote:
> I think I may have destroyed a 31gb thumb drive. I can no longer format
> the entire drive, there is a 1 mg segment that refuses to be formatted,

For formatting problems, the first formatter I turn to is Rufus, a win
tool. Some formatters incl that which mkusb uses don't handle all
partitioning well.

When I first experimented w/ mkusb for this thread, I already had the
LMDE5 *beta* dl/ed and I used a USB which had been partitioned for some
other project. The result didn't want to boot.

So, I brought my LMDE5 up to date by dl/ing the released v and formatted
the same USB using Rufus before I turned it over to mkusb.

That result turned out just fine.

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 by: Mike Easter - Mon, 1 May 2023 17:11 UTC

Mike Easter wrote:
> For formatting problems, the first formatter I turn to is Rufus, a win
> tool.

Rufus is also good for some distro/s live w/ persistence, incl LMDE5.

Rufus recently released its v 4; but the last v which will run under
Win7 is 3.22. On those occasions I use Win for something it is W7.

--
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 by: Mike Easter - Mon, 1 May 2023 17:46 UTC

Mike Easter wrote:
> Nic wrote:
>> I don't see any mention of persistence.
>
> I see a screenshot of unetbootin offering to let you reserve some space
> on the USB to 'preserve files across reboots'.  That doesn't sound to me
> like the kind of persistence I would want.
>
> One big problem w/ the term 'persistence' is that it means a lot of
> different things; and it seems that the people who write articles about
> persistence don't seem to understand the complexity of it.
>
> That guy doesn't know one persistence from another.
>
Aha.

I'm finding some 'discrimination' in using the term persistence w/
'qualification'.

The phrase is 'persistent storage'.

I think that such as Rufus and likely UNetBootIn make 'persistent
storage', whereas mkusb makes real persistence for the system as well as
storage.

Such as MX gives the user greater control over the persistence than any
other, including Puppy. Puppy is the simplest because of how Puppy
works; it just lumps everything together. MX doesn't lump, it
/requires/ the user to decide up front what kind of persistence to use.

--
Mike Easter

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 by: Nic - Mon, 1 May 2023 18:20 UTC

On 5/1/23 13:46, Mike Easter wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> Nic wrote:
>>> I don't see any mention of persistence.
>>
>> I see a screenshot of unetbootin offering to let you reserve some
>> space on the USB to 'preserve files across reboots'.  That doesn't
>> sound to me like the kind of persistence I would want.
>>
>> One big problem w/ the term 'persistence' is that it means a lot of
>> different things; and it seems that the people who write articles
>> about persistence don't seem to understand the complexity of it.
>>
>> That guy doesn't know one persistence from another.
>>
> Aha.
>
> I'm finding some 'discrimination' in using the term persistence w/
> 'qualification'.
>
> The phrase is 'persistent storage'.
>
> I think that such as Rufus and likely UNetBootIn make 'persistent
> storage', whereas mkusb makes real persistence for the system as well
> as storage.
>
> Such as MX gives the user greater control over the persistence than
> any other, including Puppy.  Puppy is the simplest because of how
> Puppy works; it just lumps everything together.  MX doesn't lump, it
> /requires/ the user to decide up front what kind of persistence to use.
>
I gave it one more effort, re: that usb thumb drive that would not
format (either in Gnome Disks or gParted), I tried to format to NTFS and
then I could format to Fat32 in gParted, which is what mksusb is looking
for. Long story short, mkusb completed successfully, but the drive would
NOT BOOT! There has to be some other way to use persistent storage on a
live thumb drive, something built in to the LMDE5 OS. Depending on how
much of the OS is loaded into ram and if I could access the thumb
drive/live medium to create a partition for storage...

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 by: Mike Easter - Mon, 1 May 2023 18:58 UTC

Nic wrote:
> There has to be some other way to use persistent storage on a live thumb
> drive, something built in to the LMDE5 OS.

Well, you don't make a LMDE5 live w/ persistence /from/ LMDE5 (itself).
You are going to be booting 'something else' perhaps your own LM and
using that to create the live w/ persistence.

There are some 'roundabout' ways of making persistence, but I consider
them too complicated. I haven't even gotten around to learning how to
use Ventoy to make persistence yet; but for all I know its persistence
is just storage.

Puppy's (which only is for itself) and MX (which is also for itself) and
mkusb which is for a few others are the most 'reliable' routes I know of.

I believe I could use my LMDE5 w/ persistence that I made w/ mkusb to
install mkusb to itself (as I described in my first response in this
thread when my thinking wasn't 'straight') so that I can make other live
w/ persistence USBs w/ LMDE5 + mkusb.

--
Mike Easter

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 by: Mike Easter - Mon, 1 May 2023 21:21 UTC

Nic wrote:
> There has to be some other way to use persistent storage on a live thumb
> drive,

This thread was done some 9 y ago, but has been updated 2 y ago. It
discusses the methods to make a persistent Debian more or less
'manually'; then it gets to the use of mkusb to do it.

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/118965/how-to-create-a-debian-live-usb-with-persistence
How to create a Debian live USB with persistence?

Another useful thing about the thread is that it has comments by Sudodus
in it. Anytime sudodus has something to say about persistence, it is
worth listening/reading.

It also has a link to a mkusb-minp article which I hadn't read before.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb/minp

IMO, in spite of your/Nic's 'troubles' w/ mkusb, that is the most
practical route to getting the LMDE5 live + the kind of persistence he
wants.

I've been using a LM 20.1 built w/ mkusb w/ persistence for a very long
time, over 2 y, it was released 2021 Jan. It is very 'sturdy'.

--
Mike Easter

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 by: Mike Easter - Mon, 1 May 2023 21:40 UTC

Nic wrote:
> There has to be some other way to use persistent storage on a live
> thumb drive,

This is some very useful reading which I found from working on Debian
and live persistence.

https://www.linux.com/training-tutorials/creating-debian-live-usb-flash-drive-persistence-non-techies/
Creating a Debian Live USB Flash Drive with Persistence for Non-Techies
(2011 Mar)

.... but, a VERY important link at the beginning was b0rken:

> There are many more options not covered in this article which are
> explained in detail in Debian-live’s manual. You can find it here.
> (b0rken link - http://live.debian.net/manual/)

But I worked on finding that deb live manual which is VERY extensive,
incl its persistence section.

https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live-manual/html/live-manual/index.en.html

https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live-manual/html/live-manual/customizing-run-time-behaviours.en.html#556

I wish that I already knew everything on that page so I wouldn't have to
spend so much time studying it now!

--
Mike Easter

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 by: Mike Easter - Mon, 1 May 2023 22:13 UTC

Mike Easter wrote:
> But I worked on finding that deb live manual which is VERY extensive,
> incl its persistence section.

The deb live manual describes using a persistence option in the Debian
boot menu and having a partition named persistence and having a file on
that partition named partition.conf -- all of which the mkusb USB I made
for LMDE5 has.

So, apparently mkusb knows how to deal w/ what deb live manual is
describing; I also presume there is a great deal of carry-over in this
between Debian, on which Ubuntu is based and Ubuntu, which has its own
repo/s and differences from Debian.

I would much rather use mkusb than to manually create all that that
persistence page has to say.

--
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