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From: phi...@news.novabbs.com (philo)
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 by: philo - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 02:06 UTC

A friend brought over her Macbook which she is locked out of. She claims she never changed her password and that it happened after she linked it to her phone.
All she can do is log-in as guest.

I found that the machine has a BIOS lock so I cannot perform any of the normal reset procedures.

Before I have her take it to the Apple store...anything else I should try?

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 by: nospam - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 02:55 UTC

In article <b5abfb3c99062d534bad195e85ee3c1a@news.novabbs.com>, philo
<philo@news.novabbs.com> wrote:

> A friend brought over her Macbook which she is locked out of. She claims she
> never changed her password and that it happened after she linked it to her
> phone.
> All she can do is log-in as guest.
>
> I found that the machine has a BIOS lock so I cannot perform any of the
> normal reset procedures.

macs use efi, not bios, and there isn't a 'bios lock'.

what 'normal reset procedures' did you try?

> Before I have her take it to the Apple store...anything else I should try?

you haven't said what you tried so far and what happened. you also
haven't said what macbook it is or what version of mac os it has.

you previously claimed you knew how to search apple's knowledgebase.
you could try that.

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202860>

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 by: Bernd Froehlich - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 07:43 UTC

On 3. Dec 2021 at 03:06:02 CET, "philo" <philo> wrote:

> A friend brought over her Macbook which she is locked out of. She claims she
> never changed her password and that it happened after she linked it to her
> phone.
> All she can do is log-in as guest.
>
> I found that the machine has a BIOS lock so I cannot perform any of the normal
> reset procedures.
>
> Before I have her take it to the Apple store...anything else I should try?

This should help: <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201487>

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 by: Bernd Froehlich - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 07:45 UTC

On 3. Dec 2021 at 08:43:14 CET, "Bernd Froehlich" <befr@eaglesoft.de>
wrote:

> On 3. Dec 2021 at 03:06:02 CET, "philo" <philo> wrote:
>
>> A friend brought over her Macbook which she is locked out of. She claims she
>> never changed her password and that it happened after she linked it to her
>> phone.
>> All she can do is log-in as guest.
>>
>> I found that the machine has a BIOS lock so I cannot perform any of the normal
>> reset procedures.
>>
>> Before I have her take it to the Apple store...anything else I should try?
>
>
> This should help: <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201487>

Oops, wrong link. Thos one is better:
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202860>

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 by: philo - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 08:48 UTC

Thanks for the reply.
The problem is that if I try to sign in using her Apple account and take the "forget password" option, it brings up her browser which requires authorization in order to connect.
It asks for her password...which no longer works.

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 by: philo - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 09:02 UTC

On 12/3/21 1:45 AM, Bernd Froehlich wrote:
> On 3. Dec 2021 at 08:43:14 CET, "Bernd Froehlich" <befr@eaglesoft.de>
> wrote:
>
>> On 3. Dec 2021 at 03:06:02 CET, "philo" <philo> wrote:
>>
>>> A friend brought over her Macbook which she is locked out of. She claims she
>>> never changed her password and that it happened after she linked it to her
>>> phone.
>>> All she can do is log-in as guest.
>>>
>>> I found that the machine has a BIOS lock so I cannot perform any of the normal
>>> reset procedures.
>>>
>>> Before I have her take it to the Apple store...anything else I should try?
>>
>>
>> This should help: <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201487>
>
> Oops, wrong link. Thos one is better:
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202860>
>

Too early in the morning but I will check with the owner to see if she
can get the password reset option that I've requested, on her phone's email.

So possibly there is hope.

Her Apple Account password is accepted at least.

Thank you

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 by: Jolly Roger - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 14:27 UTC

On 2021-12-03, philo <philo@news.novabbs.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the reply.
> The problem is that if I try to sign in using her Apple account and
> take the "forget password" option, it brings up her browser which
> requires authorization in order to connect. It asks for her
> password...which no longer works.

It doesn't sound like you are familiar enough with Macs or Apple to help
efficiently.

Tell her to contact Apple support, who will happily work with you for
free over chat, phone, or in person at your local Apple retail store to
resolve your issue. Just start here and follow the prompts:

<https://support.apple.com/contact>

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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 by: philo - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 14:50 UTC

Direct to JR.

If I was a Mac expert, I would not be asking here.

I have a lot of experience with PC's but very little with Mac.
However the dialog to reset her MacBook was sent to her email and she just informed me she did not get it.

I surmise that she must have been using a different email address when she first got her machine, so I have asked her if she has access to any former email accounts she might have had.

If not, I will give her the link you provided.

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 by: nospam - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 15:06 UTC

In article <f6783352eb82d0704c75d4927c46c0c1@news.novabbs.com>, philo
<philo@news.novabbs.com> wrote:

>
> I have a lot of experience with PC's but very little with Mac.

refer her to someone who actually has mac experience.

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 by: philo - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 16:36 UTC

On 12/2/21 8:06 PM, philo wrote:
> A friend brought over her Macbook which she is locked out of. She claims
> she never changed her password and that it happened after she linked it
> to her phone.
> All she can do is log-in as guest.
>
> I found that the machine has a BIOS lock so I cannot perform any of the
> normal reset procedures.
>
> Before I have her take it to the Apple store...anything else I should try?

She was able to access her other email and give me her verification code.

When I tried to sign into iCloud on her computer after I enter her Apple
ID and password, I get a pop up window stating that I must type password
followed by verification code.

There is no box to enter enter the verification code and it will not let
me log in if I type it after her password

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 by: philo - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 17:56 UTC

Ok.
I was able to sign into her account from my own computer but as far as password reset options...the only device listed was her phone.

I went back to her computer and tried the password reset option but the webpage dialog box was blocked by parental controls. From the guest account there is no way to change that without knowing the admin password.

I can't even boot from an OSX install USB stick due to the BIOS lock.

She actually did have the BIOS password written down but that too was incorrect.

I still don't know why linking her phone to her MacBook would have invalidated her p/w. She claims she did not change it.

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 by: nospam - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 19:35 UTC

In article <623cc21ff33d11ecbd610b608649ba11@news.novabbs.com>, philo
<philo@news.novabbs.com> wrote:

> Ok.
> I was able to sign into her account from my own computer but as far as
> password reset options...the only device listed was her phone.
>
> I went back to her computer and tried the password reset option but the
> webpage dialog box was blocked by parental controls. From the guest account
> there is no way to change that without knowing the admin password.

what webpage dialog? resetting the password is done locally. no
webpages involved.

> I can't even boot from an OSX install USB stick due to the BIOS lock.
>
> She actually did have the BIOS password written down but that too was
> incorrect.

there is no bios. intel macs use efi. older powermacs used open
firmware.

what you describe is a firmware password, which she would have had to
enable, for some reason.

if she has no idea what it is, apple can reset it, but it will require
proof of ownership, for reasons that should be obvious.

it also doesn't matter, since the admin password is the problem, not
the firmware password, although it's possible they're the same.

> I still don't know why linking her phone to her MacBook would have
> invalidated her p/w. She claims she did not change it.

linked how? that does not make sense.

they both can be on the same icloud account, if that's what you mean.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 20:45 UTC

On 2021-12-03, philo <philo@news.novabbs.com> wrote:
>
> I can't even boot from an OSX install USB stick due to the BIOS lock.

That's intentional, as it prevents the machine from being useful to
strangers.

> She actually did have the BIOS password written down but that too was
> incorrect.

Please use the correct terminology. It's called a "firmware passcode" -
Macs do not use BIOS.

> I still don't know why linking her phone to her MacBook would have
> invalidated her p/w.i

"Linking" isn't a term that is typically used, so what she actually did
is anyone's guess. Syncing her iPhone with her Mac wouldn't change any
passwords. So either she's mistaken, or she's not telling you
everything.

--
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 by: Jolly Roger - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 20:47 UTC

On 2021-12-03, philo <philo@news.novabbs.com> wrote:
> Direct to JR.
>
> If I was a Mac expert, I would not be asking here.
> I have a lot of experience with PC's but very little with Mac.

Yes, that's my point. She'd be much better off talking directly with
someone who *is* familiar with Macs.

> If not, I will give her the link you provided.

The link I provided is Apple Support, who will be able to help her *far*
more efficiently than you or anyone here.

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 by: philo - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 20:58 UTC

To JR

Yep. I gave her the link.

I also informed her that if she does end up taking it in to the Apple store to have them clear the bios password.

On a PC, that's as simple as removing the cmos battery.

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In article <4fd5f6c83f05512739dd40c2b0f986fa@news.novabbs.com>, philo
<philo@news.novabbs.com> wrote:

>
> I also informed her that if she does end up taking it in to the Apple store
> to have them clear the bios password.

it would be very surprising that there is a firmware password. few
people know about that and it's non-trivial to set one.

if there really is a firmware password (which i doubt), then for apple
to reset it, she will need to bring proof of ownership.

otherwise, someone could bring in a stolen mac, claim it's theirs and
get apple to reset it. instant free mac. that would be bad.

> On a PC, that's as simple as removing the cmos battery.

which makes that completely useless, plus there is no cmos battery to
remove on a mac anyway.

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 by: nospam - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 21:43 UTC

In article <j0vdvoFpkvdU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2021-12-03, philo <philo@news.novabbs.com> wrote:
> > I can't even boot from an OSX install USB stick due to the BIOS lock.
>
> That's intentional, as it prevents the machine from being useful to
> strangers.

yep.

it's also unlikely that there is a firmware password set, especially
for personal machines.

corporate macs typically enable it, and if that's the case, then she
needs to talk to her boss or whoever actually owns the computer.

> > She actually did have the BIOS password written down but that too was
> > incorrect.
>
> Please use the correct terminology. It's called a "firmware passcode" -
> Macs do not use BIOS.
>
> > I still don't know why linking her phone to her MacBook would have
> > invalidated her p/w.i
>
> "Linking" isn't a term that is typically used, so what she actually did
> is anyone's guess. Syncing her iPhone with her Mac wouldn't change any
> passwords. So either she's mistaken, or she's not telling you
> everything.

more likely that he doesn't understand what she's saying, thinking that
it's the same as a windows pc. not surprisingly, it's not.

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 by: philo - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 22:14 UTC

On 12/3/21 2:45 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2021-12-03, philo <philo@news.novabbs.com> wrote:
>>
>> I can't even boot from an OSX install USB stick due to the BIOS lock.
>
> That's intentional, as it prevents the machine from being useful to
> strangers.
>
>> She actually did have the BIOS password written down but that too was
>> incorrect.
>
> Please use the correct terminology. It's called a "firmware passcode" -
> Macs do not use BIOS.
>
>> I still don't know why linking her phone to her MacBook would have
>> invalidated her p/w.i
>
> "Linking" isn't a term that is typically used, so what she actually did
> is anyone's guess. Syncing her iPhone with her Mac wouldn't change any
> passwords. So either she's mistaken, or she's not telling you
> everything.
>

As a mostly PC person I did err when I used the terminology "bios
password" but it does not change the fact that I am locked out.

It absolutely does have a firmawre passcode.
She worked for a large corporation that went out of business and was
allowed the keep her company laptop once the IT dept setup a personal
account and removed the company's.

Even though I am way more familiar with PC's , I have repaired quite a
few Macs and have never seen this before. I have often reset lost
passwords and was surprised at how easy that is to do.

I cannot boot from USB without the firmare passcode nor can I use any of
the recovery options at all.

Also, I have no idea what she did to negate the password (as you said it
was evidently "syncing") ...but do agree that it she must have done
something because passwords don't just change themselves.

My guess is that she never knew the password and it had simply been set
to automatically log-in and perhaps she simply took it off auto-login.

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 by: nospam - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 22:22 UTC

In article <soe4si$1heb$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
wrote:
>
> It absolutely does have a firmawre passcode.
> She worked for a large corporation that went out of business and was
> allowed the keep her company laptop once the IT dept setup a personal
> account and removed the company's.

that is new information.

apparently, the company didn't remove the firmware password that they
put in place.

apple will not reset the firmware password unless she has documentation
that the ownership was transferred from the company to her. i suspect
this does not exist.

absent proper documentation, her options are either try to find out
what the password was, perhaps from another person who worked there, or
flip it for parts.

>
> My guess is that she never knew the password and it had simply been set
> to automatically log-in and perhaps she simply took it off auto-login.

that is a reasonable guess, but not the only possibility.

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From: Dav...@invalid.E-S (David Brooks)
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Subject: Re: password no longer works Minor progress
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 by: David Brooks - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 23:28 UTC

On 03/12/2021 20:45, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2021-12-03, philo <philo@news.novabbs.com> wrote:
>>
>> I can't even boot from an OSX install USB stick due to the BIOS lock.
>
> That's intentional, as it prevents the machine from being useful to
> strangers.
>
>> She actually did have the BIOS password written down but that too was
>> incorrect.
>
> Please use the correct terminology. It's called a "firmware passcode" -
> Macs do not use BIOS.
>
>> I still don't know why linking her phone to her MacBook would have
>> invalidated her p/w.i
>
> "Linking" isn't a term that is typically used, so what she actually did
> is anyone's guess. Syncing her iPhone with her Mac wouldn't change any
> passwords. So either she's mistaken, or she's not telling you
> everything.

Do you recall telling me that the reason I couldn't start in Safe Boot
mode was because I had set a firmware password?

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From: phi...@privacy.net (philo)
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Subject: Re: password no longer works Minor progress
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 by: philo - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 23:31 UTC

On 12/3/21 5:28 PM, David Brooks wrote:
> On 03/12/2021 20:45, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2021-12-03, philo <philo@news.novabbs.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can't even boot from an OSX install USB stick due to the BIOS lock.
>>
>> That's intentional, as it prevents the machine from being useful to
>> strangers.
>>
>>> She actually did have the BIOS password written down but that too was
>>> incorrect.
>>
>> Please use the correct terminology. It's called a "firmware passcode" -
>> Macs do not use BIOS.
>>
>>> I still don't know why linking her phone to her MacBook would have
>>> invalidated her p/w.i
>>
>> "Linking" isn't a term that is typically used, so what she actually did
>> is anyone's guess.  Syncing her iPhone with her Mac wouldn't change any
>> passwords. So either she's mistaken, or she's not telling you
>> everything.
>
>
> Do you recall telling me that the reason I couldn't start in Safe Boot
> mode was because I had set a firmware password?
>

I have a pretty good memory but don't recall that one.

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 by: David Brooks - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 23:35 UTC

On 03/12/2021 23:31, philo wrote:
> On 12/3/21 5:28 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>> On 03/12/2021 20:45, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2021-12-03, philo <philo@news.novabbs.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I can't even boot from an OSX install USB stick due to the BIOS lock.
>>>
>>> That's intentional, as it prevents the machine from being useful to
>>> strangers.
>>>
>>>> She actually did have the BIOS password written down but that too was
>>>> incorrect.
>>>
>>> Please use the correct terminology. It's called a "firmware passcode" -
>>> Macs do not use BIOS.
>>>
>>>> I still don't know why linking her phone to her MacBook would have
>>>> invalidated her p/w.i
>>>
>>> "Linking" isn't a term that is typically used, so what she actually did
>>> is anyone's guess.  Syncing her iPhone with her Mac wouldn't change any
>>> passwords. So either she's mistaken, or she's not telling you
>>> everything.
>>
>>
>> Do you recall telling me that the reason I couldn't start in Safe Boot
>> mode was because I had set a firmware password?
>>
>
>
>
> I have a pretty good memory but don't recall that one.

Pssst!

I was asking Jolly Roger! ;-)

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From: phi...@privacy.net (philo)
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Subject: Re: password no longer works Minor progress
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 by: philo - Fri, 3 Dec 2021 23:46 UTC

On 12/3/21 5:35 PM, David Brooks wrote:
> On 03/12/2021 23:31, philo wrote:
>> On 12/3/21 5:28 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>>> On 03/12/2021 20:45, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2021-12-03, philo <philo@news.novabbs.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't even boot from an OSX install USB stick due to the BIOS lock.
>>>>
>>>> That's intentional, as it prevents the machine from being useful to
>>>> strangers.
>>>>
>>>>> She actually did have the BIOS password written down but that too was
>>>>> incorrect.
>>>>
>>>> Please use the correct terminology. It's called a "firmware passcode" -
>>>> Macs do not use BIOS.
>>>>
>>>>> I still don't know why linking her phone to her MacBook would have
>>>>> invalidated her p/w.i
>>>>
>>>> "Linking" isn't a term that is typically used, so what she actually did
>>>> is anyone's guess.  Syncing her iPhone with her Mac wouldn't change any
>>>> passwords. So either she's mistaken, or she's not telling you
>>>> everything.
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you recall telling me that the reason I couldn't start in Safe
>>> Boot mode was because I had set a firmware password?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a pretty good memory but don't recall that one.
>
>
>
> Pssst!
>
> I was asking Jolly Roger!  ;-)
>

Whew, glad my memory had not failed.

If Jolly Rodger mentioned to you "firmware password," that sort of
negates the comment that no one uses them.

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 by: nospam - Sat, 4 Dec 2021 00:38 UTC

In article <soea8a$1bq8$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
wrote:

> If Jolly Rodger mentioned to you "firmware password," that sort of
> negates the comment that no one uses them.

nobody said no one uses them.

firmware passwords are generally used for corporate systems with
specific security policies. it's *extremely* rare that it's used for
personal systems.

your initial description was that someone had a macbook and forgot the
password.

you did not mention it was actually a corporate mac that was given to
her, with its security policies still in place. that's a very important
detail to leave out.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sat, 4 Dec 2021 04:18 UTC

On 2021-12-03, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 12/3/21 5:35 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>> On 03/12/2021 23:31, philo wrote:
>>> On 12/3/21 5:28 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>> On 03/12/2021 20:45, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-12-03, philo <philo@news.novabbs.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't even boot from an OSX install USB stick due to the BIOS lock.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's intentional, as it prevents the machine from being useful to
>>>>> strangers.
>>>>>
>>>>>> She actually did have the BIOS password written down but that too was
>>>>>> incorrect.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please use the correct terminology. It's called a "firmware passcode" -
>>>>> Macs do not use BIOS.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I still don't know why linking her phone to her MacBook would have
>>>>>> invalidated her p/w.i
>>>>>
>>>>> "Linking" isn't a term that is typically used, so what she actually did
>>>>> is anyone's guess.  Syncing her iPhone with her Mac wouldn't change any
>>>>> passwords. So either she's mistaken, or she's not telling you
>>>>> everything.
>>>>
>>>> Do you recall telling me that the reason I couldn't start in Safe
>>>> Boot mode was because I had set a firmware password?
>>>
>>> I have a pretty good memory but don't recall that one.
>>
>> Pssst!
>>
>> I was asking Jolly Roger!  ;-)
>
> Whew, glad my memory had not failed.

Not sure why David is butting in, as his issue has nothing to do with
yours.

> If Jolly Rodger mentioned to you "firmware password," that sort of
> negates the comment that no one uses them.

People use it. It's a built-in security feature. I set firmware
passwords on all of my Macs (along with using FileVault full disk
encryption and enabling Find My Mac), which essentially makes them
completely useless to would-be thieves, as well as preventing anyone
from accessing the data on them. Highly recommended.

--
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