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* Double click questionMajorLanGod
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 by: MajorLanGod - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 05:44 UTC

What does it mean when I double-click on a desktop icon for an application,
the hourglass temorarily appears, but the application does not load? A
second double-click and it loads just fine?

Windows 11 with all current updates.

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 by: Bill - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 06:48 UTC

On 4/29/2022 1:44 AM, MajorLanGod wrote:
> What does it mean when I double-click on a desktop icon for an application,
> the hourglass temorarily appears, but the application does not load? A
> second double-click and it loads just fine?
>
> Windows 11 with all current updates.

It could mean it hasn't yet found the right app corresponding to your
file. I have experienced that. Otherwise I would consider it a bug! :)
Does it happen will all desktop icons or just one?

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 by: Fokke Nauta - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 09:09 UTC

On 29/04/2022 08:48, Bill wrote:
> On 4/29/2022 1:44 AM, MajorLanGod wrote:
>> What does it mean when I double-click on a desktop icon for an
>> application,
>> the hourglass temorarily appears, but the application does not load? A
>> second double-click and it loads just fine?
>>
>> Windows 11 with all current updates.
>
> It could mean it hasn't yet found the right app corresponding to your
> file. I have experienced that.  Otherwise I would consider it a bug!  :)
> Does it happen will all desktop icons or just one?

I experience the same thing with just one application. All others work
fine. Don't know what's wrong.
W10 x64 Pro.

Fokke

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 by: Paul - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 04:27 UTC

On 4/29/2022 1:44 AM, MajorLanGod wrote:
> What does it mean when I double-click on a desktop icon for an application,
> the hourglass temorarily appears, but the application does not load? A
> second double-click and it loads just fine?
>
> Windows 11 with all current updates.
>

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/procmon

You would need to log activity during both double-clicks, allowing
sufficient time for the system to "settle down" between double-clicks,
to figure this out.

win32 or metro.app shortcut ?
windows defender scans .exe, .dll, .htm, .js
metro.app certificate or signing checks
win32 signing checks (if signed)

I'm sure there's a long list of possibilities.
And unless you have a thorough knowledge of the loader sequence,
it's probably pointless to try to paint a flow chart for it.

No, it's not related to object-oriented binding (.txt opens Notepad)
because we are double=-clicking Notepad.exe directly or fairly directly,
and object analysis isn't involved until File:Open once inside the
application. When Notepad is started manually, Notepad has
no clue what we plan to do with it. If we double-click "some.txt",
that's a different chain of events.

Paul

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 by: VanguardLH - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 16:40 UTC

MajorLanGod wrote:

> What does it mean when I double-click on a desktop icon for an application,
> the hourglass temorarily appears, but the application does not load? A
> second double-click and it loads just fine?
>
> Windows 11 with all current updates.

My guess is the app crashed on the 1st attempt, and worked on the 2nd
attempt. Have you looked in Event Viewer? If you have no interest in
what happened before, clear the app log, load the app, have it fail, and
check Event Viewer to see if an event got recorded for that app.

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 by: NY - Mon, 2 May 2022 20:56 UTC

"Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 4/29/2022 1:44 AM, MajorLanGod wrote:
>> What does it mean when I double-click on a desktop icon for an
>> application,
>> the hourglass temorarily appears, but the application does not load? A
>> second double-click and it loads just fine?
>>
>> Windows 11 with all current updates.
>>
>
> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/procmon

On Windows 7 (I know this is a Windows 10 group!) I have found that some x64
apps take a very long time to display the initial window (before loading any
data file or web page), with an hourglass cursor until the window appears.

The time for the same app seems to increase, the longer the PC has been
running: after rebooting the app loads very quickly, but if the PC has been
running for many days (being put to sleep overnight) the app takes a lot
longer.

iTunes and MuseScore (midi-reader/player) are good examples of this.

x86 apps (ie 32-bit rather than 64-bit) do not have this wide variety of
loading time.

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 by: Paul - Mon, 2 May 2022 22:10 UTC

On 5/2/2022 4:56 PM, NY wrote:
> "Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote in message news:t4idr6$7j0$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> On 4/29/2022 1:44 AM, MajorLanGod wrote:
>>> What does it mean when I double-click on a desktop icon for an application,
>>> the hourglass temorarily appears, but the application does not load? A
>>> second double-click and it loads just fine?
>>>
>>> Windows 11 with all current updates.
>>>
>>
>> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/procmon
>
> On Windows 7 (I know this is a Windows 10 group!) I have found that some x64 apps take a very long time to display the initial window (before loading any data file or web page), with an hourglass cursor until the window appears.
>
> The time for the same app seems to increase, the longer the PC has been running: after rebooting the app loads very quickly, but if the PC has been running for many days (being put to sleep overnight) the app takes a lot longer.
>
> iTunes and MuseScore (midi-reader/player) are good examples of this.
>
> x86 apps (ie 32-bit rather than 64-bit) do not have this wide variety of loading time.

There's a fix for this. But you won't like it, particularly.

What I've noticed, is that even after a fresh reboot, there
is something funky going on with memory or perhaps memory
fragmentation.

The testlimit program, can request memory (malloc) and
if the request exceeds free memory, the OS will attempt
to ask other applications to "free up memory!". The
process of doing this, asking programs to free up memory,
is the launch of new programs, speeds up. If testlimit
has waited for five seconds, press control-c to kill it
in the Command Prompt window. Then, try again. It
might take two or three runs, so get what you want from it.

testlimit64.exe -d 1 -c 8500

The number on the end, is my guess at how much memory
is free, on the Win7 machine. The number should not be
too much larger than the available memory, as you don't
want to "kill" something else running on the machine,
you only want the other apps to "return unused memory".
It's a subtle "squeezing of lemons, to make lemonade".

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/testlimit

Now, with a Command Prompt open

cd /d C:\users\username\Downloads

testlimit64.exe -d 1 -c 8500 # use 8500MB of memory, allocated 1MB at a time
# salt to taste. 64 bit version can use all ram.

Press control-c to exit... # Testlimit64 releases all the memory it grabbed.

I hope I got the syntax right this time.

Paul

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