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https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-280x.c2398
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-nano.c2735

Both the same process size.
Second one double pretty much everything. Yet way less power consumption? How is this possible?

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 by: Paul - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 23:31 UTC

On 4/19/2022 4:59 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-280x.c2398
> https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-nano.c2735
>
> Both the same process size.
> Second one double pretty much everything.
> Yet way less power consumption?
> How is this possible?

TSMC has more than one 28nm process.

https://www.techinsights.com/blog/review-tsmc-28-nm-process-technology

HP HPM HPL LP
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TechInsight is the company that used to dip chips in
acid, remove the outer layers, and use an electron microscope
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for patent enforcement cases in court ("you stole my
ring oscillator!").

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On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 00:31:38 +0100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On 4/19/2022 4:59 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-280x.c2398
>> https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-r9-nano.c2735
>>
>> Both the same process size.
>> Second one double pretty much everything.
>> Yet way less power consumption?
>> How is this possible?
>
> TSMC has more than one 28nm process.
>
> https://www.techinsights.com/blog/review-tsmc-28-nm-process-technology
>
> HP HPM HPL LP
> 0.85 0.9 1.0 1.05V

A summary would be nice :-)

> TechInsight is the company that used to dip chips in
> acid, remove the outer layers, and use an electron microscope
> on what is inside. They would sometimes provide tech data
> for patent enforcement cases in court ("you stole my
> ring oscillator!").

Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.

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"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.

Is that your rationale for pirating software?

--
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On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 00:42:53 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.
>
> Is that your rationale for pirating software?

No, two other reasons:

1) I don't give a shit.
2) If I couldn't pirate it and couldn't afford it then I wouldn't buy it anyway, so I'm not costing them anything.

Stop being a fucking goody two shoes and get with the rest of the world! Do you know how many million people use piratebay? Do you know how many people used my illegal FTP server for films which weren't even out yet at my work's expense? Fuck off.

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On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 00:42:53 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.
>
> Is that your rationale for pirating software?

Aren't you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out? Goose gander something or other....

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"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>>> Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.
>>
>> Is that your rationale for pirating software?
>
>Aren't you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out? Goose gander something or other....

I'm the guy who took the harsh punishment, for casually copying (which
is distinct from warez) Windows XP, like a man, 20 years ago and
counting. You're the guy who's still making excuses for his
cheapskate selfishness.

--
Joel Crump

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On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:01:53 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.
>>>
>>> Is that your rationale for pirating software?
>>
>> Aren't you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out? Goose gander something or other....
>
> I'm the guy who took the harsh punishment, for casually copying (which
> is distinct from warez) Windows XP, like a man, 20 years ago and
> counting. You're the guy who's still making excuses for his
> cheapskate selfishness.

As I thought, you broke your own rule, so you have no right to tell me I'm wrong.

"Casually copying" is your way of saying "warez". You did the same as me, so shut the fuck up.

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On 2022-04-19 5:04 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:01:53 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Capitalist bastards.  Inventions should be for the good of mankind.
>>>>
>>>> Is that your rationale for pirating software?
>>>
>>> Aren't you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out?
>>> Goose gander something or other....
>>
>> I'm the guy who took the harsh punishment, for casually copying (which
>> is distinct from warez) Windows XP, like a man, 20 years ago and
>> counting.  You're the guy who's still making excuses for his
>> cheapskate selfishness.
>
> As I thought, you broke your own rule, so you have no right to tell me
> I'm wrong.
>
> "Casually copying" is your way of saying "warez".  You did the same as
> me, so shut the fuck up.

hi

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"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>>>>> Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.
>>>>
>>>> Is that your rationale for pirating software?
>>>
>>> Aren't you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out? Goose gander something or other....
>>
>> I'm the guy who took the harsh punishment, for casually copying (which
>> is distinct from warez) Windows XP, like a man, 20 years ago and
>> counting. You're the guy who's still making excuses for his
>> cheapskate selfishness.
>
>As I thought, you broke your own rule, so you have no right to tell me I'm wrong.
>
>"Casually copying" is your way of saying "warez". You did the same as me, so shut the fuck up.

Wrong. My mom bought a retail copy of the WinXP upgrade, and we
installed it on two computers *very briefly*, because of the problems
we encountered. I ended up buying *another* copy. When did you
correct your error for using *actual* warez, by paying for a license?
Answer: not to date, and given your callous attitude, probably never.

--
Joel Crump

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On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:15:14 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that your rationale for pirating software?
>>>>
>>>> Aren't you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out? Goose gander something or other....
>>>
>>> I'm the guy who took the harsh punishment, for casually copying (which
>>> is distinct from warez) Windows XP, like a man, 20 years ago and
>>> counting. You're the guy who's still making excuses for his
>>> cheapskate selfishness.
>>
>> As I thought, you broke your own rule, so you have no right to tell me I'm wrong.
>>
>> "Casually copying" is your way of saying "warez". You did the same as me, so shut the fuck up.
>
> Wrong. My mom

Mum. Mom sounds like a 6 year old. How do you pronounce "mother"?

> bought a retail copy of the WinXP upgrade, and we
> installed it on two computers *very briefly*,

You broke the rules. You are a pirate, welcome to the club.

"I only went over the speed limit briefly" is no excuse. Moron.

> because of the problems
> we encountered. I ended up buying *another* copy. When did you
> correct your error for using *actual* warez, by paying for a license?
> Answer: not to date, and given your callous attitude, probably never.

Why should I? I save thousands. I scoff at your stupidity paying for what you don't have to. I enjoy the extra cash not wasted on software. You are paying for my software. You lose. Thanks for making my life more fun.

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On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:07:35 +0100, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2022-04-19 5:04 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:01:53 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that your rationale for pirating software?
>>>>
>>>> Aren't you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out?
>>>> Goose gander something or other....
>>>
>>> I'm the guy who took the harsh punishment, for casually copying (which
>>> is distinct from warez) Windows XP, like a man, 20 years ago and
>>> counting. You're the guy who's still making excuses for his
>>> cheapskate selfishness.
>>
>> As I thought, you broke your own rule, so you have no right to tell me
>> I'm wrong.
>>
>> "Casually copying" is your way of saying "warez". You did the same as
>> me, so shut the fuck up.
>
> hi

Are you chatting me up again?

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"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is that your rationale for pirating software?
>>>>>
>>>>> Aren't you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out? Goose gander something or other....
>>>>
>>>> I'm the guy who took the harsh punishment, for casually copying (which
>>>> is distinct from warez) Windows XP, like a man, 20 years ago and
>>>> counting. You're the guy who's still making excuses for his
>>>> cheapskate selfishness.
>>>
>>> As I thought, you broke your own rule, so you have no right to tell me I'm wrong.
>>>
>>> "Casually copying" is your way of saying "warez". You did the same as me, so shut the fuck up.
>>
>> Wrong. My mom
>
>Mum. Mom sounds like a 6 year old. How do you pronounce "mother"?

You're in the UK, I'm not. I'm aware you say "mum", there. I'm not
there.

>> bought a retail copy of the WinXP upgrade, and we
>> installed it on two computers *very briefly*,
>
>You broke the rules. You are a pirate, welcome to the club.

I had never had a problem doing that when we bought the Win98 upgrade.
They got more aggressive about it when XP came out. I learned from
that, like a mature person, even though what they did to my mom's
laptop was fucked up. And I did end up buying another copy. You,
however, are shameless about your piracy.

>"I only went over the speed limit briefly" is no excuse. Moron.

We aren't talking about speeding. No one thinks that a driver is
going to flawlessly follow every minute detail of traffic law. It
wouldn't even be possible to.

>> because of the problems
>> we encountered. I ended up buying *another* copy. When did you
>> correct your error for using *actual* warez, by paying for a license?
>> Answer: not to date, and given your callous attitude, probably never.
>
>Why should I? I save thousands. I scoff at your stupidity paying for what you don't have to. I enjoy the extra cash not wasted on software. You are paying for my software. You lose. Thanks for making my life more fun.

And there it is. You are shameless.

--
Joel Crump

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On 2022-04-19 5:30 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:07:35 +0100, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-04-19 5:04 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:01:53 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Capitalist bastards.  Inventions should be for the good of mankind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is that your rationale for pirating software?
>>>>>
>>>>> Aren't you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out?
>>>>> Goose gander something or other....
>>>>
>>>> I'm the guy who took the harsh punishment, for casually copying (which
>>>> is distinct from warez) Windows XP, like a man, 20 years ago and
>>>> counting.  You're the guy who's still making excuses for his
>>>> cheapskate selfishness.
>>>
>>> As I thought, you broke your own rule, so you have no right to tell me
>>> I'm wrong.
>>>
>>> "Casually copying" is your way of saying "warez".  You did the same as
>>> me, so shut the fuck up.
>>
>> hi
>
> Are you chatting me up again?

you remind me of the deb downstairs in the window

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> Why should I? I save thousands. I scoff at your stupidity paying for
> what you don't have to. I enjoy the extra cash not wasted on software.

No you don't. You said yourself you wouldn't pay for it even if you
couldn't pirate it.

So you're saving nothing.

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 12:50 UTC

On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 02:34:30 +0100, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2022-04-19 5:30 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:07:35 +0100, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-04-19 5:04 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:01:53 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is that your rationale for pirating software?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aren't you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out?
>>>>>> Goose gander something or other....
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm the guy who took the harsh punishment, for casually copying (which
>>>>> is distinct from warez) Windows XP, like a man, 20 years ago and
>>>>> counting. You're the guy who's still making excuses for his
>>>>> cheapskate selfishness.
>>>>
>>>> As I thought, you broke your own rule, so you have no right to tell me
>>>> I'm wrong.
>>>>
>>>> "Casually copying" is your way of saying "warez". You did the same as
>>>> me, so shut the fuck up.
>>>
>>> hi
>>
>> Are you chatting me up again?
>
> you remind me of the deb downstairs in the window

What's a deb?

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 20:15 UTC

On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:47:34 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> Capitalist bastards. Inventions should be for the good of mankind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is that your rationale for pirating software?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aren't you the guy who pirated windows until he got caught out? Goose gander something or other....
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm the guy who took the harsh punishment, for casually copying (which
>>>>> is distinct from warez) Windows XP, like a man, 20 years ago and
>>>>> counting. You're the guy who's still making excuses for his
>>>>> cheapskate selfishness.
>>>>
>>>> As I thought, you broke your own rule, so you have no right to tell me I'm wrong.
>>>>
>>>> "Casually copying" is your way of saying "warez". You did the same as me, so shut the fuck up.
>>>
>>> Wrong. My mom
>>
>> Mum. Mom sounds like a 6 year old. How do you pronounce "mother"?
>
> You're in the UK, I'm not. I'm aware you say "mum", there. I'm not
> there.

Again, how do you pronounce "mother"?

>>> bought a retail copy of the WinXP upgrade, and we
>>> installed it on two computers *very briefly*,
>>
>> You broke the rules. You are a pirate, welcome to the club.
>
> I had never had a problem doing that when we bought the Win98 upgrade.
> They got more aggressive about it when XP came out. I learned from
> that, like a mature person, even though what they did to my mom's
> laptop was fucked up. And I did end up buying another copy. You,
> however, are shameless about your piracy.

You stopped pirating not because you thought it was wrong, but because you got caught, that's pathetic.

>> "I only went over the speed limit briefly" is no excuse. Moron.
>
> We aren't talking about speeding. No one thinks that a driver is
> going to flawlessly follow every minute detail of traffic law. It
> wouldn't even be possible to.

Speeding could kill (no I don't believe that but a lot do), pirating windows could not.

>>> because of the problems
>>> we encountered. I ended up buying *another* copy. When did you
>>> correct your error for using *actual* warez, by paying for a license?
>>> Answer: not to date, and given your callous attitude, probably never.
>>
>> Why should I? I save thousands. I scoff at your stupidity paying for what you don't have to. I enjoy the extra cash not wasted on software. You are paying for my software. You lose. Thanks for making my life more fun.
>
> And there it is. You are shameless.

Your point being?

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"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>>>>> "Casually copying" is your way of saying "warez". You did the same as me, so shut the fuck up.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong. My mom
>>>
>>> Mum. Mom sounds like a 6 year old. How do you pronounce "mother"?
>>
>> You're in the UK, I'm not. I'm aware you say "mum", there. I'm not
>> there.
>
>Again, how do you pronounce "mother"?

That means nothing. I'm not in the same country, there are
differences in the way people typically speak.

>>>> bought a retail copy of the WinXP upgrade, and we
>>>> installed it on two computers *very briefly*,
>>>
>>> You broke the rules. You are a pirate, welcome to the club.
>>
>> I had never had a problem doing that when we bought the Win98 upgrade.
>> They got more aggressive about it when XP came out. I learned from
>> that, like a mature person, even though what they did to my mom's
>> laptop was fucked up. And I did end up buying another copy. You,
>> however, are shameless about your piracy.
>
>You stopped pirating not because you thought it was wrong, but because you got caught, that's pathetic.

That is not entirely true, actually. Once I realized that Microsoft
was going to enforce the one device rule, I accepted that, and
continued using their product, buying another copy, because I learned
from it. When did you ever buy your copy?

>>> "I only went over the speed limit briefly" is no excuse. Moron.
>>
>> We aren't talking about speeding. No one thinks that a driver is
>> going to flawlessly follow every minute detail of traffic law. It
>> wouldn't even be possible to.
>
>Speeding could kill (no I don't believe that but a lot do), pirating windows could not.

You could kill someone below the speed limit, too, it's called not
being reckless and losing control of the car. That's where the most
accident deaths come from, is when people drive like a complete idiot
and the car doesn't keep up with their shitty operating.

>>>> because of the problems
>>>> we encountered. I ended up buying *another* copy. When did you
>>>> correct your error for using *actual* warez, by paying for a license?
>>>> Answer: not to date, and given your callous attitude, probably never.
>>>
>>> Why should I? I save thousands. I scoff at your stupidity paying for what you don't have to. I enjoy the extra cash not wasted on software. You are paying for my software. You lose. Thanks for making my life more fun.
>>
>> And there it is. You are shameless.
>
>Your point being?

My point is that you seem to think it's like a game. You think that
Microsoft is this corporate entity to be taken advantage of, because
you're the little guy, but in reality, if no one paid for software,
you'd be stuck with only free software. You're trying to have it both
ways.

--
Joel Crump

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On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 13:39:24 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> "Casually copying" is your way of saying "warez". You did the same as me, so shut the fuck up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong. My mom
>>>>
>>>> Mum. Mom sounds like a 6 year old. How do you pronounce "mother"?
>>>
>>> You're in the UK, I'm not. I'm aware you say "mum", there. I'm not
>>> there.
>>
>> Again, how do you pronounce "mother"?
>
>
> That means nothing. I'm not in the same country, there are
> differences in the way people typically speak.

I assume you say mutha. So shortening that to mom is daft. Why change the vowel?

It would be as stupid as shortening mathematics to math.

>>>>> bought a retail copy of the WinXP upgrade, and we
>>>>> installed it on two computers *very briefly*,
>>>>
>>>> You broke the rules. You are a pirate, welcome to the club.
>>>
>>> I had never had a problem doing that when we bought the Win98 upgrade.
>>> They got more aggressive about it when XP came out. I learned from
>>> that, like a mature person, even though what they did to my mom's
>>> laptop was fucked up. And I did end up buying another copy. You,
>>> however, are shameless about your piracy.
>>
>> You stopped pirating not because you thought it was wrong, but because you got caught, that's pathetic.
>
> That is not entirely true, actually. Once I realized that Microsoft
> was going to enforce the one device rule, I accepted that, and
> continued using their product, buying another copy, because I learned
> from it.

So just as I said. Oh dear, MS can catch me out, I'll be a good boy and pay up. so nothing to do with morals then.

> When did you ever buy your copy?

I didn't. I have never ever paid for Windows.

>>>> "I only went over the speed limit briefly" is no excuse. Moron.
>>>
>>> We aren't talking about speeding. No one thinks that a driver is
>>> going to flawlessly follow every minute detail of traffic law. It
>>> wouldn't even be possible to.
>>
>> Speeding could kill (no I don't believe that but a lot do), pirating windows could not.
>
> You could kill someone below the speed limit, too, it's called not
> being reckless and losing control of the car. That's where the most
> accident deaths come from, is when people drive like a complete idiot
> and the car doesn't keep up with their shitty operating.

Agreed. But the law is stupid, it just goes by speed. Even though UK government stats show only 4% of crashes involving death or severe injuries were caused by speed.

Perhaps when you speed you pay more attention?

Are these illegal?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i402aqgctfsndp2/Scatter%20scooters%21.mp4?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wtexv2dhgb00nn/Fast%20bumps.mp4?dl=0
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/uonb2oiv107sm5s/Bicycle.mp4?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x01423s99pbqqyl/Scatter.mp4?dl=0

>>>>> because of the problems
>>>>> we encountered. I ended up buying *another* copy. When did you
>>>>> correct your error for using *actual* warez, by paying for a license?
>>>>> Answer: not to date, and given your callous attitude, probably never.
>>>>
>>>> Why should I? I save thousands. I scoff at your stupidity paying for what you don't have to. I enjoy the extra cash not wasted on software. You are paying for my software. You lose. Thanks for making my life more fun.
>>>
>>> And there it is. You are shameless.
>>
>> Your point being?
>
> My point is that you seem to think it's like a game. You think that
> Microsoft is this corporate entity to be taken advantage of, because
> you're the little guy, but in reality, if no one paid for software,
> you'd be stuck with only free software. You're trying to have it both
> ways.

No, I know there are morons like you that will pay for me.

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On 30/04/2022 09:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>
> No, I know there are morons like you that will pay for me.

You should apologise to Joel

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On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 10:01:34 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 30/04/2022 09:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>
>> No, I know there are morons like you that will pay for me.
>
> You should apologise to Joel

I will not. I get free stuff from him.

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"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> "Casually copying" is your way of saying "warez". You did the same as me, so shut the fuck up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong. My mom
>>>>>> bought a retail copy of the WinXP upgrade, and we
>>>>>> installed it on two computers *very briefly*,
>>>>>
>>>>> You broke the rules. You are a pirate, welcome to the club.
>>>>
>>>> I had never had a problem doing that when we bought the Win98 upgrade.
>>>> They got more aggressive about it when XP came out. I learned from
>>>> that, like a mature person, even though what they did to my mom's
>>>> laptop was fucked up. And I did end up buying another copy. You,
>>>> however, are shameless about your piracy.
>>>
>>> You stopped pirating not because you thought it was wrong, but because you got caught, that's pathetic.
>>
>> That is not entirely true, actually. Once I realized that Microsoft
>> was going to enforce the one device rule, I accepted that, and
>> continued using their product, buying another copy, because I learned
>> from it.
>
>So just as I said. Oh dear, MS can catch me out, I'll be a good boy and pay up. so nothing to do with morals then.

No, read what the hell I'm writing, I *learned from* all this. Casual
copying *isn't* the same thing as not buying it at all, but even so, I
learned not to continue doing it. I bought another copy. It's not
hard to understand this.

>> When did you ever buy your copy?
>
>I didn't. I have never ever paid for Windows.

So how is that anything but shameless theft? I did wrongly believe I
could install one legal copy on two computers, but I learned better.
But you never paid for any copy.

>>>>>> because of the problems
>>>>>> we encountered. I ended up buying *another* copy. When did you
>>>>>> correct your error for using *actual* warez, by paying for a license?
>>>>>> Answer: not to date, and given your callous attitude, probably never.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why should I? I save thousands. I scoff at your stupidity paying for what you don't have to. I enjoy the extra cash not wasted on software. You are paying for my software. You lose. Thanks for making my life more fun.
>>>>
>>>> And there it is. You are shameless.
>>>
>>> Your point being?
>>
>> My point is that you seem to think it's like a game. You think that
>> Microsoft is this corporate entity to be taken advantage of, because
>> you're the little guy, but in reality, if no one paid for software,
>> you'd be stuck with only free software. You're trying to have it both
>> ways.
>
>No, I know there are morons like you that will pay for me.

But that's the thing, I *didn't* pay for you, I paid for my copy. It's
a delusion to think Microsoft is somehow getting anything for your
copy. The $200 I paid for Windows Pro really is the value of one
copy, they are taking a loss when people pirate it. You may not care,
but it's tantamount to theft. It's not possible to support commercial
software without money. They have to develop updates and new
versions. If no one bought Windows, you'd be stuck with Linux.

--
Joel Crump

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David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>On 30/04/2022 09:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>
>> No, I know there are morons like you that will pay for me.
>
>You should apologise to Joel

I don't want an apology, really - what I want is for the Commander to
acknowledge that there is something wrong with what he's doing. I've
been hearing the same BS from warezers for decades, and it always
seemed ridiculous to me, frankly. I don't understand how someone
could think pirating an *operating system* is sensible. The OS has
*complete* control of the machine. It's playing with fire.

--
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On 4/30/2022 6:22 AM, Joel wrote:
If no one bought Windows, you'd be stuck with Linux.
>

Or just the last version of Windows. Win-10 suits me fine.

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On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:25:39 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> On 30/04/2022 09:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>
>>> No, I know there are morons like you that will pay for me.
>>
>> You should apologise to Joel
>
> I don't want an apology, really - what I want is for the Commander to
> acknowledge that there is something wrong with what he's doing.

Only if you acknowledge that you deliberately broke the law and only stopped because you realised MS could catch you out.

And also admit that you're rubbish at piracy because you didn't get away with it and I did.

> I've been hearing the same BS from warezers for decades, and it always
> seemed ridiculous to me, frankly. I don't understand how someone
> could think pirating an *operating system* is sensible. The OS has
> *complete* control of the machine. It's playing with fire.

Only if you don't know what you're doing.

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