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On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:22:31 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> "Casually copying" is your way of saying "warez". You did the same as me, so shut the fuck up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wrong. My mom
>>>>>>> bought a retail copy of the WinXP upgrade, and we
>>>>>>> installed it on two computers *very briefly*,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You broke the rules. You are a pirate, welcome to the club.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had never had a problem doing that when we bought the Win98 upgrade.
>>>>> They got more aggressive about it when XP came out. I learned from
>>>>> that, like a mature person, even though what they did to my mom's
>>>>> laptop was fucked up. And I did end up buying another copy. You,
>>>>> however, are shameless about your piracy.
>>>>
>>>> You stopped pirating not because you thought it was wrong, but because you got caught, that's pathetic.
>>>
>>> That is not entirely true, actually. Once I realized that Microsoft
>>> was going to enforce the one device rule, I accepted that, and
>>> continued using their product, buying another copy, because I learned
>>> from it.
>>
>> So just as I said. Oh dear, MS can catch me out, I'll be a good boy and pay up. so nothing to do with morals then.
>
> No, read what the hell I'm writing, I *learned from* all this. Casual
> copying *isn't* the same thing as not buying it at all, but even so, I
> learned not to continue doing it. I bought another copy. It's not
> hard to understand this.

So you only stole one and not two. Big deal.

>>> When did you ever buy your copy?
>>
>> I didn't. I have never ever paid for Windows.
>
> So how is that anything but shameless theft? I did wrongly believe I
> could install one legal copy on two computers, but I learned better.
> But you never paid for any copy.

Theft deprives somebody of something. If I couldn't pirate Windows, I'd use Linux.

>>>>>>> because of the problems
>>>>>>> we encountered. I ended up buying *another* copy. When did you
>>>>>>> correct your error for using *actual* warez, by paying for a license?
>>>>>>> Answer: not to date, and given your callous attitude, probably never.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why should I? I save thousands. I scoff at your stupidity paying for what you don't have to. I enjoy the extra cash not wasted on software. You are paying for my software. You lose. Thanks for making my life more fun.
>>>>>
>>>>> And there it is. You are shameless.
>>>>
>>>> Your point being?
>>>
>>> My point is that you seem to think it's like a game. You think that
>>> Microsoft is this corporate entity to be taken advantage of, because
>>> you're the little guy, but in reality, if no one paid for software,
>>> you'd be stuck with only free software. You're trying to have it both
>>> ways.
>>
>> No, I know there are morons like you that will pay for me.
>
> But that's the thing, I *didn't* pay for you, I paid for my copy. It's
> a delusion to think Microsoft is somehow getting anything for your
> copy. The $200 I paid for Windows Pro really is the value of one
> copy, they are taking a loss when people pirate it. You may not care,
> but it's tantamount to theft. It's not possible to support commercial
> software without money. They have to develop updates and new
> versions. If no one bought Windows, you'd be stuck with Linux.

If I didn't copy it, your price would have been lower, ha!

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On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:26:57 +0100, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

> On 4/30/2022 6:22 AM, Joel wrote:
> If no one bought Windows, you'd be stuck with Linux.
>
> Or just the last version of Windows. Win-10 suits me fine.

The upgrade to 11 is free you idiot.

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"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:25:39 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>> On 30/04/2022 09:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, I know there are morons like you that will pay for me.
>>>
>>> You should apologise to Joel
>>
>> I don't want an apology, really - what I want is for the Commander to
>> acknowledge that there is something wrong with what he's doing.
>
>Only if you acknowledge that you deliberately broke the law and only stopped because you realised MS could catch you out.

I was wrong in thinking it would be OK to install one copy on two
computers. I have not been unclear about that. I learned from it.

>And also admit that you're rubbish at piracy because you didn't get away with it and I did.

Oh, yes, I definitely admit being bad at piracy, because I don't trust
warez. Casual copying isn't quite the same thing, but I also haven't
done that in a long time. But as far as thinking that using warez is
somehow clever, I don't, I think it's risky at best.

>> I've been hearing the same BS from warezers for decades, and it always
>> seemed ridiculous to me, frankly. I don't understand how someone
>> could think pirating an *operating system* is sensible. The OS has
>> *complete* control of the machine. It's playing with fire.
>
>Only if you don't know what you're doing.

But this is the point: Microsoft *does* know you pirated it. They're
tolerating it, but you can't claim to have somehow fooled them.

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"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>>>> When did you ever buy your copy?
>>>
>>> I didn't. I have never ever paid for Windows.
>>
>> So how is that anything but shameless theft? I did wrongly believe I
>> could install one legal copy on two computers, but I learned better.
>> But you never paid for any copy.
>
>Theft deprives somebody of something. If I couldn't pirate Windows, I'd use Linux.

You *are* depriving Microsoft of the cost of supporting your pirated
copy of their OS. It costs money to update it.

>>>> My point is that you seem to think it's like a game. You think that
>>>> Microsoft is this corporate entity to be taken advantage of, because
>>>> you're the little guy, but in reality, if no one paid for software,
>>>> you'd be stuck with only free software. You're trying to have it both
>>>> ways.
>>>
>>> No, I know there are morons like you that will pay for me.
>>
>> But that's the thing, I *didn't* pay for you, I paid for my copy. It's
>> a delusion to think Microsoft is somehow getting anything for your
>> copy. The $200 I paid for Windows Pro really is the value of one
>> copy, they are taking a loss when people pirate it. You may not care,
>> but it's tantamount to theft. It's not possible to support commercial
>> software without money. They have to develop updates and new
>> versions. If no one bought Windows, you'd be stuck with Linux.
>
>If I didn't copy it, your price would have been lower, ha!

Nope. $200 is the true retail value of Windows Pro. It is absolutely
a good deal, for what one gets, I could've saved about $50 by getting
the OEM version, but it was simpler to just buy the retail product key
online, and make my own media to install from.

--
Joel Crump

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 by: rabidR04CH - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:45 UTC

On 2022-04-30 6:33 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:26:57 +0100, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>
>> On 4/30/2022 6:22 AM, Joel wrote:
>> If no one bought Windows, you'd be stuck with Linux.
>>
>> Or just the last version of Windows.  Win-10 suits me fine.
>
> The upgrade to 11 is free you idiot.

LOL. Indeed it is. The only ones who pay for either Windows 10 or 11 are
builders. Otherwise, the operating system just comes with your machine
the way it does on a Mac. The days of having to buy the OS and then buy
the upgrade are long gone.

--
rabidR04CH
Encrypt. Avoid social media. Stay sane.
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Windows 11
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rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>On 2022-04-30 6:33 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:26:57 +0100, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>> On 4/30/2022 6:22 AM, Joel wrote:
>>>
>>>> If no one bought Windows, you'd be stuck with Linux.
>>>
>>> Or just the last version of Windows.  Win-10 suits me fine.
>>
>> The upgrade to 11 is free you idiot.
>
>LOL. Indeed it is. The only ones who pay for either Windows 10 or 11 are
>builders. Otherwise, the operating system just comes with your machine
>the way it does on a Mac. The days of having to buy the OS and then buy
>the upgrade are long gone.

Right, Microsoft just wants you to pay once. It's a sensible thing.

--
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On 2022-04-30 7:59 a.m., Joel wrote:
> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>> On 2022-04-30 6:33 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:26:57 +0100, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>>> On 4/30/2022 6:22 AM, Joel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If no one bought Windows, you'd be stuck with Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Or just the last version of Windows.  Win-10 suits me fine.
>>>
>>> The upgrade to 11 is free you idiot.
>>
>> LOL. Indeed it is. The only ones who pay for either Windows 10 or 11 are
>> builders. Otherwise, the operating system just comes with your machine
>> the way it does on a Mac. The days of having to buy the OS and then buy
>> the upgrade are long gone.
>
>
> Right, Microsoft just wants you to pay once. It's a sensible thing.

That's not what Microsoft wants; it's merely what it does to counter
Apple's own decision. If they could get away with it, they'd charge for
the upgrade from 8.1 to 10, then the one to 11 and so on.

--
rabidR04CH
Encrypt. Avoid social media. Stay sane.
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Windows 11
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rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>On 2022-04-30 7:59 a.m., Joel wrote:
>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-30 6:33 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:26:57 +0100, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/30/2022 6:22 AM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If no one bought Windows, you'd be stuck with Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or just the last version of Windows.  Win-10 suits me fine.
>>>>
>>>> The upgrade to 11 is free you idiot.
>>>
>>> LOL. Indeed it is. The only ones who pay for either Windows 10 or 11 are
>>> builders. Otherwise, the operating system just comes with your machine
>>> the way it does on a Mac. The days of having to buy the OS and then buy
>>> the upgrade are long gone.
>>
>> Right, Microsoft just wants you to pay once. It's a sensible thing.
>
>That's not what Microsoft wants; it's merely what it does to counter
>Apple's own decision. If they could get away with it, they'd charge for
>the upgrade from 8.1 to 10, then the one to 11 and so on.

I actually don't think so. Even when Windows 8 was released, they had
an introductory price, to get the Pro edition upgrade, for $40, which
I did. And then, 10 was a free upgrade over 7 and 8. I think
Microsoft has recognized that new versions are just a type of update,
at the end of the day - they want people to use the most recent
version, presuming their hardware supports it.

--
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 14:41:04 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>> On 2022-04-30 7:59 a.m., Joel wrote:
>>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-04-30 6:33 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:26:57 +0100, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/30/2022 6:22 AM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If no one bought Windows, you'd be stuck with Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or just the last version of Windows. Win-10 suits me fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> The upgrade to 11 is free you idiot.
>>>>
>>>> LOL. Indeed it is. The only ones who pay for either Windows 10 or 11 are
>>>> builders. Otherwise, the operating system just comes with your machine
>>>> the way it does on a Mac. The days of having to buy the OS and then buy
>>>> the upgrade are long gone.
>>>
>>> Right, Microsoft just wants you to pay once. It's a sensible thing.
>>
>> That's not what Microsoft wants; it's merely what it does to counter
>> Apple's own decision. If they could get away with it, they'd charge for
>> the upgrade from 8.1 to 10, then the one to 11 and so on.
>
>
> I actually don't think so. Even when Windows 8 was released, they had
> an introductory price, to get the Pro edition upgrade, for $40, which
> I did. And then, 10 was a free upgrade over 7 and 8. I think
> Microsoft has recognized that new versions are just a type of update,
> at the end of the day - they want people to use the most recent
> version, presuming their hardware supports it.

This wasn't always the case.

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Sun, 1 May 2022 08:24 UTC

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:45:35 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

> On 2022-04-30 6:33 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:26:57 +0100, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/30/2022 6:22 AM, Joel wrote:
>>> If no one bought Windows, you'd be stuck with Linux.
>>>
>>> Or just the last version of Windows. Win-10 suits me fine.
>>
>> The upgrade to 11 is free you idiot.
>
> LOL. Indeed it is. The only ones who pay for either Windows 10 or 11 are
> builders. Otherwise, the operating system just comes with your machine
> the way it does on a Mac. The days of having to buy the OS and then buy
> the upgrade are long gone.

Who buys a machine in one piece?! I did once, my first computer. I ordered it with no OS. I didn't want the thing full of adware. Also it's cheaper to borrow someone else's CD. It's called recycling.

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"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 14:41:04 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-30 7:59 a.m., Joel wrote:
>>>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-04-30 6:33 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The upgrade to 11 is free you idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL. Indeed it is. The only ones who pay for either Windows 10 or 11 are
>>>>> builders. Otherwise, the operating system just comes with your machine
>>>>> the way it does on a Mac. The days of having to buy the OS and then buy
>>>>> the upgrade are long gone.
>>>>
>>>> Right, Microsoft just wants you to pay once. It's a sensible thing.
>>>
>>> That's not what Microsoft wants; it's merely what it does to counter
>>> Apple's own decision. If they could get away with it, they'd charge for
>>> the upgrade from 8.1 to 10, then the one to 11 and so on.
>>
>> I actually don't think so. Even when Windows 8 was released, they had
>> an introductory price, to get the Pro edition upgrade, for $40, which
>> I did. And then, 10 was a free upgrade over 7 and 8. I think
>> Microsoft has recognized that new versions are just a type of update,
>> at the end of the day - they want people to use the most recent
>> version, presuming their hardware supports it.
>
>This wasn't always the case.

I realize that, I suggested as much.

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On Sun, 01 May 2022 09:29:08 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 14:41:04 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-04-30 7:59 a.m., Joel wrote:
>>>>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-04-30 6:33 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The upgrade to 11 is free you idiot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL. Indeed it is. The only ones who pay for either Windows 10 or 11 are
>>>>>> builders. Otherwise, the operating system just comes with your machine
>>>>>> the way it does on a Mac. The days of having to buy the OS and then buy
>>>>>> the upgrade are long gone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right, Microsoft just wants you to pay once. It's a sensible thing.
>>>>
>>>> That's not what Microsoft wants; it's merely what it does to counter
>>>> Apple's own decision. If they could get away with it, they'd charge for
>>>> the upgrade from 8.1 to 10, then the one to 11 and so on.
>>>
>>> I actually don't think so. Even when Windows 8 was released, they had
>>> an introductory price, to get the Pro edition upgrade, for $40, which
>>> I did. And then, 10 was a free upgrade over 7 and 8. I think
>>> Microsoft has recognized that new versions are just a type of update,
>>> at the end of the day - they want people to use the most recent
>>> version, presuming their hardware supports it.
>>
>> This wasn't always the case.
>
> I realize that, I suggested as much.

I clarified your waffle, you may thank me with a beer.

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Sun, 1 May 2022 08:33 UTC

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:39:49 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> When did you ever buy your copy?
>>>>
>>>> I didn't. I have never ever paid for Windows.
>>>
>>> So how is that anything but shameless theft? I did wrongly believe I
>>> could install one legal copy on two computers, but I learned better.
>>> But you never paid for any copy.
>>
>> Theft deprives somebody of something. If I couldn't pirate Windows, I'd use Linux.
>
> You *are* depriving Microsoft of the cost of supporting your pirated
> copy of their OS. It costs money to update it.

Did you read what I wrote? If I changed to Linux, they'd still get no money form me. So what harm is it to them if I use Windows for free?

>>>>> My point is that you seem to think it's like a game. You think that
>>>>> Microsoft is this corporate entity to be taken advantage of, because
>>>>> you're the little guy, but in reality, if no one paid for software,
>>>>> you'd be stuck with only free software. You're trying to have it both
>>>>> ways.
>>>>
>>>> No, I know there are morons like you that will pay for me.
>>>
>>> But that's the thing, I *didn't* pay for you, I paid for my copy. It's
>>> a delusion to think Microsoft is somehow getting anything for your
>>> copy. The $200 I paid for Windows Pro really is the value of one
>>> copy, they are taking a loss when people pirate it. You may not care,
>>> but it's tantamount to theft. It's not possible to support commercial
>>> software without money. They have to develop updates and new
>>> versions. If no one bought Windows, you'd be stuck with Linux.
>>
>> If I didn't copy it, your price would have been lower, ha!
>
> Nope. $200 is the true retail value of Windows Pro. It is absolutely
> a good deal, for what one gets, I could've saved about $50 by getting
> the OEM version, but it was simpler to just buy the retail product key
> online, and make my own media to install from.

$200 is absurd, considering it's one of a billion copies sold. So you're saying Windows cost $200 billion to write?

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"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:45:35 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>> On 2022-04-30 6:33 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>
>>> The upgrade to 11 is free you idiot.
>>
>> LOL. Indeed it is. The only ones who pay for either Windows 10 or 11 are
>> builders. Otherwise, the operating system just comes with your machine
>> the way it does on a Mac. The days of having to buy the OS and then buy
>> the upgrade are long gone.
>
>Who buys a machine in one piece?! I did once, my first computer. I ordered it with no OS. I didn't want the thing full of adware. Also it's cheaper to borrow someone else's CD. It's called recycling.

Many people buy prefab desktop machines, or laptops, and want it to
"just work" when they turn it on the first time. This is one reason
Microsoft sells Windows Home so inexpensively on such computers, not
only does the OEM handle supporting it, but it helps sell their
product in general - less techie customers get a complete package of
hardware and software. If everyone had to install Windows themselves,
it'd put a damper on the market for it (and thus Office and other
Microsoft software, for that matter).

--
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On Sun, 01 May 2022 09:34:04 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:45:35 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-30 6:33 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The upgrade to 11 is free you idiot.
>>>
>>> LOL. Indeed it is. The only ones who pay for either Windows 10 or 11 are
>>> builders. Otherwise, the operating system just comes with your machine
>>> the way it does on a Mac. The days of having to buy the OS and then buy
>>> the upgrade are long gone.
>>
>> Who buys a machine in one piece?! I did once, my first computer. I ordered it with no OS. I didn't want the thing full of adware. Also it's cheaper to borrow someone else's CD. It's called recycling.
>
> Many people buy prefab desktop machines, or laptops, and want it to
> "just work" when they turn it on the first time. This is one reason
> Microsoft sells Windows Home so inexpensively on such computers, not
> only does the OEM handle supporting it,

And if you install it yourself Microsoft supports it? I don't think so. OEM Windows doesn't cost MS any less.

> but it helps sell their
> product in general - less techie customers get a complete package of
> hardware and software. If everyone had to install Windows themselves,
> it'd put a damper on the market for it (and thus Office and other
> Microsoft software, for that matter).

But it's cheaper to install it yourself.

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 by: Joel - Sun, 1 May 2022 09:46 UTC

"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 01 May 2022 09:29:08 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 14:41:04 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-04-30 7:59 a.m., Joel wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right, Microsoft just wants you to pay once. It's a sensible thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not what Microsoft wants; it's merely what it does to counter
>>>>> Apple's own decision. If they could get away with it, they'd charge for
>>>>> the upgrade from 8.1 to 10, then the one to 11 and so on.
>>>>
>>>> I actually don't think so. Even when Windows 8 was released, they had
>>>> an introductory price, to get the Pro edition upgrade, for $40, which
>>>> I did. And then, 10 was a free upgrade over 7 and 8. I think
>>>> Microsoft has recognized that new versions are just a type of update,
>>>> at the end of the day - they want people to use the most recent
>>>> version, presuming their hardware supports it.
>>>
>>> This wasn't always the case.
>>
>> I realize that, I suggested as much.
>
>I clarified your waffle, you may thank me with a beer.

There was nothing "clarify", dumbfuck, what I said was entirely
correct. You can stick to being an expert at using warez.

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"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 01 May 2022 09:34:04 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:45:35 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The only ones who pay for either Windows 10 or 11 are
>>>> builders. Otherwise, the operating system just comes with your machine
>>>> the way it does on a Mac. The days of having to buy the OS and then buy
>>>> the upgrade are long gone.
>>>
>>> Who buys a machine in one piece?! I did once, my first computer. I ordered it with no OS. I didn't want the thing full of adware. Also it's cheaper to borrow someone else's CD. It's called recycling.
>>
>> Many people buy prefab desktop machines, or laptops, and want it to
>> "just work" when they turn it on the first time. This is one reason
>> Microsoft sells Windows Home so inexpensively on such computers, not
>> only does the OEM handle supporting it,
>
>And if you install it yourself Microsoft supports it? I don't think so. OEM Windows doesn't cost MS any less.

Support in this context refers to tech support, not just updates. OEMs
are required to handle such tech support for their customers. If you
buy Windows as a standalone product, you either get support from
Microsoft, if it's retail (like what I bought), or you have to take
your chances without tech support, if you buy the System Builder OEM
copies. The latter option would be fine with me, I bought Windows 7
that way, but I didn't care about saving the money on it when I bought
Windows 10 last year, I wanted to get my product key instantly from
Microsoft.

>> but it helps sell their
>> product in general - less techie customers get a complete package of
>> hardware and software. If everyone had to install Windows themselves,
>> it'd put a damper on the market for it (and thus Office and other
>> Microsoft software, for that matter).
>
>But it's cheaper to install it yourself.

If you're pirating it, sure.

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"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>>> Theft deprives somebody of something. If I couldn't pirate Windows, I'd use Linux.
>>
>> You *are* depriving Microsoft of the cost of supporting your pirated
>> copy of their OS. It costs money to update it.
>
>Did you read what I wrote? If I changed to Linux, they'd still get no money form me. So what harm is it to them if I use Windows for free?

That's not the issue, the issue is that it's rationalization to think
that piracy is a victimless crime. It's their intellectual property,
they get to set the price.

>>> If I didn't copy it, your price would have been lower, ha!
>>
>> Nope. $200 is the true retail value of Windows Pro. It is absolutely
>> a good deal, for what one gets, I could've saved about $50 by getting
>> the OEM version, but it was simpler to just buy the retail product key
>> online, and make my own media to install from.
>
>$200 is absurd, considering it's one of a billion copies sold. So you're saying Windows cost $200 billion to write?

Nope, very few people, statistically speaking, do what I did. Most
people who assemble their own computers are buying resold product keys
from a third party, but I wouldn't be comfortable with that, even
though it's so cheap.

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On 5/1/2022 5:53 AM, Joel wrote:
> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Theft deprives somebody of something. If I couldn't pirate Windows, I'd use Linux.
>>>
>>> You *are* depriving Microsoft of the cost of supporting your pirated
>>> copy of their OS. It costs money to update it.
>>
>> Did you read what I wrote? If I changed to Linux, they'd still get no money form me. So what harm is it to them if I use Windows for free?
>
>
> That's not the issue, the issue is that it's rationalization to think
> that piracy is a victimless crime. It's their intellectual property,
> they get to set the price.
>
>
>>>> If I didn't copy it, your price would have been lower, ha!
>>>
>>> Nope. $200 is the true retail value of Windows Pro. It is absolutely
>>> a good deal, for what one gets, I could've saved about $50 by getting
>>> the OEM version, but it was simpler to just buy the retail product key
>>> online, and make my own media to install from.
>>
>> $200 is absurd, considering it's one of a billion copies sold. So you're saying Windows cost $200 billion to write?
>
>
> Nope, very few people, statistically speaking, do what I did. Most
> people who assemble their own computers are buying resold product keys
> from a third party, but I wouldn't be comfortable with that, even
> though it's so cheap.
>

How would you have any idea of the statistics on this? I've never
bought a "resold product key"...

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Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>On 5/1/2022 5:53 AM, Joel wrote:
>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> $200 is absurd, considering it's one of a billion copies sold. So you're saying Windows cost $200 billion to write?
>>
>> Nope, very few people, statistically speaking, do what I did. Most
>> people who assemble their own computers are buying resold product keys
>> from a third party, but I wouldn't be comfortable with that, even
>> though it's so cheap.
>
>How would you have any idea of the statistics on this? I've never
>bought a "resold product key"...

It's pretty obvious, there are a lot of product keys for Windows 10
that Microsoft sold to various businesses, and when they go unused,
people will buy them in bulk for next to nothing, and resell them for
a tidy but small profit per key. I could've gotten my key that way,
last year, but I'm not obsessed with saving money. I actually want
Microsoft to have the $200.

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On 5/1/2022 6:24 AM, Joel wrote:
> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>> On 5/1/2022 5:53 AM, Joel wrote:
>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> $200 is absurd, considering it's one of a billion copies sold. So you're saying Windows cost $200 billion to write?
>>>
>>> Nope, very few people, statistically speaking, do what I did. Most
>>> people who assemble their own computers are buying resold product keys
>>> from a third party, but I wouldn't be comfortable with that, even
>>> though it's so cheap.
>>
>> How would you have any idea of the statistics on this? I've never
>> bought a "resold product key"...
>
>
> It's pretty obvious, there are a lot of product keys for Windows 10
> that Microsoft sold to various businesses, and when they go unused,
> people will buy them in bulk for next to nothing, and resell them for
> a tidy but small profit per key. I could've gotten my key that way,
> last year, but I'm not obsessed with saving money. I actually want
> Microsoft to have the $200.
>

But what you said was "Most people who assemble their own computers are
buying resold product keys from a third party".

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 by: Joel - Sun, 1 May 2022 11:51 UTC

Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>>>> Nope, very few people, statistically speaking, do what I did. Most
>>>> people who assemble their own computers are buying resold product keys
>>>> from a third party, but I wouldn't be comfortable with that, even
>>>> though it's so cheap.
>>>
>>> How would you have any idea of the statistics on this? I've never
>>> bought a "resold product key"...
>>
>> It's pretty obvious, there are a lot of product keys for Windows 10
>> that Microsoft sold to various businesses, and when they go unused,
>> people will buy them in bulk for next to nothing, and resell them for
>> a tidy but small profit per key. I could've gotten my key that way,
>> last year, but I'm not obsessed with saving money. I actually want
>> Microsoft to have the $200.
>
>But what you said was "Most people who assemble their own computers are
>buying resold product keys from a third party".

Right, because self-assemblers are aware of the option, generally.
They're into computers enough to have heard about this. I just don't
trust that kind of deal, tough. I *know* for a *fact* that my product
key is truly only mine, because I bought it directly from Microsoft.

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 by: rabidR04CH - Sun, 1 May 2022 12:09 UTC

On 2022-05-01 4:24 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:45:35 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-04-30 6:33 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:26:57 +0100, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/30/2022 6:22 AM, Joel wrote:
>>>> If no one bought Windows, you'd be stuck with Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Or just the last version of Windows.  Win-10 suits me fine.
>>>
>>> The upgrade to 11 is free you idiot.
>>
>> LOL. Indeed it is. The only ones who pay for either Windows 10 or 11 are
>> builders. Otherwise, the operating system just comes with your machine
>> the way it does on a Mac. The days of having to buy the OS and then buy
>> the upgrade are long gone.
>
> Who buys a machine in one piece?!  I did once, my first computer.  I
> ordered it with no OS.  I didn't want the thing full of adware.  Also
> it's cheaper to borrow someone else's CD.  It's called recycling.

Nowadays, you're actually better off buying a machine pre-made since
they do actually cost less, especially since graphics chips are being
sold for exorbitant prices. Manufacturers are also a lot better than
most end-users when it comes to cable management.

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rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>On 2022-05-01 4:24 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>
>> Who buys a machine in one piece?!  I did once, my first computer.  I
>> ordered it with no OS.  I didn't want the thing full of adware.  Also
>> it's cheaper to borrow someone else's CD.  It's called recycling.
>
>Nowadays, you're actually better off buying a machine pre-made since
>they do actually cost less, especially since graphics chips are being
>sold for exorbitant prices. Manufacturers are also a lot better than
>most end-users when it comes to cable management.

I would not have gotten anywhere near as killer of a machine, for the
money, from an OEM, compared to what I built from parts.

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On 2022-05-01 8:11 a.m., Joel wrote:
> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>> On 2022-05-01 4:24 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>
>>> Who buys a machine in one piece?!  I did once, my first computer.  I
>>> ordered it with no OS.  I didn't want the thing full of adware.  Also
>>> it's cheaper to borrow someone else's CD.  It's called recycling.
>>
>> Nowadays, you're actually better off buying a machine pre-made since
>> they do actually cost less, especially since graphics chips are being
>> sold for exorbitant prices. Manufacturers are also a lot better than
>> most end-users when it comes to cable management.
>
>
> I would not have gotten anywhere near as killer of a machine, for the
> money, from an OEM, compared to what I built from parts.

You would have, it was just a matter of looking. A lot of media
companies have done the research over the years to determine whether
building it yourself is better and the result is always the same: it's
not. Besides, the OEM gives you a warranty of at least a year with the
purchase of their machine whereas you get nothing when you build it
yourself.

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