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 by: Carlos E.R. - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 12:23 UTC

On 2022-04-23 01:19, micky wrote:

....

> So I used OpenOffice, Export to PDF, and printed the pdf file with the
> same cmd line as before. And it came out beautiful. Just as it
> appeared on the screen.
>
> Then I went back and did the other thing and it came out perfect too. No
> lines running off the paper. Regular margins.
> BTW, the .prn file for this, one page, was 40 times the size of the
> pdf file!!!! 1,722,000 vs. 41,175

That's normal.

> =====================================================
>
> NET USE LPT1: \\DESKTOP-HK3M2L4\PrinterName /persistent:yes
> PRINT /D:LPT1 c:\data\text\breathing.pdf
>
> Thanks, all.

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Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 12:26 UTC

On 2022-04-23 05:03, Paul wrote:
> On 4/22/2022 7:19 PM, micky wrote:

....

>> NET USE LPT1: \\DESKTOP-HK3M2L4\PrinterName /persistent:yes
>> PRINT /D:LPT1 c:\data\text\breathing.pdf
>>
>> Thanks, all.
>>
>
> Use some tool to look at the PRN file and see what is inside it.
>
> Wordpad can be used when you have no tools at all.
>
> The printer cannot print it, without some way to detect what it is.
> This means, something in the first few lines, gives away what it is.
>
> The size tells you it has been converted into a bitmap, but a
> bitmap is useless without some amount of other detail (pagesize
> or something).

Not really, no pagesize needed. It is raw printer code. If it is the
correct printer, it will know what to do with it, without thinking
(without processing).

>
> There are some printers that claim to be able to parse a PDF
> directly, so you would feed them the 41,175 byte thing and it
> would be printed properly for you.
>
>    Paul

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Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Paul - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 12:31 UTC

On 4/23/2022 3:56 AM, micky wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 22 Apr 2022 23:03:40 -0400, Paul
> <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>> There are some printers that claim to be able to parse a PDF
>> directly, so you would feed them the 41,175 byte thing and it
>> would be printed properly for you.
>
> This is one of them!

If so, you could use LibreOffice to prepare materials,
then save to PDF, then pipe the PDF to the printer.

In such a case, the printer can only do what is instructed.
If the document you prepare is 8.5x11, the bounding box
in the PDF should indicate that, and the printer will print
on Letter paper. If the document is Tabloid (11x17), the
bounding box would be bigger, and the printer would select
from the second paper tray. You don't have a "print dialog"
when doing things manually, so the "hints" come from the
document itself.

Paul

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 12:33 UTC

On 2022-04-23 05:53, Paul wrote:
> On 4/21/2022 3:05 PM, NY wrote:
>
>> I've always wondered how Linux manages to provide free NFTS support -
>> maybe reverse-engineering without looking at the MS spec?
>
> NTFS was cleanroom reverse-engineered and is missing bits of it.
> Basic read/write should work. SIDs or compression or Reparse Points
> or journaling, might be another matter. There was no public NTFS spec
> at the time, for them to read while writing their stuff. All had
> to be discovered via testing.
>
> The only different news these days, is Paragon is giving away its
> NTFS driver to kernel.org and at least one distro has shipped with
> the version of kernel where that was included. I tested it here,
> but it did not seem to be ready for prime time (at a guess, the
> driver was working better before they fiddled with it). I think I may
> have tested the Paragon driver a while back, when it was still
> commercial.
>
> And the Linux objectives are not what some people would expect.
>
> Like most OSes, Linux has a stat() call, which returns metadata about
> a file. If a foreign filesystem comes along, when you "wire it up",
> all you're expected to do is "stuff something into the stat() call".
> This means the Windows filenum, ends up used as the Linux inode number.
> This allows a person to write some C code, not care what filesystem
> they are opening a file on, and the stat() call always has just enough
> info to make your program work. This hardly provides a mechanism so
> all the features you see in Windows, are magically reproduced in Linux.
> That is not the design intent, at all.
>
> No attempt is made to overdo it. There is no Journal broadcast, so
> a Linux Search Indexer could index your C: drive. I don't think they
> have any support for the Journal at all, except to invalidate it,
> so that Windows knows "somebody has been fooling around" and
> usage of a journal which is now out-of-sync is not advised.
> This also means, taking a dirty file system over to Linux
> for a poke, is taking chances, because Windows has not had
> time to clean up the file system, before you head over to
> Linux.
>
> You have to be aware of some of these limitations, to not be
> "pushing your luck" with the pseudo cross-platform stuff.
>
> So if you were running Windows 10, the power goes off, *don't*
> boot Linux next. Boot Windows 10 first, wait until it repairs
> the file system, then shut down. And boot into Linux. That
> reduces your risk to a tolerable level. You started with a clean
> file system while entering Linux, and if the Journal gets invalidated,
> it's not a big deal then.

Linux normally detects the situation, and refuses to mount the "disk".
Sometimes it may mount it in read only mode.

>
> Linux has NTFSFIX, which will fix MFTMIRR.
>
>    sudo ntfsfix /dev/sda1
>
> Once NTFS has been "repaired" in that way, you can attempt a second
> time to gain access. Using their file explorer thingy,
> may allow you to access the partition. Otherwise, if you don't fix the
> MFTMIRR, you will not be able to gain access.
>
> Linux cannot open C: if Windows 10 was Fast Boot or Window 10 was
> hibernated. An OS which was hibernated, has still-open files, and
> opening the file system with Linux at that time, would de-synchronize
> file system state. Again, you need to go back to Windows, and
> make sure your house is in order.
>
>    powercfg /h off
>
> After you do that as Admin, entering Linux and using NTFS may
> be a little bit easier. You will stop getting complaints about
> hibernation at least, but may still need NTFSFIX to carry on.
>
> There are more things to know, to be successful. This is just
> a taste.
>
> Summary:  Working cross-platform, is a zoo :-)
>           You can tell I enjoy the roller coaster ride,
>           when all I wanted to do was use the damn computer.
>           Things weren't nearly this bad in WinXP era.

Yeah, because most people used plain FAT :-D

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 14:34 UTC

On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 at 14:33:27, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>On 2022-04-23 05:53, Paul wrote:
[]
>>           Things weren't nearly this bad in WinXP era.
>
>Yeah, because most people used plain FAT :-D
>
For memory sticks maybe, and _some_ upgrades; _by default_ an XP system
used NTFS for the main C:, and would install itself as such (I think
even if you did an upgrade [from a FAT-based system], though I think you
could intercept that if you kept your eyes open).
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 by: Carlos E. R. - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 12:08 UTC

On 2022-04-23 16:34, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 at 14:33:27, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>> On 2022-04-23 05:53, Paul wrote:
> []
>>>            Things weren't nearly this bad in WinXP era.
>>
>> Yeah, because most people used plain FAT :-D
>>
> For memory sticks maybe, and _some_ upgrades; _by default_ an XP system
> used NTFS for the main C:, and would install itself as such (I think
> even if you did an upgrade [from a FAT-based system], though I think you
> could intercept that if you kept your eyes open).

I knew people that told the system to install in FAT instead. I just
remembered this.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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 by: Paul - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 15:49 UTC

On 4/24/2022 8:08 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2022-04-23 16:34, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 at 14:33:27, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
>> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>> On 2022-04-23 05:53, Paul wrote:
>> []
>>>>            Things weren't nearly this bad in WinXP era.
>>>
>>> Yeah, because most people used plain FAT :-D
>>>
>> For memory sticks maybe, and _some_ upgrades; _by default_ an XP system
>> used NTFS for the main C:, and would install itself as such (I think
>> even if you did an upgrade [from a FAT-based system], though I think you
>> could intercept that if you kept your eyes open).
>
> I knew people that told the system to install in FAT instead. I just
> remembered this.
>

Yes, WinXP could install in both. FAT32 or NTFS. When you used
FAT32, you lost the extra protection of NTFS file permissions.
Maybe it would have installed in ExFAT, but nobody wasted the
effort setting that up :-) That would be bar bet material.

I think if you pre-formatted the drive to FAT32, used
Custom Install, you could convince it to install in FAT32.

My first install, went like this. No CD in the drive.
Partitions have to be in a particular order (if you swap
the position of the partitions, the OS ends up on D: ).
You copied the CD file tree, to the hard drive. The floppy
is necessary, so there is enough of a pre-install environment
to be able to run a Setup.exe.

+-----+-----------------+----------------------------+ +-------+
| MBR | C: FAT32 target | D: FAT32 CD file tree copy | | MSDOS |
+-----+-----------------+----------------------------+ | Boot |
| Floppy|
+-------+

You would boot the floppy diskette, then run Setup.exe off
D: to start the install.

It doesn't really finish all that much faster. So while it
was fun to set up, it's not like the install only takes
30 seconds when you do it that way. It's still annoyingly
slow.

Paul

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 by: micky - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 01:58 UTC

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 23 Apr 2022 08:31:48 -0400, Paul
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>On 4/23/2022 3:56 AM, micky wrote:
>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 22 Apr 2022 23:03:40 -0400, Paul
>> <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> There are some printers that claim to be able to parse a PDF
>>> directly, so you would feed them the 41,175 byte thing and it
>>> would be printed properly for you.
>>
>> This is one of them!
>
>If so, you could use LibreOffice to prepare materials,
>then save to PDF, then pipe the PDF to the printer.

Sure enough!!
>
>In such a case, the printer can only do what is instructed.
>If the document you prepare is 8.5x11, the bounding box
>in the PDF should indicate that, and the printer will print
>on Letter paper. If the document is Tabloid (11x17), the
>bounding box would be bigger, and the printer would select
>from the second paper tray. You don't have a "print dialog"
>when doing things manually, so the "hints" come from the
>document itself.
>
> Paul
>

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 13:16 UTC

On 2022-04-24 17:49, Paul wrote:
> On 4/24/2022 8:08 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2022-04-23 16:34, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 at 14:33:27, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
>>> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>>> On 2022-04-23 05:53, Paul wrote:
>>> []
>>>>>             Things weren't nearly this bad in WinXP era.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, because most people used plain FAT :-D
>>>>
>>> For memory sticks maybe, and _some_ upgrades; _by default_ an XP system
>>> used NTFS for the main C:, and would install itself as such (I think
>>> even if you did an upgrade [from a FAT-based system], though I think you
>>> could intercept that if you kept your eyes open).
>>
>> I knew people that told the system to install in FAT instead. I just
>> remembered this.
>>
>
> Yes, WinXP could install in both. FAT32 or NTFS. When you used
> FAT32, you lost the extra protection of NTFS file permissions.

Yes, but these people retorted "why would /I/ want that?". It could
block them doing some things, having to ask "permission". Also,
allegedly, FAT was (is?) easier to repair.

The only real hurdle to them was not being able to write files bigger
than 4 GiB.

> Maybe it would have installed in ExFAT, but nobody wasted the
> effort setting that up :-) That would be bar bet material.

Was exFAT available back then? :-?

> I think if you pre-formatted the drive to FAT32, used
> Custom Install, you could convince it to install in FAT32.
>
> My first install, went like this. No CD in the drive.
> Partitions have to be in a particular order (if you swap
> the position of the partitions, the OS ends up on D: ).
> You copied the CD file tree, to the hard drive. The floppy
> is necessary, so there is enough of a pre-install environment
> to be able to run a Setup.exe.
>
>    +-----+-----------------+----------------------------+        +-------+
>    | MBR | C: FAT32 target | D: FAT32 CD file tree copy |        | MSDOS |
>    +-----+-----------------+----------------------------+        |  Boot |
>                                                                  | Floppy|
>                                                                  +-------+
>
> You would boot the floppy diskette, then run Setup.exe off
> D: to start the install.
>
> It doesn't really finish all that much faster. So while it
> was fun to set up, it's not like the install only takes
> 30 seconds when you do it that way. It's still annoyingly
> slow.
>
>    Paul

Heh. I don't remember many details, how they did it. But I remember a
friend that refused to install in NTFS. Then, one day his NTFS partition
(yep, at some point he used them) was beyond repair. I got it done after
purchasing some software that did repair the filesystem (after trying
testdisk and photorec from Linux). I don't remember what the problem
was, maybe could find it in email archive. "Restorer Ultimate" it was.

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 by: micky - Tue, 3 May 2022 04:58 UTC

Get this. Everything was different 11 days later. See below.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 23 Apr 2022 02:19:02 +0300, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 20 Apr 2022 20:41:07 +0100, Andy
>Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>
>>micky wrote:
>>
>>> the printer has a USB Direct port, that, if you put a flashdrive
>>> with a .prn file in it, it's supposed to print, but it didn't do a thing
>>> when I pressed the button.
>>
>>
>>Can it do the same trick with .PDF files? Would give you better formatting.
>
>Okay, the first thing I printed wasn't very important, but I think I
>have to see a doctor because though I feel fine, once I walk a block,
>I"m out of breath, for 45 seconds, and then I'm fine again, until a
>block later.
>
>So I looked at my 3 x-rays in the last 8 years and copied the text into
>one file to show the doctor, and it's important that that be legible.
>(I'll also give him the logon id for the radiology service, which shows
>the x-rays and CT themselves.)
>
>So I used OpenOffice, Export to PDF, and printed the pdf file with the
>same cmd line as before. And it came out beautiful. Just as it
>appeared on the screen.
>
>Then I went back and did the other thing and it came out perfect too. No
>lines running off the paper. Regular margins.
> BTW, the .prn file for this, one page, was 40 times the size of the
>pdf file!!!! 1,722,000 vs. 41,175
> =====================================================
>
>NET USE LPT1: \\DESKTOP-HK3M2L4\PrinterName /persistent:yes
>PRINT /D:LPT1 c:\data\text\breathing.pdf
>
>Thanks, all.

I had not restarted the computer in the last 11 days, only hibernated,
so the CMD window I had open was still open.

I used the up arrow to go back to
PRINT /D:LPT1 c:\data\text\breathing.pdf

And it nicely said
C:\data\text\breathing.pdf is currently being printed

But instead of 3 pages of text coming out, 6 and 2 partial pages of ?'s
came out, in two different fonts with occasional other characters mixed
in. My doctor's appointment is today and I had made small changes to
what I wrote, to make it more easy to read.

So I redid the first line
\Users\mmm>NET USE LPT1: \\DESKTOP-HK3M2L4\landlords-printer
/persistent:yes

And I got:
System error 85 has occurred.
The local device name is already in use.

So it seemed like the first line was still in effect. Maybe I should
disconnect it and reconnect, but I don't know how to disconnect.

So maybe the pdf file got screwed up. I found it, clicked on it, and
read it in Firefox. It looked fine.

So I tried to print it in Firefox. The printer of the guy whose room
I'm renting was in the list and it was the one showing in the window. I
clicked print, and it printed nicely. Just using firefox!!!!!

No printer software installed.

The only difference was that it printed 2-sided when using the CMD box,
but 1-sided just now (which in this case is better.)

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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Tue, 3 May 2022 10:19 UTC

On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 07:58:16, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote (my
responses usually FOLLOW):
[]
>So I redid the first line
> \Users\mmm>NET USE LPT1: \\DESKTOP-HK3M2L4\landlords-printer
> /persistent:yes
>
>And I got:
> System error 85 has occurred.
> The local device name is already in use.
>
>So it seemed like the first line was still in effect. Maybe I should
>disconnect it and reconnect, but I don't know how to disconnect.
[]
Typing
net use /?
gives me something that suggests that there's a /DELETE option. (I'm on
Windows 7, but I suspect it'll be the same. I don't think trying it -
the /? option, I mean - will do you any harm.)

(Sorry, can't help with your other questions.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Veni, Vidi, Vomit (I came, I saw, I was ill) - mik@saslimited.demon.co.uk, 1998

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 by: Paul - Wed, 4 May 2022 00:02 UTC

On 5/3/2022 6:19 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 07:58:16, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote (my
> responses usually FOLLOW):
> []
>> So I redid the first line
>> \Users\mmm>NET USE LPT1: \\DESKTOP-HK3M2L4\landlords-printer
>> /persistent:yes
>>
>> And I got:
>> System error 85 has occurred.
>> The local device name is already in use.
>>
>> So it seemed like the first line was still in effect. Maybe I should
>> disconnect it and reconnect, but I don't know how to disconnect.
> []
> Typing
> net use /?
> gives me something that suggests that there's a /DELETE option. (I'm on
> Windows 7, but I suspect it'll be the same. I don't think trying it -
> the /? option, I mean - will do you any harm.)
>
> (Sorry, can't help with your other questions.)
>

Doesn't that delete an account ?

Paul

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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Wed, 4 May 2022 00:15 UTC

On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 20:02:12, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote (my
responses usually FOLLOW):
>On 5/3/2022 6:19 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 07:58:16, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote (my
>> responses usually FOLLOW):
>> []
>>> So I redid the first line
>>> \Users\mmm>NET USE LPT1: \\DESKTOP-HK3M2L4\landlords-printer
>>> /persistent:yes
>>>
>>> And I got:
>>> System error 85 has occurred.
>>> The local device name is already in use.
>>>
>>> So it seemed like the first line was still in effect. Maybe I should
>>> disconnect it and reconnect, but I don't know how to disconnect.
>> []
>> Typing
>> net use /?
>> gives me something that suggests that there's a /DELETE option. (I'm on
>> Windows 7, but I suspect it'll be the same. I don't think trying it -
>> the /? option, I mean - will do you any harm.)
>> (Sorry, can't help with your other questions.)
>>
>
>Doesn't that delete an account ?
>
> Paul
>
Oh dear! It might. I thought it might just delete the name usage.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The early worm gets the bird.

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 by: Andy Burns - Wed, 4 May 2022 05:53 UTC

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

> Paul wrote:
>
>> J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>
>>> net use /?
>>> gives me something that suggests that there's a /DELETE option.
>>
>> Doesn't that delete an account ?
>
> Oh dear! It might.

Not without bungling the command ...

NET USE X: /delete

will just disconnect a mapped drive, it is

NET USER fred /delete

that will delete a user account.

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 by: micky - Wed, 4 May 2022 05:59 UTC

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 4 May 2022 01:15:44 +0100, "J. P.
Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 20:02:12, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote (my
>responses usually FOLLOW):
>>On 5/3/2022 6:19 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>> On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 07:58:16, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote (my
>>> responses usually FOLLOW):
>>> []
>>>> So I redid the first line
>>>> \Users\mmm>NET USE LPT1: \\DESKTOP-HK3M2L4\landlords-printer
>>>> /persistent:yes
>>>>
>>>> And I got:
>>>> System error 85 has occurred.
>>>> The local device name is already in use.
>>>>
>>>> So it seemed like the first line was still in effect. Maybe I should
>>>> disconnect it and reconnect, but I don't know how to disconnect.
>>> []
>>> Typing
>>> net use /?
>>> gives me something that suggests that there's a /DELETE option. (I'm on
>>> Windows 7, but I suspect it'll be the same. I don't think trying it -
>>> the /? option, I mean - will do you any harm.)
>>> (Sorry, can't help with your other questions.)
>>>
>>
>>Doesn't that delete an account ?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>Oh dear! It might. I thought it might just delete the name usage.

This is why one should always read to the end of the thread, or at least
a given part of the thread, before doing things that are suggested!!!!

But I only did
net use /? to see that it says what JP implied it said.

Even though I'm even happier using Firefox, to learn something, I tried
net use /delete /*

And it said
The option /* is unknown.

The syntax of this command is:
NET USE...
.....

More help is available by typing NET HELPMSG 3506.
---

So I typed
C:\Users\mmm>NET HELPMSG 3506
And got
The option *** is unknown.

So then I put back the period at the end
C:\Users\mmm>NET HELPMSG 3506.
And got
The syntax of this command is:
NET HELPMSG
message#

So then, I had misssed the second line (message#) and so I typed:
C:\Users\mmm>NET HELPMSG
And got
The syntax of this command is:
NET HELPMSG
message#

Well I don't know the message number. I had tried 3506 like it said and
it didn't work. So I give up.

But I'm just playing around and letting you guys watch. Even if I did
get addtional help, it wouldn't be enough to make me willing to run the
command, about which I'll bet the help does't explicitly say "won't
delete account". BTW, I don't even know what is meant by account, but
don't take the time to explain it to me. I'm happy with Firefox. If
Firefox seems to require it someday and so I really want to disconnect I
can restart windows.

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 by: Andy Burns - Wed, 4 May 2022 06:47 UTC

micky wrote:

> Even though I'm even happier using Firefox, to learn something, I tried
> net use /delete /*

since you don't have a drive letter mapped, just a UNC path to a printer

you can try

NET USE \\computername\printername /delete

or of you remapped an LPT device

NET USE LPT1: /delete

things like

NET USE * /delete

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 by: NY - Thu, 5 May 2022 08:57 UTC

"micky" <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote in message
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>>>> the printer has a USB Direct port, that, if you put a flashdrive
>>>> with a .prn file in it, it's supposed to print, but it didn't do a
>>>> thing
>>>> when I pressed the button.
>>>
>>>
>>>Can it do the same trick with .PDF files? Would give you better
>>>formatting.
>>
>>So I used OpenOffice, Export to PDF, and printed the pdf file with the
>>same cmd line as before. And it came out beautiful. Just as it
>>appeared on the screen.

Now I wasn't expecting that! I expected you to see gibberish because I
didn't realise that any printers could understand PDF files natively, and
needed them to be translated to the correct control codes for that printer.
I was expecting that nothing more elaborate than a plain text file would be
likely to work on all printers.

>>NET USE LPT1: \\DESKTOP-HK3M2L4\PrinterName /persistent:yes
>>PRINT /D:LPT1 c:\data\text\breathing.pdf
>>
>>Thanks, all.
>
> I had not restarted the computer in the last 11 days, only hibernated,
> so the CMD window I had open was still open.
>
> I used the up arrow to go back to
> PRINT /D:LPT1 c:\data\text\breathing.pdf
>
> And it nicely said
> C:\data\text\breathing.pdf is currently being printed
>
> But instead of 3 pages of text coming out, 6 and 2 partial pages of ?'s
> came out, in two different fonts with occasional other characters mixed
> in.

That is more like what I would expect if you copy a PDF to a printer without
formatting it in the correct driver for that printer.

> My doctor's appointment is today and I had made small changes to
> what I wrote, to make it more easy to read.
>
> So I redid the first line
> \Users\mmm>NET USE LPT1: \\DESKTOP-HK3M2L4\landlords-printer
> /persistent:yes
>
> And I got:
> System error 85 has occurred.
> The local device name is already in use.

As others have said, you should be able to remove that with

net use lpt1: /d

I wonder if the fact that you used the "PRINT" command instead of "COPY
filename LPT1" has caused DOS to latch on permanently to the LPT1 device. I
seem to remember that PRINT used to do strange things to files that were
being printed - maybe converting line-end characters (eg \n to \r\n) - so it
was not recommended for anything that contained special characters that
happened to be embedded in bitmap graphics etc. I'd stick to the nice simple
(and transparent) COPY command.

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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Thu, 5 May 2022 10:21 UTC

On Thu, 5 May 2022 at 09:57:37, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote (my
responses usually FOLLOW):
>"micky" <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote in message
>news:8tc17hpd0h1al89a62qlibhgl2f09nrrno@4ax.com...
>>>>> the printer has a USB Direct port, that, if you put a flashdrive
>>>>> with a .prn file in it, it's supposed to print, but it didn't do a
>>>>>thing
>>>>> when I pressed the button.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Can it do the same trick with .PDF files? Would give you better
>>>>formatting.
>>>
>>>So I used OpenOffice, Export to PDF, and printed the pdf file with the
>>>same cmd line as before. And it came out beautiful. Just as it
>>>appeared on the screen.
>
>Now I wasn't expecting that! I expected you to see gibberish because I
>didn't realise that any printers could understand PDF files natively,
>and needed them to be translated to the correct control codes for that

Me too, but I think earlier posts in this thread have suggested that
some printers _do_ speak PDF. (I can't help thinking there are probably
limitations - there are probably aspects that won't work, such as any
development to the PDF standard that happened after the printer had its
firmware programmed. But the standard is presumably fairly stable now.)

>printer. I was expecting that nothing more elaborate than a plain text
>file would be likely to work on all printers.
>
I wouldn't necessarily expect all modern printers to even be able to
print plain text! Especially cheaper models.
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>I'd stick to the nice simple (and transparent) COPY command.

Although the good old copy command (I'm looking under 7, but I expect
it's not changed: this has been there as long as I can remember) has the
/B switch to tell it it's a binary file and /A for an ASCII text one, so
it must default to expecting one of those - I have memories of having to
use /b for non-text.
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nothing, and I've never really understood that.
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