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 by: Commander Kinsey - Sat, 7 May 2022 17:42 UTC

On Mon, 02 May 2022 17:07:00 +0100, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 2 May 2022 09:37:44 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>
>> I have to agree that Dell sucks.
>
> I don't agree. No, they're not the best computers you can buy, but
> they're not too bad. I don't use one, but my wife does and it's been
> fine. I also know many other people who are happy with their Dell
> computers.
>
> Dell's top-of-the-line models are sold under the brand name
> "Alienware," and as far as I'm concerned, they are among the best
> pre-built OEM computers you can buy.

The problem is they're non standard, like Apple. Not as bad as they used to be when you had to get Dell RAM, but still, stupid shaped cases and connectors.

>> Of course, just about everything
>> manufactured in the United States is garbage.
>
> I disagree with that too. Yes, a lot of it is very poor, but far from
> "just about everything."

Cars. They don't go round corners. And they get half the power output from the same size engine. Americans don't care, they just put in a 6.2 litre engine if they want to go 100. Meanwhile the rest of the world can do that with a 1.6 litre.

> My computer is custom built from components I selected. Almost all the
> components were built in the US, and I think it's very good.

I thought virtually every computer component is Chinese or Malaysian?

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 by: Rene Lamontagne - Sat, 7 May 2022 17:42 UTC

On 2022-05-07 12:30 p.m., Chris wrote:
> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>> On 2022-05-06 7:43 a.m., Joel wrote:
>>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I give enough to the church to represent the value of the services I
>>>>> use, which I've estimated as having a retail value of $13 a month (use
>>>>> of their bathroom, coffee, and the communion). I don't give more,
>>>>> because I can't entirely agree with them on LGBT and gender equality
>>>>> issues (although they are as progressive as that type of church gets).
>>>>
>>>> Any "church" which does more than tolerate LGBT or their values is going
>>>> against the word of God and the Holy Bible and does no better than the
>>>> Church of Satan would.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cite where God or Jesus said anything against LGBT people.
>>
>> Since the Holy Bible in its entirety is considered to be the word of God:
>
> It is isn't. It's a medieval document written by monks which has little
> relevance today. Especially the old testament where rape and murder are
> considered acceptable.
>
> Thankfully we are better than that these days.
>
>

Not really, Just look at Russia

Rene

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 by: Paul - Sat, 7 May 2022 20:00 UTC

On 5/2/2022 12:07 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

> My computer is custom built from components I selected. Almost all the
> components were built in the US, and I think it's very good.

The glossy cardboard boxes the computer components came in,
they say "Made In China", "Made in Taiwan", "Made in Vietnam",
rather than "Made in USA".

Check out the side of the cardboard boxes used in your build.
They tell at least a part of the story.

Paul

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 by: Chris - Sat, 7 May 2022 21:34 UTC

Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> wrote:
> On 2022-05-07 12:30 p.m., Chris wrote:
>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-06 7:43 a.m., Joel wrote:
>>>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I give enough to the church to represent the value of the services I
>>>>>> use, which I've estimated as having a retail value of $13 a month (use
>>>>>> of their bathroom, coffee, and the communion). I don't give more,
>>>>>> because I can't entirely agree with them on LGBT and gender equality
>>>>>> issues (although they are as progressive as that type of church gets).
>>>>>
>>>>> Any "church" which does more than tolerate LGBT or their values is going
>>>>> against the word of God and the Holy Bible and does no better than the
>>>>> Church of Satan would.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cite where God or Jesus said anything against LGBT people.
>>>
>>> Since the Holy Bible in its entirety is considered to be the word of God:
>>
>> It is isn't. It's a medieval document written by monks which has little
>> relevance today. Especially the old testament where rape and murder are
>> considered acceptable.
>>
>> Thankfully we are better than that these days.
>>
>>
>
> Not really, Just look at Russia

None of us finds it acceptable.

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Sat, 7 May 2022 21:35 UTC

On Sat, 07 May 2022 21:00:45 +0100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On 5/2/2022 12:07 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> My computer is custom built from components I selected. Almost all the
>> components were built in the US, and I think it's very good.
>
> The glossy cardboard boxes the computer components came in,
> they say "Made In China", "Made in Taiwan", "Made in Vietnam",
> rather than "Made in USA".
>
> Check out the side of the cardboard boxes used in your build.
> They tell at least a part of the story.

It is very important the cardboard is not made in China.

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Sat, 7 May 2022 23:27 UTC

On Tue, 03 May 2022 14:16:04 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

> On 2022-05-03 12:06 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 May 2022 13:18:14 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-05-02 2:16 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 02 May 2022 06:50:35 +0100, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/1/2022 8:21 AM, rabidR04CH wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-05-01 8:11 a.m., Joel wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would not have gotten anywhere near as killer of a machine, for
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> money, from an OEM, compared to what I built from parts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You would have, it was just a matter of looking. A lot of media
>>>>>>> companies have done the research over the years to determine whether
>>>>>>> building it yourself is better and the result is always the same:
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> not. Besides, the OEM gives you a warranty of at least a year with
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> purchase of their machine whereas you get nothing when you build it
>>>>>>> yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Corsair PSUs I build into my machines come with a 10-year
>>>>>> warranty--though I never had to use it. All of the other parts have a
>>>>>> warranty too. Makers of prebuilt systems don't seem to have an
>>>>>> incentive
>>>>>> for their systems to last much longer than the 1 year warranty period
>>>>>> you mentioned. The computer I am using now is 7 years old
>>>>>> (admittedly I
>>>>>> did have to replace its GPU last year).
>>>>>
>>>>> And I doubt even if there was a Corsair in the shop bought PC, they
>>>>> would honour a 10 year warranty. The shop probably wouldn't even exist
>>>>> by then.
>>>>
>>>> I clearly said manufacturers, not shops. Go move the goalposts
>>>> elsewhere, friend.
>>>
>>> Welcome to the joys of debating the Commander.
>>
>> I feel like I'm arguing with 10 year olds. Neither of you can follow a
>> simple train of thought.
>
> Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that you deliberately
> changed the vocabulary used in an attempt to move goal posts or that you
> are simply unclear in the way that you express yourself. He and I are
> quite accustomed to dealing with trolls so we know how to detect
> dishonesty from posters. The fault is entirely on your side, not ours.

Not sure why you have difficulty understanding me. I'll make my point again from scratch.

Buy from shop = either:
1) Shit PSU.
2) Corsair but they've lost the warranty or don't tell you about it.
3) They've gone bust by the time you need to claim.

Buy yourself =:
10 yr warranty from Corsair.

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On Tue, 03 May 2022 14:17:45 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

> On 2022-05-03 12:37 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 May 2022 10:50:44 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 01 May 2022 09:34:04 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:45:35 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only ones who pay for either Windows 10 or 11 are
>>>>>>> builders. Otherwise, the operating system just comes with your
>>>>>>> machine
>>>>>>> the way it does on a Mac. The days of having to buy the OS and
>>>>>>> then buy
>>>>>>> the upgrade are long gone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who buys a machine in one piece?! I did once, my first computer.
>>>>>> I ordered it with no OS. I didn't want the thing full of adware.
>>>>>> Also it's cheaper to borrow someone else's CD. It's called recycling.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many people buy prefab desktop machines, or laptops, and want it to
>>>>> "just work" when they turn it on the first time. This is one reason
>>>>> Microsoft sells Windows Home so inexpensively on such computers, not
>>>>> only does the OEM handle supporting it,
>>>>
>>>> And if you install it yourself Microsoft supports it? I don't think
>>>> so. OEM Windows doesn't cost MS any less.
>>>
>>> Support in this context refers to tech support, not just updates. OEMs
>>> are required to handle such tech support for their customers. If you
>>> buy Windows as a standalone product, you either get support from
>>> Microsoft, if it's retail (like what I bought), or you have to take
>>> your chances without tech support, if you buy the System Builder OEM
>>> copies. The latter option would be fine with me, I bought Windows 7
>>> that way, but I didn't care about saving the money on it when I bought
>>> Windows 10 last year, I wanted to get my product key instantly from
>>> Microsoft.
>>
>> There's fuck all support from MS either way, actually there's lots, but
>> it's all the wrong answers, just cut and paste stock answers. And they
>> don't ask your serial number when you ask a question. So you get the
>> same support from MS with an OEM product.
>>
>>>>> but it helps sell their
>>>>> product in general - less techie customers get a complete package of
>>>>> hardware and software. If everyone had to install Windows themselves,
>>>>> it'd put a damper on the market for it (and thus Office and other
>>>>> Microsoft software, for that matter).
>>>>
>>>> But it's cheaper to install it yourself.
>>>
>>> If you're pirating it, sure.
>>
>> Precisely what I was referring to.
>>
>> The day MS make an OS without any bugs is the day I'll pay for it.
>
> Out of curiosity, how effective would you be at squashing bugs in a
> product that is expected to work and be stable on an unlimited amount of
> computer configurations like Windows is?

I wouldn't put the bugs in in the first place. You see, most bugs are introduced when they change what was working just fine. How did they for example manage to introduce a bug in notepad? That's worked perfectly since Windows 2.

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 by: Joel - Sun, 8 May 2022 00:01 UTC

"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 03 May 2022 14:17:45 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>> On 2022-05-03 12:37 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>
>>> The day MS make an OS without any bugs is the day I'll pay for it.
>>
>> Out of curiosity, how effective would you be at squashing bugs in a
>> product that is expected to work and be stable on an unlimited amount of
>> computer configurations like Windows is?
>
>I wouldn't put the bugs in in the first place. You see, most bugs are introduced when they change what was working just fine. How did they for example manage to introduce a bug in notepad? That's worked perfectly since Windows 2.

The new Notepad is abominable, yeah. But I simply started using a
free, third party text editor. It's every bit as good as the classic
Notepad.

--
Joel Crump

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 by: Paul - Sun, 8 May 2022 00:45 UTC

On 5/7/2022 7:28 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

>
> I wouldn't put the bugs in in the first place.  You see, most bugs are introduced when they change what was working just fine.  How did they for example manage to introduce a bug in notepad?  That's worked perfectly since Windows 2.

The notepad in early Win10, was inherited Win32 content
from an earlier time. In included the usual features,
such as a "broken Find/Replace" that takes hours
to process 20000 changes.

Later in Win10, some genius decided to put UTF8 support
or something of that nature, into the Win32. (With a hex editor,
look at the first two characters in the file for "binary" values.)

In the process of editing, they introduced enough changes to
the code, that the Find/Replace started working. The load times
were better. No Linux-like sloppy jalopy loading behavior.

That Win10 one, deserved some sort of award. For getting
it mostly right for a change.

When Windows 11 came along, they apparently wanted to
make a Metro App out of it. It would appear they
forked something from earlier in Windows 10, without
a lot of the more progressive changes in it.

The Windows 11 one is like a bad science project. It uses
sloppy jalopy loading behavior. And the number one bug
for me. The fucking disappearing cursor. When I replace
my video card in a few days, we'll see if this is just inherited
from some AMD cursor support or something.

*******

I presume there's a "lessons learned" in the history of Notepad.
It involves the usage of random number generators (Magic 8 ball)
and a crying lack of middle management to run things.
And has little to do with coding style or the
qualities of the coders.

The modern software factory, means we can *never* advance
the yardsticks on software quality. *Not ever*.
The random number generator sees to that.
"Let's fork notepad from Windows 3.1 and make it Fluent"
You lose all the benefit of using bright employees,
by feeding them poor materials to start with.

Paul

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 by: rabidR04CH - Sun, 8 May 2022 00:56 UTC

On 2022-05-07 7:28 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 03 May 2022 14:17:45 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-03 12:37 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 01 May 2022 10:50:44 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 01 May 2022 09:34:04 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:45:35 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only ones who pay for either Windows 10 or 11 are
>>>>>>>> builders. Otherwise, the operating system just comes with your
>>>>>>>> machine
>>>>>>>> the way it does on a Mac. The days of having to buy the OS and
>>>>>>>> then buy
>>>>>>>> the upgrade are long gone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who buys a machine in one piece?!  I did once, my first computer.
>>>>>>> I ordered it with no OS.  I didn't want the thing full of adware.
>>>>>>> Also it's cheaper to borrow someone else's CD.  It's called
>>>>>>> recycling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many people buy prefab desktop machines, or laptops, and want it to
>>>>>> "just work" when they turn it on the first time.  This is one reason
>>>>>> Microsoft sells Windows Home so inexpensively on such computers, not
>>>>>> only does the OEM handle supporting it,
>>>>>
>>>>> And if you install it yourself Microsoft supports it?  I don't think
>>>>> so.  OEM Windows doesn't cost MS any less.
>>>>
>>>> Support in this context refers to tech support, not just updates. OEMs
>>>> are required to handle such tech support for their customers.  If you
>>>> buy Windows as a standalone product, you either get support from
>>>> Microsoft, if it's retail (like what I bought), or you have to take
>>>> your chances without tech support, if you buy the System Builder OEM
>>>> copies.  The latter option would be fine with me, I bought Windows 7
>>>> that way, but I didn't care about saving the money on it when I bought
>>>> Windows 10 last year, I wanted to get my product key instantly from
>>>> Microsoft.
>>>
>>> There's fuck all support from MS either way, actually there's lots, but
>>> it's all the wrong answers, just cut and paste stock answers.  And they
>>> don't ask your serial number when you ask a question.  So you get the
>>> same support from MS with an OEM product.
>>>
>>>>>> but it helps sell their
>>>>>> product in general - less techie customers get a complete package of
>>>>>> hardware and software.  If everyone had to install Windows
>>>>>> themselves,
>>>>>> it'd put a damper on the market for it (and thus Office and other
>>>>>> Microsoft software, for that matter).
>>>>>
>>>>> But it's cheaper to install it yourself.
>>>>
>>>> If you're pirating it, sure.
>>>
>>> Precisely what I was referring to.
>>>
>>> The day MS make an OS without any bugs is the day I'll pay for it.
>>
>> Out of curiosity, how effective would you be at squashing bugs in a
>> product that is expected to work and be stable on an unlimited amount of
>> computer configurations like Windows is?
>
> I wouldn't put the bugs in in the first place.  You see, most bugs are
> introduced when they change what was working just fine.  How did they
> for example manage to introduce a bug in notepad?  That's worked
> perfectly since Windows 2.

In most cases, they didn't change the software as you suggest; they
changed one of the many things it might depend on.

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On Sat, 07 May 2022 20:01:16 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>On Tue, 03 May 2022 14:17:45 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-03 12:37 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The day MS make an OS without any bugs is the day I'll pay for it.
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity, how effective would you be at squashing bugs in a
>>> product that is expected to work and be stable on an unlimited amount of
>>> computer configurations like Windows is?
>>
>>I wouldn't put the bugs in in the first place. You see, most bugs are introduced when they change what was working just fine. How did they for example manage to introduce a bug in notepad? That's worked perfectly since Windows 2.
>
>
>The new Notepad is abominable, yeah.

It's fine as far as I'm concerned. It's not a word processor; it's
just a text editor, and it does the slight, simple text editing I
occasionally do without a problem.

Try to use it as a word processor, and yes, it's probably abominable.

>But I simply started using a
>free, third party text editor. It's every bit as good as the classic
>Notepad.

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On Sat, 7 May 2022 17:30:29 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

>rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>> On 2022-05-06 7:43 a.m., Joel wrote:
>>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I give enough to the church to represent the value of the services I
>>>>> use, which I've estimated as having a retail value of $13 a month (use
>>>>> of their bathroom, coffee, and the communion). I don't give more,
>>>>> because I can't entirely agree with them on LGBT and gender equality
>>>>> issues (although they are as progressive as that type of church gets).
>>>>
>>>> Any "church" which does more than tolerate LGBT or their values is going
>>>> against the word of God and the Holy Bible and does no better than the
>>>> Church of Satan would.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cite where God or Jesus said anything against LGBT people.
>>
>> Since the Holy Bible in its entirety is considered to be the word of God:
>
>It is isn't. It's a medieval document written by monks which has little
>relevance today. Especially the old testament where rape and murder are
>considered acceptable.
>
>Thankfully we are better than that these days.

*Some* of us are. Unfortunately, not all.

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Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

>>The new [Win11] Notepad is abominable, yeah.
>
>It's fine as far as I'm concerned. It's not a word processor; it's
>just a text editor, and it does the slight, simple text editing I
>occasionally do without a problem.
>
>Try to use it as a word processor, and yes, it's probably abominable.

It's not that, it doesn't handle large text files, such as chat logs,
at all. It's either never going to be worth a damn, or it's yet
another one of Microsoft's public beta tests.

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On Sun, 08 May 2022 01:56:44 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

> On 2022-05-07 7:28 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 14:17:45 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-05-03 12:37 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 01 May 2022 10:50:44 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 01 May 2022 09:34:04 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> but it helps sell their
>>>>>>> product in general - less techie customers get a complete package of
>>>>>>> hardware and software. If everyone had to install Windows
>>>>>>> themselves,
>>>>>>> it'd put a damper on the market for it (and thus Office and other
>>>>>>> Microsoft software, for that matter).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it's cheaper to install it yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're pirating it, sure.
>>>>
>>>> Precisely what I was referring to.
>>>>
>>>> The day MS make an OS without any bugs is the day I'll pay for it.
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity, how effective would you be at squashing bugs in a
>>> product that is expected to work and be stable on an unlimited amount of
>>> computer configurations like Windows is?
>>
>> I wouldn't put the bugs in in the first place. You see, most bugs are
>> introduced when they change what was working just fine. How did they
>> for example manage to introduce a bug in notepad? That's worked
>> perfectly since Windows 2.
>
> In most cases, they didn't change the software as you suggest; they
> changed one of the many things it might depend on.

Too many dependencies in modern software, a tangled web of errors.

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On Sun, 08 May 2022 18:57:43 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>
>>> The new [Win11] Notepad is abominable, yeah.
>>
>> It's fine as far as I'm concerned. It's not a word processor; it's
>> just a text editor, and it does the slight, simple text editing I
>> occasionally do without a problem.
>>
>> Try to use it as a word processor, and yes, it's probably abominable.
>
> It's not that, it doesn't handle large text files, such as chat logs,
> at all. It's either never going to be worth a damn, or it's yet
> another one of Microsoft's public beta tests.

I use wordpad if I approach word processing level (eg I want to colour code etc), and word if I'm doing something bigger like inserting graphs.

Notepad in Windows 11 has only 1 bug I've found. You cannot place the cursor in the 2nd last line using the mouse. Not the end of the world, but surprising they managed to break such a simple operation.

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 by: rabidR04CH - Mon, 9 May 2022 01:13 UTC

On 2022-05-08 2:37 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sun, 08 May 2022 01:56:44 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-07 7:28 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 14:17:45 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-05-03 12:37 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 01 May 2022 10:50:44 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 01 May 2022 09:34:04 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> but it helps sell their
>>>>>>>> product in general - less techie customers get a complete
>>>>>>>> package of
>>>>>>>> hardware and software.  If everyone had to install Windows
>>>>>>>> themselves,
>>>>>>>> it'd put a damper on the market for it (and thus Office and other
>>>>>>>> Microsoft software, for that matter).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it's cheaper to install it yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're pirating it, sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Precisely what I was referring to.
>>>>>
>>>>> The day MS make an OS without any bugs is the day I'll pay for it.
>>>>
>>>> Out of curiosity, how effective would you be at squashing bugs in a
>>>> product that is expected to work and be stable on an unlimited
>>>> amount of
>>>> computer configurations like Windows is?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't put the bugs in in the first place.  You see, most bugs are
>>> introduced when they change what was working just fine.  How did they
>>> for example manage to introduce a bug in notepad?  That's worked
>>> perfectly since Windows 2.
>>
>> In most cases, they didn't change the software as you suggest; they
>> changed one of the many things it might depend on.
>
> Too many dependencies in modern software, a tangled web of errors.

True, but no software developer is willing to develop every part of a
complex program on their own. If someone has already developed a sound
system they can use or a 3D engine, it makes sense that they would use
it rather that build their own from scratch. The best way to fix this
issue is for software to take an approach like Ubuntu's Snap or Flatpak
where every application you download also includes the specific
dependencies it needs. Those remain at the version they need to be for
the program to run properly so there's no way you're getting anything
other than what you expect from one day to another.

--
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On Mon, 09 May 2022 02:13:01 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

> On 2022-05-08 2:37 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 May 2022 01:56:44 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-05-07 7:28 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 14:17:45 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-05-03 12:37 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 01 May 2022 10:50:44 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 01 May 2022 09:34:04 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> but it helps sell their
>>>>>>>>> product in general - less techie customers get a complete
>>>>>>>>> package of
>>>>>>>>> hardware and software. If everyone had to install Windows
>>>>>>>>> themselves,
>>>>>>>>> it'd put a damper on the market for it (and thus Office and other
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft software, for that matter).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But it's cheaper to install it yourself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you're pirating it, sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Precisely what I was referring to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The day MS make an OS without any bugs is the day I'll pay for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Out of curiosity, how effective would you be at squashing bugs in a
>>>>> product that is expected to work and be stable on an unlimited
>>>>> amount of
>>>>> computer configurations like Windows is?
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't put the bugs in in the first place. You see, most bugs are
>>>> introduced when they change what was working just fine. How did they
>>>> for example manage to introduce a bug in notepad? That's worked
>>>> perfectly since Windows 2.
>>>
>>> In most cases, they didn't change the software as you suggest; they
>>> changed one of the many things it might depend on.
>>
>> Too many dependencies in modern software, a tangled web of errors.
>
> True, but no software developer is willing to develop every part of a
> complex program on their own. If someone has already developed a sound
> system they can use or a 3D engine, it makes sense that they would use
> it rather that build their own from scratch. The best way to fix this
> issue is for software to take an approach like Ubuntu's Snap or Flatpak
> where every application you download also includes the specific
> dependencies it needs. Those remain at the version they need to be for
> the program to run properly so there's no way you're getting anything
> other than what you expect from one day to another.

I thought that could be done in Windows too? I'm sure I've seen programs have a dll in their own folder instead of using the one in the windows folder?

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On Fri, 06 May 2022 10:17:58 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>> On 5/5/2022 2:40 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I actually want
>>>>> Microsoft to have the $200.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, because Microsoft is a poor company about to go under and they really need your money.
>>>
>>> No one is saying that. But they are a business, and they need revenue
>>> from their products. I don't have an issue paying my fair share.
>>
>> I'd like to be sitting next to you when the tithing plate goes around in
>> church! ; )
>
> I give enough to the church to represent the value of the services I
> use, which I've estimated as having a retail value of $13 a month (use
> of their bathroom, coffee, and the communion). I don't give more,
> because I can't entirely agree with them on LGBT and gender equality
> issues (although they are as progressive as that type of church gets).
> But certainly, I don't feel entitled to go there every week, using
> those services, without chipping in.

Ahhhh! Now I see what's happening here! Your righteous shit. It's because you're a religious moron!

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On Fri, 06 May 2022 12:18:22 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>
>>>> I'd like to be sitting next to you when the tithing plate goes around in
>>>> church! ; )
>>>
>>> I give enough to the church to represent the value of the services I
>>> use, which I've estimated as having a retail value of $13 a month (use
>>> of their bathroom, coffee, and the communion). I don't give more,
>>> because I can't entirely agree with them on LGBT and gender equality
>>> issues (although they are as progressive as that type of church gets).
>>> But certainly, I don't feel entitled to go there every week, using
>>> those services, without chipping in.
>>
>> That's an interesting perspective on "their services".
>> $13/4 ~~ $3.25/wk. That would estimate your income around $32.50/wk.
>> Are you the pastor?
>
> I didn't say I was giving them 10% of my income. I couldn't afford to
> do that. But I give what I feel is deserved.

Churches deserve to be blown up.

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On Fri, 06 May 2022 12:57:40 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

> On 2022-05-06 7:43 a.m., Joel wrote:
>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>
>>>> I give enough to the church to represent the value of the services I
>>>> use, which I've estimated as having a retail value of $13 a month (use
>>>> of their bathroom, coffee, and the communion). I don't give more,
>>>> because I can't entirely agree with them on LGBT and gender equality
>>>> issues (although they are as progressive as that type of church gets).
>>>
>>> Any "church" which does more than tolerate LGBT or their values is going
>>> against the word of God and the Holy Bible and does no better than the
>>> Church of Satan would.
>>
>>
>> Cite where God or Jesus said anything against LGBT people.
>
> Since the Holy Bible in its entirety is considered to be the word of God:

Which one? They keep rewriting it as often as the American constitution.

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On Sat, 07 May 2022 18:42:30 +0100, Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> wrote:

> On 2022-05-07 12:30 p.m., Chris wrote:
>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-06 7:43 a.m., Joel wrote:
>>>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I give enough to the church to represent the value of the services I
>>>>>> use, which I've estimated as having a retail value of $13 a month (use
>>>>>> of their bathroom, coffee, and the communion). I don't give more,
>>>>>> because I can't entirely agree with them on LGBT and gender equality
>>>>>> issues (although they are as progressive as that type of church gets).
>>>>>
>>>>> Any "church" which does more than tolerate LGBT or their values is going
>>>>> against the word of God and the Holy Bible and does no better than the
>>>>> Church of Satan would.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cite where God or Jesus said anything against LGBT people.
>>>
>>> Since the Holy Bible in its entirety is considered to be the word of God:
>>
>> It is isn't. It's a medieval document written by monks which has little
>> relevance today. Especially the old testament where rape and murder are
>> considered acceptable.
>>
>> Thankfully we are better than that these days.
>
> Not really, Just look at Russia

Russia is a great place to live. Or it was until the west started sanctioning everything to punish the civilians which had no part in the war.

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"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>> I didn't say I was giving them [the church] 10% of my income. I couldn't afford to
>> do that. But I give what I feel is deserved.
>
>Churches deserve to be blown up.

So you're not only an asshole, but a terrorist. Great.

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On 2022-05-09 7:45 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 09 May 2022 02:13:01 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-08 2:37 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 08 May 2022 01:56:44 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-05-07 7:28 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 14:17:45 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-05-03 12:37 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 01 May 2022 10:50:44 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 01 May 2022 09:34:04 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> but it helps sell their
>>>>>>>>>> product in general - less techie customers get a complete
>>>>>>>>>> package of
>>>>>>>>>> hardware and software.  If everyone had to install Windows
>>>>>>>>>> themselves,
>>>>>>>>>> it'd put a damper on the market for it (and thus Office and other
>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft software, for that matter).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But it's cheaper to install it yourself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you're pirating it, sure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Precisely what I was referring to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The day MS make an OS without any bugs is the day I'll pay for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Out of curiosity, how effective would you be at squashing bugs in a
>>>>>> product that is expected to work and be stable on an unlimited
>>>>>> amount of
>>>>>> computer configurations like Windows is?
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't put the bugs in in the first place.  You see, most bugs are
>>>>> introduced when they change what was working just fine.  How did they
>>>>> for example manage to introduce a bug in notepad?  That's worked
>>>>> perfectly since Windows 2.
>>>>
>>>> In most cases, they didn't change the software as you suggest; they
>>>> changed one of the many things it might depend on.
>>>
>>> Too many dependencies in modern software, a tangled web of errors.
>>
>> True, but no software developer is willing to develop every part of a
>> complex program on their own. If someone has already developed a sound
>> system they can use or a 3D engine, it makes sense that they would use
>> it rather that build their own from scratch. The best way to fix this
>> issue is for software to take an approach like Ubuntu's Snap or Flatpak
>> where every application you download also includes the specific
>> dependencies it needs. Those remain at the version they need to be for
>> the program to run properly so there's no way you're getting anything
>> other than what you expect from one day to another.
>
> I thought that could be done in Windows too?  I'm sure I've seen
> programs have a dll in their own folder instead of using the one in the
> windows folder?

It can but often isn't. If you want similar functionality in Windows,
you'd have to download your software from the Windows Store exclusively
but I don't believe that even the stuff there all works in that manner.

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On 2022-05-09 7:48 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Fri, 06 May 2022 12:18:22 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I'd like to be sitting next to you when the tithing plate goes
>>>>> around in
>>>>> church! ; )
>>>>
>>>> I give enough to the church to represent the value of the services I
>>>> use, which I've estimated as having a retail value of $13 a month (use
>>>> of their bathroom, coffee, and the communion).  I don't give more,
>>>> because I can't entirely agree with them on LGBT and gender equality
>>>> issues (although they are as progressive as that type of church gets).
>>>> But certainly, I don't feel entitled to go there every week, using
>>>> those services, without chipping in.
>>>
>>> That's an interesting perspective on "their services".
>>> $13/4 ~~ $3.25/wk. That would estimate your income around $32.50/wk.
>>> Are you the pastor?
>>
>> I didn't say I was giving them 10% of my income.  I couldn't afford to
>> do that.  But I give what I feel is deserved.
>
> Churches deserve to be blown up.

.... Aaaaaaaand into the retard bin you go.

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"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>> I give enough to the church to represent the value of the services I
>> use, which I've estimated as having a retail value of $13 a month (use
>> of their bathroom, coffee, and the communion). I don't give more,
>> because I can't entirely agree with them on LGBT and gender equality
>> issues (although they are as progressive as that type of church gets).
>> But certainly, I don't feel entitled to go there every week, using
>> those services, without chipping in.
>
>Ahhhh! Now I see what's happening here! Your righteous shit. It's because you're a religious moron!

No, not really religious. I believe in the Christian theology,
essentially, but my spiritual beliefs are more complex than that, but
it's not something I think about all the time. What I like about
going to the church is that it's a good thing to do with my mom, and
enjoy the company of the people, and our shared values. It's just a
positive thing to do - you should try being positive, sometime.

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