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* moderators global site?jdanield
+* Re: moderators global site?Todd M. McComb
|`- Re: moderators global site?jdanield
+* Re: moderators global site?Etian
|`- Re: moderators global site?jdanield
`* Re: moderators global site?John Levine
 +* Re: moderators global site?jdanield
 |+- Re: moderators global site?John Levine
 |`- Re: moderators global site?Julien ÉLIE
 +- Re: moderators global site?Julien ÉLIE
 `- Re: moderators global site?Julien ÉLIE

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 by: jdanield - Mon, 24 Jan 2022 10:39 UTC

hello :-)

I don't know if there still are many moderated groups in the wild.

I have to make a moderated group as a trick to bind it to a mailing list
(a sympa trick) and noticed the "moderator" file and the page

https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs/moderators.html

both quotes "moderators.isc.org" as main/default moderators list.

I don't know if this address is still valid. Of course isc.org still
exists, but are they still managing moderators?

the mailing list is

https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/moderators

but is private

I try not to bother them by requesting a subscription only to know if
they read :-)

thanks
jdd

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From: mcc...@medieval.org (Todd M. McComb)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: moderators global site?
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 18:07:06 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: Todd M. McComb - Mon, 24 Jan 2022 18:07 UTC

In article <sslvl9$9fg$1@dont-email.me>, jdanield <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
>I don't know if there still are many moderated groups in the wild.

Not so many.

>I don't know if this address is still valid. Of course isc.org
>still exists, but are they still managing moderators?

Yes, I manage this. Updates still happen.

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 by: Etian - Mon, 24 Jan 2022 20:11 UTC

On 1/24/22 2:39 AM, jdanield wrote:
> hello :-)
>
> I don't know if there still are many moderated groups in the wild.
>
> I have to make a moderated group as a trick to bind it to a mailing list
> (a sympa trick) and noticed the "moderator" file and the page
>
> https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs/moderators.html
>
> both quotes "moderators.isc.org" as main/default moderators list.
>
> I don't know if this address is still valid. Of course isc.org still
> exists, but are they still managing moderators?
>
> the mailing list is
>
> https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/moderators
>
> but is private
>
> I try not to bother them by requesting a subscription only to know if
> they read :-)
>
> thanks
> jdd

It sounds like what you need is a private news server just to carry your
private group. That would be easy to set up on a little VPS.

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From: joh...@taugh.com (John Levine)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: moderators global site?
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 21:22:20 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: John Levine - Mon, 24 Jan 2022 21:22 UTC

According to jdanield <jdd@dodin.org>:
>hello :-)
>
>I don't know if there still are many moderated groups in the wild.
>
>I have to make a moderated group as a trick to bind it to a mailing list
>(a sympa trick) and noticed the "moderator" file and the page

INN has a moderators file with patterns that map moderated newsgroup
names to the moderators' address, with moderators.isc.org as the
default. I presume other news servers have something similar

If this is a local newsgroup, you need to put an entry in your
moderators file that points at the Sympa address, or more likely at a
script that uses something like formail to strip off the news headers
that will confuse sympa.

I run INN and Sympa and have gateways going both ways. They work OK.

--
Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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From: jdd...@dodin.org (jdanield)
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Subject: Re: moderators global site?
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 by: jdanield - Mon, 24 Jan 2022 22:04 UTC

Le 24/01/2022 à 19:07, Todd M. McComb a écrit :
> In article <sslvl9$9fg$1@dont-email.me>, jdanield <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
>> I don't know if there still are many moderated groups in the wild.
>
> Not so many.
>
>> I don't know if this address is still valid. Of course isc.org
>> still exists, but are they still managing moderators?
>
> Yes, I manage this. Updates still happen.
>
very good, thanks a lot :-))

got it
jdd

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 by: jdanield - Mon, 24 Jan 2022 22:07 UTC

Le 24/01/2022 à 21:11, Etian a écrit :

> It sounds like what you need is a private news server just to carry your
> private group. That would be easy to set up on a little VPS.

no.

it was only to test a sympa trick, that don't seems to work :-(

thanks
jdd

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 by: jdanield - Mon, 24 Jan 2022 22:10 UTC

Le 24/01/2022 à 22:22, John Levine a écrit :

> I run INN and Sympa and have gateways going both ways. They work OK.
>
very interesting do you use this:

https://www.sympa.org/faq/tips_and_howto#mailing_lists_and_newsgroups

I fail to make it work

my summary here (not working)

http://www.dodin.org/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Doc.ConfigurerINN-2021#toc-9

thanks
jdd

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 by: John Levine - Tue, 25 Jan 2022 00:47 UTC

It appears that jdanield <jdd@dodin.org> said:
>Le 24/01/2022 à 22:22, John Levine a écrit :
>
>> I run INN and Sympa and have gateways going both ways. They work OK.
>>
>very interesting do you use this:
>
>https://www.sympa.org/faq/tips_and_howto#mailing_lists_and_newsgroups

More or less but I have my own scripts that I wrote long before I switched
to Sympa.

--
Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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 by: Julien ÉLIE - Fri, 4 Feb 2022 21:15 UTC

Hi John,

> If this is a local newsgroup, you need to put an entry in your
> moderators file that points at the Sympa address, or more likely at a
> script that uses something like formail to strip off the news headers
> that will confuse sympa.

Do you happen to know which header fields confuse Sympa?

By default, mailpost keeps untouched:

Archive
Archived-At
Comments
Content-*
Date
Distribution
From
Injection-Date
Keywords
Mailing-List
Message-ID
MIME-*
Organization
References
Return-Path
Sender
Subject
Summary

removes:

X-Complaints-To
X-Trace

and prepends "X-" to all other header fields.

This can be changed with the -x and -z flags given to mailpost but I
would be happy to modify these defaults if you think they should be adapted.

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Arrêtez vos salades, Romaines ! » (Astérix)

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 by: Julien ÉLIE - Fri, 4 Feb 2022 21:52 UTC

Bonsoir Jean-Daniel,

> I fail to make it work
> my summary here (not working)
>
> http://www.dodin.org/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Doc.ConfigurerINN-2021#toc-9

I've taken the time to read your summary.
OK, I understand what's going on.

I've updated the mailpost man page to explain how it works. You have to use
"-a" and set up readers.conf (to allow the posts of approved articles) and
moderators.
I've taken into account your suggestion of not using "-b /var/tmp" in the
example for the path to a persistent database directory (I now suggest
"-b /var/spool/mailpost" if the default of <pathdb> is not usable).

Normally, mailpost is run by sendmail(8) via an alias entry:

local-mail-wreck-bikes: "|<pathbin in inn.conf>/mailpost
-b /var/spool/mailpost -t /tmp -d local local.bicycles.racing"

The -b and -t flags are useful to change the directories used by
mailpost by default. As a matter of fact, though it is recommended to
run mailpost as the news user, it is as often as not run as another
user, notably the mail user. Therefore, you should make sure to create
and set to be writable by the user that mailpost runs as the
directories where to put the database and the temporary files. Also,
mailpost must be executable by that user.

Instead of /var/spool/mailpost, the mail spool directory can be
specified, or any other directory where the mailpost process has write
access.

A common practice to gateway a newsgroup to a mailing-list is to create
a moderated newsgroup (running for instance the command "ctlinnd
newgroup local.bicycles.racing m") and set the moderation address for
this newsgroup in the moderators file in pathetc to the mailing-list
address. If you add an -a flag in the above example, then on the one
hand, when a message is sent to the mailing-list, mailpost will be run,
mark it as approved, and the message will directly reach the newsgroup.
On the other hand, when a message is posted to the newsgroup, it
normally does not have an Approved header field, so it will be sent (by
nnrpd) to the mailing-list address configured in the moderators file,
which means the message reaches the mailing-list and, like any other
messages posted to the mailing-list, it will be processed by mailpost,
approved, and finally reach the newsgroup.

In combination with:

-a addr
If the -a flag is used, addr (which is usually the e-mail address
of the poster) is added to the article as the body of an Approved
header field. It is useful if one of the newsgroup to which the
article should be posted is moderated. (Of course, this flag
should be added only if you are supposed to auto-approve your
posts.)

Be sure that the reader connection made by inews to post the
article is allowed to post approved articles (see the "A" letter in
the access parameter of access blocks in readers.conf).

And I have mentioned:

-b database
[...]
This option may be required if the
mailpost process does not have write access to the news database
directory (notably when it is executed as the mail user).
[...]
Make sure the specified location exists and is writable by the user
mailpost runs as.

Same addition to "-t tmpdir".

I hope these explanations will be helpful!

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Arrêtez vos salades, Romaines ! » (Astérix)

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 by: Julien ÉLIE - Fri, 4 Feb 2022 22:09 UTC

Hi John,

> If this is a local newsgroup, you need to put an entry in your
> moderators file that points at the Sympa address, or more likely at a
> script that uses something like formail to strip off the news headers
> that will confuse sympa.
>
> I run INN and Sympa and have gateways going both ways. They work OK.

Incidentally, as you're an e-mail expert, I see that mailpost
has a parameter to specify a Mailing-List header field...

-m mailing-list
If the -m flag is used, the value given is added to the article in
a Mailing-List header field, if such a header field doesn't already
exist.

Yet, this header field is not standardized.
I wonder if it shouldn't be the List-ID header field instead?

Do you have any advice about that?

Anyway, it needs being fixed (either -m removed or changed to List-ID
or any better header field name) because mailpost currently does
something weird with the argument...
Using "-m mailing-list" adds a "Mailing-List: <mailing-list> /dev/null"
header field...

if ($opt_m) {
$mailing_list = "<" . $opt_m . "> /dev/null";
}

$real_news_hdrs .= "Mailing-List: ${mailing_list}\n" if defined($mailing_list);

Weird.

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Il buvait toutes mes paroles, et comme je parlais beaucoup, à un
moment, je le vois qui titubait… » (Raymond Devos)

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