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On Fri, 13 May 2022 10:18:43 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>
>>>> I was able to get Office 2021 Pro Plus for $50 a few days ago by opting
>>>> for the "send me the key" approach as well. It's a legitimate copy too.
>>>
>>> Interesting, is that different from the subscription to Office they're
>>> promoting now? It sounds like it'd have all the same apps, although I
>>> guess you don't automatically get new versions that way.
>>
>>It's not 365 so the applications will stop updating after a while but
>>it's still Office 2021 and if you don't care about the latest features,
>>you're good. I could have just used the 365 I get from work for free but
>>I don't like the fact that it installs my work OneDrive onto my personal
>>computer so I would rather have my own license and use it as I wish.
>
>
>Quite interesting. My personal preference is LibreOffice, but I could
>certainly understand why you purchased this deal.

I have no personal favorite. In fact I'm against the idea of Office
Suites. In my opinion, it's best to choose the program you like best
in each category, without regard to what suite it's in.

My favorite word processor is WordPerfect, my favorite spreadsheet
program is Excel, my favorite e-mail client is Thunderbird.

The same goes for non-office programs My favorite e-mail client is
Thunderbird, but my favorite newsreader is Agent. I'm against the idea
of bundling programs of any type together.

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On Fri, 13 May 2022 10:30:11 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

>On 2022-05-11 1:25 p.m., Bill wrote:
>> On 5/11/2022 7:59 AM, rabidR04CH wrote:
>>
>>> I was able to get Office 2021 Pro Plus for $50 a few days ago by
>>> opting for the "send me the key" approach as well. It's a legitimate
>>> copy too.
>>>
>>>
>> Just curious.  I'm still using Office 2010.  What stands out in the
>> newer version that might make it worth an upgrade?
>
>Friend, whether you use 2010, 2003, 97 or 6.0, I don't care. I'm not
>trying to sell you a product.

It doesn't matter that you're not trying to sell a product or that you
don't care. His question is a legitimate one. What's better in the new
version? I'm also interested in hearing an answer. As far as I know,
the difference in recent versions is very slight, and there's almost
no reason to upgrade. But if you (or anyone else here) knows of
something that I've missed, I'd like to hear it

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 by: Joel - Fri, 13 May 2022 15:10 UTC

Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 13 May 2022 10:18:43 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>
>>>It's not 365 so the applications will stop updating after a while but
>>>it's still Office 2021 and if you don't care about the latest features,
>>>you're good. I could have just used the 365 I get from work for free but
>>>I don't like the fact that it installs my work OneDrive onto my personal
>>>computer so I would rather have my own license and use it as I wish.
>>
>>Quite interesting. My personal preference is LibreOffice, but I could
>>certainly understand why you purchased this deal.
>
>I have no personal favorite. In fact I'm against the idea of Office
>Suites. In my opinion, it's best to choose the program you like best
>in each category, without regard to what suite it's in.
>
>My favorite word processor is WordPerfect, my favorite spreadsheet
>program is Excel, my favorite e-mail client is Thunderbird.
>
>The same goes for non-office programs My favorite e-mail client is
>Thunderbird, but my favorite newsreader is Agent. I'm against the idea
>of bundling programs of any type together.

Indeed, I pick and choose the best apps for the right purposes. I
have to say, I am ecstatic with how Win11 has come along, with
StartAllBack, it's the latest and greatest.

--
Joel Crump

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 by: Ken Blake - Fri, 13 May 2022 15:17 UTC

On Fri, 13 May 2022 11:10:32 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>On Fri, 13 May 2022 10:18:43 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>>It's not 365 so the applications will stop updating after a while but
>>>>it's still Office 2021 and if you don't care about the latest features,
>>>>you're good. I could have just used the 365 I get from work for free but
>>>>I don't like the fact that it installs my work OneDrive onto my personal
>>>>computer so I would rather have my own license and use it as I wish.
>>>
>>>Quite interesting. My personal preference is LibreOffice, but I could
>>>certainly understand why you purchased this deal.
>>
>>I have no personal favorite. In fact I'm against the idea of Office
>>Suites. In my opinion, it's best to choose the program you like best
>>in each category, without regard to what suite it's in.
>>
>>My favorite word processor is WordPerfect, my favorite spreadsheet
>>program is Excel, my favorite e-mail client is Thunderbird.
>>
>>The same goes for non-office programs My favorite e-mail client is
>>Thunderbird, but my favorite newsreader is Agent. I'm against the idea
>>of bundling programs of any type together.
>
>
>Indeed, I pick and choose the best apps for the right purposes.

Glad we agree.

> I
>have to say, I am ecstatic with how Win11 has come along, with
>StartAllBack, it's the latest and greatest.

A recommendation: if you haven't tried Start11, you should.
StartAllBack is a good choice, but In my opinion Start11 is even
better. And it's only $5.

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 by: Joel - Fri, 13 May 2022 16:08 UTC

Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

>> I
>>have to say, I am ecstatic with how Win11 has come along, with
>>StartAllBack, it's the latest and greatest.
>
>A recommendation: if you haven't tried Start11, you should.
>StartAllBack is a good choice, but In my opinion Start11 is even
>better. And it's only $5.

It appears to have more features than I really need, and I already
paid for StartAllBack. But thanks.

--
Joel Crump

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Ken Blake wrote:
> On Fri, 13 May 2022 10:30:11 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-11 1:25 p.m., Bill wrote:
>>> Just curious.  I'm still using Office 2010.  What stands out in the
>>> newer version that might make it worth an upgrade?
>>
>> Friend, whether you use 2010, 2003, 97 or 6.0, I don't care. I'm not
>> trying to sell you a product.
>
> It doesn't matter that you're not trying to sell a product or that you
> don't care. His question is a legitimate one. What's better in the new
> version? I'm also interested in hearing an answer. As far as I know,
> the difference in recent versions is very slight, and there's almost
> no reason to upgrade. But if you (or anyone else here) knows of
> something that I've missed, I'd like to hear it
>

The question afaict was about the newer version vs. upgrading from 2010.
Somewhat unanswerable since each and every version of O2K*x* since O2K10
has added features and in some cases deprecated or removed other features.
Comparing a 12 yr old product to a current has little benefit.
The basic answer - it still provides a spreadsheet, word processor and
presentation/slide creation application and since 2013 suite integration
integration with the cloud[OneDrive/Contacts/Calendar] and a Microsoft
Account for use and continued activation.

Fot those wishing to make the comparison, quite a bit of easily found
documentation for that fishing trip....see the following:
2013 Perpetual
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/what-s-new-in-office-2013-dcce97ca-fe5d-4295-a1c3-49da3e775856#>
2016 Perpetual
<https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployoffice/office2016/changes-in-office-2016-for-windows-desktop>
2019
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/what-s-new-in-office-2019-5077cbbe-0d94-44cc-b30e-654e37629b0c>
2021 Perpetual
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/what-s-new-in-office-2021-43848c29-665d-4b1b-bc12-acd2bfb3910a>

2022 (Subscription, Microsoft 365)
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/what-s-new-in-microsoft-365-95c8d81d-08ba-42c1-914f-bca4603e1426>

Imo, for questions like this, it's better to provide the fishing pole
rather than a basket of fishes and let folks make their own analysis not
much different than deciding one prefers different apps(Excel, Word
Perfect, Thunderbird, etc.) instead of a MSFT Office suite.

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Fri, 13 May 2022 17:45 UTC

On Tue, 10 May 2022 06:50:39 +0100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On 5/9/2022 5:03 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 18:11:07 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 09 May 2022 16:16:39 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thinking abut this some more, how big is what you call a "large text
>>>>>> file"? Can you put a number on it, even if approximate? I use Notepad
>>>>>> to edit my autohotkey file, which is 151KB. It works without a
>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Multi-megabyte.
>>>>
>>>> It's never been designed for that. But how hard would it be for it to just say "no, too big", instead of trying and hanging?
>>>
>>>
>>> It had always worked, before. Notepad was a useful, and included,
>>> app. Not anymore.
>>
>> Notepad has never handled large files. Neither does the one that comes with Ubuntu. Which being Linux, it stupidly tries to use to open executable files if you haven't "given them permission" to be an executable file.
>
> It's easy to work out a rough theoretical limit.
>
> It uses a 32-bit data structure, even when the executable is
> nominally 64-bit (PE32+). This means the memory will be limited
> to around 1800 MB.
>
> The characters are stored as double-byte. This cuts the max
> characters down to around 900 MB worth. You might have to go
> back a long way, to find it storing ASCII, but in such a time,
> other arch limits prevented such large files from working.
>
> So far, I see no sign of pure 64-bitness on that puppy.

Wordpad has always opened larger files, right back to Windows 95 or maybe 3. There wasn't 64 bit back then.

> The 1800 is a rough approximation. The limit might be 2 GB,
> but some of that space is used by code or something, so the
> space is pared down a bit. My "representative number" (like
> if discussing Photoshop behavior), is to call that limit
> 1800 MB, plus or minus.
>
> And Notepad will tell you, if the file turns out to be too big.

It does not. It just sits there indefinitely until you kill the process. Very stupid programming.

> With the ability to make arbitrary sized text file, using
> two commands in Command Prompt, it shouldn't take long to
> characterize to your satisfaction.
>
> *******
>
> Text Widgets started a long time ago, with TeachText
> as an example. It had a 32KB limitation. It was intended
> to be "demo code" of some sort. But doing this sort of
> thing ("demo-ing") is a mistake, because it holds back
> the technology for decades. This is why it took so long
> for decent RAMDisks to show up on Windows. The demo code
> destroyed any motivation to work on it, for developers.
>
> So when you write code for chuckles, instead of writing
> code for people to get work done, this has all sorts
> of unintended consequences. It's pretty obvious the people
> at Microsoft, neither know nor care about the disposition
> of Notepad.

Almost every programmer in existance doesn't have a clue. Do they even use compilers any more? Most stuff runs at the speed I'd expect from interpreted code.

If you can program properly, you could make a fortune being a freelance "code tightener". Paintshop Pro and Photoshop taking 30 seconds just to start up on the latest processor? WTF?

> This is why the Win10 improved version was
> such a shock. Like having ice cold water thrown on you.

Why would cold water be a shock? Are you a girl?

> Never in a million years, did I expect them to put an ounce
> of effort into it. But they did. Then W11 went back
> to the status quo, of "don't care and don't wanna know".

Nothing in Windows has shown the desire to care.

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[]
>I have no personal favorite. In fact I'm against the idea of Office
>Suites. In my opinion, it's best to choose the program you like best
>in each category, without regard to what suite it's in.

I tend to agree, for such different prog.s; as well as everything else,
it also encourages people to think "grid" means "spreadsheet", so when
they want a grid/table in their Word document, they use Excel.
>
>My favorite word processor is WordPerfect, my favorite spreadsheet
>program is Excel, my favorite e-mail client is Thunderbird.
>
>The same goes for non-office programs My favorite e-mail client is
>Thunderbird, but my favorite newsreader is Agent. I'm against the idea
>of bundling programs of any type together.

Each to his own; I like having the same prog. For news and mail, as they
have similar requirements (quoted text etc.), and I don't have to
remember which I'm using and how it does things differently from how the
other one does; and the main disadvantage usually quoted - that of
accidentally sending an email where a post was intended, or vice versa -
I don't tend to do (well under one a year; I think less than 5 times in
about 30 years, but can't remember for sure). Conversely, if I _want_ to
send a private email reply to a newsgroup poster, it's easy.

But I wouldn't try to force my view on anyone; above is/are just my
explanation of why _I_ like the way I have.

(As to the question of what's improved in recent Office suites and
someone's reply that comparing 12 year old to current isn't very valid,
I disagree: I use by default Word 2003, and have seen very little reason
to change [I have the converters]. But again, I wouldn't force my choice
on anyone - though am _interested_ in what the purported advantages
might be.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If it's not on fire, it's a software problem.

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Fri, 13 May 2022 22:03 UTC

On Tue, 10 May 2022 03:10:00 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Of course it's [pirating Windows] victimless. Re-read what I wrote and use a calculator if necessary. "If I changed to Linux, they'd still get no money form me."
>>>
>>> Then put your (lack of) money where your mouth is - switch to Linux.
>>> But you won't do that, will you? You're just a shameless warezer.
>>
>> I've already explained to you that switching to Linux wouldn't profit MS, so why should I do it?
>
> Because that would be the right thing to do, if you don't want to pay
> for software.

It doesn't make MS richer. It has no impact on them at all. So what is gained by my switching? Don't tell me god's watching....

>>>>> Nope, very few people, statistically speaking, do what I did [pay the retail price for Windows].
>>>>
>>>> Because very few people are as stupid as you.
>>>
>>> And again, insulting people who do the honorable thing. Utter stupidity.
>>
>> Honourable. And yes it's stupid to do something that costs you money.
>
> Nope, it's being honest.

Yes, MS is a poor company and all their employees would starve if you didn't buy it. So actually.... you'd be better pirating windows and sending $200 to a worthwhile charity. Why don't you do this? Why don't you save someone's life?

>>>>> Most people who assemble their own computers are buying resold product keys
>>>>> from a third party, but I wouldn't be comfortable with that, even
>>>>> though it's so cheap.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently that's a bit naughty - the place I bought 100 of those from (for building machines for others) was told by Microsoft to "please stop doing that".
>>>
>>> Good point, apparently I was right not to go that route.
>>
>> Since the shop was not charged, it was just MS throwing it's weight around.
>
> Sure, but I'd still rather avoid such a scene.

Wimp.

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On Thu, 12 May 2022 14:08:57 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> But you have nothing concrete. What do you do when it fucks up?
>>>>>
>>>>> I downloaded the Win10 installer to a USB drive, genius. I didn't
>>>>> need Microsoft or Newegg to ship me that or a DVD-ROM. All I'd need
>>>>> to do, if my SSD dies, is replace the drive, and boot the USB of Win11
>>>>> 21H2, and install.
>>>>
>>>> What evidence do you have that you bought it?
>>>
>>> Uh, the key, but I actually wouldn't even need to enter it, because
>>> I've already activated this machine with it.
>>
>> Anyone can have a key, you could have got that from a naughty website.
>
> Of course, more power to people who do it that way, but I like the
> fact that my key is private info between Microsoft and myself. They
> recognize me as the one who bought it, and is using it with the same
> Microsoft account. It's peace of mind.

ROFL, I know someone who successfully sued a small computer store for selling him a Windows 10 computer which "forced him" to open a Microsoft account to log in. He got the computer free and believe the same amount (well over a grand) as compensation. No he wasn't American. Yes, he was Jewish. I asked him why he didn't sue MS and he declined to answer.

As for peace of mind, I know my 7 computers will continue to run Windows 11 with no key forever. I trust pirates more than I trust MS. And you I suppose would have just shelled out $1400 just for some operating systems.

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On Thu, 12 May 2022 14:31:17 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> I was wrong in thinking it would be OK to install one copy on two
>>>>> computers. I have not been unclear about that. I learned from it.
>>>>
>>>> You don't need to learn stealing is wrong. I don't care if I steal. A lot of people say it's wrong. But you don't make any sense. You once did it and now you don't. Are you a bad guy or not? And don't give me the I saw god and changed my ways bullshit.
>>>
>>> At the time I attempted to do this, I didn't think of it as stealing
>>> or piracy - I was wrong. I admitted that multiple times. I don't
>>> know why you aren't hearing that.
>>
>> Same reason you didn't? Practise what you preach you crazy religious nut.
>
> That was 20 years ago, man. I did pay for Windows multiple times,
> since then. You haven't.

So did you change since you saw Jesus?

>>>>>> And also admit that you're rubbish at piracy because you didn't get away with it and I did.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, yes, I definitely admit being bad at piracy, because I don't trust
>>>>> warez. Casual copying isn't quite the same thing, but I also haven't
>>>>> done that in a long time. But as far as thinking that using warez is
>>>>> somehow clever, I don't, I think it's risky at best.
>>>>
>>>> It's never caused me any harm, so clearly you did it wrong.
>>>
>>> No, I simply didn't do it *at all*. Downloading software in that
>>> manner is *unsafe*. You have no idea what could be embedded in it.
>>
>> I know exactly what's in it, there are things called virus checkers.
>
> Is that 100% reliable?

Enough.

>>>>> But this is the point: Microsoft *does* know you pirated it. They're
>>>>> tolerating it, but you can't claim to have somehow fooled them.
>>>>
>>>> In MS's case perhaps, as their theory is to get people using pirated Windows at home and like it, then want to use it at work where they do enforce licensing.... But game and film manufacturers do not tolerate piracy in any way whatsoever. But they can't stop it.
>>>
>>> That's an entirely different issue, though - media piracy doesn't have
>>> *control of your computer*. Software, *especially* an operating
>>> system, does.
>>
>> You claim this, yet it's never happened. Probably because two wrongs don't make a right. In civilised countries (that's anywhere except the US), if you broke into my house and I killed you, I would be in the wrong too. In fact you'd be in trouble for breaking and entering, and I'd be in trouble for murder. So MS won't do that.
>
> They want software pirates to use their products, but that could
> always change. You have no guarantee of anything.

I know they won't do anything illegal against me.

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On Thu, 12 May 2022 14:14:12 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Anyone who's assembled a computer knows that
>>>>> replacing a power supply is the most annoying task. I overbought my
>>>>> Corsair power supply, because I am 99% sure it will outlive my use of
>>>>> the machine, as the high end power supply in my old computer did.
>>>>
>>>> No, the MB is the most annoying as it's under everything else.
>>>
>>> Yeah - but how often do you replace a fucking motherboard?
>>
>> Quite often, being physically large they are very susceptible to heat causing flexing damage.
>
> I have yet to fry a motherboard, but OK.

They wear out if you thrash them. CPUs never break.

>>> That's not even a replacement, really, but starting from the beginning.
>>
>> WTF? Get the same model and the computer won't even notice. Get a different one and you have to stick on a few drivers, which it will probably do itself anyway.
>>
>>> When you self-build a computer, the motherboard's manufacturer basically is
>>> your OEM, for all intents and purposes.
>>
>> What the hell are you talking about? A computer is more than a motherboard.
>
> I know that, but if I look at my Microsoft account, it shows this
> machine as the brand name of the manufacturer of the motherboard. It's
> what identifies a self-built machine.

Only in MS's eyes. Now consider your wallet. What percentage of the cost of the computer was the MB?

Would you really give up on a machine if the MB was the bottleneck in speed? Or would you keep all other components and change the MB, just as you would add more RAM, upgrade the disk, put in a faster processor or graphics card?

>>> Whereas a power supply, when you buy an inferior one, may be replaced more routinely.
>>
>> You're obviously not very good with your hands.
>
> I'm OK with my hands, that really isn't relevant. It's annoying to
> assemble a computer, but not difficult enough that it isn't worth
> doing, to get a better machine for the money. Even including the $200
> I spent on Windows, I got a far superior box to what I'd get from
> Dell.

I think you got yourself mixed up in all those negatives. You wrote:
"but not difficult enough that it isn't worth doing, to get a better machine for the money" - completely unintelligible.
We can cancel out "not" and "difficult" to get easy, so it's sort of understandable.
"but easy enough that it isn't worth doing, to get a better machine for the money"
So since it's easy to assemble a computer, you don't think you should assemble it yourself for a better machine for the money?

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On Thu, 12 May 2022 15:19:03 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>> I'm OK with my hands, that really isn't relevant. It's annoying to
>>> assemble a computer, but not difficult enough that it isn't worth
>>> doing, to get a better machine for the money. Even including the $200
>>> I spent on Windows, I got a far superior box to what I'd get from
>>> Dell.
>>
>> I find building a computer to be an enjoyable exercise, not annoying at all.
>>
>> :-)
>
> I certainly enjoyed picking out the parts, and installing Win10. The
> assembly itself was annoying, but absolutely worth it.

I find that just as fun. Creating something of beauty, and deciding on cooling directions, and making the cabling tidy, so fucking stupidly designed fans without any fucking guards on them don't get jammed up etc. Even worse, I just had a graphics card shut off the machine entirely. As though I'd pulled the plug. The cause? The label on the fan was steel. It became unstuck, flew off the fan, into the blades, and jammed it. The graphics card overheated, and shut off. Not thermally throttled, just shut off the whole machine.

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On Thu, 12 May 2022 15:27:50 +0100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On 5/12/2022 9:45 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>
>> I find building a computer to be an enjoyable exercise, not annoying at all.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Rene
>
> These days, I recommend one with the "BIOS flash updater" button
> on the back. To get my Ryzen running, I had to flash up. It took
> me a half-dozen tries, before the LED came on indicating it
> was interested :-)
>
> When I first fired up, ye olde screen remained black. And
> I said to myself "you know, I'm feeling like I have a
> sudden need to flash a BIOS". And that's all it was.
> You need the right file system on the USB stick,
> plus the exactly right filename.

Eh? Insert stick with downloaded BIOS, enter BIOS, select flash update and tell it where the file is, let it do it. Child's play.

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On Fri, 13 May 2022 15:16:57 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

> On 2022-05-11 12:13 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 07:59:26 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-05-10 8:25 p.m., Joel wrote:
>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> however, I didn't buy my retail
>>>>>> key [instead of an OEM copy] with any chance I'd use the tech support, I simply found it easier
>>>>>> to buy, I had the money.
>>>>>
>>>>> How is it easier? You click on the one you want.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I got my key *instantly*, entirely online, not having a worthless
>>>> DVD-ROM shipped to me. I couldn't care less, about the money I
>>>> would've saved, by getting the cheaper OEM copy.
>>>
>>> I was able to get Office 2021 Pro Plus for $50 a few days ago by opting
>>> for the "send me the key" approach as well. It's a legitimate copy too.
>>
>>
>> Is that *Microsoft* Office or some other product? If it's Microsoft
>> Office, where did you get it and how do you know it's legitimate?
>
> It's legitimate because it's tied to my Microsoft account and I can
> reinstall from the accounts page on microsoft.com.
>
> As for where I got it, it was one of the deals on BleepingComputer.com.
> Every so often, they have such stuff including lifetime subscriptions to
> VPNs and stuff of the sort.

And you trust someone called "bleeping computer"? If you want to be sure your license is real, you should buy it from MS and MS only.

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 by: Ken Blake - Fri, 13 May 2022 23:15 UTC

On Fri, 13 May 2022 21:17:41 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 08:04:07, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote
>(my responses usually FOLLOW):
>[]
>>I have no personal favorite. In fact I'm against the idea of Office
>>Suites. In my opinion, it's best to choose the program you like best
>>in each category, without regard to what suite it's in.
>
>I tend to agree, for such different prog.s; as well as everything else,
>it also encourages people to think "grid" means "spreadsheet", so when
>they want a grid/table in their Word document, they use Excel.
>>
>>My favorite word processor is WordPerfect, my favorite spreadsheet
>>program is Excel, my favorite e-mail client is Thunderbird.
>>
>>The same goes for non-office programs My favorite e-mail client is
>>Thunderbird, but my favorite newsreader is Agent. I'm against the idea
>>of bundling programs of any type together.
>
>Each to his own; I like having the same prog. For news and mail, as they
>have similar requirements (quoted text etc.), and I don't have to
>remember which I'm using and how it does things differently from how the
>other one does;

Yes, yours is a common point of view. As I said, it's not mine.

>and the main disadvantage usually quoted - that of
>accidentally sending an email where a post was intended, or vice versa -
>I don't tend to do (well under one a year; I think less than 5 times in
>about 30 years, but can't remember for sure). Conversely, if I _want_ to
>send a private email reply to a newsgroup poster, it's easy.
>
>But I wouldn't try to force my view on anyone; above is/are just my
>explanation of why _I_ like the way I have.
>
>(As to the question of what's improved in recent Office suites and
>someone's reply that comparing 12 year old to current isn't very valid,
>I disagree: I use by default Word 2003, and have seen very little reason
>to change [I have the converters].

For word processor in particular, the opportunity for real
improvements ran out years ago. There very little difference between
versions, for WordPerfect as well as for Word.

> But again, I wouldn't force my choice
>on anyone - though am _interested_ in what the purported advantages
>might be.)

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Fri, 13 May 2022 23:24 UTC

On Fri, 13 May 2022 15:38:38 +0100, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

> On 5/13/2022 10:30 AM, rabidR04CH wrote:
>> On 2022-05-11 1:25 p.m., Bill wrote:
>>> On 5/11/2022 7:59 AM, rabidR04CH wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was able to get Office 2021 Pro Plus for $50 a few days ago by
>>>> opting for the "send me the key" approach as well. It's a legitimate
>>>> copy too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Just curious. I'm still using Office 2010. What stands out in the
>>> newer version that might make it worth an upgrade?
>>
>> Friend, whether you use 2010, 2003, 97 or 6.0, I don't care. I'm not
>> trying to sell you a product.
>>
>
> I wasn't asking you to sell me a product. I just inquired what they have
> done to it in 10 years that makes it any better. If you don't know, or
> don't wish to reply for any reason, please don't feel any sense of
> obligation. I wasn't really asking you in particular anyway, I was just
> putting the question out there for anyone who may wish to answer. Cheers!

More bugs obviously.

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Fri, 13 May 2022 23:24 UTC

On Fri, 13 May 2022 15:13:55 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

> On 2022-05-11 8:07 a.m., Joel wrote:
>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>
>>> I was able to get Office 2021 Pro Plus for $50 a few days ago by opting
>>> for the "send me the key" approach as well. It's a legitimate copy too.
>>
>>
>> Interesting, is that different from the subscription to Office they're
>> promoting now? It sounds like it'd have all the same apps, although I
>> guess you don't automatically get new versions that way.
>>
>
> It's not 365 so the applications will stop updating after a while but
> it's still Office 2021 and if you don't care about the latest features,
> you're good. I could have just used the 365 I get from work for free but
> I don't like the fact that it installs my work OneDrive onto my personal
> computer so I would rather have my own license and use it as I wish.

I've got 365 for free too.

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Fri, 13 May 2022 23:25 UTC

On Fri, 13 May 2022 16:04:07 +0100, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 13 May 2022 10:18:43 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I was able to get Office 2021 Pro Plus for $50 a few days ago by opting
>>>>> for the "send me the key" approach as well. It's a legitimate copy too.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting, is that different from the subscription to Office they're
>>>> promoting now? It sounds like it'd have all the same apps, although I
>>>> guess you don't automatically get new versions that way.
>>>
>>> It's not 365 so the applications will stop updating after a while but
>>> it's still Office 2021 and if you don't care about the latest features,
>>> you're good. I could have just used the 365 I get from work for free but
>>> I don't like the fact that it installs my work OneDrive onto my personal
>>> computer so I would rather have my own license and use it as I wish.
>>
>>
>> Quite interesting. My personal preference is LibreOffice, but I could
>> certainly understand why you purchased this deal.
>
> I have no personal favorite. In fact I'm against the idea of Office
> Suites. In my opinion, it's best to choose the program you like best
> in each category, without regard to what suite it's in.

Not when you want to use a spreadsheet for a graph in a word processor. They all belong together.

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Fri, 13 May 2022 23:26 UTC

On Fri, 13 May 2022 16:10:32 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 May 2022 10:18:43 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's not 365 so the applications will stop updating after a while but
>>>> it's still Office 2021 and if you don't care about the latest features,
>>>> you're good. I could have just used the 365 I get from work for free but
>>>> I don't like the fact that it installs my work OneDrive onto my personal
>>>> computer so I would rather have my own license and use it as I wish.
>>>
>>> Quite interesting. My personal preference is LibreOffice, but I could
>>> certainly understand why you purchased this deal.
>>
>> I have no personal favorite. In fact I'm against the idea of Office
>> Suites. In my opinion, it's best to choose the program you like best
>> in each category, without regard to what suite it's in.
>>
>> My favorite word processor is WordPerfect, my favorite spreadsheet
>> program is Excel, my favorite e-mail client is Thunderbird.
>>
>> The same goes for non-office programs My favorite e-mail client is
>> Thunderbird, but my favorite newsreader is Agent. I'm against the idea
>> of bundling programs of any type together.
>
> Indeed, I pick and choose the best apps for the right purposes. I
> have to say, I am ecstatic with how Win11 has come along, with
> StartAllBack, it's the latest and greatest.

You just contradicted yourself. The simple fact we want an addon program to repair the mess they made of the basic interface speaks volumes about how shit MS is. It worked! then they broke it! That's worse than never having it work in the first place!

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 by: rabidR04CH - Sat, 14 May 2022 02:08 UTC

On 2022-05-13 7:15 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
> On Fri, 13 May 2022 21:17:41 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 08:04:07, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote
>> (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>> []
>>> I have no personal favorite. In fact I'm against the idea of Office
>>> Suites. In my opinion, it's best to choose the program you like best
>>> in each category, without regard to what suite it's in.
>>
>> I tend to agree, for such different prog.s; as well as everything else,
>> it also encourages people to think "grid" means "spreadsheet", so when
>> they want a grid/table in their Word document, they use Excel.
>>>
>>> My favorite word processor is WordPerfect, my favorite spreadsheet
>>> program is Excel, my favorite e-mail client is Thunderbird.
>>>
>>> The same goes for non-office programs My favorite e-mail client is
>>> Thunderbird, but my favorite newsreader is Agent. I'm against the idea
>>> of bundling programs of any type together.
>>
>> Each to his own; I like having the same prog. For news and mail, as they
>> have similar requirements (quoted text etc.), and I don't have to
>> remember which I'm using and how it does things differently from how the
>> other one does;
>
> Yes, yours is a common point of view. As I said, it's not mine.
>
>
> >and the main disadvantage usually quoted - that of
>> accidentally sending an email where a post was intended, or vice versa -
>> I don't tend to do (well under one a year; I think less than 5 times in
>> about 30 years, but can't remember for sure). Conversely, if I _want_ to
>> send a private email reply to a newsgroup poster, it's easy.
>>
>> But I wouldn't try to force my view on anyone; above is/are just my
>> explanation of why _I_ like the way I have.
>>
>> (As to the question of what's improved in recent Office suites and
>> someone's reply that comparing 12 year old to current isn't very valid,
>> I disagree: I use by default Word 2003, and have seen very little reason
>> to change [I have the converters].
>
> For word processor in particular, the opportunity for real
> improvements ran out years ago. There very little difference between
> versions, for WordPerfect as well as for Word.

I don't disagree. Whatever improvements the software companies make now
will most likely have more to do with collaboration and conferencing
than with things a solo worker would actually need.

--
rabidR04CH
Encrypt. Avoid social media. Stay sane.
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Windows 11
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 by: Bill - Sat, 14 May 2022 02:12 UTC

On 5/13/2022 10:08 PM, rabidR04CH wrote:
> On 2022-05-13 7:15 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 May 2022 21:17:41 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 08:04:07, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote
>>> (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>> []
>>>> I have no personal favorite. In fact I'm against the idea of Office
>>>> Suites. In my opinion, it's best to choose the program you like best
>>>> in each category, without regard to what suite it's in.
>>>
>>> I tend to agree, for such different prog.s; as well as everything else,
>>> it also encourages people to think "grid" means "spreadsheet", so when
>>> they want a grid/table in their Word document, they use Excel.
>>>>
>>>> My favorite word processor is WordPerfect, my favorite spreadsheet
>>>> program is Excel, my favorite e-mail client is Thunderbird.
>>>>
>>>> The same goes for non-office programs My favorite e-mail client is
>>>> Thunderbird, but my favorite newsreader is Agent. I'm against the idea
>>>> of bundling programs of any type together.
>>>
>>> Each to his own; I like having the same prog. For news and mail, as they
>>> have similar requirements (quoted text etc.), and I don't have to
>>> remember which I'm using and how it does things differently from how the
>>> other one does;
>>
>> Yes, yours is a common point of view. As I said, it's not mine.
>>
>>
>>   >and the main disadvantage usually quoted - that of
>>> accidentally sending an email where a post was intended, or vice versa -
>>> I don't tend to do (well under one a year; I think less than 5 times in
>>> about 30 years, but can't remember for sure). Conversely, if I _want_ to
>>> send a private email reply to a newsgroup poster, it's easy.
>>>
>>> But I wouldn't try to force my view on anyone; above is/are just my
>>> explanation of why _I_ like the way I have.
>>>
>>> (As to the question of what's improved in recent Office suites and
>>> someone's reply that comparing 12 year old to current isn't very valid,
>>> I disagree: I use by default Word 2003, and have seen very little reason
>>> to change [I have the converters].
>>
>> For word processor in particular, the opportunity for real
>> improvements ran out years ago. There very little difference between
>> versions, for WordPerfect as well as for Word.
>
> I don't disagree. Whatever improvements the software companies make now
> will most likely have more to do with collaboration and conferencing
> than with things a solo worker would actually need.
>

From this I conclude that $23 for a USB DVD Drive is a good investment
for a new computer.

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On Sat, 14 May 2022 03:08:15 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

> On 2022-05-13 7:15 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 May 2022 21:17:41 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 08:04:07, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote
>>> (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>> []
>>>> I have no personal favorite. In fact I'm against the idea of Office
>>>> Suites. In my opinion, it's best to choose the program you like best
>>>> in each category, without regard to what suite it's in.
>>>
>>> I tend to agree, for such different prog.s; as well as everything else,
>>> it also encourages people to think "grid" means "spreadsheet", so when
>>> they want a grid/table in their Word document, they use Excel.
>>>>
>>>> My favorite word processor is WordPerfect, my favorite spreadsheet
>>>> program is Excel, my favorite e-mail client is Thunderbird.
>>>>
>>>> The same goes for non-office programs My favorite e-mail client is
>>>> Thunderbird, but my favorite newsreader is Agent. I'm against the idea
>>>> of bundling programs of any type together.
>>>
>>> Each to his own; I like having the same prog. For news and mail, as they
>>> have similar requirements (quoted text etc.), and I don't have to
>>> remember which I'm using and how it does things differently from how the
>>> other one does;
>>
>> Yes, yours is a common point of view. As I said, it's not mine.
>>
>>
>> >and the main disadvantage usually quoted - that of
>>> accidentally sending an email where a post was intended, or vice versa -
>>> I don't tend to do (well under one a year; I think less than 5 times in
>>> about 30 years, but can't remember for sure). Conversely, if I _want_ to
>>> send a private email reply to a newsgroup poster, it's easy.
>>>
>>> But I wouldn't try to force my view on anyone; above is/are just my
>>> explanation of why _I_ like the way I have.
>>>
>>> (As to the question of what's improved in recent Office suites and
>>> someone's reply that comparing 12 year old to current isn't very valid,
>>> I disagree: I use by default Word 2003, and have seen very little reason
>>> to change [I have the converters].
>>
>> For word processor in particular, the opportunity for real
>> improvements ran out years ago. There very little difference between
>> versions, for WordPerfect as well as for Word.
>
> I don't disagree.

Who in their right mind would say "I don't disagree". It's "I agree". FFS. I'm not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not going to the pub tonight.

> Whatever improvements the software companies make now
> will most likely have more to do with collaboration and conferencing
> than with things a solo worker would actually need.

No, they'll be things to make it "easier" to use, which most people will find immensely annoying. Much like every single revision to the Windows 11 interface.

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On Sat, 14 May 2022 03:12:38 +0100, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

> On 5/13/2022 10:08 PM, rabidR04CH wrote:
>> On 2022-05-13 7:15 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Fri, 13 May 2022 21:17:41 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 08:04:07, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote
>>>> (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>>> []
>>>>> I have no personal favorite. In fact I'm against the idea of Office
>>>>> Suites. In my opinion, it's best to choose the program you like best
>>>>> in each category, without regard to what suite it's in.
>>>>
>>>> I tend to agree, for such different prog.s; as well as everything else,
>>>> it also encourages people to think "grid" means "spreadsheet", so when
>>>> they want a grid/table in their Word document, they use Excel.
>>>>>
>>>>> My favorite word processor is WordPerfect, my favorite spreadsheet
>>>>> program is Excel, my favorite e-mail client is Thunderbird.
>>>>>
>>>>> The same goes for non-office programs My favorite e-mail client is
>>>>> Thunderbird, but my favorite newsreader is Agent. I'm against the idea
>>>>> of bundling programs of any type together.
>>>>
>>>> Each to his own; I like having the same prog. For news and mail, as they
>>>> have similar requirements (quoted text etc.), and I don't have to
>>>> remember which I'm using and how it does things differently from how the
>>>> other one does;
>>>
>>> Yes, yours is a common point of view. As I said, it's not mine.
>>>
>>>
>>> >and the main disadvantage usually quoted - that of
>>>> accidentally sending an email where a post was intended, or vice versa -
>>>> I don't tend to do (well under one a year; I think less than 5 times in
>>>> about 30 years, but can't remember for sure). Conversely, if I _want_ to
>>>> send a private email reply to a newsgroup poster, it's easy.
>>>>
>>>> But I wouldn't try to force my view on anyone; above is/are just my
>>>> explanation of why _I_ like the way I have.
>>>>
>>>> (As to the question of what's improved in recent Office suites and
>>>> someone's reply that comparing 12 year old to current isn't very valid,
>>>> I disagree: I use by default Word 2003, and have seen very little reason
>>>> to change [I have the converters].
>>>
>>> For word processor in particular, the opportunity for real
>>> improvements ran out years ago. There very little difference between
>>> versions, for WordPerfect as well as for Word.
>>
>> I don't disagree. Whatever improvements the software companies make now
>> will most likely have more to do with collaboration and conferencing
>> than with things a solo worker would actually need.
>
> From this I conclude that $23 for a USB DVD Drive is a good investment
> for a new computer.

And I conclude Cheddar tastes better than Wensledale.

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On 2022-05-13 10:12 p.m., Bill wrote:
> On 5/13/2022 10:08 PM, rabidR04CH wrote:
>> On 2022-05-13 7:15 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Fri, 13 May 2022 21:17:41 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 08:04:07, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote
>>>> (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>>> []
>>>>> I have no personal favorite. In fact I'm against the idea of Office
>>>>> Suites. In my opinion, it's best to choose the program you like best
>>>>> in each category, without regard to what suite it's in.
>>>>
>>>> I tend to agree, for such different prog.s; as well as everything else,
>>>> it also encourages people to think "grid" means "spreadsheet", so when
>>>> they want a grid/table in their Word document, they use Excel.
>>>>>
>>>>> My favorite word processor is WordPerfect, my favorite spreadsheet
>>>>> program is Excel, my favorite e-mail client is Thunderbird.
>>>>>
>>>>> The same goes for non-office programs My favorite e-mail client is
>>>>> Thunderbird, but my favorite newsreader is Agent. I'm against the idea
>>>>> of bundling programs of any type together.
>>>>
>>>> Each to his own; I like having the same prog. For news and mail, as
>>>> they
>>>> have similar requirements (quoted text etc.), and I don't have to
>>>> remember which I'm using and how it does things differently from how
>>>> the
>>>> other one does;
>>>
>>> Yes, yours is a common point of view. As I said, it's not mine.
>>>
>>>
>>>   >and the main disadvantage usually quoted - that of
>>>> accidentally sending an email where a post was intended, or vice
>>>> versa -
>>>> I don't tend to do (well under one a year; I think less than 5 times in
>>>> about 30 years, but can't remember for sure). Conversely, if I
>>>> _want_ to
>>>> send a private email reply to a newsgroup poster, it's easy.
>>>>
>>>> But I wouldn't try to force my view on anyone; above is/are just my
>>>> explanation of why _I_ like the way I have.
>>>>
>>>> (As to the question of what's improved in recent Office suites and
>>>> someone's reply that comparing 12 year old to current isn't very valid,
>>>> I disagree: I use by default Word 2003, and have seen very little
>>>> reason
>>>> to change [I have the converters].
>>>
>>> For word processor in particular, the opportunity for real
>>> improvements ran out years ago. There very little difference between
>>> versions, for WordPerfect as well as for Word.
>>
>> I don't disagree. Whatever improvements the software companies make
>> now will most likely have more to do with collaboration and
>> conferencing than with things a solo worker would actually need.
>>
>
> From this I conclude that $23 for a USB DVD Drive is a good investment
> for a new computer.

How the heck did you come to that conclusion based on what I said?

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