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* (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Andy Burnelli
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| `* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Zaghadka
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|  | `* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Andy Burnelli
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|  |   +* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Andy Burnelli
|  |   |`- Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Andy Burnelli
|  |   +* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Chris
|  |   |`- Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Andy Burnelli
|  |   `- Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Carlos E.R.
|  `* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Carlos E.R.
|   +* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?sms
|   |`* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Ken Blake
|   | `- Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Carlos E.R.
|   +* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Joerg Lorenz
|   |`* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?nospam
|   | `* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Andy Burnelli
|   |  `- Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Jolly Roger
|   +* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Your Name
|   |`- Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Rod Speed
|   `* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Andy Burnelli
|    +* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?nospam
|    |`* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Andy Burnelli
|    | +* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?nospam
|    | |`- Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Andy Burnelli
|    | `- Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Rod Speed
|    +* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Carlos E.R.
|    |`* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?sms
|    | `* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Andy Burnelli
|    |  `* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Carlos E.R.
|    |   +- Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Andy Burnelli
|    |   `* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Rod Speed
|    |    `* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Carlos E.R.
|    |     +- Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Andy Burnelli
|    |     +- Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Rod Speed
|    |     +- Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Alan Browne
|    |     `* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Chris
|    |      `* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Andy Burnelli
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|    |       `- Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Alan
|    +- Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Rod Speed
|    `* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Jolly Roger
|     `- Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Andy Burnelli
+* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Bob Campbell
|`- Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Andy Burnelli
+- Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Andy Burnelli
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  |    `* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Carlos E.R.
  |     `* Re: (OT) What makes some people iKooks anyway?Andy Burnelli
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 17:35 UTC

It's not really OT because the iKooks infest any thread whose topic tells
the truth about Apple products; this is an astute observation nonetheless.

What makes some people iKooks anyway?

Observation:
1. None of them have any education (some, like JR, not even high school).
2. In addition, they're all ignorant (some, like Joerg, incredibly stupid).
3. What makes an iKook is they defend Apple to the death (no matter what).

You have to realize a few traits that are Apple centric given the above.
A. The iKooks derive most of their self esteem from buying Apple products
B. Apple brilliantly feeds them that self esteem via clever marketing
C. The iKooks often gloat that Apple's profits are so incredibly high

As a result:
a. The iKooks outright deny all facts about Apple they simply don't like
b. Most iKooks will brazenly fabricate functionality that doesn't even exist
c. So that they can feel better about their choice to buy Apple products

Intelligent conversation:

For decades, there have always been these iKooks making outrageous fact-free
claims, but what most people don't seem to realize is that it is NOT because
Apple products are different from all the rest (although that's true).

NOTE: Linux & Windows has their proponents, but nobody is an iKook there.

The above observations are why, but summarized it's FUNDAMENTALLY simple:
*All iKooks get the bulk of their self esteem from Apple MARKETING claims*

It's why iKooks exalt over ads like "TSMC-Silicon!", whereas you'll never
hear normal people shout out with glee about "Intel Inside" ad slogans.
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Apple never tells the actual truth until forced to by a court of law.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 17:41 UTC

Andy Burnelli wrote:

> C. The iKooks often gloat that Apple's profits are so incredibly high

OBSERVATON:

I forgot to mention iKooks gloat about profits because they're incredibly
stupid and they derive most of their self esteem from Apple's success.

Yet, they're incredibly stupid because they "think" that Apple's profits are
huge due to Apple making such great products (which do sound wonderful in
all the glossy advertisements which never tell you of the crippling flaws).

The bluntly astute rather well-educated observation is no company can make
those (admittedly ungodly) high profits off an intelligent customer base.
--
Apple has the _lowest_ R&D & yet the highest MARKETING in all of high tech.

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 by: Zaghadka - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:16 UTC

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 17:35:09 +0000, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Andy
Burnelli wrote:

>It's not really OT because the iKooks infest any thread whose topic tells
>the truth about Apple products; this is an astute observation nonetheless.
>
>What makes some people iKooks anyway?
>
Arlen, why the hell did you nym shift anyway? I actually enjoy your posts
and had to put on another watch filter for you.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 19:34 UTC

Zaghadka wrote:

> Arlen, why the hell did you nym shift anyway? I actually enjoy your posts
> and had to put on another watch filter for you.

Zaghadka,

May I be candid with you?
1. Either apologize to me for you being incredibly against privacy, or
2. Plonk me if you don't think I always strive to provide unique value.
3. But don't reply to my posts implying that you are an utter genius.

Just don't.
It's insulting to me I have to stoop all the way down to your level.
Where you have all the experience; so this is my LAST response to you here.

People like you frustrate me because you're too stupid to learn anything.
I'm extremely well educated, and, having worked at Silicon Valley startups
for decades, I hang around extremely smart people - clearly unlike you do.

People like you wouldn't last a single week in grad school.
You're too stupid to last even a single day at a high-tech startup, Zag.

I _know_ you're completely uneducated & stupid by what you just wrote.
I'm of at least average intelligence and yet - you clearly are not.

What you just did is what all the fantastically stupid morons always do.
*You proclaim you're a genius for having figured out what was never hidden*

Besides, why do you deplore privacy?
More importantly, why do you enjoy the wrapping paper & not the gift inside?

I consider people like you to be idiots, but allow me to explain why.
a. I am well versed in Usenet & I know that robotic bots _do_ exist.
b. I post with inherent value even as I decry the iKooks who don't.
c. I am not hiding from _you_ (which is why I call you an idiot).

I'm blunt.
You never have to waste time wondering what I think of you.
*If it takes you more than seconds to figure out my posts, you're an idiot*

People like you:
A. Actually believe the value of a gift is in the meaningless wrapping paper
B. Which is proven by the fact all their post are about the wrapping paper
C. Even as the only line in the wrapping that has meaning is the SUBJECT

Worse, really, which proves people like you are utter idiots, is...
1. I change the headers randomly (roughtly about once a year or so).
2. For privacy reason (to hide from aggregators - but not from people).
3. I post the _same_ screenshots, same words, same attention to detail, etc.

*Those who claim they "figured it out" after a thousand posts, are idiots*.
Even if my text wasn't hiding who I am, my screenshots certainly are not!
<https://i.postimg.cc/D0J1tgDZ/windows-tweak.jpg >

Given how well I organize my computers, who else posts hundreds of
screenshots of Windows computers that are the _same_ from 95 to xp to win10?
<https://i.postimg.cc/26F7CZ7V/microsoft-browsers02.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/Mpwvz1pF/browser09.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/L8w5Cxmr/memtest01.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/hhFVQGJS/app07.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/9FHWs4p1/taskbarmenu04.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/CKxdSyG9/page02.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y00X4TFS/audacity02.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/xdCrfS1h/hexedit01.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/VNJjDnCL/whocrashed01.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/JzK4vZDW/whocrashed02.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/4xTjbs2m/whocrashed03.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/hv1dPFmX/whocrashed04.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/hGrL20ZK/dsclock04.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/RZJGLwY8/usbview03.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/2yRqYZK5/firewall02.jpg>
etc.

For God's sake, how _stupid_ must you be to not see what isn't hidden?
For two decades, those screenshots have been exactly the _same_ style.

Even the obvious *naming conventions* have never changed in decades!
<https://i.postimg.cc/mrrtLPrg/lenovo06.jpg>

Who else ever posted menus of Windows XP that _match_ that of Windows 10?
<https://i.postimg.cc/HnPZkDDv/wiinxp-win10-menu01.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/nz3T3bzV/winxp-win10-menu02.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/6pZjtmHz/winxp-win10-menu03.jpg>
Those actual menu files (yes, the files!) copy over & work on Windows 10!

And who else posts thousands of screenshots of Android phones like this?
<https://i.postimg.cc/CMmSsgtN/maps01.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/vZmTvPZx/maps02.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/2y2zKzwB/maps03.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/NfsF7n4H/maps04.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/FFYqg9Dv/maps05.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/Bvh6mMxc/maps06.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/pLFpXfMP/maps07.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/25v3FT6S/debug-on-android.jpg>

And who even posts scores of screenshots of iOS devices set up like this?
<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg>

On and on, who post detailed screenshots of Linux, like I do like this?
(BTW, who else seamlessly ties Apple crap to Windows & Linux like I do?)
<https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/g269S8rT/files13.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/pVJf72fN/files12.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/cChf8mx1/files11.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/3xcCBngd/files08.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/KjK4nHwf/files07.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/Jhmy9KH7/files06.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/qqg61Rh8/files05.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/QMk7tvZW/files04.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/d3SGkdgr/files03.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/L8b18Zmx/files02.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/NFkXsJ0X/files01.jpg>

On and on, who posts detailed screenshots of wifi to electronics groups?
<https://i.postimg.cc/tCxLW2ZN/align01.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/FRqR6DSq/android-wifi-analyzer.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/DZccY2YD/decibels.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/Gh22Sb2N/desktop.jpg>

And would I be posting pictures of my own _home_ to home-repair groups?
<https://i.postimg.cc/0NYJn7mF/nanobridge-nanobeam.jpg>

For Christ's sake Zaghadka... ignorant people like you are irk me to no end.

Assuming you're not actually a moron, Zaghadka... ask yourself this please:
*If I was hiding from you - would I be posting those same screenshots?*

HINT: The gift is in the body of the message; not in the meaningless header.
If you are too stupid to recognize that fact, then you should plonk me now.
Becase I'm not going to stop providing value even if the wrapping changes.
--
The only meaningful header line is the SUBJECT line, which you should know.

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 by: Zaghadka - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 20:35 UTC

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 19:34:12 +0000, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Andy
Burnelli wrote:

>Zaghadka wrote:
>
>> Arlen, why the hell did you nym shift anyway? I actually enjoy your posts
>> and had to put on another watch filter for you.
>
>Zaghadka,
>
>May I be candid with you?
>1. Either apologize to me for you being incredibly against privacy, or
>2. Plonk me if you don't think I always strive to provide unique value.
>3. But don't reply to my posts implying that you are an utter genius.

First off, I'm sorry. I didn't intend to offend you with my comment, and
your privacy concerns frankly didn't even occur to me. See part two.

Two: You aren't protecting your privacy by doing this. It's obvious it's
you. I'm not Sherlock Holmes.

So I am genuinely curious.

Did you get stalked/attacked? If you don't wish to share, it's
understood.

I didn't need the volume of information you just presented, and I'm sorry
if what I did was a threat to your privacy. I didn't feel you were hiding
from me.

I will not mention your name again in the interests of your request.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:43 UTC

Zaghadka wrote:

> Did you get stalked/attacked? If you don't wish to share, it's
> understood.

How are you _not_ aware of the serious death threats against me, Zaghadka?

One of the iKooks even provided his _real_ email address solitictating them.
I reported it to the FBI and they seemed to take it more seriously than you.

I consider death threats against me very serious indeed, and that's only the
start of it (even nospam issued a death threat but he later recanted it).
*Facts: Adults need to read this threat thread by "Rod Speed" today*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/8ae5w37EK9k/m/F9AIrZolBgAJ>

Before you claim you didn't see it, I posted it to all the ngs I frequent,
where I changed the headers the instant I reported the threats to the FBI.

I also reported nospam's death threats but the FBI said they weren't as
credible as those above which provided credible & real contact information.

Even without the death threats from the iKooks (simply for having been
proven wrong, mind you), I've always advocated privacy on the Internet.

How could you possibly _miss_ that I care about privacy for the common man?

> I didn't need the volume of information you just presented, and I'm sorry
> if what I did was a threat to your privacy. I didn't feel you were hiding
> from me.

You completely misunderstood my post, even _with_ the volume of details.
Let me put it bluntly, again, so that you can understand basic logic.
a. I'm not hiding from _you_ (else I wouldn't post the same screenshots!)
b. I want privacy from the bots that can and do harvest headers.

BTW, almost everytyhing I post, from my many tutorials to my threads cover
a. Tools & techniques for privacy
b. Tools & techniques for cross platform functionality & organization
c. Tutorials to help others gain privacy or cross-platform functionality

For example, how many tutorials have _you_ written Zaghadka versus me?
ANd how many tutorials have the iKooks (in toto) written.

Exact same number of tutorials for you & all the iKooks combined, right?
Just one tutorial of mine alone dwarfs the entire iKook output in a year.

> I will not mention your name again in the interests of your request.

I accept your apology but you still don't comprehend why what you posted
irked me to no end (because it's what the ignorant iKooks always do).

If it takes you more than a few seconds to figure out my posts, then you
have no right to claim you're a fantastic genius for having finally done so.

That's what the ignorant uneducated rather low IQ Apple adoring Kooks do.
nospam, Joerg Lorenz, Alan Baker, Rod Speed, Jolly Roger, Lewis, et. al.

Which, ironically so, the whole point of what makes them iKooks in the first
place - which is a VERY IMPORTANT ADULT CONCEPT few people seem to realize.

It's _not_ like the difference between the Linux & Windows users when it
comes to the iKooks. They're actually _all_ uneducated. None of them has
more than a high school degree (those like Alan Baker don't even have that).

What I stated was an educated opinion based on decades of studying them:
a. Every iKook lacks both education and intelligence (to a man!)
(That's important to know as it's _different_ with Windows:Linux users)

b. Every iKook obtains the bulk of their self esteem from Apple MARKETING
(Again, it's important because nobody else but they fall for that crap.)

c. Hence, every fact about Apple they brazenly deny to their dying breaths!
(That's the important result of the above two facts about the iKooks.)

As just one example, they exalt in "TSMC-Silicon" and yet nobody intelligent
thinks it's "Apple-Silicon" but those utter morons. Certainly no Windows or
Linux user will exalt in a mere slogan such as "Intel Inside" even as at
least it _is_ Intel silicon.

Notice what differentiates the users who proclaim theirs is best is...
a. All the Apple iKooks are both ignorant and extremely un educated
b. All the Apple iKooks obtain their self esteem from Apple MARKETING ploys
c. Which is why the Apple iKooks hate almost every fact about Apple

Such as the fact Apple products are so crippled there is zero functionality
on an iPhone not already on Android and yet Android can do tons of app
functionality that an iPhone can't do, and such as the fact Apple can't even
design a modem, let along integrate an existing modem into an SOC, or that
Apple can't design a power delivery system that doesn't need to be throttled
for stability, or the fact that nobody in high tech has a _lower_ R&D spend
than does Apple (nor a higher Marketing spend, coincidentally enough).

I understand these iKooks perhaps better than they understand themselves.

When iKooks frequently gloat about Apple's ungodly obscene profit margins, I
realize what they do not realize, which is you can't make that kind of
profit off of intelligent people... now can you?

That's the key topic I would love to flesh out as an _adult_ discussion:
*Can you make such ungodly profit margins off of intelligent customers?*
--
Nobody in high tech has as low R&D as does Apple, nor as high of MARKETING.

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 by: nospam - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:54 UTC

In article <sv8u5o$100r$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

> I consider death threats against me very serious indeed, and that's only the
> start of it (even nospam issued a death threat but he later recanted it).

i never issued a death threat to you or anyone else.

you are a liar.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 22:34 UTC

nospam wrote:

> i never issued a death threat to you or anyone else.
>
> you are a liar.

Tell it to the FBI as I reported it (and brought it up on the Apple
newsgroups) the instant you did so (and will report _all_ such threats).

I've proven you wrong so many times I can't count how many there are.
And yet you've never found even a _single_ fact from me to be wrong.

As a result of you being proven wrong (which isn't hard, mind you, so it's
nothing for me to gloat about, that's for sure), you _hate_ me.

And that's OK.
You _hate_ me (and that's fine) because I prove the facts about Apple.

But the fact you hate me underscores what I've learned over decades of
studying why any tech comparison that does NOT include you iKooks is
completely _different_ from a tech comparison where iKooks are involved.

For example, there are Linux and Windows tech comparisons, where both are
a. Educated
b. Intelligent
c. And they don't garner their self esteem from Microsoft or Canonical.

Intelligent purposefully helpful people like Paul is will say both the good
and the bad about Windows & Linux because they aren't afraid of the facts.

Yet, every single one of you iKooks is deathly afraid of facts.
iKooks fear facts so much you _hate_ anyone who brings facts to the fore.

You yourself have fabricated countless functionality that simply doesn't
exist (remember the infamous Snit video"proving" iOS wasn't crippled?).
<https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo> Brazen functionality fabrication

Why do you brazenly fabricate purely imaginary non existent functionality?

I've studied _why_ iKooks are different than Linux, Android, & Windows
users, where I've assessed over the years you all have three commonalities.
1. None of you has more than a high school education (some even less).
2. None of you own even an average intelligence level (see below).
3. All of you derive an inordinately huge amount of self esteem from Apple.

An example of your lack of intelligence is you only have 7 responses to
fact, which we proved you use EVERY SINGLE TIME there's a fact you hate.

Those seven responses start with denying the facts outright, and they end
with a kindergarten taunt (often of your patented "ftfy") which shows none
of you iKooks owns an _adult_ response to a fact about Apple products.

What's interesting is that you'll almost never see any Android, Linux, or
Windows user become an iKultist like you iKooks always appear to be.

An adult discussion could flesh out the reasons why that is the case.
I suspect it's not the first two reasons though, as Zaghedka himself proved.
1. Plenty of {Windows,Android,Linux} users are ill educated like the iKooks
2. Plenty of {Windows,Android,Linux} users are of a rather low IQ level too
3. ... see below ...

What's _different_ (tremendously so), is the {Windows,Android,Linux} don't
fall for the "Intel-Silicon" advertising bullshit that Apple rather
brilliantly feeds to the ill-educated ignorant iKooks of which you are one.

Still, Usenet is water under the bridge, nospam.
a. You post as if you are an adult, I'll treat you like an adult.
b. You post as if you are an iKook, I'll treat you like the iKook you are.

In a way, you iKooks are like Putin in his pre-taped declaration of war
defending what is, in fact, a well-planned unprovoked attack of neighbor.

Just a how the iKooks brazenly fabricate pretexts to attack facts at all
costs and to the death, Putin fabricated imaginary slights such as genocide
against his language in the Ukraine, to fascists in the Kyiv government, to
a historical right to that area (which _everyone_ has, by the way), to false
flag accusations, to being "peacekeepers", etc., but what Putin didn't say
was his real reason.

The real reason iKooks hate facts about Apple are that they obtain their
self esteem from the advertised product which Apple products never meet.
--
The real reason Putin attacked the Ukraine is that every country that
converts to a working democracy is a potent threat to Putin's regime.

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 by: nospam - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 22:52 UTC

In article <sv915t$1g6bg$1@news.mixmin.net>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

>
> > i never issued a death threat to you or anyone else.
> >
> > you are a liar.
>
> Tell it to the FBI as I reported it (and brought it up on the Apple
> newsgroups) the instant you did so (and will report _all_ such threats).

there's nothing to report. i have never issued a death threat to anyone.

on the other hand, you claim that i did can be considered defamatory.

> I've proven you wrong so many times I can't count how many there are.

there's nothing to count. it's 0.

> And yet you've never found even a _single_ fact from me to be wrong.

everyone has.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 23:04 UTC

nospam wrote:

>> And yet you've never found even a _single_ fact from me to be wrong.
>
> everyone has.

You hate facts because your entire iKook belief system isn't based on facts.

The intelligence that is required to understand Putin's motive is to know
that each country that converts to a working democracy is a threat to his
propaganda machine, just as, on a far lower scale, nospam, the threat of
facts to you is that every fact instantly _destroys_ your imaginary belief
systems, where facts only bolster the belief systems of educated people.

Do you want me to even begin listing all the times you claimed a fact was
wrong simply because you don't like any facts that damage your self esteem
(given your self esteem is hugely derived from Apple marketing claims).

We could start with this one, for example, if you like:
*It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/PZuec56EWB0>
--
Democracy is dangerous to Russia because Putin's despotic system isn't based
on freedom just as the iKooks imaginary belief system isn't based on facts.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 23:45 UTC

Below is a typical conversation with an iKook where the three factors exist:
a. The iKooks are not educated (so they can't comprehend any facts)
b. The iKooks have low IQ (so they try to bluff their way away from facts)
c. The iKooks derive their self esteem from Apple propaganda (not facts)

This representative conversation, posted verbatim, happened moments ago.

nospam wrote:

> In article <sv93eg$129l$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
> <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>> And, if they use the iCloud, their iMessages are _not_ encrypted either.
>>>
>>> yes they very definitely are encrypted.
>>
>> Wrong again, as you apparently aren't aware Apple has the encryption key.
>
> which means they are encrypted.

The way I know you're uneducated is your lack of grasp of detail since you
weren't even aware that Apple has the encryption key for most people (and
you can't control what other people do), which Apple employees are certainly
well aware of even if you clearly were not.

> apple will *only* provide that key to law enforcement in response to a
> legitimate court order, and that process is somewhat involved.

We covered this in detail where Apple hands your data away with a simple
note and nothing more in the vast majority of the cases, nospam (AFAICR).

Even so, we also covered that Apple's own policies state that they can look
at your data for almost any reason (we can dig up the exact cites but we
don't need to because all this shows you're ignorant of almost everything).
>> BTW, I can't claim to be smart
>
> because you are not

Another way to know that you lack sufficient IQ is that you have no _adult_
response to facts you simply weren't aware of, nospam.

You start with denying all facts you're simply ignorant of, and then you end
with trying to insult the user for telling you facts that you hate about
Apple.

All you iKooks suffer from the same three maladies.
1. You're un educated (most don't even have a high school degree)
2. You're ignorant (you don't even know Apple stores the key)
3. You derive your self esteem from Apple propaganda

That last item, coupled with the other two, is what makes you an iKook.
You deny all facts about Apple simply because you _hate_ them.

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 by: Chris - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 12:52 UTC

On 24/02/2022 22:52, nospam wrote:
> In article <sv915t$1g6bg$1@news.mixmin.net>, Andy Burnelli
> <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>> i never issued a death threat to you or anyone else.
>>>
>>> you are a liar.
>>
>> Tell it to the FBI as I reported it (and brought it up on the Apple
>> newsgroups) the instant you did so (and will report _all_ such threats).
>
> there's nothing to report. i have never issued a death threat to anyone.
>
> on the other hand, you claim that i did can be considered defamatory.

It's libel in fact. Courts are readily prosecuting people for libellous
comments made online.

"Andy", you've gone too far. Provide clear evidence or retract the
comment. Don't play the victim and devalue the seriousness of the
allegation.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 15:04 UTC

Chris wrote:

> It's libel in fact. Courts are readily prosecuting people for libellous
> comments made online.

I respond to Chris' baseless accusation as an adult.

For the _adults_ on this newsgroup... please read the proof below which
proves my point about iKooks being (a) poorly educated, (b) vastly low IQ,
and (c) they brazenly deny all facts simply because they don't like them.

This post from Chris is direct evidence the iKooks are not normal adults.
Their entire strongly held belief systems are based on exactly _zero_ facts.

*These low-IQ iKooks deny obvious facts _no adult_ would/could deny exist!*
> "Andy", you've gone too far. Provide clear evidence or retract the
> comment. Don't play the victim and devalue the seriousness of the
> allegation.

I take death threats against me and my family very seriously.

Hence I took Rod Speed's "*offer to arrange a death squad*" seriously and I
also took nospam's "*your death can be arranged*" seriously enough to report
both immediately to the FBI and I even gave you iKooks the link already.

The iKooks brazenly denied that the link in this very thread exists!
No educated normal IQ adult would deny what can't possibly be denied.

This is what is so very strange about these iKooks that I claim is what
defines them. They deny any fact that doesn't fit into their purely
imaginary belief systems which are themselves, based on _zero_ facts.

Chris just proved me right about iKooks since the link is _already_ there.
And yet, you iKooks vehemently deny that the link has already been provided.

It's exactly what iKooks always do.

I ask the _adults_ on this newsgroup who on earth is _that_ stupid?
a. Chris has the link already
b. Chris brazenly denies all facts (i.e., Chris denies the link is there)

How can that even happen with a normal IQ normally educated adult?
It can't, right?

Chris just proved my point about iKooks in spades:
a. These iKooks are incredibly uneducated & of incredibly low IQ
b. To the point of demanding a link which I _already_ gave them!

I _already_ gave the link and I already said nospam's threat wasn't as
obvious as the death threat from Rod Speed and that nospam denied he meant
his "your death can be arranged" as a death threat - but I'm the one being
threatened by nospam (simply for proving him wrong, mind you); so I am the
one who has the right to take nospam's threat seriously.

Do these iKooks discuss the claim like an adult would do it?
a. They could have clicked on the link
b. They could have seen that I proved exactly what I claim
c. And then, like an adult, they could have discussed the threat from nospam

Did _any_ of the iKooks do that which an _adult_ would do?
Nope.
1. Chris, an iKook, denied the fact existed
2. So did nospam (even as _he_ was the one who made the claim that
"your death can be arranged" so even he denied that the fact exists.

And yet, it does.

That's is classic iKook behavior.
a. Deny all facts they simply don't like
b. Without _ever_ even reading the links
c. And then demand a link when the link was already provided

This wouldn't be so classic if it wasn't proof of what happens all the time!
A. It won't matter if I give them a _hundred_ links.
B. They won't even read them before outright denying that the links exist.

Chris is a perfect example of what iKooks are.

1. I repeat: The proof Chris demands, is in the link I already provided
2. Chris is either too stupid to comprehend - or
3. More likely, Chris didn't even _read_ the link before denying it exist

That's what iKooks are.
a. They deny all facts they simply don't like
b. Without even reading the proof already provided
c. Instead of reading the cite & discussing what nospam said

Like an adult would.

All you iKooks are always the same (which is why you are iKooks).
1. These iKooks have no education whatsoever (they can't even look it up)
2. They all have a low IQ (they can't comprehend what the adults say)
3. And, they defend Apple to the death, even to the point of death threats

I repeat.
I already gave everyone the link where nospam said that my death could be
arranged and yet, these iKooks didn't even _read_ the link before denying
that a fact that is clearly a fact to all adults, doesn't exist to iKooks.
--
Apple knows they can't make those ungodly profits off an educated consumer.

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 by: Bob Campbell - Sat, 26 Feb 2022 03:32 UTC

Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> What makes some people iKooks anyway?
>

You tell us, we are dying to know. You are the only “iKook” here. You
are TOTALLY obsessed with iOS, yet you know absolutely nothing about it.

Rant on, iKookTard. 🙄

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sat, 26 Feb 2022 04:23 UTC

Bob Campbell wrote:

> Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>> What makes some people iKooks anyway?
>>
>
> You tell us, we are dying to know. You are the only �iKook� here. You
> are TOTALLY obsessed with iOS, yet you know absolutely nothing about it.

A rather _adult_ observation follows based on decades of studies.
*Any fact about Apple threatens the entire self esteem of iKooks!*

At the risk of stating the obvious, notice how childish the iKooks are.
They can't confront a _single_ fact without their kindergarten response.

The _adult_ observation is important to realize this distinction.
1. With Linux:Windows for example, there are few to no kooks
2. With iOS:anything there are _always_ these iKooks

One has the ask the _adult_ question why the iKooks are so different?
The answer, after decades of study, is _NOT_ that iOS is different.

It's that the people who gravitate to Apple products are who are different.
1. These iKooks are all ill educated (most don't have 12th grade diplomas)
2. All these iKooks are of low IQ (which is _why_ they're uneducated)

Yet that alone just makes the iKooks ignorant.
But notice how _vehemently_ they react to all facts with such hatred.

Why is that?
The reason turns out to be simple.
a. Facts are a dire _threat_ to the iKooks.
b. People who bear facts, are so dangerous, they garner death threats!

The _adult_ question to ask is _why_ are facts so dangerous to iKooks?

The answer turns out to be incredibly simple, as "Bob Campbell" showed:
A. iKooks gravitated to the platform with the most promise (least facts)
B. iKooks gain their entire self esteem from those clever Apple promises.

*Any fact about Apple threatens the entire self esteem of iKooks!*
--
There is no room in the iKooks belief system for actual facts about Apple.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sun, 27 Feb 2022 10:21 UTC

rabidR04CH wrote:

>>> Because I haven't been convinced to drink the Kool-Aid and buy one. I'm
>>> tasked with fixing them when they inevitably fail for others and that
>>> experience is much of the reason why I don't want to buy one for
>>> myself... the price for what you get adds to that.
>>
>> there is no kool-aid.
>
> Not anymore: you drank it all.

Below is a rather _adult_ observation of why the iKooks are what they are.

I find it revealing that nospam, being a classic iKook, claims there is no
kool-aid, given he exhibits the classic symptoms of the Jim Jones' cultists.

a. All iKooks are uneducated and of low IQ and of low self esteem
b. Apple MARKETING (brilliantly) caters to those of low self esteem
c. Where the iKooks garner much of their self esteem from Apple promises

As a result of those factors, the iKooks believe in an imaginary belief
system that is almost completely devoid of any actual facts about Apple.

Hence, any fact about Apple iKooks don't like, they outright brazenly deny.
If they can't deny them, they go through a range of seven excuses.
The final step is they turn into kindergarten kids with ad hominems.

The question is _why_ are iKooks so afraid of facts about Apple products.
The answer turns out to be rather simple (if you know the traits above).
A. iKooks garner an appreciable amount of self esteem from Apple products
B. Any fact that detracts from Apple esteem, detracts from theirs
C. Hence, they not only hate all facts about Apple, but all messengers

Normal people do not act that way.
Normal people have not drunk the Apple kool-aid that the iKooks drank.
--
My point isn't that iKooks are uneducated & of low IQ & low self esteem, but
_because_ of those things, they always deny all facts they hate about Apple.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sun, 27 Feb 2022 15:54 UTC

In article <news:svdldt$p4v$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nope. Vaccines are immunogenic. Drugs are not.

In article <news:svdldt$p4v$2@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> I ask again please show the bit which says drugs are immunogenic.

In article <news:svdnmr$1oec$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> Look here <https://duckduckgo.com/?q=immunogenic+drugs>

In article <news:svfm3t$g5t$3@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> That doesn't shoot any argument to hell. Answer the question.

*Adults will notice the iKooks are completely _immune_ to facts*

Simply clicking the link showed the clear existence of _many_ immunogenic
drugs, we hereby have fully proved that Chris did, what all iKooks do.

The iKook didn't even _click_ on the link before brazenly denying all facts.
Repeatedly.
It wouldn't matter how many facts you present - iKooks are immune to them.

Classic iKook.

Here's what transpired with the senseless iKooks:
a. We mentioned the topic of drug definitions with respect to vaccines
b. Chris brazenly proclaimed, sans facts, there are no immunogenic drugs.
"Vaccines are immunogenic. Drugs are not."
c. Adults supplied a Google search finding _many_ "immunogenic drugs"
d. Chris brazenly _repeats_ his claim that there are no immunogenic drugs
e. Again and again in fact.
f. And yet, no adult would deny the fact immunogenic drugs exist.

What is so very wrong about these strange iKooks?
They can't carry on an _adult_ conversation.

The problem, of course, is that good-hearted people spend more energy
finding the facts that the iKooks spend zero energy brazenly denying.

Stupidity is rooted in ignorance.
A. The iKooks have low IQ, low self esteem, and no education
B. Hence, they form entirely imaginary belief systems about everything
C. Typically it's Apple products - but here - it's immunogenic drugs.

Who is _that_ stupid but the iKooks?
1. Their belief systems are based on exactly _zero_ facts
2. Hence, any fact is a _danger_ to their entire imaginary belief system
3. So they brazenly (and repeatedly) deny the existence of contrary facts

Just as with Apple products, they deny all facts they simply don't like.
Even, as in this case, nobody who was an _adult_ would repeatedly deny them.

*Facts are _dangerous_ to these ill educated & low self-esteem iKooks*
Every fact instantly destroys the entire belief systems of the iKooks.

Just as the fact Santa Claus doesn't exist destroys the completely imaginary
belief systems of kids who are highly influenced by clever MARKETING.

In another post in the same thread, Steve, to his credit, showed an FDA link
of the definition of a drug, and, the iKook Chris replied on 2/27/2022:
"How long did it take you to find that [in the FDA documents]?
It contradicts [Chris' entire belief system]... Probably a mistake."
[Article <news:svfm3t$g5t$2@dont-email.me> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>]
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"Based on this range, a threshold of 1.8 was determined as the upper limit
of the values of a low *immunogenic drug* (stimulation index (SI)>1.8)."
<https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7993230/>

"In vitro flow cytometry, immunofluorescence staining, and in vivo
small-animal PET imaging results showed that CRTpep detected preapoptotic
cells treated with immunogenic drugs or radiation but not those treated with
the nonimmunogenic drug or a nontherapeutic dose of immunogenic drug."
<https://www.pubfacts.com/detail/33509975/Imaging-Calreticulin-for-Early-Detection-of-Immunogenic-Cell-Death-During-Anticancer-Treatment>

"Such combined approach for immunogenicity prediction at very early phases
of drug development allows the rapid identification of potentially high
*immunogenic drugs* before entering in clinical phase, saving time, costs
and efforts."
<https://repositorio.ul.pt/bitstream/10451/17949/1/ulsd070360_td_Sandra_Gama.pdf>

"Non-responders, who have no detectable serum trough levels and detectable
ADAb, may benefit in switching to a less *immunogenic drug*."
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.842.7465&rep=rep1&type=pdf

"The aim of this multinational European venture is to elucidate the factors
leading to immunisation; that is, the development of ADAs that counteracts
various biopharmaceutical drugs with the purpose of facilitating the
development of less *immunogenic drugs* in the future."
<https://diglib.uibk.ac.at/download/pdf/2357012?name=Immunisation%20against%20Interferon-beta%20and%20Natalizumab%20in%20Multiple%20Sclerosis%20patie>

"The previously described *immunogienic drugs* lead tumor scells to expose
or release certain molecules known as damage-associated molecular patterns
(DAMPs) which are able to interact with immune system cells and trigger an
effective antitumor immune response."
<https://tdx.cat/bitstream/handle/10803/666881/lvds1de1.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y>

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sun, 27 Feb 2022 22:04 UTC

Chris wrote:

> And yet you've claimed you're not intelligent. I take it then that you
> don't understand. Makes sense.

Chris,
Whether or not I'm intelligent is up to others to ascertain, but rest
assured I didn't matriculate from the finest schools in the country and
retire early from Silicon Valley startups by being of low IQ like you.

I've never actually met, in person, people like you strange iKooks are.

A. You iKooks all have low IQ, low self esteem, and no education;
B. Hence, you form entirely imaginary belief systems about everything;
C. Typically it's Apple products - but it's basically everything.

Apple knows this.
Apple (rather brilliantly) _feeds_ you your entire Apple belief system.
Like a parent feeds their young children the idea Santa Claus is real.

And yet, it's an entirely imaginary belief system Apple fed to you Chris.
What makes iKooks _different_ is you _believe_ everything fed to you.

It's why you claim it's "TSMC-Silicon" when nobody who is an adult exalts
over "Intel-Inside" (even as at the very least, it _is_ Intel Silicon).

It wouldn't matter so much that you're low IQ and that you have no
education, but you iKooks take all facts about Apple products as a blow to
your low self esteem.

To iKooks, a fact about Apple products is a _danger_ to your belief system.
a. You _hate_ all facts about Apple products, and,
b. You hate all messengers of fact about Apple products.

It's what makes you an iKook after all.
*Facts instantly _destroy_ your fragile ego-built imaginary belief systems*
--
The iKooks even gloat about how much profit Apple makes off each purchase.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sat, 14 May 2022 01:21 UTC

nospam wrote:

>> Having a college education in and of itself sets me apart from the iKooks.
>
> whatever you supposedly had was wasted.

I know you nospam, perhaps far better than you know yourself.

What's interesting is decades ago I had heard about the flame wars between
the Apple (usually Mac) aficionados and those on the Windows side, but I
wasn't part of them (as I was using tin/rn and the like on SunOS/Solaris in
the beginning) until I got my iPads to test out how well they worked with
Linux and asked the child-like Apple newsgroups for guidance & help.

Having been already familiar with the adult OS newsgroups (mostly Linux and
Windows), I had _expected_ the people on the iOS newsgroup to be adults.

To their inestimable credit, some were helpful such as Michele Steiner (who
started m.p.m.i, I think) & David Empson, but wholly unprepossessing
child-like people like you were also here, unfortunately, & you still are.

My first questions were about the iPad all of a sudden no longer working
with Linux simply by an iOS update (lesson learned the very first time),
where I came here to ask for help from those who supposedly know iOS.

The answers that you and the other child-like iKooks provided were always
not only wrong, but purposefully unhelpful (as if you literally _hated_ the
fact that the Apple product offended you when it turned out to be broken).

Rest assured, this attitude that the mother ship can do no wrong is _only_
found on the child-like Apple newsgroups - not Linux or Windows or Android.

Only the Apple newsgroups.

What at first confused me is how wrong people like you always were, where I
couldn't figure out (at first) in any given post if you were just
incredibly stupid or if you were simply a despicable brazen liar, since you
couldn't possibly _believe_ a word you said when people asked for help.
a. You'd deny everything they experienced
b. You'd claim you told them how (and yet, you didn't and you can't)
c. You'd fabricate masses of app functionality that simply doesn't exist
d. You'd tell people they have no right to any functionality they'd expect
etc.

It's when you and Jolly Roger & Lewis _repeatedly & _purposefully_
(sadistically so!) sent numerous innocent people on brutally perverse
doomed-to-fail barbarous wild-goose chases simply because all you iKooks
hated to admit iOS couldn't do something, that I realized you are a truly
disgusting and brutally vicious human being (much like Putin is).

It bothers you not a whit that you don't own a "nice" bone in your body.

All you iKooks are despicable worthless pieces of shit, personality wise.
a. You all _hate_ that Apple products are never what Apple said they were
b. So you brazenly _fabricate_ imaginary functionality that doesn't exist
c. Simply because you can't admit to _yourself_ that iOS is crippled.

And then, much like Putin does, you _repeat_ your brazen fabrications of
functionality that, by then, there's zero chance that you're not lying.

That's when I learned how viciously despicable you iKooks truly are.

The fact that iOS is crippled isn't what makes you all pieces of shit.
It's the fact you will brazenly lie about it because you hate that fact.

You don't give a shit that you sent innocent people on wild goose chases.
That's the clearest indicator of all that you iKooks are pieces of shit.

There's not a single sincere purposefully helpful "nice" bone in your body.
--
Jolly Roger, Lewis, nospam, Joerg Lorenz, Alan Baker, Rod Speed, Snit et al

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 by: Jerry - Sat, 14 May 2022 14:08 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 02:21:26 +0100, Andy Burnelli wrote:

> nospam wrote:
>
>>> Having a college education in and of itself sets me apart from the iKooks.
>>
>> whatever you supposedly had was wasted.
>
> I know you nospam, perhaps far better than you know yourself.
>
> What's interesting is decades ago I had heard about the flame wars between
> the Apple (usually Mac) aficionados and those on the Windows side, but I
> wasn't part of them (as I was using tin/rn and the like on SunOS/Solaris in
> the beginning) until I got my iPads to test out how well they worked with
> Linux and asked the child-like Apple newsgroups for guidance & help.
>
> Having been already familiar with the adult OS newsgroups (mostly Linux and
> Windows), I had _expected_ the people on the iOS newsgroup to be adults.
>
> To their inestimable credit, some were helpful such as Michele Steiner (who
> started m.p.m.i, I think) & David Empson, but wholly unprepossessing
> child-like people like you were also here, unfortunately, & you still are.
>
> My first questions were about the iPad all of a sudden no longer working
> with Linux simply by an iOS update (lesson learned the very first time),
> where I came here to ask for help from those who supposedly know iOS.
>
> The answers that you and the other child-like iKooks provided were always
> not only wrong, but purposefully unhelpful (as if you literally _hated_ the
> fact that the Apple product offended you when it turned out to be broken).
>
> Rest assured, this attitude that the mother ship can do no wrong is _only_
> found on the child-like Apple newsgroups - not Linux or Windows or Android.
>
> Only the Apple newsgroups.
>
> What at first confused me is how wrong people like you always were, where I
> couldn't figure out (at first) in any given post if you were just
> incredibly stupid or if you were simply a despicable brazen liar, since you
> couldn't possibly _believe_ a word you said when people asked for help.
> a. You'd deny everything they experienced
> b. You'd claim you told them how (and yet, you didn't and you can't)
> c. You'd fabricate masses of app functionality that simply doesn't exist
> d. You'd tell people they have no right to any functionality they'd expect
> etc.
>
> It's when you and Jolly Roger & Lewis _repeatedly & _purposefully_
> (sadistically so!) sent numerous innocent people on brutally perverse
> doomed-to-fail barbarous wild-goose chases simply because all you iKooks
> hated to admit iOS couldn't do something, that I realized you are a truly
> disgusting and brutally vicious human being (much like Putin is).
>
> It bothers you not a whit that you don't own a "nice" bone in your body.
>
> All you iKooks are despicable worthless pieces of shit, personality wise.
> a. You all _hate_ that Apple products are never what Apple said they were
> b. So you brazenly _fabricate_ imaginary functionality that doesn't exist
> c. Simply because you can't admit to _yourself_ that iOS is crippled.
>
> And then, much like Putin does, you _repeat_ your brazen fabrications of
> functionality that, by then, there's zero chance that you're not lying.
>
> That's when I learned how viciously despicable you iKooks truly are.
>
> The fact that iOS is crippled isn't what makes you all pieces of shit.
> It's the fact you will brazenly lie about it because you hate that fact.
>
> You don't give a shit that you sent innocent people on wild goose chases.
> That's the clearest indicator of all that you iKooks are pieces of shit.
>
> There's not a single sincere purposefully helpful "nice" bone in your body.

Why don't you tell them how you really feel?

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 by: *Hemidactylus* - Sat, 14 May 2022 18:57 UTC

[snip troll stuff]
>
> To their inestimable credit, some were helpful such as Michele Steiner (who
> started m.p.m.i, I think) & David Empson, but wholly unprepossessing
> child-like people like you were also here, unfortunately, & you still are.
>
A shout out to Michelle Steiner who I actually remember from like 10 years
ago. Rest from Arlen troll Apple basher deleted.

Weird now I am pretty much iOS driven. Don’t need MacOS or Linux really,
though I have much respect for the latter. I messed with Solaris and PCBSD
too.

It’s dead Jim: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueOS

Oh well.

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 by: *Hemidactylus* - Sat, 14 May 2022 19:11 UTC

*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

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> I messed with Solaris and PCBSD
> too.
>
> It’s dead Jim: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueOS
>
> Oh well.
>
Speaking of BSD what’s the consensus on pfSense? Most routers are crappy
commercial junk. What’s the ideal setup for routers and wifi access points?

I already know of OpenWRT, but ain’t that the starting point of most
consumer routers? And since the corporate sources suck at security and
continued plus engaged support, Linux flaws are effectively baked in.

Apple used to do home grade routers. What happened?

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In article <1t2dnS9fAuRqY-L_nZ2dnUU7-IvNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

> Speaking of BSD what¹s the consensus on pfSense?

it's very powerful, but non-trivial to configure and manage. it runs on
a lot of hardware so it's easy to test out.

> Most routers are crappy
> commercial junk. What¹s the ideal setup for routers and wifi access points?

take a look at the synology 6600ax, a new wifi 6 router which supports
mesh (currently with another 6600, but soon to also support the older
2600 and 2200) and one of the few to use the 5.9ghz band. the user
interface is their own gui, or you can ssh for a command line if you
prefer.

> I already know of OpenWRT, but ain¹t that the starting point of most
> consumer routers?

no. a few use it, but most don't.

> And since the corporate sources suck at security and
> continued plus engaged support, Linux flaws are effectively baked in.

not all suck at that.

> Apple used to do home grade routers. What happened?

they discontinued them.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sat, 14 May 2022 19:52 UTC

*Hemidactylus* wrote:
> Weird now I am pretty much iOS driven. Don't need MacOS or Linux really,
> though I have much respect for the latter. I messed with Solaris and PCBSD
> too.

I went from the IBM 1103 (I think that's what it was) to a much larger IBM
mainframes to building my own 68701 microcontroller boards to the PDP11 and
then to smaller sized DEC machines (e.g., vax) to Masscomp and then to
SunOS and then to Solaris and then to Redhat and then to Centos, to Ubuntu,
and finally to Android, iOS, and to Windows, which is a progression most of
us made in some fashion or another.

> A shout out to Michelle Steiner who I actually remember from like 10 years
> ago.

Michelle Steiner started the iOS newsgroup, as far as I know, and she
kindly gave me the NewsTap license, and David Empson told the iKooks off
umpteen times, which is how I learned how sadistically brutal iKooks are.

David Empson would patiently explain to the iKooks like nospam and Lewis
and Jolly Roger how things _really_ worked in iOS, and then, just a short
time later, when an innocent person asked how things worked, if David
wasn't there (and eventually he gave up), the iKooks sadistically played
their wild-goose chase game with the next innocent person who asked.

It was at that point that I realized the iKooks just lied, and then I
started to try to figure out _why_ they fabricated imaginary iOS
functionality.

The problem with low IQ low-self-esteem no-education iKooks is simply that
their ego is intertwined with a purely imaginary concept of what iOS is.

Over time I realized that the iKooks invested a tremendous amount of their
self esteem in "their choice" of iOS products, such that _any_ perceived
slight, is, to them, dangerous.

Just as any fact is _always_ dangerous to imaginary belief systems, any
fact about iOS is the most dangerous thing in the world to the iKooks.

They _hate_ any fact that shows that iOS is crippled.
And that's a _lot_ of facts indeed.
--
The problem with low IQ low-self-esteem no-education iKooks is simply that
their ego is intertwined with a purely imaginary concept of what iOS is.

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On Sat, 14 May 2022 14:11:51 -0500, *Hemidactylus*
<ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

>*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>
>[snip to importance]

>Apple used to do home grade routers. What happened?

Presumably they weren't making enough $$$ on them. For the last 20
years I've gotten mine from my ISP and have replaced it as I've moved
to faster (and more costly) tiers.

I'm sure I'm not the only one by a long shot.

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