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On Sun, 15 May 2022 13:08:49 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>On 5/15/2022 11:33 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 06:23:55 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>>> On 5/13/2022 10:55 PM, rabidR04CH wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-05-13 10:12 p.m., Bill wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  From this I conclude that $23 for a USB DVD Drive is a good
>>>>>> investment for a new computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> How the heck did you come to that conclusion based on what I said?
>>>>
>>>> I will enjoy using MS Office and other apps that I have on DVD, rather
>>>> then succumbing to the subscription model which appears to be being
>>>> pushed out next. You may have noticed that DVD's have been "going out of
>>>> style", and aren't present on many prebuilt computers. "$23" just
>>>> happens to be the price of the USB DVD drive that is on my Amazon wish
>>>> list.
>>
>> To Bill: Why is it on your wish list? $23 isn't a lot of money (at
>> least not to most people). Why not just buy and install it.
>
>Because I don't have the rest of the computer yet! I was thinking of my
>"next" one. My current computer has a built in DVD drive.

Ah, thanks for the clarification.

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Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>> I have just as stable a connection over WiFi as I would with a wire.
>
>"Stable" maybe, depending on what you mean by that, but arguably not as
>"secure".

Nearly everything important is encrypted before it even reaches the
WiFi chip.

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On 5/15/2022 4:24 PM, Joel wrote:
> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
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>>> I have just as stable a connection over WiFi as I would with a wire.
>>
>> "Stable" maybe, depending on what you mean by that, but arguably not as
>> "secure".
>
>
> Nearly everything important is encrypted before it even reaches the
> WiFi chip.
>

I think it's mostly what comes "out" of your wifi chip that you have to
worry about... But you're the "pro". ; )

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 by: Joel - Sun, 15 May 2022 21:32 UTC

Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>>>> I have just as stable a connection over WiFi as I would with a wire.
>>>
>>> "Stable" maybe, depending on what you mean by that, but arguably not as
>>> "secure".
>>
>> Nearly everything important is encrypted before it even reaches the
>> WiFi chip.
>
>I think it's mostly what comes "out" of your wifi chip that you have to
>worry about... But you're the "pro". ; )

How is anyone going to decrypt it, to get anything of value out of it?
How worried about that do I need to be, in a peaceful neighborhood?

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 by: Char Jackson - Mon, 16 May 2022 01:02 UTC

On Sun, 15 May 2022 09:32:23 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 15 May 2022 10:52:55 -0500, Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On 2022-05-15 10:33 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 06:23:55 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 5/13/2022 10:55 PM, rabidR04CH wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-05-13 10:12 p.m., Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  From this I conclude that $23 for a USB DVD Drive is a good
>>>>>>> investment for a new computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How the heck did you come to that conclusion based on what I said?
>>>>>
>>>>> I will enjoy using MS Office and other apps that I have on DVD, rather
>>>>> then succumbing to the subscription model which appears to be being
>>>>> pushed out next. You may have noticed that DVD's have been "going out of
>>>>> style", and aren't present on many prebuilt computers. "$23" just
>>>>> happens to be the price of the USB DVD drive that is on my Amazon wish
>>>>> list.
>>>
>>> To Bill: Why is it on your wish list? $23 isn't a lot of money (at
>>> least not to most people). Why not just buy and install it.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I deliberately bought a case with no spaces for optical drives,
>>>> leaving my BD-RE in my old computer. It's just not needed for
>>>> anything, anymore.
>>>
>>> That's a giant overstatement, as far as I'm concerned. I need mine to
>>> read the many CDs and DVDs I still have, some of which are need to
>>> reinstall a program, should it be necessary.
>>>
>>> Granted, I don't use mine often, but I never know when I might need
>>> to.
>>>
>>> Also granted that we're not all the same, and there are those (you
>>> apparently, for example) who don't need it. But it's not true that
>>> nobody needs one.
>>>
>>> When my new (Oct 2021) computer was built, I made sure it had a DVD
>>> drive.
>>>
>>
>>Likewise , I don't use it often but still have some utilities that I use
>>and a a few old programs that I access so for $25.00 I will always have
>>one installed.
>
>
>Similarly, I used to always have 3.5" and 5.25" diskette drives
>installed on the theory that I still had a bunch of old diskettes and
>I might need one some day. After several years went by without ever
>using either one, I stopped having them, and all my recent computers
>haven't had any.
>
>The same will probably be true of DVD/CD drives one of these days, but
>as far as I'm concerned, we're not there yet.

I haven't had an optical drive installed since about 2008 but I still
have one in a drawer, in case I ever need it. I haven't needed it, so I
guess as far as I'm concerned we got there over a dozen years ago. ;-)

I pulled out my floppy drives around 1998/1999 and I'm guessing some
people kept theirs longer, so maybe I'm just an early adopter, or an
early abandoner.

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Mon, 16 May 2022 01:59 UTC

On Sun, 15 May 2022 11:26:54 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Anyone can have a key, you could have got that from a naughty website.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, more power to people who do it that way, but I like the
>>>>> fact that my key is private info between Microsoft and myself. They
>>>>> recognize me as the one who bought it, and is using it with the same
>>>>> Microsoft account. It's peace of mind.
>>>>
>>>> As for peace of mind, I know my 7 computers will continue to run Windows 11 with no key forever. I trust pirates more than I trust MS. And you I suppose would have just shelled out $1400 just for some operating systems.
>>>
>>> I paid $200, as I've said. It's a fair market value, in my view.
>>
>> $200 x 7 = $1400. That is not acceptable.
>
> Ah, I misread. Well, that would be expensive, but so is building
> seven computers. It's just what is expected, whether you're actually
> going to do it or not.

Actually those computers cost $100 each, because I built them myself. Amazing what people give away or sell for a tenner.

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Mon, 16 May 2022 02:12 UTC

On Sun, 15 May 2022 17:34:08 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

> On 2022-05-14 9:05 p.m., Bill wrote:
>> On 5/13/2022 10:55 PM, rabidR04CH wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-13 10:12 p.m., Bill wrote:
>>>> On 5/13/2022 10:08 PM, rabidR04CH wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-05-13 7:15 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 13 May 2022 21:17:41 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>>>>>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 08:04:07, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>>>>>>> wrote
>>>>>>> (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>>>>>> []
>>>>>>>> I have no personal favorite. In fact I'm against the idea of Office
>>>>>>>> Suites. In my opinion, it's best to choose the program you like best
>>>>>>>> in each category, without regard to what suite it's in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tend to agree, for such different prog.s; as well as everything
>>>>>>> else,
>>>>>>> it also encourages people to think "grid" means "spreadsheet", so
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> they want a grid/table in their Word document, they use Excel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My favorite word processor is WordPerfect, my favorite spreadsheet
>>>>>>>> program is Excel, my favorite e-mail client is Thunderbird.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The same goes for non-office programs My favorite e-mail client is
>>>>>>>> Thunderbird, but my favorite newsreader is Agent. I'm against the
>>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>>> of bundling programs of any type together.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Each to his own; I like having the same prog. For news and mail,
>>>>>>> as they
>>>>>>> have similar requirements (quoted text etc.), and I don't have to
>>>>>>> remember which I'm using and how it does things differently from
>>>>>>> how the
>>>>>>> other one does;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, yours is a common point of view. As I said, it's not mine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >and the main disadvantage usually quoted - that of
>>>>>>> accidentally sending an email where a post was intended, or vice
>>>>>>> versa -
>>>>>>> I don't tend to do (well under one a year; I think less than 5
>>>>>>> times in
>>>>>>> about 30 years, but can't remember for sure). Conversely, if I
>>>>>>> _want_ to
>>>>>>> send a private email reply to a newsgroup poster, it's easy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I wouldn't try to force my view on anyone; above is/are just my
>>>>>>> explanation of why _I_ like the way I have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (As to the question of what's improved in recent Office suites and
>>>>>>> someone's reply that comparing 12 year old to current isn't very
>>>>>>> valid,
>>>>>>> I disagree: I use by default Word 2003, and have seen very little
>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>> to change [I have the converters].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For word processor in particular, the opportunity for real
>>>>>> improvements ran out years ago. There very little difference between
>>>>>> versions, for WordPerfect as well as for Word.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't disagree. Whatever improvements the software companies make
>>>>> now will most likely have more to do with collaboration and
>>>>> conferencing than with things a solo worker would actually need.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From this I conclude that $23 for a USB DVD Drive is a good
>>>> investment for a new computer.
>>>
>>> How the heck did you come to that conclusion based on what I said?
>>>
>>
>> I will enjoy using MS Office and other apps that I have on DVD, rather
>> then succumbing to the subscription model which appears to be being
>> pushed out next. You may have noticed that DVD's have been "going out of
>> style", and aren't present on many prebuilt computers. "$23" just
>> happens to be the price of the USB DVD drive that is on my Amazon wish
>> list.
>
> For me, having a license directly attacked to my Microsoft account

That's an excellent Freudian slip.

> is convenient. When it's time to reinstall, not only does it provide me a
> link to the product but gives the license key as well. For that as well
> as the knowledge that my product gets updates and security fixes, I'm
> willing to shell out $50.

You really can't see the problem can you?
https://youtu.be/wUTeO6VpDcc?t=18

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On Sun, 15 May 2022 11:23:55 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>> On 5/13/2022 10:55 PM, rabidR04CH wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-13 10:12 p.m., Bill wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From this I conclude that $23 for a USB DVD Drive is a good
>>>> investment for a new computer.
>>>
>>> How the heck did you come to that conclusion based on what I said?
>>
>> I will enjoy using MS Office and other apps that I have on DVD, rather
>> then succumbing to the subscription model which appears to be being
>> pushed out next. You may have noticed that DVD's have been "going out of
>> style", and aren't present on many prebuilt computers. "$23" just
>> happens to be the price of the USB DVD drive that is on my Amazon wish
>> list.
>
> I deliberately bought a case with no spaces for optical drives,
> leaving my BD-RE in my old computer. It's just not needed for
> anything, anymore.

Except fixing the fucked OS. And passing several GB to a friend.

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On Sun, 15 May 2022 21:24:07 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>
>>> I have just as stable a connection over WiFi as I would with a wire.
>>
>> "Stable" maybe, depending on what you mean by that, but arguably not as
>> "secure".
>
>
> Nearly everything important is encrypted before it even reaches the
> WiFi chip.

What an arse about.

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On Sun, 15 May 2022 22:32:55 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>
>>>>> I have just as stable a connection over WiFi as I would with a wire.
>>>>
>>>> "Stable" maybe, depending on what you mean by that, but arguably not as
>>>> "secure".
>>>
>>> Nearly everything important is encrypted before it even reaches the
>>> WiFi chip.
>>
>> I think it's mostly what comes "out" of your wifi chip that you have to
>> worry about... But you're the "pro". ; )
>
>
> How is anyone going to decrypt it, to get anything of value out of it?
> How worried about that do I need to be, in a peaceful neighborhood?

Me driving past your house with a laptop.

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Mon, 16 May 2022 07:22 UTC

On Sun, 15 May 2022 11:30:21 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>> Your motherboard is very similar to mine, although mine has WiFi 6
>>> built in, about the only difference I could tell (mine is a Gigabyte
>>> Aorus model). Your CPU is a generation newer, though, and mine is an
>>> i5, and a modest clock speed. And your SSD is double the size of
>>> mine, similar specs.
>>
>> Wifi is for phones.
>
> I have just as stable a connection over WiFi as I would with a wire.

ROTFPMSL! The day Wifi works reliably is the day hell freezes over (I think that's one of those god phrases you morons like). Most routers can't even select an unused channel by themselves! I went to fix a neighbour's wireless and found her and both next door neighbours were all on channel 1!

> And I can't run a wire here, anyway.

Are you that incompetant? Running a wire has to be one of life's easiest things to do.

> WiFi is what I've used for many years, going back to before my mom

Mum. Mother isn't pronounced like moth.

> and I moved from the old neighborhood.

The ghetto?

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 by: Joel - Mon, 16 May 2022 09:21 UTC

"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>> I deliberately bought a case with no spaces for optical drives,
>> leaving my BD-RE in my old computer. It's just not needed for
>> anything, anymore.
>
>Except fixing the fucked OS. And passing several GB to a friend.

I installed Win10 from a USB drive, and could use that for physical
media to give files to someone else.

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"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 15 May 2022 22:32:55 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Nearly everything important is encrypted before it even reaches the
>>>> WiFi chip.
>>>
>>> I think it's mostly what comes "out" of your wifi chip that you have to
>>> worry about... But you're the "pro". ; )
>>
>> How is anyone going to decrypt it, to get anything of value out of it?
>> How worried about that do I need to be, in a peaceful neighborhood?
>
>Me driving past your house with a laptop.

Laughable.

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"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>>> Wifi is for phones.
>>
>> I have just as stable a connection over WiFi as I would with a wire.
>
>ROTFPMSL! The day Wifi works reliably is the day hell freezes over (I think that's one of those god phrases you morons like). Most routers can't even select an unused channel by themselves! I went to fix a neighbour's wireless and found her and both next door neighbours were all on channel 1!

Maybe your experience is such, the router we have is fine.

>> And I can't run a wire here, anyway.
>
>Are you that incompetant? Running a wire has to be one of life's easiest things to do.

That isn't the issue.

>> WiFi is what I've used for many years, going back to before my mom
>
>Mum. Mother isn't pronounced like moth.
>
>> and I moved from the old neighborhood.
>
>The ghetto?

No.

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On 2022-05-15 4:24 p.m., Joel wrote:
> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>
>>> I have just as stable a connection over WiFi as I would with a wire.
>>
>> "Stable" maybe, depending on what you mean by that, but arguably not as
>> "secure".
>
>
> Nearly everything important is encrypted before it even reaches the
> WiFi chip.

The problem is that the encryption is often broken. In the case of
Ethernet, the only way a person can actually gain access to your network
is if they were literally plugged into it. Not only is it faster, but
common sense dictates that it is more secure.

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On 2022-05-15 5:32 p.m., Joel wrote:
> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>
>>>>> I have just as stable a connection over WiFi as I would with a wire.
>>>>
>>>> "Stable" maybe, depending on what you mean by that, but arguably not as
>>>> "secure".
>>>
>>> Nearly everything important is encrypted before it even reaches the
>>> WiFi chip.
>>
>> I think it's mostly what comes "out" of your wifi chip that you have to
>> worry about... But you're the "pro". ; )
>
>
> How is anyone going to decrypt it, to get anything of value out of it?
> How worried about that do I need to be, in a peaceful neighborhood?

Very. The criminals generally target the unsuspecting.

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On 2022-05-15 9:02 p.m., Char Jackson wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2022 09:32:23 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 10:52:55 -0500, Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-05-15 10:33 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 06:23:55 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/13/2022 10:55 PM, rabidR04CH wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-05-13 10:12 p.m., Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  From this I conclude that $23 for a USB DVD Drive is a good
>>>>>>>> investment for a new computer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How the heck did you come to that conclusion based on what I said?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will enjoy using MS Office and other apps that I have on DVD, rather
>>>>>> then succumbing to the subscription model which appears to be being
>>>>>> pushed out next. You may have noticed that DVD's have been "going out of
>>>>>> style", and aren't present on many prebuilt computers. "$23" just
>>>>>> happens to be the price of the USB DVD drive that is on my Amazon wish
>>>>>> list.
>>>>
>>>> To Bill: Why is it on your wish list? $23 isn't a lot of money (at
>>>> least not to most people). Why not just buy and install it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I deliberately bought a case with no spaces for optical drives,
>>>>> leaving my BD-RE in my old computer. It's just not needed for
>>>>> anything, anymore.
>>>>
>>>> That's a giant overstatement, as far as I'm concerned. I need mine to
>>>> read the many CDs and DVDs I still have, some of which are need to
>>>> reinstall a program, should it be necessary.
>>>>
>>>> Granted, I don't use mine often, but I never know when I might need
>>>> to.
>>>>
>>>> Also granted that we're not all the same, and there are those (you
>>>> apparently, for example) who don't need it. But it's not true that
>>>> nobody needs one.
>>>>
>>>> When my new (Oct 2021) computer was built, I made sure it had a DVD
>>>> drive.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Likewise , I don't use it often but still have some utilities that I use
>>> and a a few old programs that I access so for $25.00 I will always have
>>> one installed.
>>
>>
>> Similarly, I used to always have 3.5" and 5.25" diskette drives
>> installed on the theory that I still had a bunch of old diskettes and
>> I might need one some day. After several years went by without ever
>> using either one, I stopped having them, and all my recent computers
>> haven't had any.
>>
>> The same will probably be true of DVD/CD drives one of these days, but
>> as far as I'm concerned, we're not there yet.
>
> I haven't had an optical drive installed since about 2008 but I still
> have one in a drawer, in case I ever need it. I haven't needed it, so I
> guess as far as I'm concerned we got there over a dozen years ago. ;-)
>
> I pulled out my floppy drives around 1998/1999 and I'm guessing some
> people kept theirs longer, so maybe I'm just an early adopter, or an
> early abandoner.

I still needed my optical drive (a Blu-Ray writer) until a month or two
ago but only to play the many discs of media I purchased. Now that I've
ripped the contents to digital files, the optical drive has been retired
as has the computer it was connected to. I'm glad to see it go: CDs and
DVDs were only slightly more reliable to me than floppy disks.

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rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

>I still needed my optical drive (a Blu-Ray writer) until a month or two
>ago but only to play the many discs of media I purchased. Now that I've
>ripped the contents to digital files, the optical drive has been retired
>as has the computer it was connected to. I'm glad to see it go: CDs and
>DVDs were only slightly more reliable to me than floppy disks.

Yeah, I already have all my CDDA discs ripped to MP3 or FLAC, I can
boot an OS installer from USB, optical media is simply obsolete.

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 by: Joel - Mon, 16 May 2022 12:07 UTC

rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

>> Nearly everything important is encrypted before it even reaches the
>> WiFi chip.
>
>The problem is that the encryption is often broken. In the case of
>Ethernet, the only way a person can actually gain access to your network
>is if they were literally plugged into it. Not only is it faster, but
>common sense dictates that it is more secure.

I suppose. But it wouldn't really be possible to run ethernet cables
through this house. And the WiFi is very reliable.

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On 2022-05-16 8:01 a.m., Joel wrote:
> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>
>> I still needed my optical drive (a Blu-Ray writer) until a month or two
>> ago but only to play the many discs of media I purchased. Now that I've
>> ripped the contents to digital files, the optical drive has been retired
>> as has the computer it was connected to. I'm glad to see it go: CDs and
>> DVDs were only slightly more reliable to me than floppy disks.
>
>
> Yeah, I already have all my CDDA discs ripped to MP3 or FLAC, I can
> boot an OS installer from USB, optical media is simply obsolete.

I did even better as of this weekend. I had a backup of my music on an
SD card but when I decided to retrieve it, Windows detected all of the
data as corrupted. However, I still had the music on my iPhone... which
doesn't allow you to retrieve it too easily. Solution: subscribe to
Apple Music, upload the database to the server, retrieve the same albums
in lossless or Dolby Atmos-enabled versions.

Of course, the music is only available to me so long as I pay for the
service but considering the quality I've heard so far, it's worth it.
Additionally, my favourite artists are all "experimenting" with
different sounds and their latest albums are basically only 10% good so
the subscription makes sense since it avoids me regretting purchases.

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On 2022-05-16 8:07 a.m., Joel wrote:
> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>
>>> Nearly everything important is encrypted before it even reaches the
>>> WiFi chip.
>>
>> The problem is that the encryption is often broken. In the case of
>> Ethernet, the only way a person can actually gain access to your network
>> is if they were literally plugged into it. Not only is it faster, but
>> common sense dictates that it is more secure.
>
>
> I suppose. But it wouldn't really be possible to run ethernet cables
> through this house. And the WiFi is very reliable.

When we had this town house built, we didn't ask for it but they ran
CAT5e Ethernet cables through the walls to end in six different areas of
the house. They didn't have ports but the cables were there so when I
found out, I completed the cables myself and there are now six very
reliable Ethernet entries anyone can use. Of course, she and I both
prefer the convenience of wireless.

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 by: Joel - Mon, 16 May 2022 13:39 UTC

rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

>>> I still needed my optical drive (a Blu-Ray writer) until a month or two
>>> ago but only to play the many discs of media I purchased. Now that I've
>>> ripped the contents to digital files, the optical drive has been retired
>>> as has the computer it was connected to. I'm glad to see it go: CDs and
>>> DVDs were only slightly more reliable to me than floppy disks.
>>
>> Yeah, I already have all my CDDA discs ripped to MP3 or FLAC, I can
>> boot an OS installer from USB, optical media is simply obsolete.
>
>I did even better as of this weekend. I had a backup of my music on an
>SD card but when I decided to retrieve it, Windows detected all of the
>data as corrupted. However, I still had the music on my iPhone... which
>doesn't allow you to retrieve it too easily. Solution: subscribe to
>Apple Music, upload the database to the server, retrieve the same albums
>in lossless or Dolby Atmos-enabled versions.
>
>Of course, the music is only available to me so long as I pay for the
>service but considering the quality I've heard so far, it's worth it.
>Additionally, my favourite artists are all "experimenting" with
>different sounds and their latest albums are basically only 10% good so
>the subscription makes sense since it avoids me regretting purchases.

Interesting.

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On Sun, 15 May 2022 20:02:35 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
wrote:

>On Sun, 15 May 2022 09:32:23 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 15 May 2022 10:52:55 -0500, Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 2022-05-15 10:33 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 06:23:55 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/13/2022 10:55 PM, rabidR04CH wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-05-13 10:12 p.m., Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  From this I conclude that $23 for a USB DVD Drive is a good
>>>>>>>> investment for a new computer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How the heck did you come to that conclusion based on what I said?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will enjoy using MS Office and other apps that I have on DVD, rather
>>>>>> then succumbing to the subscription model which appears to be being
>>>>>> pushed out next. You may have noticed that DVD's have been "going out of
>>>>>> style", and aren't present on many prebuilt computers. "$23" just
>>>>>> happens to be the price of the USB DVD drive that is on my Amazon wish
>>>>>> list.
>>>>
>>>> To Bill: Why is it on your wish list? $23 isn't a lot of money (at
>>>> least not to most people). Why not just buy and install it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I deliberately bought a case with no spaces for optical drives,
>>>>> leaving my BD-RE in my old computer. It's just not needed for
>>>>> anything, anymore.
>>>>
>>>> That's a giant overstatement, as far as I'm concerned. I need mine to
>>>> read the many CDs and DVDs I still have, some of which are need to
>>>> reinstall a program, should it be necessary.
>>>>
>>>> Granted, I don't use mine often, but I never know when I might need
>>>> to.
>>>>
>>>> Also granted that we're not all the same, and there are those (you
>>>> apparently, for example) who don't need it. But it's not true that
>>>> nobody needs one.
>>>>
>>>> When my new (Oct 2021) computer was built, I made sure it had a DVD
>>>> drive.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Likewise , I don't use it often but still have some utilities that I use
>>>and a a few old programs that I access so for $25.00 I will always have
>>>one installed.
>>
>>
>>Similarly, I used to always have 3.5" and 5.25" diskette drives
>>installed on the theory that I still had a bunch of old diskettes and
>>I might need one some day. After several years went by without ever
>>using either one, I stopped having them, and all my recent computers
>>haven't had any.
>>
>>The same will probably be true of DVD/CD drives one of these days, but
>>as far as I'm concerned, we're not there yet.
>
>I haven't had an optical drive installed since about 2008 but I still
>have one in a drawer, in case I ever need it.

That's just as good as far as I'm concerned.

> I haven't needed it, so I
>guess as far as I'm concerned we got there over a dozen years ago. ;-)

We're all different.

>I pulled out my floppy drives around 1998/1999 and I'm guessing some
>people kept theirs longer,

Much longer (ten or 15 years longer) for me.

Why did you pull them out? I can understand not having one in a new
computer, but how does it hurt to leave it there, even if unused?

>so maybe I'm just an early adopter, or an
>early abandoner.

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On Mon, 16 May 2022 08:37:56 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 15 May 2022 20:02:35 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 15 May 2022 09:32:23 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 15 May 2022 10:52:55 -0500, Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2022-05-15 10:33 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 06:23:55 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/13/2022 10:55 PM, rabidR04CH wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-13 10:12 p.m., Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  From this I conclude that $23 for a USB DVD Drive is a good
>>>>>>>>> investment for a new computer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How the heck did you come to that conclusion based on what I said?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will enjoy using MS Office and other apps that I have on DVD, rather
>>>>>>> then succumbing to the subscription model which appears to be being
>>>>>>> pushed out next. You may have noticed that DVD's have been "going out of
>>>>>>> style", and aren't present on many prebuilt computers. "$23" just
>>>>>>> happens to be the price of the USB DVD drive that is on my Amazon wish
>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>
>>>>> To Bill: Why is it on your wish list? $23 isn't a lot of money (at
>>>>> least not to most people). Why not just buy and install it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I deliberately bought a case with no spaces for optical drives,
>>>>>> leaving my BD-RE in my old computer. It's just not needed for
>>>>>> anything, anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a giant overstatement, as far as I'm concerned. I need mine to
>>>>> read the many CDs and DVDs I still have, some of which are need to
>>>>> reinstall a program, should it be necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Granted, I don't use mine often, but I never know when I might need
>>>>> to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also granted that we're not all the same, and there are those (you
>>>>> apparently, for example) who don't need it. But it's not true that
>>>>> nobody needs one.
>>>>>
>>>>> When my new (Oct 2021) computer was built, I made sure it had a DVD
>>>>> drive.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Likewise , I don't use it often but still have some utilities that I use
>>>>and a a few old programs that I access so for $25.00 I will always have
>>>>one installed.
>>>
>>>
>>>Similarly, I used to always have 3.5" and 5.25" diskette drives
>>>installed on the theory that I still had a bunch of old diskettes and
>>>I might need one some day. After several years went by without ever
>>>using either one, I stopped having them, and all my recent computers
>>>haven't had any.
>>>
>>>The same will probably be true of DVD/CD drives one of these days, but
>>>as far as I'm concerned, we're not there yet.
>>
>>I haven't had an optical drive installed since about 2008 but I still
>>have one in a drawer, in case I ever need it.
>
>That's just as good as far as I'm concerned.
>
>
>> I haven't needed it, so I
>>guess as far as I'm concerned we got there over a dozen years ago. ;-)
>
>
>We're all different.
>
>>I pulled out my floppy drives around 1998/1999 and I'm guessing some
>>people kept theirs longer,
>
>Much longer (ten or 15 years longer) for me.
>
>Why did you pull them out? I can understand not having one in a new
>computer, but how does it hurt to leave it there, even if unused?

A floppy drive uses a drive bay that can be better used by a hard drive,
so for me the decision was an easy one.

Re: Two GPUs, one way more power efficient? How?

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On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:35:42 -0400
rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

> When we had this town house built, we didn't ask for it but they ran
> CAT5e Ethernet cables through the walls to end in six different areas
> of the house. They didn't have ports but the cables were there so
> when I found out, I completed the cables myself and there are now six
> very reliable Ethernet entries anyone can use. Of course, she and I
> both prefer the convenience of wireless.

So you have six Ethernet sockets in various areas in the house? How
on earth do you keep track of the connections possible in such a
layout? Labels maybe.

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