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 by: Ken Blake - Thu, 19 May 2022 23:15 UTC

On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:05:39 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 19 May 2022 16:31:18 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Have you ever visited a web site? There's (potential) your way in.
>>>
>>>I am cautious about what domains I connect to.
>>
>>Me too. Being cautious minimizes the risk. That's not the same as
>>reducing the risk to zero.
>
>
>I know, it's just that at some point the probability of making a
>mistake is so close to zero, that it's not worth worrying about. I
>think it can be a matter of keeping it simple - just be on your toes,
>act wisely, and you're almost certain to be OK.

You and I might define "almost certain" somewhat differently, but at
least we're now closer to agreeing than it started out as.

If you recall, I objected to your use of the word "whatsoever" when
you wrote "I don't do risky things, whatsoever." I still say that's an
overstatement. "Almost certain" is not the same as "whatsoever." You
can never be completely sure.

I don't suggest that you should "worry about" it. But you should
always be aware of the possibility, even if it's remote.

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 by: Joel - Thu, 19 May 2022 23:18 UTC

Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

>>>>I am cautious about what domains I connect to.
>>>
>>>Me too. Being cautious minimizes the risk. That's not the same as
>>>reducing the risk to zero.
>>
>>I know, it's just that at some point the probability of making a
>>mistake is so close to zero, that it's not worth worrying about. I
>>think it can be a matter of keeping it simple - just be on your toes,
>>act wisely, and you're almost certain to be OK.
>
>You and I might define "almost certain" somewhat differently, but at
>least we're now closer to agreeing than it started out as.
>
>If you recall, I objected to your use of the word "whatsoever" when
>you wrote "I don't do risky things, whatsoever." I still say that's an
>overstatement. "Almost certain" is not the same as "whatsoever." You
>can never be completely sure.
>
>I don't suggest that you should "worry about" it. But you should
>always be aware of the possibility, even if it's remote.

It would take a highly improbable vulnerability, that I simply had no
way of knowing about or mitigating.

--
Joel Crump

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 by: Bill - Fri, 20 May 2022 01:11 UTC

On 5/19/2022 7:05 PM, Joel wrote:
> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 16:31:18 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have you ever visited a web site? There's (potential) your way in.
>>>
>>> I am cautious about what domains I connect to.
>>
>> Me too. Being cautious minimizes the risk. That's not the same as
>> reducing the risk to zero.
>
>
> I know, it's just that at some point the probability of making a
> mistake is so close to zero, that it's not worth worrying about. I
> think it can be a matter of keeping it simple - just be on your toes,
> act wisely, and you're almost certain to be OK.
>

I picked up a computer virus at a semi-popular "Internet forum" site
once. One would not have expected it. Obviously, it was introduced to
the server by a 3rd party. It was closer to 100% than 0% that this
really occurred. The only lesson to take away, I suppose, is to keep
your virus detection up to date.

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 by: Joel - Fri, 20 May 2022 02:06 UTC

Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

>I picked up a computer virus at a semi-popular "Internet forum" site
>once. One would not have expected it. Obviously, it was introduced to
>the server by a 3rd party. It was closer to 100% than 0% that this
>really occurred. The only lesson to take away, I suppose, is to keep
>your virus detection up to date.

Windows does that without me needing to do anything.

--
Joel Crump

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 by: ...winston - Fri, 20 May 2022 06:06 UTC

Ken Blake wrote:
>
> But it's never possible to be completely sure that what you are doing
> isn't risky. The only time I ever saw a virus on any of my many
> computers over the years, was some twenty or so years ago. I inserted
> a diskette that had been given to me by one of the most expert
> computer people I knew, someone who I trusted implicitly. Immediately
> my anti-virus popped up with a message telling me that the diskette
> contained a virus.
>
> I didn't run anything on the diskette, so I didn't get infected, but I
> could have if I wasn't running the anti-virus program.

>
Lol...20 yrs ago then rules out first virus identified by mankind
=> 1881 Yellow Fever
....and the Jeeper Creepers in 1971...maybe the Code Red Worm in 2001 or
the Melissa virus same time period. Though the most common spread on
diskettes 20+ yrs. ago were Macro's virii for word processing software.

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 by: ...winston - Fri, 20 May 2022 06:25 UTC

Paul wrote:
> If you have a side-mount drive bay, internals are easy to remove
> and replace. The drive bays even come with trays, so they slide
> into the bay easily.
>
>
> They also make purpose built slide-in drive systems,
> complete with a key to lock the drive in place. But you
> would not be likely to find such items as stock in 2022.
>
>    Paul

At one time I was quite supportive of having replaceable internal
drives(side or front of case) mostly because capacity of HD's were much
smaller than the amount of data, programs, etc. I needed.desired to have
archived or redundant.

With the advent of drives at reasonable prices for 1TB/2TB and larger,
the need in conjunction with getting rid of no longer needed content the
need/usefulness disappeared.
- Now a couple of 1TB SSD, 4 TB internal and 4TB USB-C external with
occasional use(quarterly for backup important records and offsite
storage) of a USB 3.x caddy(SSD and HD slot) remains more than I'll ever
need in the future.

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 by: mechanic - Fri, 20 May 2022 10:33 UTC

On Thu, 19 May 2022 17:34:38 -0400
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>
> >>>Have you ever visited a web site? There's (potential) your way in.
> >>>
> >>
> >>I am cautious about what domains I connect to.
> >
> >Doesn't matter. Most sites use 3rd party ads, and 'things happen'
> >from time to time. Bottom line, this is only one avenue of many, so
> >I'd say you're not as secure as you might think.
>
>
> In other words, you are hell-bent on having the last word, so have at
> it, boring Usenet person.
>
Valid point though, as many people assume that their setup is fine
until they are attacked. When that happens it tends to concentrate
the mind!

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 by: Joel - Fri, 20 May 2022 11:54 UTC

mechanic <mechanic@example.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 19 May 2022 17:34:38 -0400
>Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >Doesn't matter. Most sites use 3rd party ads, and 'things happen'
>> >from time to time. Bottom line, this is only one avenue of many, so
>> >I'd say you're not as secure as you might think.
>>
>> In other words, you are hell-bent on having the last word, so have at
>> it, boring Usenet person.
>>
>Valid point though, as many people assume that their setup is fine
>until they are attacked. When that happens it tends to concentrate
>the mind!

No computer connected to the Internet is 100% secure, I acknowledge.
But there's nothing I could really do to improve my odds. I don't
take chances. It would take a highly improbable kind of attack.

--
Joel Crump

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On 2022-05-19 3:02 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2022 12:02:01 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-19 11:24 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 06:48:01 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> I deliberately bought a case with no spaces for optical drives,
>>>>>>>> leaving my BD-RE in my old computer. It's just not needed for
>>>>>>>> anything, anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Except fixing the fucked OS. And passing several GB to a friend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I installed Win10 from a USB drive, and could use that for physical
>>>>>> media to give files to someone else.
>>>>>
>>>>> Show me where you can buy a large USB drive that isn't a fake. They seem to be so easy to reprogram.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a large one that I leave plugged in all the time,
>>>
>>> That's a thumb drive, so it's only one kind of USB drive, There are
>>> many *much* larger USB HDs. I have a couple that are 2TB, and some are
>>> much lager than that.
>>>
>>> As he usually does, Commander Kinsey gets whatever he says wrong.
>>> Besides being wrong about large drives always being fake, this time he
>>> says USB drive when he means USB *thumb* drive (or flash drive or pen
>>> drive, if you prefer one of those names; I prefer "thumb" drive sine
>>> that's what they were originally called). That's why he's killfiled
>>> here.
>>
>> As far as I know, he suggested that thumb drives don't store anything
>> over the first 64GB regardless of what they claim.
>
>
> No. See the quote above. He said "Show me where you can buy a large
> USB drive that isn't a fake. " He said "USB drive," not "thumb drive."
>
> And that suggestion is complete nonsense, even if he meant "thumb
> drive."

Admittedly, saying "USB drive" made the statement erroneous but yes, it
was clear that he was referring to "thumb drives" or "USB keys" as I
call them. The fact that there are some available in the 128GB variety
and possibly in 256GB immediately contradicts his statement. However, he
is right that there is a large amount of such drives being sold as
having a ridiculous capacity all the while not being able to store even
a fraction of what they claim. Disreputable brands often sell 1TB ones
which are basically just reprogrammed 16GB drives.

>> As far as I know,
>> this is only true of disreputable brands. When I had a 128GB thumb drive
>> made by Kingston, it worked just fine and storage more than 64GB regularly.
>
> Same here. I have several, made by several different companies.

I've never had trouble with Kingston and their hardware is reasonably
priced so I go to them even when I know that there are faster alternatives.

< snip >

>> He must have absolute trust in his anti-virus.
>
> But I completely disagree with that. It's foolhardy to have absolute
> trust in any anti-virus. No anti-virus is perfect, and even if it were
> perfect today, it wouldn't be perfect tomorrow. New viruses come out
> every day, and no AV software can keep up with everything that just
> came out.
>
> That's why regardless of what security software someone uses, he
> should also always practice safe hex.

That's true but anti-virus software is at least capable of detecting
illicit behaviour if ever it can't detect the virus outright. As long as
the user is purchasing decent protection from a company like McAfee or
Norton, they should be fine. For me, their identity theft protection is
of greater value than their anti-virus though.

--
rabidR04CH
Encrypt. Avoid social media. Stay sane.
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Windows 11
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On 2022-05-19 3:59 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2022 15:12:43 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That's why regardless of what security software someone uses, he
>>> should also always practice safe hex.
>>
>>
>> There's virtually no reason to worry about malicious code somehow
>> running on my computer. I don't do risky things, whatsoever.
>
>
> But it's never possible to be completely sure that what you are doing
> isn't risky. The only time I ever saw a virus on any of my many
> computers over the years, was some twenty or so years ago. I inserted
> a diskette that had been given to me by one of the most expert
> computer people I knew, someone who I trusted implicitly. Immediately
> my anti-virus popped up with a message telling me that the diskette
> contained a virus.
>
> I didn't run anything on the diskette, so I didn't get infected, but I
> could have if I wasn't running the anti-virus program.
>
> My point is that regardless of what security software we run, and how
> careful we are, none of us is ever risk free. We can certainly
> minimize the risk and make infection very unlikely, but we can never
> reduce the likelihood to zero. "Whatsoever" is too strong a word.

Gone are the days of the late 80s and early 90s where trading disks was
the norm as was getting a virus from that disk.

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On 2022-05-19 5:34 p.m., Joel wrote:
> Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>> Have you ever visited a web site? There's (potential) your way in.
>>>
>>> I am cautious about what domains I connect to.
>>
>> Doesn't matter. Most sites use 3rd party ads, and 'things happen' from
>> time to time. Bottom line, this is only one avenue of many, so I'd say
>> you're not as secure as you might think.
>
>
> In other words, you are hell-bent on having the last word, so have at
> it, boring Usenet person.

LOL.

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On 2022-05-19 7:01 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2022 16:31:18 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> I don't interfere with Windows Security scanning incoming executable
>>>> stuff, and I don't introduce questionable stuff to the system to begin
>>>> with. I apply updates religiously. There just isn't a really viable
>>>> way in, for an attacker or their code.
>>>
>>> Have you ever visited a web site? There's (potential) your way in.
>>
>>
>> I am cautious about what domains I connect to.
>
>
> Me too. Being cautious minimizes the risk. That's not the same as
> reducing the risk to zero.

If any of us is even momentarily tempted to connect to a streaming site
playing a sports event we didn't pay for, chances are that ads will be
deployed whose main objective is to infect computers. The same goes for
pornographic sites. We can be very careful, but it happens. The remedy
here is actually not the anti-virus though; you're better off simply
using a browser that blocks these ads by default to limit your exposure
to such garbage.

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On 2022-05-19 10:06 p.m., Joel wrote:
> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>
>> I picked up a computer virus at a semi-popular "Internet forum" site
>> once. One would not have expected it. Obviously, it was introduced to
>> the server by a 3rd party. It was closer to 100% than 0% that this
>> really occurred. The only lesson to take away, I suppose, is to keep
>> your virus detection up to date.
>
>
> Windows does that without me needing to do anything.

Windows does update the database, but not automatically. There have been
way too many occasions where I would connect to Windows Update and see
it install a security database which I expected that it would have
already installed through the anti-virus component. Third-party software
doesn't require you to go out and ask for an update but Microsoft's does
for whatever reason.

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rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>On 2022-05-19 10:06 p.m., Joel wrote:
>> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I picked up a computer virus at a semi-popular "Internet forum" site
>>> once. One would not have expected it. Obviously, it was introduced to
>>> the server by a 3rd party. It was closer to 100% than 0% that this
>>> really occurred. The only lesson to take away, I suppose, is to keep
>>> your virus detection up to date.
>>
>> Windows does that without me needing to do anything.
>
>Windows does update the database, but not automatically. There have been
>way too many occasions where I would connect to Windows Update and see
>it install a security database which I expected that it would have
>already installed through the anti-virus component. Third-party software
>doesn't require you to go out and ask for an update but Microsoft's does
>for whatever reason.

That's odd, I don't remember having to do that, I mean I do check
Windows Update sometimes, to be sure there isn't something optional I
want to install, but I don't think it's been anti-malware definitions.

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rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>On 2022-05-19 3:02 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 12:02:01 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-19 11:24 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 06:48:01 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I installed Win10 from a USB drive, and could use that for physical
>>>>>>> media to give files to someone else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Show me where you can buy a large USB drive that isn't a fake. They seem to be so easy to reprogram.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a large one that I leave plugged in all the time,
>>>>
>>>> That's a thumb drive, so it's only one kind of USB drive, There are
>>>> many *much* larger USB HDs. I have a couple that are 2TB, and some are
>>>> much lager than that.
>>>>
>>>> As he usually does, Commander Kinsey gets whatever he says wrong.
>>>> Besides being wrong about large drives always being fake, this time he
>>>> says USB drive when he means USB *thumb* drive (or flash drive or pen
>>>> drive, if you prefer one of those names; I prefer "thumb" drive sine
>>>> that's what they were originally called). That's why he's killfiled
>>>> here.
>>>
>>> As far as I know, he suggested that thumb drives don't store anything
>>> over the first 64GB regardless of what they claim.
>>
>> No. See the quote above. He said "Show me where you can buy a large
>> USB drive that isn't a fake. " He said "USB drive," not "thumb drive."
>>
>> And that suggestion is complete nonsense, even if he meant "thumb
>> drive."
>
>Admittedly, saying "USB drive" made the statement erroneous but yes, it
>was clear that he was referring to "thumb drives" or "USB keys" as I
>call them. The fact that there are some available in the 128GB variety
>and possibly in 256GB immediately contradicts his statement. However, he
>is right that there is a large amount of such drives being sold as
>having a ridiculous capacity all the while not being able to store even
>a fraction of what they claim. Disreputable brands often sell 1TB ones
>which are basically just reprogrammed 16GB drives.

I realize now that "USB drive" could be taken to mean an external hard
drive, or similar - but I would have specified that, if so. Thumb
drives are actually large enough, now, that they can pretty much do
the job, to back up one's important files. The large one I leave
plugged in isn't even half full.

--
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[]
>Valid point though, as many people assume that their setup is fine
>until they are attacked. When that happens it tends to concentrate
>the mind!
>
The same applies to hardware failure; definitely concentrates the mind!
(I don't _think_ I actually lost anything irretrievable, but it
certainly made me think about it more!)
>
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On 2022-05-20 8:21 a.m., Joel wrote:
> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>> On 2022-05-19 3:02 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 12:02:01 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-05-19 11:24 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 06:48:01 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I installed Win10 from a USB drive, and could use that for physical
>>>>>>>> media to give files to someone else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Show me where you can buy a large USB drive that isn't a fake. They seem to be so easy to reprogram.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a large one that I leave plugged in all the time,
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a thumb drive, so it's only one kind of USB drive, There are
>>>>> many *much* larger USB HDs. I have a couple that are 2TB, and some are
>>>>> much lager than that.
>>>>>
>>>>> As he usually does, Commander Kinsey gets whatever he says wrong.
>>>>> Besides being wrong about large drives always being fake, this time he
>>>>> says USB drive when he means USB *thumb* drive (or flash drive or pen
>>>>> drive, if you prefer one of those names; I prefer "thumb" drive sine
>>>>> that's what they were originally called). That's why he's killfiled
>>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I know, he suggested that thumb drives don't store anything
>>>> over the first 64GB regardless of what they claim.
>>>
>>> No. See the quote above. He said "Show me where you can buy a large
>>> USB drive that isn't a fake. " He said "USB drive," not "thumb drive."
>>>
>>> And that suggestion is complete nonsense, even if he meant "thumb
>>> drive."
>>
>> Admittedly, saying "USB drive" made the statement erroneous but yes, it
>> was clear that he was referring to "thumb drives" or "USB keys" as I
>> call them. The fact that there are some available in the 128GB variety
>> and possibly in 256GB immediately contradicts his statement. However, he
>> is right that there is a large amount of such drives being sold as
>> having a ridiculous capacity all the while not being able to store even
>> a fraction of what they claim. Disreputable brands often sell 1TB ones
>> which are basically just reprogrammed 16GB drives.
>
>
> I realize now that "USB drive" could be taken to mean an external hard
> drive, or similar - but I would have specified that, if so. Thumb
> drives are actually large enough, now, that they can pretty much do
> the job, to back up one's important files. The large one I leave
> plugged in isn't even half full.

I wouldn't recommend using those USB keys to back up data. For that
purpose, you're better off with a larger drive with an actual hard disk
or SSD. Those small keys tend to overheat and become unbearingly slow
when there are large transfers going on. Additionally, they aren't as
reliable as you would expect them to be at this point in time.

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 by: Joel - Fri, 20 May 2022 13:40 UTC

rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

>> I realize now that "USB drive" could be taken to mean an external hard
>> drive, or similar - but I would have specified that, if so. Thumb
>> drives are actually large enough, now, that they can pretty much do
>> the job, to back up one's important files. The large one I leave
>> plugged in isn't even half full.
>
>I wouldn't recommend using those USB keys to back up data. For that
>purpose, you're better off with a larger drive with an actual hard disk
>or SSD. Those small keys tend to overheat and become unbearingly slow
>when there are large transfers going on. Additionally, they aren't as
>reliable as you would expect them to be at this point in time.

True, I should keep using my external hard drive as a redundant
backup. You're right.

--
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On 5/20/2022 8:16 AM, Joel wrote:
> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>> On 2022-05-19 10:06 p.m., Joel wrote:
>>> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I picked up a computer virus at a semi-popular "Internet forum" site
>>>> once. One would not have expected it. Obviously, it was introduced to
>>>> the server by a 3rd party. It was closer to 100% than 0% that this
>>>> really occurred. The only lesson to take away, I suppose, is to keep
>>>> your virus detection up to date.
>>>
>>> Windows does that without me needing to do anything.
>>
>> Windows does update the database, but not automatically. There have been
>> way too many occasions where I would connect to Windows Update and see
>> it install a security database which I expected that it would have
>> already installed through the anti-virus component. Third-party software
>> doesn't require you to go out and ask for an update but Microsoft's does
>> for whatever reason.
>
>
> That's odd, I don't remember having to do that, I mean I do check
> Windows Update sometimes, to be sure there isn't something optional I
> want to install, but I don't think it's been anti-malware definitions.
>
I have a batch that runs once a day to update scanner data bases. Here
is the command for Windows defender (on one line):
C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows
Defender\Platform\<Version>\MpCmdRun.exe" -SignatureUpdate

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On 2022-05-20 9:40 a.m., Joel wrote:
> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>
>>> I realize now that "USB drive" could be taken to mean an external hard
>>> drive, or similar - but I would have specified that, if so. Thumb
>>> drives are actually large enough, now, that they can pretty much do
>>> the job, to back up one's important files. The large one I leave
>>> plugged in isn't even half full.
>>
>> I wouldn't recommend using those USB keys to back up data. For that
>> purpose, you're better off with a larger drive with an actual hard disk
>> or SSD. Those small keys tend to overheat and become unbearingly slow
>> when there are large transfers going on. Additionally, they aren't as
>> reliable as you would expect them to be at this point in time.
>
>
> True, I should keep using my external hard drive as a redundant
> backup. You're right.

I bought one of those cheap Seagate 2TB drives from Walmart and it's
still going and turned my old SSB into an external SSD too using a $10
casing I got from Canada Computers. An image of my computer is usually
on the SSD because the transfer rate is much faster than a hard disk,
even when using USB 3.0 in both cases.

--
rabidR04CH
Encrypt. Avoid social media. Stay sane.
Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Windows 11
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 by: Rene Lamontagne - Fri, 20 May 2022 14:30 UTC

On 2022-05-20 9:24 a.m., rabidR04CH wrote:
> On 2022-05-20 9:40 a.m., Joel wrote:
>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>
>>>> I realize now that "USB drive" could be taken to mean an external hard
>>>> drive, or similar - but I would have specified that, if so.  Thumb
>>>> drives are actually large enough, now, that they can pretty much do
>>>> the job, to back up one's important files.  The large one I leave
>>>> plugged in isn't even half full.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't recommend using those USB keys to back up data. For that
>>> purpose, you're better off with a larger drive with an actual hard disk
>>> or SSD. Those small keys tend to overheat and become unbearingly slow
>>> when there are large transfers going on. Additionally, they aren't as
>>> reliable as you would expect them to be at this point in time.
>>
>>
>> True, I should keep using my external hard drive as a redundant
>> backup.  You're right.
>
> I bought one of those cheap Seagate 2TB drives from Walmart and it's
> still going and turned my old SSB into an external SSD too using a $10
> casing I got from Canada Computers. An image of my computer is usually
> on the SSD because the transfer rate is much faster than a hard disk,
> even when using USB 3.0 in both cases.
>
>

Isn't it time to close this thread and start one with some relevance?

Rene

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On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:18:02 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>I am cautious about what domains I connect to.
>>>>
>>>>Me too. Being cautious minimizes the risk. That's not the same as
>>>>reducing the risk to zero.
>>>
>>>I know, it's just that at some point the probability of making a
>>>mistake is so close to zero, that it's not worth worrying about. I
>>>think it can be a matter of keeping it simple - just be on your toes,
>>>act wisely, and you're almost certain to be OK.
>>
>>You and I might define "almost certain" somewhat differently, but at
>>least we're now closer to agreeing than it started out as.
>>
>>If you recall, I objected to your use of the word "whatsoever" when
>>you wrote "I don't do risky things, whatsoever." I still say that's an
>>overstatement. "Almost certain" is not the same as "whatsoever." You
>>can never be completely sure.
>>
>>I don't suggest that you should "worry about" it. But you should
>>always be aware of the possibility, even if it's remote.
>
>
>It would take a highly improbable vulnerability, that I simply had no
>way of knowing about or mitigating.

Yes and yes.

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Joel wrote:
> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>> On 2022-05-19 10:06 p.m., Joel wrote:
>>> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I picked up a computer virus at a semi-popular "Internet forum" site
>>>> once. One would not have expected it. Obviously, it was introduced to
>>>> the server by a 3rd party. It was closer to 100% than 0% that this
>>>> really occurred. The only lesson to take away, I suppose, is to keep
>>>> your virus detection up to date.
>>>
>>> Windows does that without me needing to do anything.
>>
>> Windows does update the database, but not automatically. There have been
>> way too many occasions where I would connect to Windows Update and see
>> it install a security database which I expected that it would have
>> already installed through the anti-virus component. Third-party software
>> doesn't require you to go out and ask for an update but Microsoft's does
>> for whatever reason.
>
>
> That's odd, I don't remember having to do that, I mean I do check
> Windows Update sometimes, to be sure there isn't something optional I
> want to install, but I don't think it's been anti-malware definitions.
>
Most don't have to do that.

Windows Security typically unless a need exists provides updates on a
periodic pattern - at one time it was approx. 3x per day. The
latest[1.367.210.0] updates were today, May 20. On May 20 through the
time of this reply, 7 def updates were released.
Updates are deployed automatically via Windows Update or triggered
manually via 'Check for Updates' in the Virus and Threat Protection UI
screen or manually download/install from the 'Windows Security
Intelligence Updates' web site.

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 by: Ken Blake - Fri, 20 May 2022 18:00 UTC

On Thu, 19 May 2022 22:06:02 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
>
>>I picked up a computer virus at a semi-popular "Internet forum" site
>>once. One would not have expected it. Obviously, it was introduced to
>>the server by a 3rd party. It was closer to 100% than 0% that this
>>really occurred. The only lesson to take away, I suppose, is to keep
>>your virus detection up to date.
>
>
>Windows does that without me needing to do anything.

But everyone needs to remember that no anti-virus is perfect, and even
if it were perfect today, it wouldn't be perfect tomorrow. New
infections come out every day, and no program can keep up with them.
It's still necessary to be cautious.

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 by: Ken Blake - Fri, 20 May 2022 18:07 UTC

On Fri, 20 May 2022 08:01:04 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

>On 2022-05-19 3:02 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 12:02:01 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-05-19 11:24 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 06:48:01 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I deliberately bought a case with no spaces for optical drives,
>>>>>>>>> leaving my BD-RE in my old computer. It's just not needed for
>>>>>>>>> anything, anymore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Except fixing the fucked OS. And passing several GB to a friend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I installed Win10 from a USB drive, and could use that for physical
>>>>>>> media to give files to someone else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Show me where you can buy a large USB drive that isn't a fake. They seem to be so easy to reprogram.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a large one that I leave plugged in all the time,
>>>>
>>>> That's a thumb drive, so it's only one kind of USB drive, There are
>>>> many *much* larger USB HDs. I have a couple that are 2TB, and some are
>>>> much lager than that.
>>>>
>>>> As he usually does, Commander Kinsey gets whatever he says wrong.
>>>> Besides being wrong about large drives always being fake, this time he
>>>> says USB drive when he means USB *thumb* drive (or flash drive or pen
>>>> drive, if you prefer one of those names; I prefer "thumb" drive sine
>>>> that's what they were originally called). That's why he's killfiled
>>>> here.
>>>
>>> As far as I know, he suggested that thumb drives don't store anything
>>> over the first 64GB regardless of what they claim.
>>
>>
>> No. See the quote above. He said "Show me where you can buy a large
>> USB drive that isn't a fake. " He said "USB drive," not "thumb drive."
>>
>> And that suggestion is complete nonsense, even if he meant "thumb
>> drive."
>
>Admittedly, saying "USB drive" made the statement erroneous but yes, it
>was clear that he was referring to "thumb drives" or "USB keys" as I
>call them.

Clear to you, not to me. But I admit that after rereading his message,
I thought that was probably what he meant.

The fact that there are some available in the 128GB variety
>and possibly in 256GB immediately contradicts his statement. However, he
>is right that there is a large amount of such drives being sold as
>having a ridiculous capacity all the while not being able to store even
>a fraction of what they claim. Disreputable brands often sell 1TB ones
>which are basically just reprogrammed 16GB drives.
>
>>> As far as I know,
>>> this is only true of disreputable brands. When I had a 128GB thumb drive
>>> made by Kingston, it worked just fine and storage more than 64GB regularly.
>>
>> Same here. I have several, made by several different companies.
>
>I've never had trouble with Kingston and their hardware is reasonably
>priced so I go to them even when I know that there are faster alternatives.
>
>< snip >
>
>>> He must have absolute trust in his anti-virus.
>>
>> But I completely disagree with that. It's foolhardy to have absolute
>> trust in any anti-virus. No anti-virus is perfect, and even if it were
>> perfect today, it wouldn't be perfect tomorrow. New viruses come out
>> every day, and no AV software can keep up with everything that just
>> came out.
>>
>> That's why regardless of what security software someone uses, he
>> should also always practice safe hex.
>
>That's true but anti-virus software is at least capable of detecting
>illicit behaviour if ever it can't detect the virus outright. As long as
>the user is purchasing decent protection from a company like McAfee or
>Norton, they should be fine.

I disagree. As far as I'm concerned, despite their popularity, McAfee
and Norton are two of the poorest antivirus programs. Moreover I
disagree that any anti-virus program is ever completely fine. The best
ones minimize risk; they don't eliminate it.

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