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 by: Ken Blake - Fri, 20 May 2022 18:11 UTC

On Fri, 20 May 2022 08:21:57 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>On 2022-05-19 3:02 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 12:02:01 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-05-19 11:24 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 06:48:01 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I installed Win10 from a USB drive, and could use that for physical
>>>>>>>> media to give files to someone else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Show me where you can buy a large USB drive that isn't a fake. They seem to be so easy to reprogram.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a large one that I leave plugged in all the time,
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a thumb drive, so it's only one kind of USB drive, There are
>>>>> many *much* larger USB HDs. I have a couple that are 2TB, and some are
>>>>> much lager than that.
>>>>>
>>>>> As he usually does, Commander Kinsey gets whatever he says wrong.
>>>>> Besides being wrong about large drives always being fake, this time he
>>>>> says USB drive when he means USB *thumb* drive (or flash drive or pen
>>>>> drive, if you prefer one of those names; I prefer "thumb" drive sine
>>>>> that's what they were originally called). That's why he's killfiled
>>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I know, he suggested that thumb drives don't store anything
>>>> over the first 64GB regardless of what they claim.
>>>
>>> No. See the quote above. He said "Show me where you can buy a large
>>> USB drive that isn't a fake. " He said "USB drive," not "thumb drive."
>>>
>>> And that suggestion is complete nonsense, even if he meant "thumb
>>> drive."
>>
>>Admittedly, saying "USB drive" made the statement erroneous but yes, it
>>was clear that he was referring to "thumb drives" or "USB keys" as I
>>call them. The fact that there are some available in the 128GB variety
>>and possibly in 256GB immediately contradicts his statement. However, he
>>is right that there is a large amount of such drives being sold as
>>having a ridiculous capacity all the while not being able to store even
>>a fraction of what they claim. Disreputable brands often sell 1TB ones
>>which are basically just reprogrammed 16GB drives.
>
>
>I realize now that "USB drive" could be taken to mean an external hard
>drive, or similar - but I would have specified that, if so.

As far as I'm concerned, nobody should ever just say "USB drive." What
kind of USB drive it is should always be specified. If it's not
specified, there's always a risk of confusing people.

>Thumb
>drives are actually large enough, now, that they can pretty much do
>the job, to back up one's important files.

For some people, yes; for others, no. Some people's important files
are too numerous or too big to fit on the largest thumb drive.

>The large one I leave
>plugged in isn't even half full.

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On Fri, 20 May 2022 09:38:54 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

>On 2022-05-20 8:21 a.m., Joel wrote:
>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-19 3:02 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 12:02:01 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-05-19 11:24 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 06:48:01 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I installed Win10 from a USB drive, and could use that for physical
>>>>>>>>> media to give files to someone else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Show me where you can buy a large USB drive that isn't a fake. They seem to be so easy to reprogram.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a large one that I leave plugged in all the time,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a thumb drive, so it's only one kind of USB drive, There are
>>>>>> many *much* larger USB HDs. I have a couple that are 2TB, and some are
>>>>>> much lager than that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As he usually does, Commander Kinsey gets whatever he says wrong.
>>>>>> Besides being wrong about large drives always being fake, this time he
>>>>>> says USB drive when he means USB *thumb* drive (or flash drive or pen
>>>>>> drive, if you prefer one of those names; I prefer "thumb" drive sine
>>>>>> that's what they were originally called). That's why he's killfiled
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I know, he suggested that thumb drives don't store anything
>>>>> over the first 64GB regardless of what they claim.
>>>>
>>>> No. See the quote above. He said "Show me where you can buy a large
>>>> USB drive that isn't a fake. " He said "USB drive," not "thumb drive."
>>>>
>>>> And that suggestion is complete nonsense, even if he meant "thumb
>>>> drive."
>>>
>>> Admittedly, saying "USB drive" made the statement erroneous but yes, it
>>> was clear that he was referring to "thumb drives" or "USB keys" as I
>>> call them. The fact that there are some available in the 128GB variety
>>> and possibly in 256GB immediately contradicts his statement. However, he
>>> is right that there is a large amount of such drives being sold as
>>> having a ridiculous capacity all the while not being able to store even
>>> a fraction of what they claim. Disreputable brands often sell 1TB ones
>>> which are basically just reprogrammed 16GB drives.
>>
>>
>> I realize now that "USB drive" could be taken to mean an external hard
>> drive, or similar - but I would have specified that, if so. Thumb
>> drives are actually large enough, now, that they can pretty much do
>> the job, to back up one's important files. The large one I leave
>> plugged in isn't even half full.
>
>I wouldn't recommend using those USB keys to back up data. For that
>purpose, you're better off with a larger drive with an actual hard disk
>or SSD. Those small keys tend to overheat and become unbearingly slow
>when there are large transfers going on. Additionally, they aren't as
>reliable as you would expect them to be at this point in time.

I agree.

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 by: rabidR04CH - Fri, 20 May 2022 19:15 UTC

On 2022-05-20 2:07 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
> On Fri, 20 May 2022 08:01:04 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-19 3:02 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 12:02:01 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-05-19 11:24 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 06:48:01 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I deliberately bought a case with no spaces for optical drives,
>>>>>>>>>> leaving my BD-RE in my old computer. It's just not needed for
>>>>>>>>>> anything, anymore.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Except fixing the fucked OS. And passing several GB to a friend.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I installed Win10 from a USB drive, and could use that for physical
>>>>>>>> media to give files to someone else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Show me where you can buy a large USB drive that isn't a fake. They seem to be so easy to reprogram.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a large one that I leave plugged in all the time,
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a thumb drive, so it's only one kind of USB drive, There are
>>>>> many *much* larger USB HDs. I have a couple that are 2TB, and some are
>>>>> much lager than that.
>>>>>
>>>>> As he usually does, Commander Kinsey gets whatever he says wrong.
>>>>> Besides being wrong about large drives always being fake, this time he
>>>>> says USB drive when he means USB *thumb* drive (or flash drive or pen
>>>>> drive, if you prefer one of those names; I prefer "thumb" drive sine
>>>>> that's what they were originally called). That's why he's killfiled
>>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I know, he suggested that thumb drives don't store anything
>>>> over the first 64GB regardless of what they claim.
>>>
>>>
>>> No. See the quote above. He said "Show me where you can buy a large
>>> USB drive that isn't a fake. " He said "USB drive," not "thumb drive."
>>>
>>> And that suggestion is complete nonsense, even if he meant "thumb
>>> drive."
>>
>> Admittedly, saying "USB drive" made the statement erroneous but yes, it
>> was clear that he was referring to "thumb drives" or "USB keys" as I
>> call them.
>
> Clear to you, not to me. But I admit that after rereading his message,
> I thought that was probably what he meant.

I think that most people who read the post knew very well what he meant.
I suspect that you're purposefully being obtuse.

< snip >

>>>> He must have absolute trust in his anti-virus.
>>>
>>> But I completely disagree with that. It's foolhardy to have absolute
>>> trust in any anti-virus. No anti-virus is perfect, and even if it were
>>> perfect today, it wouldn't be perfect tomorrow. New viruses come out
>>> every day, and no AV software can keep up with everything that just
>>> came out.
>>>
>>> That's why regardless of what security software someone uses, he
>>> should also always practice safe hex.
>>
>> That's true but anti-virus software is at least capable of detecting
>> illicit behaviour if ever it can't detect the virus outright. As long as
>> the user is purchasing decent protection from a company like McAfee or
>> Norton, they should be fine.
>
> I disagree. As far as I'm concerned, despite their popularity, McAfee
> and Norton are two of the poorest antivirus programs. Moreover I
> disagree that any anti-virus program is ever completely fine. The best
> ones minimize risk; they don't eliminate it.

Except that you are wholly incorrect in your assessment. McAfee and
Norton both routinely rank at the very top when it comes to virus
protection. According to
<https://www.av-test.org/en/antivirus/home-windows/>, McAfee gets three
perfect 6 scores as does Norton. If any person here has either installed
on their system, they're as well protected as they can be even though
caution is still recommended.

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Ken Blake wrote:
> On Fri, 20 May 2022 08:21:57 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-19 3:02 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 12:02:01 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-05-19 11:24 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 06:48:01 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I installed Win10 from a USB drive, and could use that for physical
>>>>>>>>> media to give files to someone else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Show me where you can buy a large USB drive that isn't a fake. They seem to be so easy to reprogram.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a large one that I leave plugged in all the time,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a thumb drive, so it's only one kind of USB drive, There are
>>>>>> many *much* larger USB HDs. I have a couple that are 2TB, and some are
>>>>>> much lager than that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As he usually does, Commander Kinsey gets whatever he says wrong.
>>>>>> Besides being wrong about large drives always being fake, this time he
>>>>>> says USB drive when he means USB *thumb* drive (or flash drive or pen
>>>>>> drive, if you prefer one of those names; I prefer "thumb" drive sine
>>>>>> that's what they were originally called). That's why he's killfiled
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I know, he suggested that thumb drives don't store anything
>>>>> over the first 64GB regardless of what they claim.
>>>>
>>>> No. See the quote above. He said "Show me where you can buy a large
>>>> USB drive that isn't a fake. " He said "USB drive," not "thumb drive."
>>>>
>>>> And that suggestion is complete nonsense, even if he meant "thumb
>>>> drive."
>>>
>>> Admittedly, saying "USB drive" made the statement erroneous but yes, it
>>> was clear that he was referring to "thumb drives" or "USB keys" as I
>>> call them. The fact that there are some available in the 128GB variety
>>> and possibly in 256GB immediately contradicts his statement. However, he
>>> is right that there is a large amount of such drives being sold as
>>> having a ridiculous capacity all the while not being able to store even
>>> a fraction of what they claim. Disreputable brands often sell 1TB ones
>>> which are basically just reprogrammed 16GB drives.
>>
>>
>> I realize now that "USB drive" could be taken to mean an external hard
>> drive, or similar - but I would have specified that, if so.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, nobody should ever just say "USB drive." What
> kind of USB drive it is should always be specified. If it's not
> specified, there's always a risk of confusing people.
>
>> Thumb
>> drives are actually large enough, now, that they can pretty much do
>> the job, to back up one's important files.
>
> For some people, yes; for others, no. Some people's important files
> are too numerous or too big to fit on the largest thumb drive.
>
>> The large one I leave
>> plugged in isn't even half full.

Important files is a wide spectrum.
For most consumers, music and pictures are the normally the largest in
storage requirements.
- in those cases redundant backup to spare internal or external media
with proper sized SSD/HD is warranted.

Excluding music, pictures, video data the balanc of the
form(spreadsheet, word processing, pdf, scanned etc.) covering just
about every other category(tax, financial, trust, estate, legal, home,
mortgage, auto, identification, etc.) rarely amounts to storage capacity
beyond 1 TB and often not even close to 15-50% of 1 TB.
- While the same applies, backup to spare internal and external media
and supplement with offline storage/archive location(safe, safe deposit)
I've yet to come across few consumers that need more than one or two
128 GB thumb drives/SSD's - for everything and still have spare storage
space.
* Agreed, thumb drives may not be the best source(lost, damaged,
misplaced, failure rate) but 'not being too big' is actually quite
rare(once one gets past the music, pictures, video)
e.g. SanDisk Extreme Pro 3.2 USB Solid State Flash Drives are
available in 128, 256, 512 and 1 TB sizes from Western Digital, Amazon
or optionally if nixing the thumb/flash type drives there are portable
1TB SSD USB 3.2(external Solid State from Crucial in 500GB, and/or 1, 2,
4 TB)

In the long run, it eventually boils down to preference and pocketbook
for need, intent and comfort.

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Ken Blake wrote:
> On Fri, 20 May 2022 08:01:04 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-19 3:02 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 12:02:01 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-05-19 11:24 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 06:48:01 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I deliberately bought a case with no spaces for optical drives,
>>>>>>>>>> leaving my BD-RE in my old computer. It's just not needed for
>>>>>>>>>> anything, anymore.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Except fixing the fucked OS. And passing several GB to a friend.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I installed Win10 from a USB drive, and could use that for physical
>>>>>>>> media to give files to someone else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Show me where you can buy a large USB drive that isn't a fake. They seem to be so easy to reprogram.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a large one that I leave plugged in all the time,
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a thumb drive, so it's only one kind of USB drive, There are
>>>>> many *much* larger USB HDs. I have a couple that are 2TB, and some are
>>>>> much lager than that.
>>>>>
>>>>> As he usually does, Commander Kinsey gets whatever he says wrong.
>>>>> Besides being wrong about large drives always being fake, this time he
>>>>> says USB drive when he means USB *thumb* drive (or flash drive or pen
>>>>> drive, if you prefer one of those names; I prefer "thumb" drive sine
>>>>> that's what they were originally called). That's why he's killfiled
>>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I know, he suggested that thumb drives don't store anything
>>>> over the first 64GB regardless of what they claim.
>>>
>>>
>>> No. See the quote above. He said "Show me where you can buy a large
>>> USB drive that isn't a fake. " He said "USB drive," not "thumb drive."
>>>
>>> And that suggestion is complete nonsense, even if he meant "thumb
>>> drive."
>>
>> Admittedly, saying "USB drive" made the statement erroneous but yes, it
>> was clear that he was referring to "thumb drives" or "USB keys" as I
>> call them.
>
> Clear to you, not to me. But I admit that after rereading his message,
> I thought that was probably what he meant.
>
>
> The fact that there are some available in the 128GB variety
>> and possibly in 256GB immediately contradicts his statement. However, he
>> is right that there is a large amount of such drives being sold as
>> having a ridiculous capacity all the while not being able to store even
>> a fraction of what they claim. Disreputable brands often sell 1TB ones
>> which are basically just reprogrammed 16GB drives.
>>
>>>> As far as I know,
>>>> this is only true of disreputable brands. When I had a 128GB thumb drive
>>>> made by Kingston, it worked just fine and storage more than 64GB regularly.
>>>
>>> Same here. I have several, made by several different companies.
>>
>> I've never had trouble with Kingston and their hardware is reasonably
>> priced so I go to them even when I know that there are faster alternatives.
>>
>> < snip >
>>
>>>> He must have absolute trust in his anti-virus.
>>>
>>> But I completely disagree with that. It's foolhardy to have absolute
>>> trust in any anti-virus. No anti-virus is perfect, and even if it were
>>> perfect today, it wouldn't be perfect tomorrow. New viruses come out
>>> every day, and no AV software can keep up with everything that just
>>> came out.
>>>
>>> That's why regardless of what security software someone uses, he
>>> should also always practice safe hex.
>>
>> That's true but anti-virus software is at least capable of detecting
>> illicit behaviour if ever it can't detect the virus outright. As long as
>> the user is purchasing decent protection from a company like McAfee or
>> Norton, they should be fine.
>
> I disagree. As far as I'm concerned, despite their popularity, McAfee
> and Norton are two of the poorest antivirus programs. Moreover I
> disagree that any anti-virus program is ever completely fine. The best
> ones minimize risk; they don't eliminate it.
>

While I wouldn't recommend Norton or McAfee it's long past good or poor
- the technology for monitoring, deploying defs, and protection has
reached the point of near equality when placed in use and update
engine/def maintained.
That equality extends to the free and subscription products.
Norton and McAfee like many other products(some that used to be free)
are subscription based.
If using Windows 10/11 and practicing safe computing the included
Windows Security meets consumer needs.
- The number of free AV for Windows is limited(Avast is one and Total
AV has a free version but it's a stripped down version only providing
scan and malware removal not real-time protection
(i.e. Windows Security for most is logical choice.

Good or Poor - maybe applied a decade ago, today...not so much.

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On Thu, 19 May 2022 17:15:47 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>> If Micro Center is putting their name on the product, that gives me
>>> some assurance that it's worth buying, though. I found a great price
>>> on it, and trusted it would work.
>>
>> How do you know it was them that put their name on it? I've got an HP USB stick here that failed. I doubt HP made it.
>
> Micro Center was selling it through Amazon. It's reputable.

If it really is Micro Centre.

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On Wed, 18 May 2022 02:14:53 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

> On 2022-05-17 7:12 p.m., Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 09:54:53 +0100, mechanic <mechanic@example.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:35:42 -0400
>>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When we had this town house built, we didn't ask for it but they ran
>>>> CAT5e Ethernet cables through the walls to end in six different areas
>>>> of the house. They didn't have ports but the cables were there so
>>>> when I found out, I completed the cables myself and there are now six
>>>> very reliable Ethernet entries anyone can use. Of course, she and I
>>>> both prefer the convenience of wireless.
>>>
>>> So you have six Ethernet sockets in various areas in the house? How
>>> on earth do you keep track of the connections possible in such a
>>> layout? Labels maybe.
>>
>> I've added multiple Ethernet jacks to each of my last 3 homes. I didn't
>> know there was a possibility for confusion. I just 'home run' all of the
>> cables back to a single convenient spot, preferably in my office, but
>> two houses ago my office wasn't practical so I pulled the cables to the
>> furnace/laundry room in the basement. Once the cables have been pulled
>> and properly terminated, simply connecting an 8-port switch at the
>> common point lights everything up.
>
> I seem to have missed the original message from mechanic. When I first
> made the connectors, I had to test them and didn't actually know where
> any of the cables led to. In a tall town house like mine, that results
> in me running up to three flights of stairs and testing to see if
> there's a signal every time I plug in a cable. When I was able to
> determine which cable went where, I put cheap labels (basically just
> green painter's tape) around the cables with a word to tell me where it
> went (Mezz for Mezzanine, Living for Living Room and so on).

Ooooh a Mezzanine! What is this a palace?

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On Wed, 18 May 2022 04:13:45 +0100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On 5/17/2022 9:14 PM, rabidR04CH wrote:
>> On 2022-05-17 7:12 p.m., Char Jackson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 09:54:53 +0100, mechanic <mechanic@example.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:35:42 -0400
>>>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When we had this town house built, we didn't ask for it but they ran
>>>>> CAT5e Ethernet cables through the walls to end in six different areas
>>>>> of the house. They didn't have ports but the cables were there so
>>>>> when I found out, I completed the cables myself and there are now six
>>>>> very reliable Ethernet entries anyone can use. Of course, she and I
>>>>> both prefer the convenience of wireless.
>>>>
>>>> So you have six Ethernet sockets in various areas in the house? How
>>>> on earth do you keep track of the connections possible in such a
>>>> layout? Labels maybe.
>>>
>>> I've added multiple Ethernet jacks to each of my last 3 homes. I didn't
>>> know there was a possibility for confusion. I just 'home run' all of the
>>> cables back to a single convenient spot, preferably in my office, but
>>> two houses ago my office wasn't practical so I pulled the cables to the
>>> furnace/laundry room in the basement. Once the cables have been pulled
>>> and properly terminated, simply connecting an 8-port switch at the
>>> common point lights everything up.
>>
>> I seem to have missed the original message from mechanic. When I first made the connectors, I had to test them and didn't actually know where any of the cables led to. In a tall town house like mine, that results in me running up to three flights of stairs and testing to see if there's a signal every time I plug in a cable. When I was able to determine which cable went where, I put cheap labels (basically just green painter's tape) around the cables with a word to tell me where it went (Mezz for Mezzanine, Living for Living Room and so on).
>>
>
> Normally, there's some topology to the wiring plan.
>
> A star (like Char describes, suited to use with an 8-port switch).
>
> A mesh (maybe for someone too cheap to buy a switch :-) )
> An electrician will not volunteer to do a mesh.

Uh.... a switch is 20 dollars. A mesh is a lot of wire and how on earth do you tell the computer which wire to use?

> Perhaps a ring topology. Room1 to Room2. Room2 to Room3. Room3 to Room1.
> Do network sharing from a master machine. Requires lots of machines
> to remain running.

Or use coax!

> A few wires run vertically in a tall building, could be
> used to connect Access Points from the broadband modem
> in the basement.
>
> But someone has to have a rationale and a plan, to be
> running wires. Electricians want their wires to follow
> the ribs of the building, in a way that is easy to do
> and makes sense. If the user asks to "make spaghetti",
> the electrician is going to give the customer the
> "evil eye".

You can connect anything to anywhere, just go under the floor or into the attic.

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On Wed, 18 May 2022 15:40:32 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

> On 2022-05-17 11:13 p.m., Paul wrote:
>> On 5/17/2022 9:14 PM, rabidR04CH wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-17 7:12 p.m., Char Jackson wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 09:54:53 +0100, mechanic <mechanic@example.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:35:42 -0400
>>>>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> When we had this town house built, we didn't ask for it but they ran
>>>>>> CAT5e Ethernet cables through the walls to end in six different areas
>>>>>> of the house. They didn't have ports but the cables were there so
>>>>>> when I found out, I completed the cables myself and there are now six
>>>>>> very reliable Ethernet entries anyone can use. Of course, she and I
>>>>>> both prefer the convenience of wireless.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you have six Ethernet sockets in various areas in the house? How
>>>>> on earth do you keep track of the connections possible in such a
>>>>> layout? Labels maybe.
>>>>
>>>> I've added multiple Ethernet jacks to each of my last 3 homes. I didn't
>>>> know there was a possibility for confusion. I just 'home run' all of the
>>>> cables back to a single convenient spot, preferably in my office, but
>>>> two houses ago my office wasn't practical so I pulled the cables to the
>>>> furnace/laundry room in the basement. Once the cables have been pulled
>>>> and properly terminated, simply connecting an 8-port switch at the
>>>> common point lights everything up.
>>>
>>> I seem to have missed the original message from mechanic. When I first
>>> made the connectors, I had to test them and didn't actually know where
>>> any of the cables led to. In a tall town house like mine, that results
>>> in me running up to three flights of stairs and testing to see if
>>> there's a signal every time I plug in a cable. When I was able to
>>> determine which cable went where, I put cheap labels (basically just
>>> green painter's tape) around the cables with a word to tell me where
>>> it went (Mezz for Mezzanine, Living for Living Room and so on).
>>>
>>
>> Normally, there's some topology to the wiring plan.
>>
>> A star (like Char describes, suited to use with an 8-port switch).
>>
>> A mesh (maybe for someone too cheap to buy a switch :-) )
>> An electrician will not volunteer to do a mesh.
>>
>> Perhaps a ring topology. Room1 to Room2. Room2 to Room3. Room3 to Room1.
>> Do network sharing from a master machine. Requires lots of machines
>> to remain running.
>>
>> A few wires run vertically in a tall building, could be
>> used to connect Access Points from the broadband modem
>> in the basement.
>>
>> But someone has to have a rationale and a plan, to be
>> running wires. Electricians want their wires to follow
>> the ribs of the building, in a way that is easy to do
>> and makes sense. If the user asks to "make spaghetti",
>> the electrician is going to give the customer the
>> "evil eye".
>
> The cables in this town house were basically installed while the house
> was being built so it was only logical that they would go from bottom to
> top. All of them were set up to end in the garage where the cable and
> telephone entrances are from the outside and one wire goes to the
> basement, one to the living room, one to each bedroom (3) and one to the
> upstairs mezzanine. The set-up makes sense and allowed me to create a
> decent extension to the wireless signal when the original router our ISP
> provided us showed that its coverage was awful.

I've yet to see a wireless that can go through more than a couple of walls. Then you start trying to extend with more transmitters and they all interfere with each other.

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On Wed, 18 May 2022 19:02:03 +0100, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 May 2022 02:39:58 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 5/18/2022 1:30 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> An electrician to pull Ethernet cables? I don't think they'd take a job
>>> like that, at least not that I've heard of. There are AV specialists or
>>> security folks who'll run cables, but it's not a difficult task (in my
>>> limited experience) so I just do it myself.
>>
>> I was thinking along the line of house construction, and
>> asking an electrician to install Ethernet at the same time
>> as the rest of the electrical panel and wiring.
>
> The problem is that it's just the wrong trade. Electricians only want to
> do electrical work, and this isn't that.

Yes it is, it's running a cable. You can put the socket on the end when they've done the legwork.

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On Thu, 19 May 2022 16:24:38 +0100, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 May 2022 06:48:01 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I deliberately bought a case with no spaces for optical drives,
>>>>>> leaving my BD-RE in my old computer. It's just not needed for
>>>>>> anything, anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except fixing the fucked OS. And passing several GB to a friend.
>>>>
>>>> I installed Win10 from a USB drive, and could use that for physical
>>>> media to give files to someone else.
>>>
>>> Show me where you can buy a large USB drive that isn't a fake. They seem to be so easy to reprogram.
>>
>> I have a large one that I leave plugged in all the time,
>
> That's a thumb drive, so it's only one kind of USB drive, There are
> many *much* larger USB HDs. I have a couple that are 2TB, and some are
> much lager than that.

Who uses those?

> As he usually does, Commander Kinsey gets whatever he says wrong.
> Besides being wrong about large drives always being fake, this time he
> says USB drive when he means USB *thumb* drive (or flash drive or pen
> drive, if you prefer one of those names; I prefer "thumb" drive sine
> that's what they were originally called).

Oh I'm sorry for not taking your pathetic OCD into account. It's fucking obvious what drive I meant.

> That's why he's killfiled here.

No I'm not, or you wouldn't be able to read what I wrote you fucking idiot. Really? A barefaced lie right in front of me? The evidence is right here. You read what I wrote!!! The message you claim was deleted!!!

>> that has all my files backed up to it.
>
> Dangerous, as far as I'm concerned. A virus attack could destroy
> everything on all attached drives.

Pathetic pessimism.

> And if your computer is stolen, the
> thief is likely to also take everything plugged in.

Now that is true. Or a fire. Backups should be hidden from view and in the other end of the building, or preferably another one.

>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09H2ZKCC6/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00
>>
>> I also have a few smaller ones for making OS installers.
>
> The largest thumb drive I have is 128GB, but I have another dozen or
> so smaller thumb drives.

I've now got 50. 2TB they claimed. Best I got was 64GB. Oh well they were all free.

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On Thu, 19 May 2022 17:02:01 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

> On 2022-05-19 11:24 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 06:48:01 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> I deliberately bought a case with no spaces for optical drives,
>>>>>>> leaving my BD-RE in my old computer. It's just not needed for
>>>>>>> anything, anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except fixing the fucked OS. And passing several GB to a friend.
>>>>>
>>>>> I installed Win10 from a USB drive, and could use that for physical
>>>>> media to give files to someone else.
>>>>
>>>> Show me where you can buy a large USB drive that isn't a fake. They seem to be so easy to reprogram.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a large one that I leave plugged in all the time,
>>
>> That's a thumb drive, so it's only one kind of USB drive, There are
>> many *much* larger USB HDs. I have a couple that are 2TB, and some are
>> much lager than that.
>>
>> As he usually does, Commander Kinsey gets whatever he says wrong.
>> Besides being wrong about large drives always being fake, this time he
>> says USB drive when he means USB *thumb* drive (or flash drive or pen
>> drive, if you prefer one of those names; I prefer "thumb" drive sine
>> that's what they were originally called). That's why he's killfiled
>> here.
>
> As far as I know, he suggested that thumb drives don't store anything
> over the first 64GB regardless of what they claim. As far as I know,
> this is only true of disreputable brands. When I had a 128GB thumb drive
> made by Kingston, it worked just fine and storage more than 64GB regularly.

The trouble is you have to know Kingston actually made it. I've got a "Kingston" one right here which is a fake, wanna see a picture? Inscribed with the logo and everything.

>>> that has all my files backed up to it.
>>
>> Dangerous, as far as I'm concerned. A virus attack could destroy
>> everything on all attached drives. And if your computer is stolen, the
>> thief is likely to also take everything plugged in.
>
> Agreed wholeheartedly here. He must have absolute trust in his anti-virus.

And intelligence not to install viruses. I get pirate software all the time and have never had a virus do anything bad.

>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09H2ZKCC6/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00
>>>
>>> I also have a few smaller ones for making OS installers.
>>
>> The largest thumb drive I have is 128GB, but I have another dozen or
>> so smaller thumb drives.
>
> I'Ve retired most of mine since they were never all too reliable anyway.

I used to get given a lot that had been sat on, stood on, dropped in a puddle, run over by a bicycle, etc. Never managed to get anything off them. When they die they just give up.

> They're still in my bag in case I want to put a Linux ISO onto one and
> boot onto it to try it out but I much prefer direct and cloud storage
> for convenience. I know the cloud storage isn't safe, but it encrypts by
> default so I'm not too worried.

I only use the pathetic little things for an OS install or to pass some files to someone.

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On Thu, 19 May 2022 20:02:50 +0100, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 May 2022 12:02:01 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-19 11:24 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 06:48:01 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> I deliberately bought a case with no spaces for optical drives,
>>>>>>>> leaving my BD-RE in my old computer. It's just not needed for
>>>>>>>> anything, anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Except fixing the fucked OS. And passing several GB to a friend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I installed Win10 from a USB drive, and could use that for physical
>>>>>> media to give files to someone else.
>>>>>
>>>>> Show me where you can buy a large USB drive that isn't a fake. They seem to be so easy to reprogram.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a large one that I leave plugged in all the time,
>>>
>>> That's a thumb drive, so it's only one kind of USB drive, There are
>>> many *much* larger USB HDs. I have a couple that are 2TB, and some are
>>> much lager than that.
>>>
>>> As he usually does, Commander Kinsey gets whatever he says wrong.
>>> Besides being wrong about large drives always being fake, this time he
>>> says USB drive when he means USB *thumb* drive (or flash drive or pen
>>> drive, if you prefer one of those names; I prefer "thumb" drive sine
>>> that's what they were originally called). That's why he's killfiled
>>> here.
>>
>> As far as I know, he suggested that thumb drives don't store anything
>> over the first 64GB regardless of what they claim.
>
> No. See the quote above. He said "Show me where you can buy a large
> USB drive that isn't a fake. " He said "USB drive," not "thumb drive."

I wasn't expecting so much OCD and inability to understand context.

> And that suggestion is complete nonsense, even if he meant "thumb
> drive."

It is not. Go onto Ebay and type "2TB USB stick". Buy the first 50 you find, then have fun returning every single one. It is fun actually, as it costs the scammers money.

>> He must have absolute trust in his anti-virus.
>
> But I completely disagree with that. It's foolhardy to have absolute
> trust in any anti-virus. No anti-virus is perfect, and even if it were
> perfect today, it wouldn't be perfect tomorrow. New viruses come out
> every day, and no AV software can keep up with everything that just
> came out.
>
> That's why regardless of what security software someone uses, he
> should also always practice safe hex.

I'm not stupid, I don't open the Nigerian Prince attachments. You have to be a fucking moron to get a virus in the first place.

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On Thu, 19 May 2022 20:59:35 +0100, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 May 2022 15:12:43 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That's why regardless of what security software someone uses, he
>>> should also always practice safe hex.
>>
>>
>> There's virtually no reason to worry about malicious code somehow
>> running on my computer. I don't do risky things, whatsoever.
>
>
> But it's never possible to be completely sure that what you are doing
> isn't risky. The only time I ever saw a virus on any of my many
> computers over the years, was some twenty or so years ago. I inserted
> a diskette that had been given to me by one of the most expert
> computer people I knew, someone who I trusted implicitly. Immediately
> my anti-virus popped up with a message telling me that the diskette
> contained a virus.
>
> I didn't run anything on the diskette, so I didn't get infected, but I
> could have if I wasn't running the anti-virus program.
>
> My point is that regardless of what security software we run, and how
> careful we are, none of us is ever risk free. We can certainly
> minimize the risk and make infection very unlikely, but we can never
> reduce the likelihood to zero. "Whatsoever" is too strong a word.

The only "virus" I ever saw in floppy disk days was one I put on a machine on purpose.

Does anyone remember:

Water detected in Drive A:
Entering spin cycle....
[drive motor makes washing machine noises]

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On Fri, 20 May 2022 07:06:32 +0100, ...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>> But it's never possible to be completely sure that what you are doing
>> isn't risky. The only time I ever saw a virus on any of my many
>> computers over the years, was some twenty or so years ago. I inserted
>> a diskette that had been given to me by one of the most expert
>> computer people I knew, someone who I trusted implicitly. Immediately
>> my anti-virus popped up with a message telling me that the diskette
>> contained a virus.
>>
>> I didn't run anything on the diskette, so I didn't get infected, but I
>> could have if I wasn't running the anti-virus program.
>
>>
> Lol...20 yrs ago then rules out first virus identified by mankind
> => 1881 Yellow Fever
> ...and the Jeeper Creepers in 1971...maybe the Code Red Worm in 2001 or
> the Melissa virus same time period. Though the most common spread on
> diskettes 20+ yrs. ago were Macro's virii for word processing software.

There was a crippling virus which was guaranteed to get into any Windows 95 machine as soon as you installed it and were on the internet, unless either: you had a router with a firewall (rare in those days), or had installed the service pack while not being online, or had it as part of the installer.

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On Fri, 20 May 2022 13:02:18 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

> On 2022-05-19 3:59 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 15:12:43 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's why regardless of what security software someone uses, he
>>>> should also always practice safe hex.
>>>
>>>
>>> There's virtually no reason to worry about malicious code somehow
>>> running on my computer. I don't do risky things, whatsoever.
>>
>>
>> But it's never possible to be completely sure that what you are doing
>> isn't risky. The only time I ever saw a virus on any of my many
>> computers over the years, was some twenty or so years ago. I inserted
>> a diskette that had been given to me by one of the most expert
>> computer people I knew, someone who I trusted implicitly. Immediately
>> my anti-virus popped up with a message telling me that the diskette
>> contained a virus.
>>
>> I didn't run anything on the diskette, so I didn't get infected, but I
>> could have if I wasn't running the anti-virus program.
>>
>> My point is that regardless of what security software we run, and how
>> careful we are, none of us is ever risk free. We can certainly
>> minimize the risk and make infection very unlikely, but we can never
>> reduce the likelihood to zero. "Whatsoever" is too strong a word.
>
> Gone are the days of the late 80s and early 90s where trading disks was
> the norm as was getting a virus from that disk.

That's naughty. Don't talk about games swapping in front of the religious moron Joel.

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On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:07:54 +0100, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>
>>>> That's why regardless of what security software someone uses, he
>>>> should also always practice safe hex.
>>>
>>> There's virtually no reason to worry about malicious code somehow
>>> running on my computer. I don't do risky things, whatsoever.
>>
>> But it's never possible to be completely sure that what you are doing
>> isn't risky. The only time I ever saw a virus on any of my many
>> computers over the years, was some twenty or so years ago. I inserted
>> a diskette that had been given to me by one of the most expert
>> computer people I knew, someone who I trusted implicitly. Immediately
>> my anti-virus popped up with a message telling me that the diskette
>> contained a virus.
>>
>> I didn't run anything on the diskette, so I didn't get infected, but I
>> could have if I wasn't running the anti-virus program.
>>
>> My point is that regardless of what security software we run, and how
>> careful we are, none of us is ever risk free. We can certainly
>> minimize the risk and make infection very unlikely, but we can never
>> reduce the likelihood to zero. "Whatsoever" is too strong a word.
>
>
> I don't interfere with Windows Security scanning incoming executable
> stuff,

Microsoft have never and will never write a reliable anti-anything.

> and I don't introduce questionable stuff to the system to begin
> with. I apply updates religiously.

Does that mean on your knees?

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On Thu, 19 May 2022 21:26:29 +0100, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

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>
>> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> That's why regardless of what security software someone uses, he
>>>>> should also always practice safe hex.
>>>>
>>>> There's virtually no reason to worry about malicious code somehow
>>>> running on my computer. I don't do risky things, whatsoever.
>>>
>>> But it's never possible to be completely sure that what you are doing
>>> isn't risky. The only time I ever saw a virus on any of my many
>>> computers over the years, was some twenty or so years ago. I inserted
>>> a diskette that had been given to me by one of the most expert
>>> computer people I knew, someone who I trusted implicitly. Immediately
>>> my anti-virus popped up with a message telling me that the diskette
>>> contained a virus.
>>>
>>> I didn't run anything on the diskette, so I didn't get infected, but I
>>> could have if I wasn't running the anti-virus program.
>>>
>>> My point is that regardless of what security software we run, and how
>>> careful we are, none of us is ever risk free. We can certainly
>>> minimize the risk and make infection very unlikely, but we can never
>>> reduce the likelihood to zero. "Whatsoever" is too strong a word.
>>
>>
>> I don't interfere with Windows Security scanning incoming executable
>> stuff, and I don't introduce questionable stuff to the system to begin
>> with. I apply updates religiously. There just isn't a really viable
>> way in, for an attacker or their code.
>
> Have you ever visited a web site? There's (potential) your way in.

If you use a MS browser perhaps.

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On Fri, 20 May 2022 14:23:22 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, 20 May 2022 at 11:33:23, mechanic <mechanic@example.net> wrote
> (my responses usually FOLLOW):
> []
>> Valid point though, as many people assume that their setup is fine
>> until they are attacked. When that happens it tends to concentrate
>> the mind!
>>
> The same applies to hardware failure; definitely concentrates the mind!
> (I don't _think_ I actually lost anything irretrievable, but it
> certainly made me think about it more!)

The most annoying failure I had was plugging an IDE cable in backwards and corrupting the whole disk, including 20 hours worth of map scanning I'd just done.

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On Fri, 20 May 2022 13:04:48 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

> On 2022-05-19 7:01 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 16:31:18 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I don't interfere with Windows Security scanning incoming executable
>>>>> stuff, and I don't introduce questionable stuff to the system to begin
>>>>> with. I apply updates religiously. There just isn't a really viable
>>>>> way in, for an attacker or their code.
>>>>
>>>> Have you ever visited a web site? There's (potential) your way in.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am cautious about what domains I connect to.
>>
>>
>> Me too. Being cautious minimizes the risk. That's not the same as
>> reducing the risk to zero.
>
> If any of us is even momentarily tempted to connect to a streaming site
> playing a sports event we didn't pay for, chances are that ads will be
> deployed whose main objective is to infect computers. The same goes for
> pornographic sites. We can be very careful, but it happens. The remedy
> here is actually not the anti-virus though; you're better off simply
> using a browser that blocks these ads by default to limit your exposure
> to such garbage.

I never see any ads, legitimate or not. It's also quite funny to have things they want you to see blocked, like rules on a forum.

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On Fri, 20 May 2022 02:11:13 +0100, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:

> On 5/19/2022 7:05 PM, Joel wrote:
>> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 16:31:18 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Have you ever visited a web site? There's (potential) your way in.
>>>>
>>>> I am cautious about what domains I connect to.
>>>
>>> Me too. Being cautious minimizes the risk. That's not the same as
>>> reducing the risk to zero.
>>
>>
>> I know, it's just that at some point the probability of making a
>> mistake is so close to zero, that it's not worth worrying about. I
>> think it can be a matter of keeping it simple - just be on your toes,
>> act wisely, and you're almost certain to be OK.
>>
>
> I picked up a computer virus at a semi-popular "Internet forum" site
> once. One would not have expected it. Obviously, it was introduced to
> the server by a 3rd party. It was closer to 100% than 0% that this
> really occurred. The only lesson to take away, I suppose, is to keep
> your virus detection up to date.

It tends to do that itself.

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On Fri, 20 May 2022 13:01:04 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

> On 2022-05-19 3:02 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 12:02:01 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-05-19 11:24 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 06:48:01 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I deliberately bought a case with no spaces for optical drives,
>>>>>>>>> leaving my BD-RE in my old computer. It's just not needed for
>>>>>>>>> anything, anymore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Except fixing the fucked OS. And passing several GB to a friend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I installed Win10 from a USB drive, and could use that for physical
>>>>>>> media to give files to someone else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Show me where you can buy a large USB drive that isn't a fake. They seem to be so easy to reprogram.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a large one that I leave plugged in all the time,
>>>>
>>>> That's a thumb drive, so it's only one kind of USB drive, There are
>>>> many *much* larger USB HDs. I have a couple that are 2TB, and some are
>>>> much lager than that.
>>>>
>>>> As he usually does, Commander Kinsey gets whatever he says wrong.
>>>> Besides being wrong about large drives always being fake, this time he
>>>> says USB drive when he means USB *thumb* drive (or flash drive or pen
>>>> drive, if you prefer one of those names; I prefer "thumb" drive sine
>>>> that's what they were originally called). That's why he's killfiled
>>>> here.
>>>
>>> As far as I know, he suggested that thumb drives don't store anything
>>> over the first 64GB regardless of what they claim.
>>
>> No. See the quote above. He said "Show me where you can buy a large
>> USB drive that isn't a fake. " He said "USB drive," not "thumb drive."
>>
>> And that suggestion is complete nonsense, even if he meant "thumb
>> drive."
>
> Admittedly, saying "USB drive" made the statement erroneous but yes, it
> was clear that he was referring to "thumb drives" or "USB keys" as I
> call them. The fact that there are some available in the 128GB variety
> and possibly in 256GB immediately contradicts his statement. However, he
> is right that there is a large amount of such drives being sold as
> having a ridiculous capacity all the while not being able to store even
> a fraction of what they claim. Disreputable brands often sell 1TB ones
> which are basically just reprogrammed 16GB drives.
>
>>> As far as I know,
>>> this is only true of disreputable brands. When I had a 128GB thumb drive
>>> made by Kingston, it worked just fine and storage more than 64GB regularly.
>>
>> Same here. I have several, made by several different companies.
>
> I've never had trouble with Kingston and their hardware is reasonably
> priced so I go to them even when I know that there are faster alternatives.

If you buy direct form Kingston perhaps. But any retailer could sell Kingston lookalikes. I have one here.

> < snip >
>
>>> He must have absolute trust in his anti-virus.
>>
>> But I completely disagree with that. It's foolhardy to have absolute
>> trust in any anti-virus. No anti-virus is perfect, and even if it were
>> perfect today, it wouldn't be perfect tomorrow. New viruses come out
>> every day, and no AV software can keep up with everything that just
>> came out.
>>
>> That's why regardless of what security software someone uses, he
>> should also always practice safe hex.
>
> That's true but anti-virus software is at least capable of detecting
> illicit behaviour if ever it can't detect the virus outright. As long as
> the user is purchasing decent protection from a company like McAfee or
> Norton, they should be fine. For me, their identity theft protection is
> of greater value than their anti-virus though.

PURCHASE?!? Hahaha! There are so many free AVs out there, you'd be a fool to pay for it. No idea how the likes of AVG make any money.

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On Fri, 20 May 2022 14:38:54 +0100, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:

> On 2022-05-20 8:21 a.m., Joel wrote:
>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-19 3:02 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 12:02:01 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-05-19 11:24 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 06:48:01 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I installed Win10 from a USB drive, and could use that for physical
>>>>>>>>> media to give files to someone else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Show me where you can buy a large USB drive that isn't a fake. They seem to be so easy to reprogram.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a large one that I leave plugged in all the time,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a thumb drive, so it's only one kind of USB drive, There are
>>>>>> many *much* larger USB HDs. I have a couple that are 2TB, and some are
>>>>>> much lager than that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As he usually does, Commander Kinsey gets whatever he says wrong.
>>>>>> Besides being wrong about large drives always being fake, this time he
>>>>>> says USB drive when he means USB *thumb* drive (or flash drive or pen
>>>>>> drive, if you prefer one of those names; I prefer "thumb" drive sine
>>>>>> that's what they were originally called). That's why he's killfiled
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I know, he suggested that thumb drives don't store anything
>>>>> over the first 64GB regardless of what they claim.
>>>>
>>>> No. See the quote above. He said "Show me where you can buy a large
>>>> USB drive that isn't a fake. " He said "USB drive," not "thumb drive."
>>>>
>>>> And that suggestion is complete nonsense, even if he meant "thumb
>>>> drive."
>>>
>>> Admittedly, saying "USB drive" made the statement erroneous but yes, it
>>> was clear that he was referring to "thumb drives" or "USB keys" as I
>>> call them. The fact that there are some available in the 128GB variety
>>> and possibly in 256GB immediately contradicts his statement. However, he
>>> is right that there is a large amount of such drives being sold as
>>> having a ridiculous capacity all the while not being able to store even
>>> a fraction of what they claim. Disreputable brands often sell 1TB ones
>>> which are basically just reprogrammed 16GB drives.
>>
>>
>> I realize now that "USB drive" could be taken to mean an external hard
>> drive, or similar - but I would have specified that, if so. Thumb
>> drives are actually large enough, now, that they can pretty much do
>> the job, to back up one's important files. The large one I leave
>> plugged in isn't even half full.
>
> I wouldn't recommend using those USB keys to back up data. For that
> purpose, you're better off with a larger drive with an actual hard disk
> or SSD. Those small keys tend to overheat and become unbearingly slow
> when there are large transfers going on. Additionally, they aren't as
> reliable as you would expect them to be at this point in time.

I have heard an SSD not used for several months can just forget everything on it. You must power them up regularly.

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On Fri, 20 May 2022 15:30:25 +0100, Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> wrote:

> On 2022-05-20 9:24 a.m., rabidR04CH wrote:
>> On 2022-05-20 9:40 a.m., Joel wrote:
>>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I realize now that "USB drive" could be taken to mean an external hard
>>>>> drive, or similar - but I would have specified that, if so. Thumb
>>>>> drives are actually large enough, now, that they can pretty much do
>>>>> the job, to back up one's important files. The large one I leave
>>>>> plugged in isn't even half full.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't recommend using those USB keys to back up data. For that
>>>> purpose, you're better off with a larger drive with an actual hard disk
>>>> or SSD. Those small keys tend to overheat and become unbearingly slow
>>>> when there are large transfers going on. Additionally, they aren't as
>>>> reliable as you would expect them to be at this point in time.
>>>
>>>
>>> True, I should keep using my external hard drive as a redundant
>>> backup. You're right.
>>
>> I bought one of those cheap Seagate 2TB drives from Walmart and it's
>> still going and turned my old SSB into an external SSD too using a $10
>> casing I got from Canada Computers. An image of my computer is usually
>> on the SSD because the transfer rate is much faster than a hard disk,
>> even when using USB 3.0 in both cases.
>>
>>
>
> Isn't it time to close this thread and start one with some relevance?

OCD alert. Learn the art of conversation.

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On Fri, 20 May 2022 19:11:16 +0100, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 20 May 2022 08:21:57 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-19 3:02 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 12:02:01 -0400, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-05-19 11:24 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 06:48:01 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I installed Win10 from a USB drive, and could use that for physical
>>>>>>>>> media to give files to someone else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Show me where you can buy a large USB drive that isn't a fake. They seem to be so easy to reprogram.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a large one that I leave plugged in all the time,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a thumb drive, so it's only one kind of USB drive, There are
>>>>>> many *much* larger USB HDs. I have a couple that are 2TB, and some are
>>>>>> much lager than that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As he usually does, Commander Kinsey gets whatever he says wrong.
>>>>>> Besides being wrong about large drives always being fake, this time he
>>>>>> says USB drive when he means USB *thumb* drive (or flash drive or pen
>>>>>> drive, if you prefer one of those names; I prefer "thumb" drive sine
>>>>>> that's what they were originally called). That's why he's killfiled
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I know, he suggested that thumb drives don't store anything
>>>>> over the first 64GB regardless of what they claim.
>>>>
>>>> No. See the quote above. He said "Show me where you can buy a large
>>>> USB drive that isn't a fake. " He said "USB drive," not "thumb drive."
>>>>
>>>> And that suggestion is complete nonsense, even if he meant "thumb
>>>> drive."
>>>
>>> Admittedly, saying "USB drive" made the statement erroneous but yes, it
>>> was clear that he was referring to "thumb drives" or "USB keys" as I
>>> call them. The fact that there are some available in the 128GB variety
>>> and possibly in 256GB immediately contradicts his statement. However, he
>>> is right that there is a large amount of such drives being sold as
>>> having a ridiculous capacity all the while not being able to store even
>>> a fraction of what they claim. Disreputable brands often sell 1TB ones
>>> which are basically just reprogrammed 16GB drives.
>>
>>
>> I realize now that "USB drive" could be taken to mean an external hard
>> drive, or similar - but I would have specified that, if so.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, nobody should ever just say "USB drive." What
> kind of USB drive it is should always be specified. If it's not
> specified, there's always a risk of confusing people.

"External hard disk" is what you're thinking of. USB stick, USB drive, memory stick, thumb drive, pen drive, those are all the little things. Trouble is the person who invented it never gave it a name, so everyone made up a different one. Same goes for a VCR which uses a hard disk. What's the official name for that?

>> Thumb drives are actually large enough, now, that they can pretty much do
>> the job, to back up one's important files.
>
> For some people, yes; for others, no. Some people's important files
> are too numerous or too big to fit on the largest thumb drive.

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