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From: G6J...@255soft.uk (J. P. Gilliver (John))
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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Mon, 23 May 2022 10:27 UTC

(I'm on 7, but the problem applies to XP and 10 too, and the solution -
if there is one! - may be universal.)

Occasionally, I accidentally either move a window, or drag one of its
sides, by mistake - while doing (or intending to) something else with
the mouse pointer, it catches on an edge, or more likely a title bar.
(Unlike a lot of people, I _don't_ operate most of my windows
full-screen most of the time, so their relative sizes and positions are
important to me.)

I discovered fairly recently that _if I notice while the movement is in
process_ (I just see the _outline_ move, i. e. I've still got the "mouse
button pressed" [actually I use a touchpad, but similar applies]), I can
cancel the move/resize by - keeping the button pressed and - pressing
the Esc key. But if I don't - anyone know of a way of undoing a window
move/resize? (Ctrl-Z doesn't seem to work.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

to sing like an injured seagull takes real skill. - Andrew Collins on Meryl
Streep as Florence Foster Jenkins, RT 2018/8/4-10

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From: mayay...@invalid.nospam (Mayayana)
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 by: Mayayana - Mon, 23 May 2022 12:13 UTC

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote

| I discovered fairly recently that _if I notice while the movement is in
| process_ (I just see the _outline_ move, i. e. I've still got the "mouse
| button pressed" [actually I use a touchpad, but similar applies]), I can
| cancel the move/resize by - keeping the button pressed and - pressing
| the Esc key. But if I don't - anyone know of a way of undoing a window
| move/resize? (Ctrl-Z doesn't seem to work.)

Seems very unlikely. Move and resize are not up to
Windows. Programs handle it. A program may remember
where it was last and resume that position if the window
has been minimized or the program closed. But that's
up to the program author to write the code for storing
coordinates and then retrieving the data.

I've never heard of an Undo.
That would require a program to store an undo history of
window coordinates, on the off chance that someday,
someone would care. If they went to that trouble then also,
of course, there would be a menu item, such as View ->
Last Window Position.

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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Mon, 23 May 2022 12:35 UTC

On Mon, 23 May 2022 at 08:13:58, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
[]
> Seems very unlikely. Move and resize are not up to
>Windows. Programs handle it. A program may remember

Interesting point.

>where it was last and resume that position if the window
>has been minimized or the program closed. But that's
>up to the program author to write the code for storing
>coordinates and then retrieving the data.

Now you mention it, they _do_ remember (their position and size) when
minimised - or maximised for that matter. (At least, I can't think for
the moment of one that doesn't [obviously some have a fixed size].)
>
> I've never heard of an Undo.
>That would require a program to store an undo history of
>window coordinates, on the off chance that someday,

Well, only one would be needed, not a full history. And a we've just
discussed - though I hadn't thought about it until we did - they _do_
remember that through a minimise/maximise followed by a restore. Or
something does - might be Windows.

>someone would care. If they went to that trouble then also,
>of course, there would be a menu item, such as View ->
>Last Window Position.
>
I agree, I've never seen that. Though not that it'd need a full menu
entry.
>
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Never be led astray onto the path of virtue.

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 by: Big Al - Mon, 23 May 2022 12:44 UTC

On 5/23/22 08:35, this is what J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> On Mon, 23 May 2022 at 08:13:58, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
> []
>> Seems very unlikely. Move and resize are not up to
>> Windows. Programs handle it. A program may remember
>
> Interesting point.
>
>> where it was last and resume that position if the window
>> has been minimized or the program closed. But that's
>> up to the program author to write the code for storing
>> coordinates and then retrieving the data.
>
> Now you mention it, they _do_ remember (their position and size) when minimised - or maximised for that matter. (At
> least, I can't think for the moment of one that doesn't [obviously some have a fixed size].)
>>
>>    I've never heard of an Undo.
>> That would require a program to store an undo history of
>> window coordinates, on the off chance that someday,
>
> Well, only one would be needed, not a full history. And a we've just discussed - though I hadn't thought about it until
> we did - they _do_ remember that through a minimise/maximise followed by a restore. Or something does - might be Windows.
>
>> someone would care. If they went to that trouble then also,
>> of course, there would be a menu item, such as View ->
>> Last Window Position.
>>
> I agree, I've never seen that. Though not that it'd need a full menu entry.
>>
I've found that cntl-Z, the undo for text editing will sometimes undo a file copy. At least it does on Linux, might be
worth trying on you window move/resize.

Al

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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Mon, 23 May 2022 13:02 UTC

On Mon, 23 May 2022 at 08:44:12, Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> wrote (my
responses usually FOLLOW):
[]
>I've found that cntl-Z, the undo for text editing will sometimes undo a
>file copy. At least it does on Linux, might be worth trying on you
>window move/resize.
>
>Al

It certainly does undo a move in Windows - at least to another location
on the same partition; I haven't tried it on a move between
partitions/drives or on a copy. It undoes a rename, too. In both cases,
only if fairly soon after the move/rename - I don't mean in time, but in
other actions. But unfortunately it doesn't for window move/resize.

Assuming Linux has a similar facility for moving/resizing windows (by
dragging the title bar or edges), does ^Z work there?
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 by: Mayayana - Mon, 23 May 2022 15:21 UTC

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote

| they _do_
| remember that through a minimise/maximise followed by a restore. Or
| something does - might be Windows.
|

No, that's what I'm saying. I write software. If I don't track and
store window positions then windows will typically come up in
the upper left, because that's the coordinates 0,0. But nearly all
programs are designed to track their window positions. I code mine
to open center-screen unless I have last-opened coordinates. Then
I use those. Some programs do other things. Firefox, for example,
seems to check open instances and display multiple windows in
cascade fashion.

| >someone would care. If they went to that trouble then also,
| >of course, there would be a menu item, such as View ->
| >Last Window Position.
| >
| I agree, I've never seen that. Though not that it'd need a full menu
| entry.

You might not need it. You might be happy with Ctrl + Alt + 1 or
some such. But then people can't do it with a mouse and there's no
way to advertise the functionality. It would be very dumb to go
to the trouble to code a window position history, when only some
guy in England wants it. It would be far more dumb to go to that
trouble and then not advertise the functionality through the menu.
No one would ever find out about it! You could put it in the help,
but ono one reads help. The general public lives in a mindset of
TL;DR. Will it fill my stomach or give me an orgasm? Then TL;DR.

There's tradition, though MS have broken a lot of their
own rules in recent years. But the general idea is to put things on
the menu, also put it on the context menu if appropriate, and at least
for standard operations like Copy, also implement standard shortcuts
like Ctrl + C. But those are left over from DOS days. Most people
don't know about them and they're not discoverable.

I use context menu whenever possible, almost never using
keyboard shortcuts, but I have noticed that in
some older programs, like Paint Shop Pro 5, context menu wasn't
implemented, despite the menu listing keyboard shortcuts for most things.
So I guess the historical development was keyboard in DOS, which was
then carried over to Windows for compatibility. Then in Windows, having
a GUI, a menu was introduced. Then perhaps only later, context menu
was made standard.

But even that can vary. One especially maddening detail for me is
Cut and Copy. Those operations should cut or copy the selected
text in the window where text is selected. That text window is the
context. But in some programs, the right-click must be done exactly
on top of the selected text. If it isn't, the right click is treated as a
left click, unselecting all text!

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 by: VanguardLH - Mon, 23 May 2022 15:43 UTC

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

> (I'm on 7, but the problem applies to XP and 10 too, and the solution -
> if there is one! - may be universal.)
>
> Occasionally, I accidentally either move a window, or drag one of its
> sides, by mistake - while doing (or intending to) something else with
> the mouse pointer, it catches on an edge, or more likely a title bar.
> (Unlike a lot of people, I _don't_ operate most of my windows
> full-screen most of the time, so their relative sizes and positions are
> important to me.)
>
> I discovered fairly recently that _if I notice while the movement is in
> process_ (I just see the _outline_ move, i. e. I've still got the "mouse
> button pressed" [actually I use a touchpad, but similar applies]), I can
> cancel the move/resize by - keeping the button pressed and - pressing
> the Esc key. But if I don't - anyone know of a way of undoing a window
> move/resize? (Ctrl-Z doesn't seem to work.)

You already know about using the Esc key to abort the operation while it
is *in progress* (the mouse button is still pressed when Esc is hit).
That the window is getting moved or resized should be obvious before you
release the mouse button hence the Esc key is how you abort a
noncommitted operation. As Maya notes, there is no Undo (Ctrl+Z) for a
move/size operation after the operation has been committed. Too late
after releasing the mouse. Once you see the window resizing or moving,
do NOT release the mouse button! With a pending operation, you can
Esc(ape) it. When you have an Oops, keep the mouse button pressed to
let you un-Oops.

You have to break the habit of releasing the mouse button to afterward
seek how to revert the move or resize of a window. Don't release until
you're satisfied with the change, and don't release if you want to use
Esc to abort. Instinct has you back off (release).

Personally I don't rely on absolute positioning or sizing to stay fixed
for windows. Too many times when loading an app, the window opens
somewhere else than before. You cannot guarantee the window will always
open in the same spot unless the program itself lets you configure its
initial X-Y coordinates for the upper left corner along with size (which
could still run into a problem if the screen size is smaller than the
program's fixed window size). Plus, even if a program gave you that
option, it would only get enforced when the program's window was opened,
not prevent you later from moving or resizing that window. Trying to
load windows always in the same spot and always with the same size is an
exercise in futility if the program doesn't track a location history
even if just one history entry of where was the window and its size when
the window was last closed.

If you want windows to always open in the same spot, you need something
more for window management than Windows affords to the end user, like a
better window manager. I've heard of, but not used Desksoft's
WindowManager (https://www.desksoft.com/WindowManager.htm). I'm sure I
could find other window managers if I bothered to hunt for them. That
window manager lets you configure where a window opens (don't know about
sizing), and even lock the window so it cannot be moved or resized.
I've also heard of, but not used, ShellFolderFix
(https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/shellfolderfix.html).
ShellFolderFix works with some programs (Firefox, LibreOffice, Revo
Uninstaller), but not with some other programs (Thunderbird, CCleaner,
Irfanview). Up to you to discover with which program's window it can
manage their positioning.

Another option is to use a hotkey macro tool, like AutoHotkey or AutoIt,
that can position a window to a fixed coordinate for the upper left
corner and set a size on the window. You'd define a single hotkey that
has multiple rules depending on the titlebar's string (window name), and
each rule or condition would position that window for that program at
the same spot. I haven't used AutoHotkey for many years, but recall it
can interrogate the string for the titlebar, and it could position and
size the window. You'd have to define multiple conditions, or tests, in
the macro that would set position and size based on the titlebar. Alas,
many programs use the same titlebar string for multiple window opens by
the same program, so there's no way to distinguish one program's window
from another that it opened.

In a similar vein of using a macro with multiple conditions to test on
the titlebar string for where to position and size the currently focused
window, looks like WinSize2 can do that for you; see
http://winsize2.sourceforge.net/en/index.htm. Instead of having to
write a script with multiple conditions testing the titlebar string to
know on which window to effect positioning and sizing actions, you
record a table of windows in WinSize2 to do the same. However, it looks
like this tool triggers when a object.window is created; i.e., when a
window opens is when WinSize2 exercises its rules.

If you have Nirsoft's nircmd.exe tool, you can use it to set the
coordinates and size of an opened window by running:

nircmd.exe win setsize title "<titlebar>" <x> <y> <width> <height>

<titlebar> is the string on which to test in the titlebars of the
currently opened windows. <x> and <y> are the coordinates for the upper
left corner of the window. <width> and <height> are obvious. Values
are in pixels. No, the angle brackets are not part of the arguments.
Alas, Nirsoft didn't bother to document the win setsize arguments at
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/nircmd.html; however, the nircmd.chm help
file does mention the win arg and its setsize parameter.

You could have a "Restore Windows" folder with a bunch of shortcuts, or
a toolbar in the Windows Taskbar, or other means of storing a multitude
of nircmds for the windows you are likely to open and might need to
reposition and resize.

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 by: Ken Blake - Mon, 23 May 2022 16:36 UTC

On Mon, 23 May 2022 11:27:18 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>(I'm on 7, but the problem applies to XP and 10 too, and the solution -
>if there is one! - may be universal.)
>
>Occasionally, I accidentally either move a window, or drag one of its
>sides, by mistake - while doing (or intending to) something else with
>the mouse pointer, it catches on an edge, or more likely a title bar.
>(Unlike a lot of people, I _don't_ operate most of my windows
>full-screen most of the time,

Same for me. I almost never run anything full screen.

>so their relative sizes and positions are
>important to me.)
>
>I discovered fairly recently that _if I notice while the movement is in
>process_ (I just see the _outline_ move, i. e. I've still got the "mouse
>button pressed" [actually I use a touchpad, but similar applies]), I can
>cancel the move/resize by - keeping the button pressed and - pressing
>the Esc key. But if I don't - anyone know of a way of undoing a window
>move/resize? (Ctrl-Z doesn't seem to work.)

Can't you just drag it back where it was? Or is that not precise
enough for you? That's what I do.

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 by: Ken Blake - Mon, 23 May 2022 16:38 UTC

On Mon, 23 May 2022 13:35:15 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
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>On Mon, 23 May 2022 at 08:13:58, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
>wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>[]
>> Seems very unlikely. Move and resize are not up to
>>Windows. Programs handle it. A program may remember
>
>Interesting point.
>
>>where it was last and resume that position if the window
>>has been minimized or the program closed. But that's
>>up to the program author to write the code for storing
>>coordinates and then retrieving the data.
>
>Now you mention it, they _do_ remember (their position and size) when
>minimised - or maximised for that matter. (At least, I can't think for
>the moment of one that doesn't [obviously some have a fixed size].)

For some strange reason, one of the programs I always run (Directory
Opus) doesn't remember where it was if I reboot.

It's not a big deal, but it's a minor annoyance.

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 by: R.Wieser - Mon, 23 May 2022 17:10 UTC

Mayayana,

> Firefox, for example, seems to check open instances and display
> multiple windows in cascade fashion.

Try using 0x8000, 0x8000 for the windows/dialogs initial position.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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 by: Big Al - Mon, 23 May 2022 19:06 UTC

On 5/23/22 09:02, this is what J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> On Mon, 23 May 2022 at 08:44:12, Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
> []
>> I've found that cntl-Z, the undo for text editing will sometimes undo a file copy.   At least it does on Linux, might
>> be worth trying on you window move/resize.
>>
>> Al
>
> It certainly does undo a move in Windows - at least to another location on the same partition; I haven't tried it on a
> move between partitions/drives or on a copy. It undoes a rename, too. In both cases, only if fairly soon after the
> move/rename - I don't mean in time, but in other actions. But unfortunately it doesn't for window move/resize.
>
> Assuming Linux has a similar facility for moving/resizing windows (by dragging the title bar or edges), does ^Z work there?
No it does not restore if you snap a window to the side.

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 by: Mayayana - Mon, 23 May 2022 19:33 UTC

"Ken Blake" <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote

> For some strange reason, one of the programs I always run (Directory
Opus) doesn't remember where it was if I reboot.
>

It may be that it's just not designed to bother. But if it's old
it could also be a permission issue. For example, if it's
trying to save a config file in the program folder, or trying
to write to HKLM, that might happen. I suppose you could
try procmon (or regmon/filemon) to see whether it's failing
such an operation. Then you could change permissions for just
that file or reg key.

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 by: Mayayana - Mon, 23 May 2022 19:35 UTC

"R.Wieser" <address@not.available> wrote

| > Firefox, for example, seems to check open instances and display
| > multiple windows in cascade fashion.
| | Try using 0x8000, 0x8000 for the windows/dialogs initial position.
|

I don't understand. Are you saying FF has a setting to spec
the opening position? Is the heat getting to you, Rudy? :)

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 by: R.Wieser - Mon, 23 May 2022 19:41 UTC

Mayayana,

> I don't understand. Are you saying FF has a setting to spec
> the opening position?

Nope. I'm telling you /the OS/ gouverns the cascading of windows - if you
let it and not force them to a specific location.

Just try it.

> Is the heat getting to you, Rudy? :)

Not yet, but it is starting to bother me. :-|

Regards,
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 by: Mayayana - Tue, 24 May 2022 02:16 UTC

"R.Wieser" <address@not.available> wrote

| Nope. I'm telling you /the OS/ gouverns the cascading of windows - if you
| let it and not force them to a specific location.
| | Just try it.
| I still don't know where I'd spec H8000. But I think
I know what you mean. If I open one window and set it, then
subsequent windows would automatically cascade? I don't
think I've ever written anytyhing with multiple instances before,
so I've never thought about how to handle that.

So FF is setting the first window and then leaving it to
Windows if there's already one showing? I just tried
Notepad. It opens to its last position but then every
subsequent instance opens at the same spot, on top of
each other.

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 by: R.Wieser - Tue, 24 May 2022 07:39 UTC

Mayayana,

> I still don't know where I'd spec H8000.

After posting I realized by explanation-fu left something to be desired :-\

When I create a dialog in a resourcefile I have something like this :

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
#define IDD_BASEWIN 1000

IDD_BASEWIN DIALOG DISCARDABLE 300, 0, 200, 36
begin
.....
end
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The only thing you need to do is to replace the, in this case, "300, 0" with
"0x8000, 0x8000"

To be honest, I have not tried to do that with CreateWindow (seldom use it
anymore), but as far as I understood it works the same way there.

> But I think I know what you mean. If I open one window and
> set it, then subsequent windows would automatically cascade?

Not quite. It works for any program, and they do not even need to be the
same. IOW, it works for any child of the desktop. You can take it as the
OS'es effort to keep all (newly) placed windows visible (not one hidden
behind another).

> So FF is setting the first window and then leaving it to
> Windows if there's already one showing?

Its not about FF. Its about dialogs/windows in general. As you said
yourself, its ultimatily the window which decides where it gets placed.

I'm not sure if its fully comparable, but a quick test just now opening a
number of "file explorer" dialogs shows that the first one got create at its
old place, but the subsequent ones started to form in a cascading wise from
the top-left of the screen.

The "first one at its old place and the subsequent ones cascading from the
top-left" *might* have something to do with

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\ShellNoRoam\Bags

(I was looking for an answer to the OPs question).

> I just tried Notepad. It opens to its last position but then
> every subsequent instance opens at the same spot, on top of
> each other.

Same here. It probably uses (the equivalent of) DS_CENTER as one of its
styles.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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 by: Mayayana - Tue, 24 May 2022 12:48 UTC

"R.Wieser" <address@not.available> wrote

| When I create a dialog in a resourcefile I have something like this :
| | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
| #define IDD_BASEWIN 1000
| | IDD_BASEWIN DIALOG DISCARDABLE 300, 0, 200, 36

I see. VC++? I've only dabbled in that and never with GUIs.
I use VB6, generally. That does all the grunt GUI work behind the
scenes. When I load the window, before making it visible, I
look up where it should be and position it.

I use CreateWindowEx, but only for self-subclassing
userControls.

I'm going to miss VB6. I'd become fairly expert over the years,
easily creating self-subclassing control windows for maximum
speed and flexibility. At the same time it's easy to code. And
the software runs on virtually any existing Windows box with
no support files needed. Real Win32 software, not bloated
"apps" pasted together with Python, QT, .Net, Java, RT, or
worse.
But I don't code much now. I just don't need things that I
don't have. And it won't be long, I'm sure, before non-corporate
non-spyware is considered to be "illegal sideloading" and Windows
sends out a SWAT team to take down my EXE.... Strange to look
back and realize the age of popular computing lasted a mere
30-odd years.

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Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote in
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> On Mon, 23 May 2022 11:27:18 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>>(I'm on 7, but the problem applies to XP and 10 too, and
>>the solution - if there is one! - may be universal.)
>>
>>Occasionally, I accidentally either move a window, or drag
>>one of its sides, by mistake - while doing (or intending
>>to) something else with the mouse pointer, it catches on an
>>edge, or more likely a title bar. (Unlike a lot of people,
>>I _don't_ operate most of my windows full-screen most of
>>the time,
>
>
> Same for me. I almost never run anything full screen.

I don't think that many people run everything 'full screen' (more likely meaning
'maximized').

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On Tue, 24 May 2022 09:33:43 -0500, DanS
<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:

>Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote in
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>
>> On Mon, 23 May 2022 11:27:18 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>(I'm on 7, but the problem applies to XP and 10 too, and
>>>the solution - if there is one! - may be universal.)
>>>
>>>Occasionally, I accidentally either move a window, or drag
>>>one of its sides, by mistake - while doing (or intending
>>>to) something else with the mouse pointer, it catches on an
>>>edge, or more likely a title bar. (Unlike a lot of people,
>>>I _don't_ operate most of my windows full-screen most of
>>>the time,
>>
>>
>> Same for me. I almost never run anything full screen.
>
>I don't think that many people run everything 'full screen' (more likely meaning
>'maximized').

When I worked in a cube farm at a large corporation, as I walked around
the place I noticed that virtually everyone ran their stuff maximized,
with the only exception being one woman who spent much of her time
resizing windows and moving them around on her screen. Admittedly, that
was just over a decade ago, so things may have changed now that bigger
screens and/or higher resolutions are available.

I still run almost everything maximized, with just a few exceptions. I
don't like unnecessary vertical/horizontal scrolling.

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 by: R.Wieser - Tue, 24 May 2022 15:41 UTC

Mayayana,

> | When I create a dialog in a resourcefile I have something like this :
> |
> | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> | #define IDD_BASEWIN 1000
> |
> | IDD_BASEWIN DIALOG DISCARDABLE 300, 0, 200, 36
>
> I see. VC++? I've only dabbled in that and never with GUIs.

Nope, hand-crafted and to be compiled into a .RES file using brc32.exe
(Borland Resource Compiler). I'm the guy writing Windows programs in
Assembly, remember.

> I use VB6, generally

I have used VB5 myself (for work), and as far as I can remember you could
specify the starting coordinates of the dialog if you wanted. If you want
to use the "auto placement" of Windows it would not hurt to take a look.

It could even mean you would not need to add extra code in the create event
of the window to move it to its desired-by-you position anymore.

> Real Win32 software, not bloated "apps" pasted together with
> Python, QT, .Net, Java, RT, or worse.

:-) As an assembly programmer any language above it feels needlesly
bloated. Including good-old C and it derivatives.

> But I don't code much now. I just don't need things that I
> don't have.

To me it was and has again become a hobby. Instead of figuring sudokos or
jigsaw puzzles I try to "puzzle" programs together.

> And it won't be long, I'm sure, before non-corporate
> non-spyware is considered to be "illegal sideloading" and
> Windows sends out a SWAT team to take down my EXE....

:-) Thats pretty-much why I don't yearn for any of those blasted
"smartphones". Any OS which I am not the lord-and-master over isn't welcome
in my house. Its also is the reason why I still have XP as my major OS.

> Strange to look back and realize the age of popular computing
> lasted a mere 30-odd years.

Same for hobby electronics. For a number of years I designed circuits,
turned them into layouts and etched PCBs for them, drilled the holes and
soldered the components in. Nowerdays the miniaturisation of the components
doesn't allow for that anymore. A gone era.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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 by: Mayayana - Tue, 24 May 2022 16:09 UTC

"R.Wieser" <address@not.available> wrote

| Nope, hand-crafted and to be compiled into a .RES file using brc32.exe
| (Borland Resource Compiler). I'm the guy writing Windows programs in
| Assembly, remember.
|

Interesting. I didn't know that. I decided to learn assemby
at one point, but didn't get far. I'm not really a math person.
I'm sort of a design-builder, an expert at straddling science
and art, but not a master of either. So I write code with a
practical sense. Once it works I like to optimize, but what I
like about VB is that I can just skip all the grunt work and
focus on the main functionality.

I dabbled a bit in C++ and could see the appeal. Compared
to VB it's like riding without a seat belt or a floor. But I just
wasn't ambitious enough to master it. And it's a damned ugly
language.

| > Strange to look back and realize the age of popular computing
| > lasted a mere 30-odd years.
| | Same for hobby electronics. For a number of years I designed circuits,
| turned them into layouts and etched PCBs for them, drilled the holes and
| soldered the components in. Nowerdays the miniaturisation of the
components
| doesn't allow for that anymore. A gone era.
|

Ah. An oldtimer. I was never around for the early days. I only
discovered computers with Win98, when it became a car to drive
and not just an engineering challenge for greasemonkeys. I think
that crippled my understanding, partly. I'm an auto-didact in
GUI programming. So understanding what really happens underneath
came later and was hard for me to grasp. It's still not second nature
for me, the way it is with fully trained C++ programmers.

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 by: Mayayana - Tue, 24 May 2022 16:14 UTC

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote

| I don't think that many people run everything 'full screen' (more likely
meaning
| 'maximized').
|

I certainly don't. I have a 27" monitor. Fullscreen would
have me turning my head back and forth to read. And it
would negate the advantage of being able to switch around
by clicking title bars.

But so many people today use phones as a primary device.
One app at a time. And many use laptops with small screens,
even if they never move it. Very few people consider ergonomic
design. I imagine that someone on a 15" laptop, using almost
exclusively MS Word, would have no reason not to have a
maximized window. They've crippled their functionality back
to 1998, but they don't notice.

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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Tue, 24 May 2022 16:53 UTC

On Mon, 23 May 2022 at 09:36:19, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote
(my responses usually FOLLOW):
>On Mon, 23 May 2022 11:27:18 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>>(I'm on 7, but the problem applies to XP and 10 too, and the solution -
>>if there is one! - may be universal.)
>>
>>Occasionally, I accidentally either move a window, or drag one of its
>>sides, by mistake - while doing (or intending to) something else with
>>the mouse pointer, it catches on an edge, or more likely a title bar.
>>(Unlike a lot of people, I _don't_ operate most of my windows
>>full-screen most of the time,
>
>
>Same for me. I almost never run anything full screen.
>
Nice to know there are others like me! A lot of both people in general,
and programmers (especially web page designers), are (or act*) very
surprised when you explain this, and treat you/us as if you're being
awkward. (* I think in the case of programmers/designers, they just
_act_ that way because it's more work for them catering to us.)
>
>>so their relative sizes and positions are
>>important to me.)
[]
>Can't you just drag it back where it was? Or is that not precise
>enough for you? That's what I do.

Oh, usually it would be; however, if the move/resize is accidental - i.
e I was trying to do something else with the mouse - I'm not necessarily
sure, even roughly, what the original position/size _was_. (-:
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 by: Frank Slootweg - Tue, 24 May 2022 17:31 UTC

R.Wieser <address@not.available> wrote:
[...]

> :-) As an assembly programmer any language above it feels needlesly
> bloated. Including good-old C and it derivatives.

Assembly is needlessly bloated! Real Men Microcode!

And using assembly just means you're too dumb to remember the opcodes.

:-) (for the HI)

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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Tue, 24 May 2022 17:52 UTC

On Tue, 24 May 2022 at 17:31:11, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>R.Wieser <address@not.available> wrote:
>[...]
>
>> :-) As an assembly programmer any language above it feels needlesly
>> bloated. Including good-old C and it derivatives.
>
> Assembly is needlessly bloated! Real Men Microcode!

Entering it with switches, of course. And hoping an insect - or to use
the US term, bug - doesn't end up in the relays, sorry, software ...
>
> And using assembly just means you're too dumb to remember the opcodes.

(-: (I can still remember the opcodes for the first computer I learnt on
- all 8 of them. Z [000], A, S, T, I, J, K, and E [111].) And yes, you
really _did_ program BRENDA with switches, though I don't think it had
relays, in the logic anyway.
>
>:-) (for the HI)
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