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 by: R.Wieser - Tue, 24 May 2022 18:27 UTC

Mayayana,

> I'm not really a math person.

Neither am I. Luckily it hasn't stopped me.

> but what I like about VB is that I can just skip all the
> grunt work and focus on the main functionality.

And there I am, thinking that all those (system) DLLs are doing the grunt
work for me. I only have to stich a few functions outof them together and
magic happens. :-)

> I dabbled a bit in C++ and could see the appeal. Compared
> to VB it's like riding without a seat belt or a floor.

I can only imagine that doing Assembly must have been awfull for you, not
even knowing which side was up ...

Using higher programming languages I was always troubled by the distance
between what I wrote and what it actually got compiled into. It didn't
help to read that the compiler could sometimes just "optimize" whole swats
of code away, making it not do what the programmer intended.

And the almost always needed typecasting, because everyone can define their
own type names. Very funny when you have to deal with a couple of
DLLs/externam modules that have been written by different people ...

> Ah. An oldtimer.

You could say that I guess.

> I was never around for the early days. I only discovered computers
> with Win98,

My own first contact with computers was a 8080 processor based (later
upgraded to a Z80 processor) non-name home-build by the leader of the
electronics club I had become a member of (learned my transistors there).
After a number of years and a series of other 8-bitters (TRS80, Apple 2e,
C64 to name a few) my first own PC was a 286 running DOS 3.3 with a *BIG*
harddisk. A whopping 40 Megabyte of it. :-)

> when it became a car to drive and not just an engineering
> challenge for greasemonkeys.

I'm not much of an engineer, but I'm afraid that I am one of those
"greasemonkeys". I have /way/ to much fun in having the 'puter do what /I/
want instead of the other way around.

> I'm an auto-didact in GUI programming.

Although I had some helpfull people around in my early days on that
8080-based 'puter most of the later stuff learned with the help of library
books and later the internet. So, also auto-didact. Certainly whole
Windows part.

> So understanding what really happens underneath came later and was
> hard for me to grasp. It's still not second nature for me, the way
> it is with fully trained C++ programmers.

I've disassembled enough programs make me wonder how many of those "fully
trained C++ programmers" who know what is going on beneath their feet ...

Than again, part of the ugly and rather clumsy code I sometimes see could be
the result of a bad compiler. Who knows.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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 by: R.Wieser - Tue, 24 May 2022 18:43 UTC

Frank,

> Assembly is needlessly bloated! Real Men Microcode!

And when they need to change it they do it on the chip, using a fine-pointed
needle to flip the bits !

> And using assembly just means you're too dumb to remember the opcodes.

Ackkk... You got me there I'm afraid. Never been able to remember just a
meager few of them .. :-p

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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In article <t6j82u$uno$1@gioia.aioe.org>, R.Wieser
<address@not.available> wrote:

> Using higher programming languages I was always troubled by the distance
> between what I wrote and what it actually got compiled into. It didn't
> help to read that the compiler could sometimes just "optimize" whole swats
> of code away, making it not do what the programmer intended.

optimizing means make it faster. it does *not* mean change what it does.

> And the almost always needed typecasting, because everyone can define their
> own type names. Very funny when you have to deal with a couple of
> DLLs/externam modules that have been written by different people ...

typecasting is a very good thing. it's much easier to find errors at
compile time rather than at run time, surprising the user, which is
never a good thing.

> > when it became a car to drive and not just an engineering
> > challenge for greasemonkeys.
>
> I'm not much of an engineer, but I'm afraid that I am one of those
> "greasemonkeys". I have /way/ to much fun in having the 'puter do what /I/
> want instead of the other way around.

who intentionally writes code that does something they don't want?

> > So understanding what really happens underneath came later and was
> > hard for me to grasp. It's still not second nature for me, the way
> > it is with fully trained C++ programmers.
>
> I've disassembled enough programs make me wonder how many of those "fully
> trained C++ programmers" who know what is going on beneath their feet ...

they know far more about what's going on than assembly programmers, who
can't see the big picture.

put another way, they deal in concepts, not micromanaging bits.

> Than again, part of the ugly and rather clumsy code I sometimes see could be
> the result of a bad compiler. Who knows.

not you.

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"Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote in
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> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote
>
>| I don't think that many people run everything 'full
>| screen' (more likely
> meaning
>| 'maximized').
>|
>
> I certainly don't. I have a 27" monitor. Fullscreen would
> have me turning my head back and forth to read. And it
> would negate the advantage of being able to switch around
> by clicking title bars.
>
> But so many people today use phones as a primary device.
> One app at a time. And many use laptops with small screens,
> even if they never move it. Very few people consider
> ergonomic design. I imagine that someone on a 15" laptop,
> using almost exclusively MS Word, would have no reason not
> to have a maximized window. They've crippled their
> functionality back to 1998, but they don't notice.

You know, after I posted my comment, I started to think about it a little more about it...

The first thing that came to mind when I read the OP, was Facebook. If you run
Facebook maximized, on say a 27" monitor, there are HUGE, huge areas of wasted
white space on both sides of the screen.

But the more I thought about it, I do realize I do run a lot of stuff maximized, but only
programs where being maximized improves the s/w use.

I do CAD work, always maximized. The more you see, the better. Spreadsheets too,
sometimes, as the boss is really hip on "just add another column!" after there's already
50 columns in his spreadsheets. Using VS is often maximized. I can pull several code
windows of tabs into separate windows to reference back and forth between them.

Audio and video editing is always maximized...the more you can see at once, the
better.

I'm writing this post right now, from work, as I'm on break and RDP'd into my home
machine, in fullscreen.

On a side/related note...

When Windows 11 came out, and listed one of the new 'features' is that you set the
start button to be in the middle of the tasbar, instead of all the way to the left bottom
corner. I balked at that, likw wow!!!! that's a feature, you need to tout?!?!...

Fast-forward in time, and I'm in front of my studio PC with Pro Tools maximized, the
the 34" ultra-wide I'm using for that, and need to get tot he Start Menu...

....it was at that point, I realized that perhaps that is a cool feature, because I found I had
to move my head diagonally quite a bit to focus almost two feet away from what I was
looking at to 'get to' the Start button way the hell down over there!

I used to be like you, Mayayana...I hated anything new that came out, especially
Windows, as each version would get more bloated with all this junk I'll never need or
use, and be super-cncerned about *everything*...I mean, I even wrote my own
Windows shell to replace Explorer as a shell, so it would work l;ike I wanted it to, and
be efficient like I thought it should be.

....at some point, you start going through so much work to not do/have anything new,
updated, or upgraded, that it just not worth a the hassle. What is gained, is not more
than the effort but forth to do so. (For me anyway.)

I mean, if you've got an older PC being used, that's fine, but to like buy new hardware in
202x and want to use XP on it??

Don't get me wrong...I do do some trimming, and customization, just not anywhere
near to the degree I used to.

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 by: R.Wieser - Tue, 24 May 2022 20:06 UTC

nospam,

> optimizing means make it faster.

No, it doesn't. Not by a long shot. Though mostly the /effect/ of those
optimalisations is a faster running program.

> it does *not* mean change what it does.

Do a wild guess why I put the word between quotes ...

> typecasting is a very good thing.

In its intention ? Sure. But not when the programmer gets warnings about
them every second variable he's trying to use. Which /will/ happen when
trying to use third-party stuff - for the reason I already described.

>> I'm not much of an engineer, but I'm afraid that I am one of those
>> "greasemonkeys". I have /way/ to much fun in having the 'puter do what
>> /I/
>> want instead of the other way around.
>
> who intentionally writes code that does something they don't want?

Lol. I suggest you re-read what I said. Focus on the last line you quoted.

If that doesn't help, think about you and a car salesman. What would you
like better : the car salesman taking you for a ride, or the other way
around.

> they know far more about what's going on than assembly programmers,
> who can't see the big picture.

If you say so.

> put another way, they deal in concepts, not micromanaging bits.

Yep. And by that feat they lose sight of the cost of what they write - and
depend on their compilers to optimize whatever they come up with into the
most optimum form possible.

> not you.

Yep, that is what I said. You're not a real brainiac, are you ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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 by: Mayayana - Tue, 24 May 2022 20:14 UTC

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote

| But the more I thought about it, I do realize I do run a lot of stuff
maximized, but only
| programs where being maximized improves the s/w use.
| Yes. I do that for graphic editing, VS, my own coding editor for VBS
and HTML, and my occasional Libre Office Writer usage. But for most
things I'm using windows of maybe 1/2 screen width.

|
| I used to be like you, Mayayana...I hated anything new that came out,
especially
| Windows, as each version would get more bloated with all this junk I'll
never need or
| use, and be super-cncerned about *everything*...I mean, I even wrote my
own
| Windows shell to replace Explorer as a shell, so it would work l;ike I
wanted it to, and
| be efficient like I thought it should be.
| | ...at some point, you start going through so much work to not do/have
anything new,
| updated, or upgraded, that it just not worth a the hassle. What is gained,
is not more
| than the effort but forth to do so. (For me anyway.)
| | I mean, if you've got an older PC being used, that's fine, but to like buy
new hardware in
| 202x and want to use XP on it??
|

I think I feel the same way. But the main thing for me is control.
They want to put the Start menu in the middle? OK. But can I move
it if I want to? Each version has made it harder to change things
to the way I find convenient. Ribbon menus? OK. But why can't
they also be switched back? I want to be able to cruise at top
speed, without thinking about it. I don't want to be zipping along
and suddenly get a big window asking whether I want to copy a
file, replace it, or add with a different name. Huh? Shut up! All I
need is a simple message: Overwrite existing file?

With Win7 I spent weeks figuring out how to make it civilized.
I even wrote my own program to remove file restrictions in bulk.
I find it reasonably usable but not optimized. With Win10 I just
avoid using it. It's no
fun. Can I stop it calling home? Not sure. It changes services
settings without asking. It's crazy bloated. Much of it can be
customized, but not like it used to be. And now I just use the
popular tweak programs rather than writing my own. It's not
worth the trouble. So, yeah, it's OK. But with Win10 I'm kind of
drawing a line. It's spyware. I probably can't undo that. So if
I ever have to give up XP I'll probably go to 7 or Linux. If I
have to give up 7 then I'll probably just hold my nose and switch
to Linux. Win10 will never be *my* workshop or kitchen. It's
Microsoft's.

At this point I have a Win10 laptop that I use mostly just
for online retail research where I need a new browser and to enable
javascript. It's a system that lives in the gutter. Win10 is a
lying whore. (No offense to prostitutes.) I wouldn't
put private data on it. I wouldn't run productivity software on it.
I didn't even bother to get a real Win10 computer. Just a laptop
that I keep in the closet. I take it out when I'm shopping for
something and want to be able to go to crappy sites like Home
Depot, department stores, and so on without the webpage being
all messed up. Many of those sites now require script to see their
images and are loading webp files. My browsers on XP can't even
display a webp file. Website compatibility coding is out the window.
Special effects is all they care about.

For me, a computer is a very practical issue. Like my kitchen or
workshop, I want the tools I use in the places I expect them to be.
I want things clean and simple. I want no spyware. If I'm going
to do things more than once I might want to write a script for
that task. So I've ended up with ultra-efficency that would require
a great deal of work on another system.

I can get used to changes, but not inflexibility. I don't care if Bill
Gates thinks my frying pan should be on the left and saucepans on
the right. I don't care if he thinks my hammers should be where my
screwdrivers are and vice versa. I didn't ask him. Nearly all these
problems are not about change but about removing choice.

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 by: Mayayana - Tue, 24 May 2022 20:17 UTC

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote

| >Same for me. I almost never run anything full screen.
| >
| Nice to know there are others like me! A lot of both people in general,
| and programmers (especially web page designers), are (or act*) very
| surprised when you explain this

You think? I find that most webpages these days are stuck at
1000px wide. They should self-size, but they don't. So there's
no point using the whole screen. But I think they're also writing
more for cellphones, and they don't actually know what they're
ccoding. It's all automated.

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 by: R.Wieser - Tue, 24 May 2022 20:22 UTC

.... Never been able to remember *more than* just a meager few of them.

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 by: nospam - Tue, 24 May 2022 20:32 UTC

In article <t6jegk$r24$1@dont-email.me>, Mayayana
<mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> I find that most webpages these days are stuck at
> 1000px wide. They should self-size, but they don't.

i dunno what pages you visit, but nearly all of them reflow with
changes in the viewport, even down to mobile sized.

> So there's
> no point using the whole screen.

there can be for smaller screens (almost always on mobile), but usually
not for larger displays.

> But I think they're also writing
> more for cellphones, and they don't actually know what they're
> ccoding. It's all automated.

mobile is a *significant* amount of traffic, so they definitely are
including that in their design, and for it to work properly, they
*must* know what they're doing.

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 by: wasbit - Wed, 25 May 2022 08:41 UTC

"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:240520221632044747%nospam@nospam.invalid...
> In article <t6jegk$r24$1@dont-email.me>, Mayayana
> <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>
>> I find that most webpages these days are stuck at
>> 1000px wide. They should self-size, but they don't.
>
> i dunno what pages you visit, but nearly all of them reflow with
> changes in the viewport, even down to mobile sized.
>
> Snip <

FYI
There are quite a number of web pages that don't change to reflect the size
of the viewing area.
There are even some that you can't read what is outside the viewing area
because there are no scroll bars.

--
Regards
wasbit

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 by: Paul - Wed, 25 May 2022 11:13 UTC

On 5/24/2022 2:50 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <t6j82u$uno$1@gioia.aioe.org>, R.Wieser
> <address@not.available> wrote:
>
>> Using higher programming languages I was always troubled by the distance
>> between what I wrote and what it actually got compiled into. It didn't
>> help to read that the compiler could sometimes just "optimize" whole swats
>> of code away, making it not do what the programmer intended.
>
> optimizing means make it faster. it does *not* mean change what it does.
>
>> And the almost always needed typecasting, because everyone can define their
>> own type names. Very funny when you have to deal with a couple of
>> DLLs/externam modules that have been written by different people ...
>
> typecasting is a very good thing. it's much easier to find errors at
> compile time rather than at run time, surprising the user, which is
> never a good thing.
>
>>> when it became a car to drive and not just an engineering
>>> challenge for greasemonkeys.
>>
>> I'm not much of an engineer, but I'm afraid that I am one of those
>> "greasemonkeys". I have /way/ to much fun in having the 'puter do what /I/
>> want instead of the other way around.
>
> who intentionally writes code that does something they don't want?
>
>>> So understanding what really happens underneath came later and was
>>> hard for me to grasp. It's still not second nature for me, the way
>>> it is with fully trained C++ programmers.
>>
>> I've disassembled enough programs make me wonder how many of those "fully
>> trained C++ programmers" who know what is going on beneath their feet ...
>
> they know far more about what's going on than assembly programmers, who
> can't see the big picture.
>
> put another way, they deal in concepts, not micromanaging bits.
>
>> Than again, part of the ugly and rather clumsy code I sometimes see could be
>> the result of a bad compiler. Who knows.
>
> not you.

int main () {

int i; /* Defined at the top of Main */

...

int j; /* Define a variable with the intention of local scope */
for( i = 0; i < 20000000; i++ ){
j=j+1;
}
...

return 0;
}

If compiled with optimization turned off, the loop wastes a few milliseconds.

If we use -O3, the compiler uses reasoning, to note that "j" is
not referenced, after the loop. First it throws away j. Then
next, it re-does the analysis and notes that the loop has
no body code. The compiler reasons the loop can be
replaced with

i=19999999
(j removed from scope)

A few more bits of analysis, and the program exits instantly
with the error status hardwired to return 0.

If we make a small change...

for( i = 0; i < 20000000; i++ ){
j=j+1;
}
printf("The loop executed %d times\n", j);

then the compiler at -O3 cannot remove j.
After the loop runs, a static analysis shows

i=19999999
j=20000000
printf("The loop executed 20000000 times\n"); /* printf is invariant */

The loop has been removed. The program has very short runtime.

In the old days, we used to have compute contests with piss-weak
computing devices, where incrementing a counter was the fastest
thing they did. Imagine how annoyed we'd be, if our ability
to craft a "time wasting loop" was thwarted. Well, that's
a constant issue when dealing with life at -O3.

When I do hobby programming here, I never use -O3.
The compiler people are too clever, by a mile.

A professional programmer could likely give you
a lot more examples of where the compiler people are
just... over-reaching. I've forgotten some of the ones
I've read about. They apply various pragmas to prevent
the overreach at critical points.

And this is a whole design paradigm. At work, some people
argued for the languages we used for design (like chip design),
to be "power user". "Design me a parallel CRC generator
with 32 bit busses on input and output." But the people
in charge, saw the danger in this. They wanted no part of
languages which worked that way. Instead, the code is
"design exactly what I tell you". If you put in j=j+x ,
you would expect an ALU in adder mode, having bit width
suited to the width of j and the width of x. The user
was responsible for making sure the resulting hardware
function, was the function that was desired. Depending
on the cell library, you might remove the Carry-Out on
the ALU and reduce the wasted gates in it.

The end result was, tools which required a lot of lines
of input. But the advantage was, the developer writing
the code, could immediately see at his/her own desk, the
impact of stating constructs a certain way. And not having
to consult the "tool jockey" who made up an intelligent
parser instead. So instead of wasting hours going
"now, why did it make the CRC generator this particular way",
you could while away your hours making the thing work
exactly the way you thought it should be done.

At -O3, you can easily have all the code vacuumed out
of your examples.

Paul

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In article <240520221632044747%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam wrote...
>
> In article <t6jegk$r24$1@dont-email.me>, Mayayana
> <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>
> > I find that most webpages these days are stuck at
> > 1000px wide. They should self-size, but they don't.
>
> i dunno what pages you visit, but nearly all of them reflow with
> changes in the viewport, even down to mobile sized.
>
> > So there's
> > no point using the whole screen.
>
> there can be for smaller screens (almost always on mobile), but usually
> not for larger displays.
>
> > But I think they're also writing
> > more for cellphones, and they don't actually know what they're
> > ccoding. It's all automated.
>
> mobile is a *significant* amount of traffic, so they definitely are
> including that in their design, and for it to work properly, they
> *must* know what they're doing.

Worth noting that there's a whole art of building "responsive" webpages, where
text, images and layout are optimised for the detected width of the viewport.
In particular, the CSS styling notation for the web has a feature called "media
queries", where layout can be quite drastically changed below a specified width
in pixels. A table, for example, can be re-interpreted as a list with fewer
columns. More on this here, if you're interested in a gentle introduction:
https://www.w3schools.com/css/css3_mediaqueries_ex.asp

If you're not familiar with CSS, or "Cascading Style Sheets", the approach for
some time has been to separate "content" HTML tags (like Image, Header,
Paragraph) from "styling" tags (CSS) like Bold, color, margin, position. This
is often done in two separate but linked files read together by the browser.
So the identical HTML can be re-imagined quite drastically by changing the
style-sheets. For a dramatic demonstration of this, see:
http://www.csszengarden.com/
(Tip - be sure to click the design name, not the designer name, to see the
various renderings.)

I've found CSS easy enough to learn, but very, very hard to master.

--

Phil, London

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"wasbit" <wasbitREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote

| FYI
| There are quite a number of web pages that don't change to reflect the
size
| of the viewing area.
| There are even some that you can't read what is outside the viewing area
| because there are no scroll bars.
| Nospam just likes to argue. He'll tell you the sky isn't
blue. If you prove it is he'll say, "Not when it's cloudy!"
Some days he's worse than others. I can't tell whether
nospam is a real person with well worn synapses or whether
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nuts out at Stanford trying to make convincing chat bots.

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 by: Paul - Wed, 25 May 2022 12:28 UTC

On 5/24/2022 2:43 PM, R.Wieser wrote:
> Frank,
>
>> Assembly is needlessly bloated! Real Men Microcode!
>
> And when they need to change it they do it on the chip, using a fine-pointed
> needle to flip the bits !
>
>> And using assembly just means you're too dumb to remember the opcodes.
>
> Ackkk... You got me there I'm afraid. Never been able to remember just a
> meager few of them .. :-p
>
> Regards,
> Rudy Wieser

When you did these things, the machines were simple enough you
could use a fold out programming card.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzhObIaWEAA9znx?format=jpg&name=small

According to the 2020-11-01 entry here, the Intel instruction
set is now up to 2000 instructions. My guess is, HLL still use
300 of the instructions, meaning the other 1700 are never used.

(Agner Fox is a proponent of "sanity in instruction sets")

https://www.agner.org/optimize/blog/read.php?i=25

And some of those extensions, for the most part they
are hand coded. Like the Prime95 guy might use them.
He's the person that detected that some AVX option
wasn't working so well, when he introduced it into
some hand-rolled assembler. When he released his modified
version, some end users noted problems.

Kens processor likely has the AVX512 pinned off now, by
a microcode update. Because (apparently), Intel did not
intend for it to be enabled on the 12th gen. And processors
produced from this date, no longer have it factory enabled
(so changing microcode patch files won't change the behavior
on them).

I don't think anybody has even read all 2000 instructions,
let alone analyzed them for "useful programming patterns".

Paul

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 by: nospam - Wed, 25 May 2022 13:11 UTC

In article <t6jdrp$1hn7$1@gioia.aioe.org>, R.Wieser
<address@not.available> wrote:

>
> > optimizing means make it faster.
>
> No, it doesn't. Not by a long shot.

it doesn't?

> Though mostly the /effect/ of those
> optimalisations is a faster running program.

but it does?

you just said it doesn't.

you're contradicting yourself.

> > it does *not* mean change what it does.
>
> Do a wild guess why I put the word between quotes ...

there's no need for any guesses when it's obvious that you have no idea
what you're talking about.

> > typecasting is a very good thing.
>
> In its intention ? Sure.

it fulfills that intention, in several different ways.

> But not when the programmer gets warnings about
> them every second variable he's trying to use. Which /will/ happen when
> trying to use third-party stuff - for the reason I already described.

that's a lot of words to say you haven't used 'third party stuff' much,
if you have at all, with a deliberately vague description because you
do not understand anything about it.

> >> I'm not much of an engineer, but I'm afraid that I am one of those
> >> "greasemonkeys". I have /way/ to much fun in having the 'puter do what
> >> /I/ want instead of the other way around.
> >
> > who intentionally writes code that does something they don't want?
>
> Lol. I suggest you re-read what I said. Focus on the last line you quoted.
>
> If that doesn't help, think about you and a car salesman. What would you
> like better : the car salesman taking you for a ride, or the other way
> around.

i'd like it better (as would others) if you didn't pretend to know more
than you actually do and maybe even try to learn something, but that's
wishful thinking.

> > they know far more about what's going on than assembly programmers,
> > who can't see the big picture.
>
> If you say so.

i do, as does anyone who does even casual programming, let alone
professionally.

> > put another way, they deal in concepts, not micromanaging bits.
>
> Yep. And by that feat they lose sight of the cost of what they write

no they very definitely don't.

in fact, it's the opposite, they have a much better idea of what's
going on.

> - and
> depend on their compilers to optimize whatever they come up with into the
> most optimum form possible.

compilers produce *much* better code than humans can in almost every
case, particularly with modern processors.

the exceptions are very rare and in very specific and well understood
scenarios (just not by you).

you're also ignoring the huge cost of writing in assembly, which is
*very* substantial, along with the limitation of it being non-portable.

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In article <t6kq46$gg$1@dont-email.me>, wasbit
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> There are quite a number of web pages that don't change to reflect the size
> of the viewing area.

some web designers are incompetent and do not test their work (or if
they do, they ignore that it doesn't work). however, that is the
exception, not the rule.

> There are even some that you can't read what is outside the viewing area
> because there are no scroll bars.

i've never seen that. do you have an example?

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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote in
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[Top-posted for brevity]

I don't quite understand...

Why can't you move it back, or "un"- resize it ?

> (I'm on 7, but the problem applies to XP and 10 too, and
> the solution - if there is one! - may be universal.)
>
> Occasionally, I accidentally either move a window, or drag
> one of its sides, by mistake - while doing (or intending
> to) something else with the mouse pointer, it catches on an
> edge, or more likely a title bar. (Unlike a lot of people,
> I _don't_ operate most of my windows full-screen most of
> the time, so their relative sizes and positions are
> important to me.)
>
> I discovered fairly recently that _if I notice while the
> movement is in process_ (I just see the _outline_ move, i.
> e. I've still got the "mouse button pressed" [actually I
> use a touchpad, but similar applies]), I can cancel the
> move/resize by - keeping the button pressed and - pressing
> the Esc key. But if I don't - anyone know of a way of
> undoing a window move/resize? (Ctrl-Z doesn't seem to
> work.)

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On 5/23/2022 6:27 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> (I'm on 7, but the problem applies to XP and 10 too, and the solution -
> if there is one! - may be universal.)
>
> Occasionally, I accidentally either move a window, or drag one of its
> sides, by mistake - while doing (or intending to) something else with
> the mouse pointer, it catches on an edge, or more likely a title bar.
> (Unlike a lot of people, I _don't_ operate most of my windows
> full-screen most of the time, so their relative sizes and positions are
> important to me.)
>
> I discovered fairly recently that _if I notice while the movement is in
> process_ (I just see the _outline_ move, i. e. I've still got the "mouse
> button pressed" [actually I use a touchpad, but similar applies]), I can
> cancel the move/resize by - keeping the button pressed and - pressing
> the Esc key. But if I don't - anyone know of a way of undoing a window
> move/resize? (Ctrl-Z doesn't seem to work.)

make a batch with a shortcut key to it for each window you are concerned
about. In the batch only need NirCmd to set size and position
<https://nircmd.nirsoft.net/win.html>

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 by: R.Wieser - Wed, 25 May 2022 15:19 UTC

Paul,

> When you did these things, the machines were simple enough you
> could use a fold out programming card.

Never had one of those, but yes, the printed-out ones where nice and short.
That already started to change with the 286 I started with - which also
started to become less logically ordered (with the new commands placed
here-and-there)

.... aaaand I see you ninja-ed me with that next link. :-)

> I don't think anybody has even read all 2000 instructions,
> let alone analyzed them for "useful programming patterns".

I certainly haven't. Double for all the added special groups. Heck, I only
started to look at the FPU instructions when I tried to create some 3D
scenes using OpenGL.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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 by: R.Wieser - Wed, 25 May 2022 15:36 UTC

nospam,

>> > optimizing means make it faster.
>>
>> No, it doesn't. Not by a long shot.
>
> it doesn't?
>
>> Though mostly the /effect/ of those
>> optimalisations is a faster running program.
>
> but it does?
>
> you just said it doesn't.

Look up the word "means". I'm pretty sure that it doesn't mean what you
think it does.

Kiddo, you have a serious comprehension problem - or that is just the way
you play your game.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Wed, 25 May 2022 16:24 UTC

On Tue, 24 May 2022 at 12:09:05, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>"R.Wieser" <address@not.available> wrote
>
>| Nope, hand-crafted and to be compiled into a .RES file using brc32.exe
>| (Borland Resource Compiler). I'm the guy writing Windows programs in
>| Assembly, remember.
>|
>
> Interesting. I didn't know that. I decided to learn assemby
>at one point, but didn't get far. I'm not really a math person.

Assembly isn't all to do with math(s) - in fact I don't think I ever did
any that was, but then I've not done assembly at all for years. (And
very little on x86 machines - more on earlier processors. [Or in work,
ones - bit-slice - we'd designed ourselves, including the interpreter.])

>I'm sort of a design-builder, an expert at straddling science
>and art, but not a master of either. So I write code with a
>practical sense. Once it works I like to optimize, but what I
>like about VB is that I can just skip all the grunt work and
>focus on the main functionality.

VB - or any other high-level language - isn't going to be that
efficient, even if you do optimisation by rewriting it. As (I think it
was) Paul pointed out, a good compiler (or whatever the right word is
for what processes VB code) can do amazing things, but it's likely never
to approach real hand-coded code. However, it's a darn sight easier
(especially not to miss something that will break something); I suspect
if I ever do any coding again, it won't be in assembler.
>
> I dabbled a bit in C++ and could see the appeal. Compared
>to VB it's like riding without a seat belt or a floor. But I just
>wasn't ambitious enough to master it. And it's a damned ugly
>language.

(I never got into the plusses. I did learn raw C. Yes, there's a
definite appeal to it. [And definite cliquiness too, which I've been
guilty of too, though I hope less than some.])
>
>| > Strange to look back and realize the age of popular computing
>| > lasted a mere 30-odd years.
>|
>| Same for hobby electronics. For a number of years I designed circuits,
>| turned them into layouts and etched PCBs for them, drilled the holes and
>| soldered the components in. Nowerdays the miniaturisation of the
>components
>| doesn't allow for that anymore. A gone era.
>|
When I got into electronics - late 70s, I think (and in UK) - it was
still possible to save money by building your own - if you used modules.
By then, it wasn't really money-saving to put the discrete components
together yourself, so the only people who did were those after
ultra-good hifi, or other things not available by using pre-built
modules. Not too long after that, it became cheaper to buy most things
ready-made, which killed the hobby really, apart from as I said the
hi-fi enthusiasts and other specialised requirements.

With PCs, when I came in - probably 1980s, I can't remember - you could
definitely save money by selecting and assembling the various component
modules yourself, and also get something very much more what you wanted;
I think the economic side faded out about the start of XP (not least
because the cost of Windows shot up about then). Over the years after
that, the performance of the various bits improved to the extent that,
although some people do still assemble their own for the ultimate in
either performance or some other parameter (including appearance!),
they're very much in the minority: if I go into a branch of PC World
here now, I'm not sure if I can even find things like memory,
processors, graphics cards - only ready-built PCs.

(Sorry, I've deviated from what you were talking about which was
software coding rather than hardware, but I think similar applies: what
more and more of us are using if we do any "coding" uses higher and
higher languages.)
>
> Ah. An oldtimer. I was never around for the early days. I only
>discovered computers with Win98, when it became a car to drive
>and not just an engineering challenge for greasemonkeys. I think
>that crippled my understanding, partly. I'm an auto-didact in

Yes, a bit. Though I very much doubt I'll ever do any assembler again,
having done some does give me a bit of knowledge of what's going on. In
much the same way as having started out in an old-fashioned engineering
firm where I did proper workshop training - learning to use lathe,
milling machine, welder, fitting tools (files etc.), wiring, and so on -
although I'm unlikely now to actually do these, gives me a bit more
understanding of what can be _done_.

>GUI programming. So understanding what really happens underneath
>came later and was hard for me to grasp. It's still not second nature
>for me, the way it is with fully trained C++ programmers.
>
>
On the other hand, you could knock something up in VB very quickly,
whereas I'd have a steep learning curve.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Remembrance of things past is not necessarily the remembrance of things as
they were. - Marcel Proust

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On Tue, 24 May 2022 at 16:14:43, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
[]
> I think I feel the same way. But the main thing for me is control.
>They want to put the Start menu in the middle? OK. But can I move
>it if I want to? Each version has made it harder to change things
>to the way I find convenient. Ribbon menus? OK. But why can't
>they also be switched back? I want to be able to cruise at top
>speed, without thinking about it. I don't want to be zipping along
>and suddenly get a big window asking whether I want to copy a
>file, replace it, or add with a different name. Huh? Shut up! All I
>need is a simple message: Overwrite existing file?

I think Dan and some others would say that the "control" you want is the
right to change it _back_ - i. e. they'd say you aren't willing to spend
the time learning the new way, even if it is actually better.

I'm with you (-: - my Win7 screen looks very like my 98SE one did.
Basically, I've developed "muscle memory" - and similar phrases - for
how to do things, in some cases very quickly, and I get cross when a
change is _imposed_ on me. But I do concede that _sometimes_ "the new
way" is better, once I've learnt it. I do say "but" a lot though. And
I'm unlikely to change much, especially now: I operate on the "trailing
edge", though I do _try_ to keep up with _some_ aspects of the new.
>
> With Win7 I spent weeks figuring out how to make it civilized.

Yup. Classic Shell, turning off services, and so on ... (-:

>I even wrote my own program to remove file restrictions in bulk.
>I find it reasonably usable but not optimized. With Win10 I just
>avoid using it. It's no
>fun.

Yes. Fighting the OS _can_ be fun - up to a point. But one becomes weary
- especially when you have to do it all over again, just slightly
differently.

> Can I stop it calling home? Not sure. It changes services
>settings without asking. It's crazy bloated. Much of it can be
>customized, but not like it used to be. And now I just use the
>popular tweak programs rather than writing my own. It's not
>worth the trouble. So, yeah, it's OK. But with Win10 I'm kind of
>drawing a line. It's spyware. I probably can't undo that. So if
>I ever have to give up XP I'll probably go to 7 or Linux. If I
>have to give up 7 then I'll probably just hold my nose and switch
>to Linux. Win10 will never be *my* workshop or kitchen. It's
>Microsoft's.
>
> At this point I have a Win10 laptop that I use mostly just
>for online retail research where I need a new browser and to enable
>javascript. It's a system that lives in the gutter. Win10 is a
>lying whore. (No offense to prostitutes.) I wouldn't
>put private data on it. I wouldn't run productivity software on it.
>I didn't even bother to get a real Win10 computer. Just a laptop

I have one I was given for parish council work (lowest level of
government in UK, unpaid). I use it for that - it's just _easier_, for
interacting with others using one (it's set up with Office365, Outlook,
and so on). I occasionally use it if I want to find out how to do
something in a recent Word that I know how to do in my 2003 version - so
I can tell someone else how to do it. It's a nice enough machine - just
no _fun_. When I started in computing, even in PCs, it _was_ fun - and I
still _enjoy_ using this customised 7 machine.

>that I keep in the closet. I take it out when I'm shopping for
>something and want to be able to go to crappy sites like Home
>Depot, department stores, and so on without the webpage being
>all messed up. Many of those sites now require script to see their
>images and are loading webp files. My browsers on XP can't even
>display a webp file.

(I don't even know what webp is, though I'm sure I use such pages.)

> Website compatibility coding is out the window.
>Special effects is all they care about.

Boy are you right there.
[]
> I can get used to changes, but not inflexibility. I don't care if Bill
>Gates thinks my frying pan should be on the left and saucepans on
>the right. I don't care if he thinks my hammers should be where my
>screwdrivers are and vice versa. I didn't ask him. Nearly all these
>problems are not about change but about removing choice.
>
They would argue that if they let you choose, you'd always choose the
old way because it's less effort than learning the new way, for a
benefit that's not always obvious - and thus you'd never benefit. I can
see that argument; I even agree with it in theory; but like you, I want
the _option_ of not changing, even if it means I'm inefficient in the
long run.
>
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they were. - Marcel Proust

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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Wed, 25 May 2022 16:52 UTC

On Wed, 25 May 2022 at 09:41:36, wasbit <wasbitREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote
(my responses usually FOLLOW):
>"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>news:240520221632044747%nospam@nospam.invalid...
>> In article <t6jegk$r24$1@dont-email.me>, Mayayana
>> <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>
>>> I find that most webpages these days are stuck at
>>> 1000px wide. They should self-size, but they don't.

Ah, you may be right at the top end; my main gripe is at the bottom end.
>>
>> i dunno what pages you visit, but nearly all of them reflow with
>> changes in the viewport, even down to mobile sized.

Hm. We obviously visit very different sites! I find reflow to be a
rarity: I have to scroll horizontally a lot more than I once did.
Scripting is _presumably_ the reason; reflow is intrinsic to basic HTML,
so for a page/box/whatever _not_ to reflow means a deliberate decision -
and action - has been taken to stop it happening. Many webpages now are
more like PDF documents - you'll take the width _we_ want, and like it.
>>
>> Snip <
>
>FYI
>There are quite a number of web pages that don't change to reflect the
>size of the viewing area.
>There are even some that you can't read what is outside the viewing
>area because there are no scroll bars.
>
Yes, I've seen those. And/or where an important button - such as the
"next" button - is outside my viewing width, so I don't immediately
realise it exists (and in the case where they've killed off the scroll
bars, can't get to it anyway).
--
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- Paul in alt.comp.os.windows-10 and comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage and
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On Wed, 25 May 2022 at 08:24:26, DanS
<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote (my responses
usually FOLLOW):
>"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote in
>news:eNo30kyGG2iiFwAq@a.a:
>
>[Top-posted for brevity]
>
>I don't quite understand...
>
>Why can't you move it back, or "un"- resize it ?
[]
I can - but usually, if I've done a move/resize _by mistake_ (because a
mouse movement caught an edge or title bar), I don't know where to
move/resize it back _to_.

Yes, you can say "if you don't know where it was, does it matter?"; to
which I can answer yes - just because I couldn't _tell_ you where it
was, (a) doesn't mean I'm happy with it changing, (b) I may
subconsciously rely on it being where it was, even if I couldn't tell
you.
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On Wed, 25 May 2022 at 11:02:49, Zaidy036 <Eric@Bloch.com> wrote (my
responses usually FOLLOW):
>On 5/23/2022 6:27 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>> (I'm on 7, but the problem applies to XP and 10 too, and the solution
>>- if there is one! - may be universal.)
>> Occasionally, I accidentally either move a window, or drag one of
>>its sides, by mistake - while doing (or intending to) something else
>>with the mouse pointer, it catches on an edge, or more likely a title
>>bar. (Unlike a lot of people, I _don't_ operate most of my windows
>>full-screen most of the time, so their relative sizes and positions
>>are important to me.)
>> I discovered fairly recently that _if I notice while the movement is
>>in process_ (I just see the _outline_ move, i. e. I've still got the
>>"mouse button pressed" [actually I use a touchpad, but similar
>>applies]), I can cancel the move/resize by - keeping the button
>>pressed and - pressing the Esc key. But if I don't - anyone know of a
>>way of undoing a window move/resize? (Ctrl-Z doesn't seem to work.)
>
>make a batch with a shortcut key to it for each window you are
>concerned about. In the batch only need NirCmd to set size and position
><https://nircmd.nirsoft.net/win.html>

Seems like an awful lot of work! I also don't necessarily always put the
windows I use a lot in the same place - but once I've opened them, I
don't want to move/resize them unless I do it deliberately. So
predefined sizes wouldn't help.
--
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