"The beta version of the upcoming Linux Mint 21.2 'Victoria'
distribution has been uploaded today to the main server and official
mirrors for adventurous users who want to get a glimpse of what’s new
in the forthcoming release.(...)"
Article:
<https://9to5linux.com/linux-mint-21-2-beta-is-now-available-for-download-with-cinnamon-5-8>

goto https://linuxmint.com/mirrors.php
goto your favorite mirror
goto testing folder

For the curious and courageous ;-)

Yrrah

On 6/20/23 14:10, Yrrah wrote:
> "The beta version of the upcoming Linux Mint 21.2 'Victoria'
> distribution has been uploaded today to the main server and official
> mirrors for adventurous users who want to get a glimpse of what’s new
> in the forthcoming release.(...)"
> Article:
> <https://9to5linux.com/linux-mint-21-2-beta-is-now-available-for-download-with-cinnamon-5-8>
>
> goto https://linuxmint.com/mirrors.php
> goto your favorite mirror
> goto testing folder
>
> For the curious and courageous ;-)
>
>
> Yrrah
>
>
I guess they did not even fix a single bug.
Correct me if I am wrong.

--
-------------

The moment any organization established from pure noble intentions get
some influence, it will be corrupted from both inside and outside.
Then we have organizations established from pure evil.

Edmund

On 6/20/23 09:03, this is what Edmund wrote:
> On 6/20/23 14:10, Yrrah wrote:
>> "The beta version of the upcoming Linux Mint 21.2 'Victoria'
>> distribution has been uploaded today to the main server and official
>> mirrors for adventurous users who want to get a glimpse of what’s new
>> in the forthcoming release.(...)"
>> Article:
>> <https://9to5linux.com/linux-mint-21-2-beta-is-now-available-for-download-with-cinnamon-5-8>
>>
>> goto  https://linuxmint.com/mirrors.php
>> goto your favorite mirror
>> goto testing folder
>>
>> For the curious and courageous ;-)
>>
>>
>> Yrrah
>>
>>
> I guess they did not even fix a single bug.
> Correct me if I am wrong.
>
>
You mean there are bugs? Really?
--
Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamon 5.6.8
Al

On 6/20/23 16:57, Big Al wrote:
> On 6/20/23 09:03, this is what Edmund wrote:
>> On 6/20/23 14:10, Yrrah wrote:
>>> "The beta version of the upcoming Linux Mint 21.2 'Victoria'
>>> distribution has been uploaded today to the main server and official
>>> mirrors for adventurous users who want to get a glimpse of what’s new
>>> in the forthcoming release.(...)"
>>> Article:
>>> <https://9to5linux.com/linux-mint-21-2-beta-is-now-available-for-download-with-cinnamon-5-8>
>>>
>>> goto  https://linuxmint.com/mirrors.php
>>> goto your favorite mirror
>>> goto testing folder
>>>
>>> For the curious and courageous ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Yrrah
>>>
>>>
>> I guess they did not even fix a single bug.
>> Correct me if I am wrong.
>>
>>
> You mean there are bugs?  Really?

Of course not, I am, joking. Everybody of the linux religion knows our
religion the the one and only and is perfect.

Oh wait that would rule out updates... let me think about that.

Edmund

--
-------------

The moment any organization established from pure noble intentions get
some influence, it will be corrupted from both inside and outside.
Then we have organizations established from pure evil.

Edmund

On 6/20/23 12:33, this is what Edmund wrote:
> On 6/20/23 16:57, Big Al wrote:
>> On 6/20/23 09:03, this is what Edmund wrote:
>>> On 6/20/23 14:10, Yrrah wrote:
>>>> "The beta version of the upcoming Linux Mint 21.2 'Victoria'
>>>> distribution has been uploaded today to the main server and official
>>>> mirrors for adventurous users who want to get a glimpse of what’s new
>>>> in the forthcoming release.(...)"
>>>> Article:
>>>> <https://9to5linux.com/linux-mint-21-2-beta-is-now-available-for-download-with-cinnamon-5-8>
>>>>
>>>> goto  https://linuxmint.com/mirrors.php
>>>> goto your favorite mirror
>>>> goto testing folder
>>>>
>>>> For the curious and courageous ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yrrah
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I guess they did not even fix a single bug.
>>> Correct me if I am wrong.
>>>
>>>
>> You mean there are bugs?  Really?
>
> Of course not, I am, joking. Everybody of the linux religion knows our religion the the one and only and is perfect.
>
> Oh wait that would rule out updates... let me think about that.
>
> Edmund
>
Yes, as much as we love Linux or Windows, (can't speak for Mac) it's never smooth.
I do say I think I have less issues here, but then I can get around on this OS in a split second.
--
Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamon 5.6.8
Al

On 6/20/23 21:27, Big Al wrote:
> On 6/20/23 12:33, this is what Edmund wrote:
>> On 6/20/23 16:57, Big Al wrote:
>>> On 6/20/23 09:03, this is what Edmund wrote:
>>>> On 6/20/23 14:10, Yrrah wrote:
>>>>> "The beta version of the upcoming Linux Mint 21.2 'Victoria'
>>>>> distribution has been uploaded today to the main server and official
>>>>> mirrors for adventurous users who want to get a glimpse of what’s new
>>>>> in the forthcoming release.(...)"
>>>>> Article:
>>>>> <https://9to5linux.com/linux-mint-21-2-beta-is-now-available-for-download-with-cinnamon-5-8>
>>>>>
>>>>> goto  https://linuxmint.com/mirrors.php
>>>>> goto your favorite mirror
>>>>> goto testing folder
>>>>>
>>>>> For the curious and courageous ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yrrah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I guess they did not even fix a single bug.
>>>> Correct me if I am wrong.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You mean there are bugs?  Really?
>>
>> Of course not, I am, joking. Everybody of the linux religion knows our
>> religion the the one and only and is perfect.
>>
>> Oh wait that would rule out updates... let me think about that.
>>
>> Edmund
>>
> Yes, as much as we love Linux or Windows, (can't speak for Mac) it's
> never smooth.
> I do say I think I have less issues here, but then I can get around on
> this OS in a split second.

You do understand the point I made, right?

Edmund

--
-------------

The moment any organization established from pure noble intentions get
some influence, it will be corrupted from both inside and outside.
Then we have organizations established from pure evil.

Edmund

Big Al <Bears@invalid.com>:
> Yes, as much as we love Linux or Windows, (can't speak for Mac) it's never smooth.
> I do say I think I have less issues here, but then I can get around on this OS in a split second.

Linux Mint Cinnamon suits my OS needs pretty well and I can live with
its imperfections. The idea of an OS or other complex software without
flaws is fiction. I haven't used a Mac since the 1990s, but MS
Windows, oh! the horror...

Yrrah

On 6/21/23 14:21, Yrrah wrote:
> Big Al <Bears@invalid.com>:
>
>> Yes, as much as we love Linux or Windows, (can't speak for Mac) it's never smooth.
>> I do say I think I have less issues here, but then I can get around on this OS in a split second.
>
> Linux Mint Cinnamon suits my OS needs pretty well and I can live with
> its imperfections. The idea of an OS or other complex software without
> flaws is fiction. I haven't used a Mac since the 1990s, but MS
> Windows, oh! the horror...
>
> Yrrah
>
Imperfecrtions?? Oh you blasphemer to the stake with you!

--
-------------

The moment any organization established from pure noble intentions get
some influence, it will be corrupted from both inside and outside.
Then we have organizations established from pure evil.

Edmund

On 6/21/23 04:25, this is what Edmund wrote:
> On 6/20/23 21:27, Big Al wrote:
>> On 6/20/23 12:33, this is what Edmund wrote:
>>> On 6/20/23 16:57, Big Al wrote:
>>>> On 6/20/23 09:03, this is what Edmund wrote:
>>>>> On 6/20/23 14:10, Yrrah wrote:
>>>>>> "The beta version of the upcoming Linux Mint 21.2 'Victoria'
>>>>>> distribution has been uploaded today to the main server and official
>>>>>> mirrors for adventurous users who want to get a glimpse of what’s new
>>>>>> in the forthcoming release.(...)"
>>>>>> Article:
>>>>>> <https://9to5linux.com/linux-mint-21-2-beta-is-now-available-for-download-with-cinnamon-5-8>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> goto  https://linuxmint.com/mirrors.php
>>>>>> goto your favorite mirror
>>>>>> goto testing folder
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the curious and courageous ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yrrah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I guess they did not even fix a single bug.
>>>>> Correct me if I am wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> You mean there are bugs?  Really?
>>>
>>> Of course not, I am, joking. Everybody of the linux religion knows our religion the the one and only and is perfect.
>>>
>>> Oh wait that would rule out updates... let me think about that.
>>>
>>> Edmund
>>>
>> Yes, as much as we love Linux or Windows, (can't speak for Mac) it's never smooth.
>> I do say I think I have less issues here, but then I can get around on this OS in a split second.
>
> You do understand the point I made, right?
>
> Edmund
>
>
Yes. I guess I'm not wording my replies well. Works better when voice/facial expressions are taken in.

--
Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamon 5.6.8
Al

On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 14:21:00 +0200, Yrrah wrote:

> Big Al <Bears@invalid.com>:
>
>> Yes, as much as we love Linux or Windows, (can't speak for Mac) it's
>> never smooth.
>> I do say I think I have less issues here, but then I can get around on
>> this OS in a split second.
>
> Linux Mint Cinnamon suits my OS needs pretty well and I can live with
> its imperfections. The idea of an OS or other complex software without
> flaws is fiction. I haven't used a Mac since the 1990s, but MS Windows,
> oh! the horror...
>
> Yrrah

+1

--
Pull my finger

On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 14:21:00 +0200, Yrrah wrote:

> Linux Mint Cinnamon suits my OS needs pretty well and I can live
> with its imperfections. The idea of an OS or other complex
> software without flaws is fiction. I haven't used a Mac since the
> 1990s, but MS Windows, oh! the horror...

What horror?

On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 12:28:13 +0100
mechanic <mechanic@example.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 14:21:00 +0200, Yrrah wrote:
>
> > Linux Mint Cinnamon suits my OS needs pretty well and I can live
> > with its imperfections. The idea of an OS or other complex
> > software without flaws is fiction. I haven't used a Mac since the
> > 1990s, but MS Windows, oh! the horror...
>
> What horror?

The horror of looking at it. It makes me want to throw up.

On 6/21/23 14:56, Big Al wrote:
> On 6/21/23 04:25, this is what Edmund wrote:
>> On 6/20/23 21:27, Big Al wrote:
>>> On 6/20/23 12:33, this is what Edmund wrote:
>>>> On 6/20/23 16:57, Big Al wrote:
>>>>> On 6/20/23 09:03, this is what Edmund wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/20/23 14:10, Yrrah wrote:
>>>>>>> "The beta version of the upcoming Linux Mint 21.2 'Victoria'
>>>>>>> distribution has been uploaded today to the main server and official
>>>>>>> mirrors for adventurous users who want to get a glimpse of what’s
>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>> in the forthcoming release.(...)"
>>>>>>> Article:
>>>>>>> <https://9to5linux.com/linux-mint-21-2-beta-is-now-available-for-download-with-cinnamon-5-8>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> goto  https://linuxmint.com/mirrors.php
>>>>>>> goto your favorite mirror
>>>>>>> goto testing folder
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the curious and courageous ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yrrah
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess they did not even fix a single bug.
>>>>>> Correct me if I am wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> You mean there are bugs?  Really?
>>>>
>>>> Of course not, I am, joking. Everybody of the linux religion knows
>>>> our religion the the one and only and is perfect.
>>>>
>>>> Oh wait that would rule out updates... let me think about that.
>>>>
>>>> Edmund
>>>>
>>> Yes, as much as we love Linux or Windows, (can't speak for Mac) it's
>>> never smooth.
>>> I do say I think I have less issues here, but then I can get around
>>> on this OS in a split second.
>>
>> You do understand the point I made, right?
>>
>> Edmund
>>
>>
> Yes.  I guess I'm not wording my replies well.  Works better when
> voice/facial expressions are taken in.

Well there nothing wrong with the way you put it, my question is
because as per usual, any form of critic on “linux” results in
people attacking the messenger or explaining it away.

IMO this is a really silly and it is most definitely not helping
anyone ever. There is a lot to say about “linux” stupidities
and releasing new releases without EVER!!!! fixing a single bug
is one of them.
>

--
-------------

The moment any organization established from pure noble intentions get
some influence, it will be corrupted from both inside and outside.
Then we have organizations established from pure evil.

Edmund

On 6/22/2023 10:59 AM, Edmund wrote:

>
> Well there nothing wrong with the way you put it, my question is
> because as per usual, any form of critic on “linux” results in
> people attacking the messenger or explaining it away.
>
> IMO this is a really silly and it is most definitely not helping
> anyone ever. There is a lot to say about “linux” stupidities
> and releasing new releases without EVER!!!! fixing a single bug
> is one of them.

upstream-developer kernel.org Google Earth (outside of tree example)
| | |
| +----------------+ |
| |
| |
debian Modifies package, patches package, curation not the best
| Money makes things happen... if you want better and better curation.
|
ubuntu Quality curation happens here. Some bits, only a dev would appreciate :-)
|
linuxmint Percentage-wise, most packages imported. DE custom mods.
| Small team. Not many hands available to serve Edmund a
| three course meal.
|
Edmund <Hungry>

When a LinuxMint developer makes a change to a package they
control the source of, you expect a release note.

And there are release notes.

If a kernel.org submission fixes a USB driver, look at
how many levels are involved, for your proposed "bug buster
percolation model".

In my wildest imagination, I could not envisage a way that
every detail could percolate to the user, every source line
that Edmund cares about, would magically flash in front of
his eyes for approval.

As an example of this, look at Firefox browser. 300,000 files ?
A hundred different text file types. Most are not source
(test benches). It's unlikely that a single human, has read
every file in the tarball. Only ChatGPT could write a summary
of changes from release to release. Most of the work there,
involves adding new bugs (rolling release model).

There *is* a lot of information exposed. You can compile a
lot of things from their Debian origins. (An agent like a LLM
probably could access a hundred web sites and build a bugfixed list.)

apt-get source firefox # Not on Ubuntu (snap), not on LM (custom Mozilla contract)
# Only via tarball or mercurial or other method (I have done this)

apt-get source gparted # this should work and should include Debian patch file.

If you look in a source folder that is produced by running that,
you can get some info on the package.

But pulling from all the bugtrackers ? I would not know where to begin.

Paul

On 6/22/2023 8:39 AM, Johnny wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 12:28:13 +0100
> mechanic <mechanic@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 14:21:00 +0200, Yrrah wrote:
>>
>>> Linux Mint Cinnamon suits my OS needs pretty well and I can live
>>> with its imperfections. The idea of an OS or other complex
>>> software without flaws is fiction. I haven't used a Mac since the
>>> 1990s, but MS Windows, oh! the horror...
>>
>> What horror?
>
> The horror of looking at it. It makes me want to throw up.
>

Change the background image.

Without a license, only the Personalize menu does not work. But you can
get around the background image, as there is a right-click shell entry
that causes the selected image to be used as a background. That's
how I get a "solid color" image on my test screens, instead of the
various awful default backgrounds.

Yes, the antialiasing is bad. The twits use three different
methods on the same screen presentation (none, ClearType, GrayscaleType).
That's not helping. It makes me want to shop for a 4K screen, which
I have no intention of doing. When you check the color of the
central black pixels, they're not black, they're gray, and that
too is not helping.

But I have power tools here. Archive manager ? Get outta here. Decompression example.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/R0yJjBDd/third-party-software-makes-up-for-the-rest.gif

To compare compression on Linux versus Windows, would take
a lot more runs, and it's just too damn hot in here for
any more of those runs today. I would pick a Linux drive and
a Windows drive, and compare BZ2 to 7z on the same hardware,
as a test case.

Paul

On 6/22/23 17:54, Paul wrote:
> On 6/22/2023 10:59 AM, Edmund wrote:
>
>>
>> Well there nothing wrong with the way you put it, my question is
>> because as per usual, any form of critic on “linux” results in
>> people attacking the messenger or explaining it away.
>>
>> IMO this is a really silly and it is most definitely not helping
>> anyone ever. There is a lot to say about “linux” stupidities
>> and releasing new releases without EVER!!!! fixing a single bug
>> is one of them.
>
> upstream-developer   kernel.org   Google Earth (outside of tree example)
>    |                   |                 |
>    |  +----------------+                 |
>    |  |
>    |  |
>   debian   Modifies package, patches package, curation not the best
>    |       Money makes things happen... if you want better and better
> curation.
>    |
>   ubuntu   Quality curation happens here. Some bits, only a dev would
> appreciate :-)
>    |
>   linuxmint  Percentage-wise, most packages imported. DE custom mods.
>    |         Small team. Not many hands available to serve Edmund a
>    |         three course meal.
>    |
>   Edmund     <Hungry>
>
> When a LinuxMint developer makes a change to a package they
> control the source of, you expect a release note.
>
> And there are release notes.
>
> If a kernel.org submission fixes a USB driver, look at
> how many levels are involved, for your proposed "bug buster
> percolation model".
>
> In my wildest imagination, I could not envisage a way that
> every detail could percolate to the user, every source line
> that Edmund cares about, would magically flash in front of
> his eyes for approval.
>
> As an example of this, look at Firefox browser. 300,000 files ?
> A hundred different text file types. Most are not source
> (test benches). It's unlikely that a single human, has read
> every file in the tarball. Only ChatGPT could write a summary
> of changes from release to release. Most of the work there,
> involves adding new bugs (rolling release model).
>
> There *is* a lot of information exposed. You can compile a
> lot of things from their Debian origins. (An agent like a LLM
> probably could access a hundred web sites and build a bugfixed list.)
>
>    apt-get source firefox  # Not on Ubuntu (snap), not on LM (custom
> Mozilla contract)
>                            # Only via tarball or mercurial or other
> method (I have done this)
>
>    apt-get source gparted  # this should work and should include Debian
> patch file.
>
> If you look in a source folder that is produced by running that,
> you can get some info on the package.
>
> But pulling from all the bugtrackers ?  I would not know where to begin.
>
>    Paul

Thanks you for confirming my point.

Edmund

--
-------------

The moment any organization established from pure noble intentions get
some influence, it will be corrupted from both inside and outside.
Then we have organizations established from pure evil.

Edmund

On 6/23/2023 2:41 AM, Edmund wrote:
> On 6/22/23 17:54, Paul wrote:
>> On 6/22/2023 10:59 AM, Edmund wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Well there nothing wrong with the way you put it, my question is
>>> because as per usual, any form of critic on “linux” results in
>>> people attacking the messenger or explaining it away.
>>>
>>> IMO this is a really silly and it is most definitely not helping
>>> anyone ever. There is a lot to say about “linux” stupidities
>>> and releasing new releases without EVER!!!! fixing a single bug
>>> is one of them.
>>
>> upstream-developer   kernel.org   Google Earth (outside of tree example)
>>     |                   |                 |
>>     |  +----------------+                 |
>>     |  |
>>     |  |
>>    debian   Modifies package, patches package, curation not the best
>>     |       Money makes things happen... if you want better and better curation.
>>     |
>>    ubuntu   Quality curation happens here. Some bits, only a dev would appreciate :-)
>>     |
>>    linuxmint  Percentage-wise, most packages imported. DE custom mods.
>>     |         Small team. Not many hands available to serve Edmund a
>>     |         three course meal.
>>     |
>>    Edmund     <Hungry>
>>
>> When a LinuxMint developer makes a change to a package they
>> control the source of, you expect a release note.
>>
>> And there are release notes.
>>
>> If a kernel.org submission fixes a USB driver, look at
>> how many levels are involved, for your proposed "bug buster
>> percolation model".
>>
>> In my wildest imagination, I could not envisage a way that
>> every detail could percolate to the user, every source line
>> that Edmund cares about, would magically flash in front of
>> his eyes for approval.
>>
>> As an example of this, look at Firefox browser. 300,000 files ?
>> A hundred different text file types. Most are not source
>> (test benches). It's unlikely that a single human, has read
>> every file in the tarball. Only ChatGPT could write a summary
>> of changes from release to release. Most of the work there,
>> involves adding new bugs (rolling release model).
>>
>> There *is* a lot of information exposed. You can compile a
>> lot of things from their Debian origins. (An agent like a LLM
>> probably could access a hundred web sites and build a bugfixed list.)
>>
>>     apt-get source firefox  # Not on Ubuntu (snap), not on LM (custom Mozilla contract)
>>                             # Only via tarball or mercurial or other method (I have done this)
>>
>>     apt-get source gparted  # this should work and should include Debian patch file.
>>
>> If you look in a source folder that is produced by running that,
>> you can get some info on the package.
>>
>> But pulling from all the bugtrackers ?  I would not know where to begin.
>>
>>     Paul
>
> Thanks you for confirming my point.
>
> Edmund
>

A semi-intelligent way to do it, would be to include a bug fix file
with each software project. For the kernel, it might mean every
Broadcom Wifi code module, would have a bug fix file. The premise
would be, a large file count increase in the size of the slash file
system.

It still does not curate the information in a useful way. If
Edmund does not have a "USB sheep shears model 1234" connected
to a computer, why should Edmund be saddled with keeping
a file stored on the disk for it ?

And we know from other experiences of this sort (supporting X languages
requires X files in every package), that some things we've done
in the past, just don't scale well.

Yet, if we don't deliver the files directly, and use a "pull" model,
where the OS keeps a pointer to every bug file, that would be a quite
complex thing to execute well.

Paul

On 6/23/23 20:19, Paul wrote:
> On 6/23/2023 2:41 AM, Edmund wrote:
>> On 6/22/23 17:54, Paul wrote:
>>> On 6/22/2023 10:59 AM, Edmund wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well there nothing wrong with the way you put it, my question is
>>>> because as per usual, any form of critic on “linux” results in
>>>> people attacking the messenger or explaining it away.
>>>>
>>>> IMO this is a really silly and it is most definitely not helping
>>>> anyone ever. There is a lot to say about “linux” stupidities
>>>> and releasing new releases without EVER!!!! fixing a single bug
>>>> is one of them.
>>>
>>> upstream-developer   kernel.org   Google Earth (outside of tree example)
>>>     |                   |                 |
>>>     |  +----------------+                 |
>>>     |  |
>>>     |  |
>>>    debian   Modifies package, patches package, curation not the best
>>>     |       Money makes things happen... if you want better and
>>> better curation.
>>>     |
>>>    ubuntu   Quality curation happens here. Some bits, only a dev
>>> would appreciate :-)
>>>     |
>>>    linuxmint  Percentage-wise, most packages imported. DE custom mods.
>>>     |         Small team. Not many hands available to serve Edmund a
>>>     |         three course meal.
>>>     |
>>>    Edmund     <Hungry>
>>>
>>> When a LinuxMint developer makes a change to a package they
>>> control the source of, you expect a release note.
>>>
>>> And there are release notes.
>>>
>>> If a kernel.org submission fixes a USB driver, look at
>>> how many levels are involved, for your proposed "bug buster
>>> percolation model".
>>>
>>> In my wildest imagination, I could not envisage a way that
>>> every detail could percolate to the user, every source line
>>> that Edmund cares about, would magically flash in front of
>>> his eyes for approval.
>>>
>>> As an example of this, look at Firefox browser. 300,000 files ?
>>> A hundred different text file types. Most are not source
>>> (test benches). It's unlikely that a single human, has read
>>> every file in the tarball. Only ChatGPT could write a summary
>>> of changes from release to release. Most of the work there,
>>> involves adding new bugs (rolling release model).
>>>
>>> There *is* a lot of information exposed. You can compile a
>>> lot of things from their Debian origins. (An agent like a LLM
>>> probably could access a hundred web sites and build a bugfixed list.)
>>>
>>>     apt-get source firefox  # Not on Ubuntu (snap), not on LM (custom
>>> Mozilla contract)
>>>                             # Only via tarball or mercurial or other
>>> method (I have done this)
>>>
>>>     apt-get source gparted  # this should work and should include
>>> Debian patch file.
>>>
>>> If you look in a source folder that is produced by running that,
>>> you can get some info on the package.
>>>
>>> But pulling from all the bugtrackers ?  I would not know where to begin.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>
>> Thanks you for confirming my point.
>>
>> Edmund
>>
>
> A semi-intelligent way to do it, would be to include a bug fix file
> with each software project. For the kernel, it might mean every
> Broadcom Wifi code module, would have a bug fix file. The premise
> would be, a large file count increase in the size of the slash file
> system.
>
> It still does not curate the information in a useful way. If
> Edmund does not have a "USB sheep shears model 1234" connected
> to a computer, why should Edmund be saddled with keeping
> a file stored on the disk for it ?
>
> And we know from other experiences of this sort (supporting X languages
> requires X files in every package), that some things we've done
> in the past, just don't scale well.
>
> Yet, if we don't deliver the files directly, and use a "pull" model,
> where the OS keeps a pointer to every bug file, that would be a quite
> complex thing to execute well.
>
>    Paul
>

Thanks for confirming my point again.
No idea what you are talking about.

Edmund

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The moment any organization established from pure noble intentions get
some influence, it will be corrupted from both inside and outside.
Then we have organizations established from pure evil.

Edmund

Johnny wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 12:28:13 +0100
> mechanic <mechanic@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 14:21:00 +0200, Yrrah wrote:
>>
>>> Linux Mint Cinnamon suits my OS needs pretty well and I can live
>>> with its imperfections. The idea of an OS or other complex
>>> software without flaws is fiction. I haven't used a Mac since the
>>> 1990s, but MS Windows, oh! the horror...
>>
>> What horror?
>
> The horror of looking at it. It makes me want to throw up.

I could live with how it looks, it's the whole intrusiveness of Windows
that makes me want to stay with Linux forever. Just about every couple
of minutes there is a pop-up, a warning, a notification, a request, a
hint, a report, a reminder... it just never ends. It's like it
deliberately wants to break your focus.

Plus the fact that Windows officially has total control over your
machine and what you do with it (read the EULA) and that it reports just
about everything to MS.

Yes, I use Windows for work (have to), but I completely agree that it's
a horror story all the way. I really can't imagine having this on my
computer at home.

On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 12:02:55 +0200
Monsieur <Monsieur@notreal.invalid> wrote:

> Johnny wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 12:28:13 +0100
> > mechanic <mechanic@example.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 14:21:00 +0200, Yrrah wrote:
> >>
> >>> Linux Mint Cinnamon suits my OS needs pretty well and I can live
> >>> with its imperfections. The idea of an OS or other complex
> >>> software without flaws is fiction. I haven't used a Mac since the
> >>> 1990s, but MS Windows, oh! the horror...
> >>
> >> What horror?
> >
> > The horror of looking at it. It makes me want to throw up.
>
> I could live with how it looks, it's the whole intrusiveness of
> Windows that makes me want to stay with Linux forever. Just about
> every couple of minutes there is a pop-up, a warning, a
> notification, a request, a hint, a report, a reminder... it just
> never ends. It's like it deliberately wants to break your focus.
>
> Plus the fact that Windows officially has total control over your
> machine and what you do with it (read the EULA) and that it reports
> just about everything to MS.
>
> Yes, I use Windows for work (have to), but I completely agree that
> it's a horror story all the way. I really can't imagine having this
> on my computer at home.
>

Microsoft wants all of your information, that's why they use a key
logger. How can anyone knowing this keep using that operating system?

I moved to Linux Mint when Windows 8 came out. I'm now using MX Linux.