On 15/07/2022 20:39, Snit wrote:
> On Jul 15, 2022 at 11:20:34 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <SdiAK.3994$H329.3179@fx03.ams1>:
>
>> On 15/07/2022 19:07, Snit wrote:
>> [....]
>>>>> What makes you think it is anything other than just "some guy" with his own
>>>>> Usenet server?
>>>>
>>>> Because Dave Higham, the server owner, provided back-up to the Annexcafe
>>>> newsgroups and has now given authority to 'Winston' to control his
>>>> server as if it is his own. I suspect that if YOU try asking questions
>>>> on the current User2User group YOU will be banished from there too!
>>>
>>> OK, a lot of history there I am not familiar with.
>>
>> Worry not, Snit.
>>
>> Stir the pot on User2User - if you dare! ;-)
>
> If I see a conversation that looks interesting I will join in.

I thought you might be curious about who is paying for the server being
used.

On Jul 15, 2022 at 2:46:53 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<hflAK.569413$i8Z9.163452@fx09.ams1>:

> On 15/07/2022 20:39, Snit wrote:
>> On Jul 15, 2022 at 11:20:34 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <SdiAK.3994$H329.3179@fx03.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 15/07/2022 19:07, Snit wrote:
>>> [....]
>>>>>> What makes you think it is anything other than just "some guy" with his own
>>>>>> Usenet server?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because Dave Higham, the server owner, provided back-up to the Annexcafe
>>>>> newsgroups and has now given authority to 'Winston' to control his
>>>>> server as if it is his own. I suspect that if YOU try asking questions
>>>>> on the current User2User group YOU will be banished from there too!
>>>>
>>>> OK, a lot of history there I am not familiar with.
>>>
>>> Worry not, Snit.
>>>
>>> Stir the pot on User2User - if you dare! ;-)
>>
>> If I see a conversation that looks interesting I will join in.
>
> I thought you might be curious about who is paying for the server being
> used.

Not really.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Jul 15, 2022 at 2:21:24 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<pTkAK.330325$B0_9.266789@fx13.ams1>:

> On 15/07/2022 20:39, Snit wrote:
>> On Jul 15, 2022 at 11:20:34 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <SdiAK.3994$H329.3179@fx03.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 15/07/2022 19:07, Snit wrote:
>>> [....]
>>>>>> What makes you think it is anything other than just "some guy" with his own
>>>>>> Usenet server?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because Dave Higham, the server owner, provided back-up to the Annexcafe
>>>>> newsgroups and has now given authority to 'Winston' to control his
>>>>> server as if it is his own. I suspect that if YOU try asking questions
>>>>> on the current User2User group YOU will be banished from there too!
>>>>
>>>> OK, a lot of history there I am not familiar with.
>>>
>>> Worry not, Snit.
>>>
>>> Stir the pot on User2User - if you dare! ;-)
>>
>> If I see a conversation that looks interesting I will join in.
>
> Before you do, you should be made aware of the rules!

True enough!

Thanks.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 15/07/2022 23:51, Snit wrote:
> On Jul 15, 2022 at 2:21:24 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <pTkAK.330325$B0_9.266789@fx13.ams1>:
>
>> On 15/07/2022 20:39, Snit wrote:
>>> On Jul 15, 2022 at 11:20:34 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <SdiAK.3994$H329.3179@fx03.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 15/07/2022 19:07, Snit wrote:
>>>> [....]
>>>>>>> What makes you think it is anything other than just "some guy" with his own
>>>>>>> Usenet server?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because Dave Higham, the server owner, provided back-up to the Annexcafe
>>>>>> newsgroups and has now given authority to 'Winston' to control his
>>>>>> server as if it is his own. I suspect that if YOU try asking questions
>>>>>> on the current User2User group YOU will be banished from there too!
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, a lot of history there I am not familiar with.
>>>>
>>>> Worry not, Snit.
>>>>
>>>> Stir the pot on User2User - if you dare! ;-)
>>>
>>> If I see a conversation that looks interesting I will join in.
>>
>> Before you do, you should be made aware of the rules!
>
> True enough!
>
> Thanks.

Do you consider yourself one of the undesirables?

MANY folk on Usenet consider /you/ to be a Troll.

On 15/7/2022 2:15 am, mike wrote:
>
> I think you are wrong. And I think the answer to this question will show
> that you are wrong if you answer that question as honestly as you can.
>
> Would you say irfanview is often the number one photo viewing tool for
> people who know how to use Windows and who set it up for themselves?
>
> That's why when it comes to free ware it's important to get advice that
> isn't a shill because most shills will lead you astray. It's good to get
> advice from users on these internet groups because they're not selling you
> software.

Can't agree with you. The most important thing is always about the right
tool for the job, as long as there are choices.

Ranking might in the end wipe out all choices, leaving the chosen one
that might not do everything. It's a very dangerous move.

On Jul 15, 2022 at 10:51:04 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<clsAK.550123$Gx85.272516@fx07.ams1>:

> On 15/07/2022 23:51, Snit wrote:
>> On Jul 15, 2022 at 2:21:24 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <pTkAK.330325$B0_9.266789@fx13.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 15/07/2022 20:39, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Jul 15, 2022 at 11:20:34 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <SdiAK.3994$H329.3179@fx03.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/07/2022 19:07, Snit wrote:
>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>> What makes you think it is anything other than just "some guy" with his own
>>>>>>>> Usenet server?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because Dave Higham, the server owner, provided back-up to the Annexcafe
>>>>>>> newsgroups and has now given authority to 'Winston' to control his
>>>>>>> server as if it is his own. I suspect that if YOU try asking questions
>>>>>>> on the current User2User group YOU will be banished from there too!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, a lot of history there I am not familiar with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Worry not, Snit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stir the pot on User2User - if you dare! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> If I see a conversation that looks interesting I will join in.
>>>
>>> Before you do, you should be made aware of the rules!
>>
>> True enough!
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> Do you consider yourself one of the undesirables?

I do not know what is desired there.

> MANY folk on Usenet consider /you/ to be a Troll.

As is very clear, I tend to respond to those who are trolling (though I tend
to avoid actually labeling someone a troll). I can see people associating me
with such folks, though. I am not offended by it.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 16/07/2022 09:03, Snit wrote:
> On Jul 15, 2022 at 10:51:04 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <clsAK.550123$Gx85.272516@fx07.ams1>:
>
>> On 15/07/2022 23:51, Snit wrote:
>>> On Jul 15, 2022 at 2:21:24 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <pTkAK.330325$B0_9.266789@fx13.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 15/07/2022 20:39, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 15, 2022 at 11:20:34 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <SdiAK.3994$H329.3179@fx03.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/07/2022 19:07, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>> What makes you think it is anything other than just "some guy" with his own
>>>>>>>>> Usenet server?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because Dave Higham, the server owner, provided back-up to the Annexcafe
>>>>>>>> newsgroups and has now given authority to 'Winston' to control his
>>>>>>>> server as if it is his own. I suspect that if YOU try asking questions
>>>>>>>> on the current User2User group YOU will be banished from there too!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, a lot of history there I am not familiar with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Worry not, Snit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stir the pot on User2User - if you dare! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> If I see a conversation that looks interesting I will join in.
>>>>
>>>> Before you do, you should be made aware of the rules!
>>>
>>> True enough!
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> Do you consider yourself one of the undesirables?
>
> I do not know what is desired there.

Feel free to /ask/ if you have permission to post!

>> MANY folk on Usenet consider /you/ to be a Troll.
>
> As is very clear, I tend to respond to those who are trolling (though I tend
> to avoid actually labelling someone a troll). I can see people associating me
> with such folks, though. I am not offended by it.

On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 23:45:17 +0530, mike <this@address.is.invalid>
wrote:

>On 14-07-2022 09:41 "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Finding a "#1 choice" is totally a waste of time. The most important
>> thing is to use the right tool for the job, it's never about ranking!
>
>I think you are wrong. And I think the answer to this question will show
>that you are wrong if you answer that question as honestly as you can.
>
>Would you say irfanview is often the number one photo viewing tool for
>people who know how to use Windows and who set it up for themselves?
>
>Your problem is with number 2!
>
>> I don't know why the world is so obsessed with ranking and grading,
>> especially in the fields of finance and banking. It's all about a
>> pyramid? :)
>
>Installing the wrong free ware will waste a lot of time.
>Especially if you have to test them all yourself first.
>Searching on the internet will be hit or miss because of the shills.
>
>That's why when it comes to free ware it's important to get advice that
>isn't a shill because most shills will lead you astray. It's good to get
>advice from users on these internet groups because they're not selling you
>software.

Getting advice on Usenet is often a good idea for two reasons:

1. It usually lets you rule out the choices that are junk.

2. Usenet advice usually comes from more than one person, and that
usually means that there are several decent choices to investigate.

But any piece of advice should be thought of as just advice from one
person, not as a product that is guaranteed to be the best.

When paying attention to newsgroup advice, it's also very important to
only look at advice from someone whose posts you've seen before and
you know and respect. There are trolls in newsgroups, and there also
those who aren't trolls, but who know very little about what they're
talking about. Be very careful about whose recommendation consider.

My recommendation is to try as many products as you can (if they're
freeware or come with free trials), and especially those products that
are recommended by people you respect.

And when you consider someone's recommendation, be aware that we all
work in different ways and have different likes and dislikes. A
feature that's important to me isn't necessarily important to you.
Just because one person thinks a product is a good choice doesn't mean
everyone else will. That's why it's always important to make your own
choices. Use someone else's recommendation as guidance in helping you
make your own choice, nothing more

Two examples of that:

Most people think Chrome is the best browser. I think it's one of the
worst and Firefox is much better.

Most people think Microsoft Word is the best word processor. I think
it's one of the worst and WordPerfect is much better.

I'm not trying to convince anyone to use Firefox or WordPerfect; : I'm
just pointing out that we are all different and don't necessarily make
the same choices.