Following a recent update the chromium browser is again
not working correctly. The most obvious defect is a persistent
"page unresponsive" window when trying to view YouTube.

Firefox-ESR works fine, so it isn't YouTube's fault.

If anybody's got a hint please share it.

uname -a reports
Linux raspberrypi 6.1.21-v8+ #1642 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 3 17:24:16 BST 2023
aarch64 GNU/Linux

The chromium browsers "about" window reports
Version 113.0.5672.95 (OfficialBuild) built on Debian, running on Debian 11
(64-bit)

For some reason I had to transcribe that line, select-right-click-copy
didn't work. Not sure it's significant, never tried that before.

Thanks for reading and any guidance.

bob prohaska

On 05/06/2023 02:29, bob prohaska wrote:
> Following a recent update the chromium browser is again
> not working correctly. The most obvious defect is a persistent
> "page unresponsive" window when trying to view YouTube.

I don't know if that is related to the problems I've been having with
Chromium 113 and the BBC News website on my Bullseye Pi 4s, where all
apart from the first picture on the page isn't displayed, videos aren't
displayed too. I removed ublock origin and no-script to eliminate them,
and it still happens with no extensions.

> Firefox-ESR works fine, so it isn't YouTube's fault.

Firefox-ESR shows the BBC News website correctly, however it's
noticeably slower, videos do work though.

---druck

druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
> On 05/06/2023 02:29, bob prohaska wrote:
>> Following a recent update the chromium browser is again
>> not working correctly. The most obvious defect is a persistent
>> "page unresponsive" window when trying to view YouTube.
>
> I don't know if that is related to the problems I've been having with
> Chromium 113 and the BBC News website on my Bullseye Pi 4s, where all
> apart from the first picture on the page isn't displayed, videos aren't
> displayed too. I removed ublock origin and no-script to eliminate them,
> and it still happens with no extensions.

That's most curious. I'm looking now at
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-56837908
and the display seems just fine. There are lots of images,
all loaded and looking reasonable.

YouTube still won't load.

Thanks for writing,

bob prohaska

On 06/06/2023 03:12, bob prohaska wrote:
> druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 05/06/2023 02:29, bob prohaska wrote:
>>> Following a recent update the chromium browser is again
>>> not working correctly. The most obvious defect is a persistent
>>> "page unresponsive" window when trying to view YouTube.
>>
>> I don't know if that is related to the problems I've been having with
>> Chromium 113 and the BBC News website on my Bullseye Pi 4s, where all
>> apart from the first picture on the page isn't displayed, videos aren't
>> displayed too. I removed ublock origin and no-script to eliminate them,
>> and it still happens with no extensions.
>
> That's most curious. I'm looking now at
> https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-56837908
> and the display seems just fine. There are lots of images,
> all loaded and looking reasonable.

Try going down to a story page. The BBC loads images in articles on
demand via javascript.

> YouTube still won't load.

Must be a different problem as it loads for me and plays videos.

---druck

druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
> On 06/06/2023 03:12, bob prohaska wrote:
>> druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
>>> On 05/06/2023 02:29, bob prohaska wrote:
>>>> Following a recent update the chromium browser is again
>>>> not working correctly. The most obvious defect is a persistent
>>>> "page unresponsive" window when trying to view YouTube.
>>>
>>> I don't know if that is related to the problems I've been having with
>>> Chromium 113 and the BBC News website on my Bullseye Pi 4s, where all
>>> apart from the first picture on the page isn't displayed, videos aren't
>>> displayed too. I removed ublock origin and no-script to eliminate them,
>>> and it still happens with no extensions.
>>
>> That's most curious. I'm looking now at
>> https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-56837908
>> and the display seems just fine. There are lots of images,
>> all loaded and looking reasonable.
>
> Try going down to a story page. The BBC loads images in articles on
> demand via javascript.

The story on solar panel recycling seems to load fine, pictures and all.

The story about tornados, consisting of a video, didn't load, couldn't
be paused either.

>> YouTube still won't load.
>
> Must be a different problem as it loads for me and plays videos.
>

Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....

Thanks for writing,

bob prohaska

On 2023-06-07, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
> ...
>
> Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....

Indeed: trouble is usually served up by cons. ;-)

--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

On 07/06/2023 03:35, Robert Riches wrote:
> On 2023-06-07, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....
>
> Indeed: trouble is usually served up by cons. ;-)
>
Surely some mistake. Trouble is what the liberal politician seeks out,
identifies, and then manages to propose state engendered solutions to,
that manifestly will not fix it, so that it remains a problem, and an
excuse for yet more centralised bureaucracy, state subsidy, and
restriction of personal freedom to fix it better.
The logical progressions of this is full communism, where nothing works,
and the politicians are the problem.

--
It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
Mark Twain

Please lets not turn every thread on legitimate technical issues in to a
left vs right slanging match.

On 2023-06-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 07/06/2023 03:35, Robert Riches wrote:
>
>> On 2023-06-07, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....
>>
>> Indeed: trouble is usually served up by cons. ;-)
>
> Surely some mistake. Trouble is what the liberal politician seeks out,
> identifies, and then manages to propose state engendered solutions to,
> that manifestly will not fix it, so that it remains a problem, and an
> excuse for yet more centralised bureaucracy, state subsidy, and
> restriction of personal freedom to fix it better.
> The logical progressions of this is full communism, where nothing works,
> and the politicians are the problem.

And this is just as true of right-wing extremists. As a wise person
once pointed out to me, they all meet somewhere around on the dark side.

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | You can't save the earth
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | unless you're willing to
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | make other people sacrifice.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Dogbert the green consultant

On 2023-06-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 07/06/2023 03:35, Robert Riches wrote:
>> On 2023-06-07, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....
>>
>> Indeed: trouble is usually served up by cons. ;-)
>>
> Surely some mistake. Trouble is what the liberal politician seeks out,
> identifies, and then manages to propose state engendered solutions to,
> that manifestly will not fix it, so that it remains a problem, and an
> excuse for yet more centralised bureaucracy, state subsidy, and
> restriction of personal freedom to fix it better.
> The logical progressions of this is full communism, where nothing works,
> and the politicians are the problem.

Mr. Philospher, very well said.

I see I wrote unclearly. I should have used the slightly longer
version of the last word. Here's the new-and-improved version:

Indeed: trouble is usually served up by con artists. ;-)

--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

On 07/06/2023 21:41, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2023-06-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 07/06/2023 03:35, Robert Riches wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-06-07, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....
>>>
>>> Indeed: trouble is usually served up by cons. ;-)
>>
>> Surely some mistake. Trouble is what the liberal politician seeks out,
>> identifies, and then manages to propose state engendered solutions to,
>> that manifestly will not fix it, so that it remains a problem, and an
>> excuse for yet more centralised bureaucracy, state subsidy, and
>> restriction of personal freedom to fix it better.
>> The logical progressions of this is full communism, where nothing works,
>> and the politicians are the problem.
>
> And this is just as true of right-wing extremists. As a wise person
> once pointed out to me, they all meet somewhere around on the dark side.
>
The 30s era fascists only differed from the communists in the
aspirations of their supporters. The end result was the same. A narrow
totalitarian elite.

--
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"

- John K Galbraith

On 08/06/2023 04:38, Robert Riches wrote:
> On 2023-06-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 07/06/2023 03:35, Robert Riches wrote:
>>> On 2023-06-07, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....
>>>
>>> Indeed: trouble is usually served up by cons. ;-)
>>>
>> Surely some mistake. Trouble is what the liberal politician seeks out,
>> identifies, and then manages to propose state engendered solutions to,
>> that manifestly will not fix it, so that it remains a problem, and an
>> excuse for yet more centralised bureaucracy, state subsidy, and
>> restriction of personal freedom to fix it better.
>> The logical progressions of this is full communism, where nothing works,
>> and the politicians are the problem.
>
> Mr. Philospher, very well said.
>
> I see I wrote unclearly. I should have used the slightly longer
> version of the last word. Here's the new-and-improved version:
>
> Indeed: trouble is usually served up by con artists. ;-)
>
Comes to the same thing, That's an apt definition of politicians.

--
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"

- John K Galbraith

On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 07:18:04 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 07/06/2023 21:41, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2023-06-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/06/2023 03:35, Robert Riches wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-06-07, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....
>>>>
>>>> Indeed: trouble is usually served up by cons. ;-)
>>>
>>> Surely some mistake. Trouble is what the liberal politician seeks out,
>>> identifies, and then manages to propose state engendered solutions to,
>>> that manifestly will not fix it, so that it remains a problem, and an
>>> excuse for yet more centralised bureaucracy, state subsidy, and
>>> restriction of personal freedom to fix it better.
>>> The logical progressions of this is full communism, where nothing
>>> works,
>>> and the politicians are the problem.
>>
>> And this is just as true of right-wing extremists. As a wise person
>> once pointed out to me, they all meet somewhere around on the dark
>> side.
>>
> The 30s era fascists only differed from the communists in the
> aspirations of their supporters. The end result was the same. A narrow
> totalitarian elite.

I suspect a similar situation to that of Europe in the '30s is currently
developing in left-pondian political circles. The parallels are
'interesting' to say the least.

--

Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

On 2023-06-08, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 07/06/2023 21:41, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2023-06-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/06/2023 03:35, Robert Riches wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-06-07, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....
>>>>
>>>> Indeed: trouble is usually served up by cons. ;-)
>>>
>>> Surely some mistake. Trouble is what the liberal politician seeks out,
>>> identifies, and then manages to propose state engendered solutions to,
>>> that manifestly will not fix it, so that it remains a problem, and an
>>> excuse for yet more centralised bureaucracy, state subsidy, and
>>> restriction of personal freedom to fix it better.
>>> The logical progressions of this is full communism, where nothing works,
>>> and the politicians are the problem.
>>
>> And this is just as true of right-wing extremists. As a wise person
>> once pointed out to me, they all meet somewhere around on the dark side.
>
> The 30s era fascists only differed from the communists in the
> aspirations of their supporters. The end result was the same.
> A narrow totalitarian elite.

My point exactly - and it still applies today.

Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist,
fascist, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria.
The human race divides politically into those who want people to
be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are
idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of
the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious
and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors
than the other sort.
-- Robert A. Heinlein: The Notebooks of Lazarus Long

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | You can't save the earth
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | unless you're willing to
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | make other people sacrifice.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Dogbert the green consultant

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 17:43:30 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2023-06-08, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 07/06/2023 21:41, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-06-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 07/06/2023 03:35, Robert Riches wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-06-07, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed: trouble is usually served up by cons. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Surely some mistake. Trouble is what the liberal politician seeks
>>>> out, identifies, and then manages to propose state engendered
>>>> solutions to, that manifestly will not fix it, so that it remains a
>>>> problem, and an excuse for yet more centralised bureaucracy, state
>>>> subsidy, and restriction of personal freedom to fix it better.
>>>> The logical progressions of this is full communism, where nothing
>>>> works,
>>>> and the politicians are the problem.
>>>
>>> And this is just as true of right-wing extremists. As a wise person
>>> once pointed out to me, they all meet somewhere around on the dark
>>> side.
>>
>> The 30s era fascists only differed from the communists in the
>> aspirations of their supporters. The end result was the same.
>> A narrow totalitarian elite.
>
> My point exactly - and it still applies today.
>
> Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist,
> fascist, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The
> human race divides politically into those who want people to be
> controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are
> idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the
> greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and
> lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than
> the other sort.
> -- Robert A. Heinlein: The Notebooks of Lazarus Long

Good stuff!

I've just been re-reading Heinlein: 'Methuselah's Children', 'Time Enough
For Love'.(Are the other LL stories as good?) Followed those two off with
'Friday'.

FWIW I tend to rate 'The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress' and 'Job' with those LL
tales.

--

Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Jun 2023 22:24:44 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Martin
Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> wrote in <u5tkfc$1hrgd$1@dont-email.me>:

>On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 17:43:30 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2023-06-08, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/06/2023 21:41, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-06-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 07/06/2023 03:35, Robert Riches wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2023-06-07, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alas, 'tis true. Trouble is not a conserved quantity....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed: trouble is usually served up by cons. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Surely some mistake. Trouble is what the liberal politician seeks
>>>>> out, identifies, and then manages to propose state engendered
>>>>> solutions to, that manifestly will not fix it, so that it remains a
>>>>> problem, and an excuse for yet more centralised bureaucracy, state
>>>>> subsidy, and restriction of personal freedom to fix it better.
>>>>> The logical progressions of this is full communism, where nothing
>>>>> works,
>>>>> and the politicians are the problem.
>>>>
>>>> And this is just as true of right-wing extremists. As a wise person
>>>> once pointed out to me, they all meet somewhere around on the dark
>>>> side.
>>>
>>> The 30s era fascists only differed from the communists in the
>>> aspirations of their supporters. The end result was the same.
>>> A narrow totalitarian elite.

You forgot the capitalist
Now The US Military Industrial Complex sucking the taxpayer for wars they create to sell their useless crap (F35 etc)
a loss making industry (losing wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc)...
and their politician clowns and slaves now raising the debt limit and reducing spending on everything for their own people.
EXCEPT that military complex.
They are not even under attack, but may well be soon, destroyed!
I was just reading the UK soldiers need food banks to make ends meet...
https://news.sky.com/story/some-military-personnel-forced-to-use-food-banks-as-inflation-tips-members-of-armed-forces-into-crisis-12900704

To go back to the newsgroup topic:
"An Inside Look at How Raspberry Pis Are Made":
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-manufacturing-process

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 09:15:53 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

> I was just reading the UK soldiers need food banks to make ends meet...
> https://news.sky.com/story/some-military-personnel-forced-to-use-food-
banks-as-inflation-tips-members-of-armed-forces-into-crisis-12900704
>
What makes you think its only the UK military? Add in teachers and medics
too, but thats the result of 14 years of true-blue Tory government for
you, but the next 12 months should show a change.

We're now returning you to our usual program.

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Martin | martin at
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