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* Why so many themes?Yrrah
+* Re: Why so many themes?Mike Easter
|`* Re: Why so many themes?Edmund
| +- Re: Why so many themes?Mike Easter
| `* Re: Why so many themes?Yrrah
|  +- Re: Why so many themes?Edmund
|  `* Re: Why so many themes?Johnny
|   +- Re: Why so many themes?Yrrah
|   `- Re: Why so many themes?Edmund
+* Re: Why so many themes?azigni
|`* Re: Why so many themes?Edmund
| `* Re: Why so many themes?Paul
|  `- Re: Why so many themes?Edmund
+* Re: Why so many themes?Gordon
|`- Re: Why so many themes?RonB
+* Re: Why so many themes?Big Al
|`- Re: Why so many themes?Yrrah
+* Re: Why so many themes?Jack
|+- Re: Why so many themes?Paul
|`* Re: Why so many themes?Bob Martin
| `* Re: Why so many themes?Edmund
|  `* Re: Why so many themes?Bob Martin
|   `- Re: Why so many themes?Edmund
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 by: Yrrah - Tue, 18 Jul 2023 12:47 UTC

Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon offers 55 different desktop themes as well as
various other 'look and feel' options: mouse pointers (11),
application buttons (67) and icons (44), if I have counted correctly.
So users can choose from 55 x 11 x 67 x 44 = 1,783,540 different
appearances (more if other options are taken into account).
Is this abundance really necessary? Why put so much effort into all
that eye candy?

Aren't there other priorities? Why not focus on what an excellent OS
should be (instead of what it looks like)?

BTW, the LM apps (Pix, Xed, etc.) are a waste of time as well imho.

Yrrah
(still a happy LM user)

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 by: Mike Easter - Tue, 18 Jul 2023 14:26 UTC

Yrrah wrote:
> Is this abundance really necessary? Why put so much effort into all
> that eye candy?
>
> Aren't there other priorities? Why not focus on what an excellent OS
> should be (instead of what it looks like)?

My guess would be that any given developer likes to work on what s/he
likes to work on, and someone/s like to work on that candy.

Personally I agree w/ your POV.

So, LM accepts what its helpers offer if acceptable.

--
Mike Easter

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 by: Edmund - Tue, 18 Jul 2023 16:52 UTC

On 7/18/23 16:26, Mike Easter wrote:
> Yrrah wrote:
>> Is this abundance really necessary? Why put so much effort into all
>> that eye candy?
>>
>> Aren't there other priorities? Why not focus on what an excellent OS
>> should be (instead of what it looks like)?
>
> My guess would be that any given developer likes to work on what s/he
> likes to work on, and someone/s like to work on that candy.
>
> Personally I agree w/ your POV.

Well unless things have changed dramatically, this should be a reason
to attack and insult you.
The linux religion would cry about freedom of choice

--
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The moment any organization established from pure noble intentions get
some influence, it will be corrupted from both inside and outside.
Then we have organizations established from pure evil.

Edmund

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 by: Mike Easter - Tue, 18 Jul 2023 17:02 UTC

Edmund wrote:
> The linux religion would cry about freedom of choice

And, a lot of people care quite a bit about the ability to tweak the
appearance of a LOT of things; it is the first thing they do when they
boot a new distro's desktop.

Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.

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Mike Easter

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 by: azigni - Tue, 18 Jul 2023 19:58 UTC

Consumerism, Consumers demand choice

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 by: Gordon - Tue, 18 Jul 2023 22:15 UTC

On 2023-07-18, Yrrah <Yrrah-aolm@aolm.invalid> wrote:
> Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon offers 55 different desktop themes as well as
> various other 'look and feel' options: mouse pointers (11),
> application buttons (67) and icons (44), if I have counted correctly.
> So users can choose from 55 x 11 x 67 x 44 = 1,783,540 different
> appearances (more if other options are taken into account).

Did we really need to know this level of infomation? :-)

> Is this abundance really necessary? Why put so much effort into all
> that eye candy?
>
> Aren't there other priorities? Why not focus on what an excellent OS
> should be (instead of what it looks like)?

How about this arugement. Linux Mint has not become close to being a great
OS with only a few improvements needed to get it perfect.

Some people place a great emphasis on eye candy. Some love being able to
tweak to the nth degree. KDE vs cinnamon, some people like KDE for its
options. Some people have fluffy dice and racing stripes in/on their car.

However, other people just want something that works for them. In my case
the mint-y icons failed, I had to go back to mint-x.

Linux is about choice. There is the arguement that there are far too many
distros, why not just have one? Many themes are are just an extension of
this.

>
> BTW, the LM apps (Pix, Xed, etc.) are a waste of time as well imho.
>
> Yrrah
> (still a happy LM user)

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 by: Big Al - Tue, 18 Jul 2023 22:24 UTC

On 7/18/23 08:47, this is what Yrrah wrote:
> Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon offers 55 different desktop themes as well as
> various other 'look and feel' options: mouse pointers (11),
> application buttons (67) and icons (44), if I have counted correctly.
> So users can choose from 55 x 11 x 67 x 44 = 1,783,540 different
> appearances (more if other options are taken into account).
> Is this abundance really necessary? Why put so much effort into all
> that eye candy?
>
> Aren't there other priorities? Why not focus on what an excellent OS
> should be (instead of what it looks like)?
>
> BTW, the LM apps (Pix, Xed, etc.) are a waste of time as well imho.
>
> Yrrah
> (still a happy LM user)
And you can always go in and delete some of those folders in either
/usr/share/icons
/usr/share/themes
Synaptic might even do it maybe, I didn't look.

I agree somewhat about your POV. I've not looked closely but I'd say why Mint-X and Mint-Y? I understand the legacy
to appease the users coming from an old version. And I understand the dark themes I personally like.

I just wrote my own and used an "A" at the beginning of the name so it appears fist. Easier to find. LOL

I couldn't work without XED. Geany is a bit too much. What editor do you use?

--
Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamon 5.6.8
Al

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 by: Edmund - Wed, 19 Jul 2023 08:15 UTC

On 7/18/23 21:58, azigni wrote:
> Consumerism, Consumers demand choice

Really? demanding? how?
What about consumers who want bugs to be fixed?

Edmund

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Then we have organizations established from pure evil.

Edmund

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 by: Paul - Wed, 19 Jul 2023 09:41 UTC

On 7/19/2023 4:15 AM, Edmund wrote:
> On 7/18/23 21:58, azigni wrote:
>> Consumerism, Consumers demand choice
>
> Really? demanding? how?
> What about consumers who want bugs to be fixed?
>
> Edmund
>

Bug repair, is independent of theme design.

The people in kernel.org working on your USB bugs,
they don't even know what distro you're running.

And theme design is triggered, when a couple
"user comments" in a forum say something like
"yeah, it reminds me of Windows XP". That's
how you know your theme/style needs work. First
you work on a new theme concept, then, a theme implementation.

Paul

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 by: Edmund - Wed, 19 Jul 2023 10:03 UTC

On 7/19/23 11:41, Paul wrote:
> On 7/19/2023 4:15 AM, Edmund wrote:
>> On 7/18/23 21:58, azigni wrote:
>>> Consumerism, Consumers demand choice
>>
>> Really? demanding? how?
>> What about consumers who want bugs to be fixed?
>>
>> Edmund
>>
>
> Bug repair, is independent of theme design.

What bug repair?
>
> The people in kernel.org working on your USB bugs,
> they don't even know what distro you're running.

Yeah I guess releasing another 400 distro's will cure that problem don't
you think?

>
> And theme design is triggered, when a couple
> "user comments" in a forum say something like
> "yeah, it reminds me of Windows XP". That's
> how you know your theme/style needs work. First
> you work on a new theme concept, then, a theme implementation.

My question was about fixing bugs.
>
> Paul

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The moment any organization established from pure noble intentions get
some influence, it will be corrupted from both inside and outside.
Then we have organizations established from pure evil.

Edmund

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 by: Yrrah - Wed, 19 Jul 2023 12:03 UTC

Big Al <Bears@invalid.com>:
> I couldn't work without XED. Geany is a bit too much. What editor do you use?

Geany.

Yrrah

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 by: Yrrah - Wed, 19 Jul 2023 12:05 UTC

Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com>:

> Well unless things have changed dramatically, this should be a reason
> to attack and insult you.
> The linux religion would cry about freedom of choice

Are you actually a Linux (Mint) user or perhaps a wintroll?

Yrrah

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 by: Edmund - Wed, 19 Jul 2023 12:15 UTC

On 7/19/23 14:05, Yrrah wrote:
> Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com>:
>
>> Well unless things have changed dramatically, this should be a reason
>> to attack and insult you.
>> The linux religion would cry about freedom of choice
>
> Are you actually a Linux (Mint) user or perhaps a wintroll?

Well let me answer this by asking you a question.
Are you actually that stupid, that you don't even realize your
are confirming my point here?
>
> Yrrah

Edmund

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 by: Johnny - Wed, 19 Jul 2023 12:25 UTC

On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:05:35 +0200
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> Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com>:
>
> > Well unless things have changed dramatically, this should be a
> > reason to attack and insult you.
> > The linux religion would cry about freedom of choice
>
> Are you actually a Linux (Mint) user or perhaps a wintroll?
>
> Yrrah

His problem is, he doesn't know how to use a computer, running Windows
or Linux.

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 by: Yrrah - Wed, 19 Jul 2023 17:53 UTC

Johnny <johnny@invalid.net>:
> > > Well unless things have changed dramatically, this should be a
> > > reason to attack and insult you.
> > > The linux religion would cry about freedom of choice

> > Are you actually a Linux (Mint) user or perhaps a wintroll?

> His problem is, he doesn't know how to use a computer, running Windows
> or Linux.

I see.
Perhaps he should look here first:
https://nl.pinterest.com/zahra01/toy-laptops/
;-)

Yrrah

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On 2023-07-18, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
> On 2023-07-18, Yrrah <Yrrah-aolm@aolm.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Aren't there other priorities? Why not focus on what an excellent OS
>> should be (instead of what it looks like)?

Once you build a basic theme (y, x and legacy in Linux Mint's case) adding
more themes, with different colors, is not difficult. So the "priority"
argument really doesn't apply.

> How about this arugement. Linux Mint has not become close to being a great
> OS with only a few improvements needed to get it perfect.

Linux Mint has worked well for me for about 16 years. I do like the original
theme, which I haven't been able to replicate in 21.1 or 21.2, so when I
upgrade my Linux Mint computers from 20.3, I'll probably stick with 21.0.

That said, apparently some users don't like the original theme and wanted
something more colorful. Choice is good.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

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 by: Jack - Wed, 19 Jul 2023 18:20 UTC

On 18/07/2023 13:47, Yrrah wrote:
>
> Aren't there other priorities? Why not focus on what an excellent OS
> should be (instead of what it looks like)?

Probably there isn't anything to improve!

You asked ": Why so many themes?". The short answer is to confuse the users.

Why do you think Linux is not as popular as Windoze? Because people
don't know how many distros are there to choose from so they just use
one thing only and that is Windoze.

If Ubuntu can control its source code and stop people from using it then
with a bit of marketing and bribing OEMs, Linux can catch up. Somebody
needs to sell machines with Linux pre-installed but this requires some
initiative and some money from Ubuntu and Red Hat. M$ used to pay to
OEMs before Windoze became popular.

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 by: Edmund - Wed, 19 Jul 2023 23:15 UTC

On 7/19/23 14:25, Johnny wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:05:35 +0200
> Yrrah <Yrrah-aolm@aolm.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com>:
>>
>>> Well unless things have changed dramatically, this should be a
>>> reason to attack and insult you.
>>> The linux religion would cry about freedom of choice
>>
>> Are you actually a Linux (Mint) user or perhaps a wintroll?
>>
>> Yrrah
>
> His problem is, he doesn't know how to use a computer, running Windows
> or Linux.
>
Don't bother, Yrrah himself already confirmed my point so no need to
do it again but thanks anyway.

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Then we have organizations established from pure evil.

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 by: Paul - Thu, 20 Jul 2023 00:33 UTC

On 7/19/2023 2:20 PM, Jack wrote:
> On 18/07/2023 13:47, Yrrah wrote:
>>
>> Aren't there other priorities? Why not focus on what an excellent OS
>> should be (instead of what it looks like)?
>
> Probably there isn't anything to improve!
>
> You asked ": Why so many themes?". The short answer is to confuse the users.
>
> Why do you think Linux is not as popular as Windoze?

Linux does not have aspirations.

Commercial companies have aspirations.

Linux, is just Linux.

Commercial companies can circle-the-ponies all they want,
have IPOs, cash out, and so on, and nobody is going to care.
(RedHat no longer providing source, Canonical using Snaps
that interfere with usage of applications.)

Even Microsoft seeks to cash out, using a $6 a month SaaS model
(a rental model they have sent details of, to the FTC). Which is
perhaps, the most interesting change in decades. Things are going
to happen, if they try that. It's not the dollar amount that
matters, since they could raise the rental fee at any time,
and even if there was a "low introductory price", it does not
have to stay that way. Any rental model, is a rental model,
with rent-seeking-behavior at its base. "It would be a shame
if your Floating Point Unit cost $1 per month extra", like the
phone company touch tone fee. You will note that even Intel
within the last couple of years, has proposed a rental model
for optional hardware features in their CPUs.

This decade is eventually going to be known for its
"escape from Rental Island" behavior.

Paul

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 by: Bob Martin - Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:54 UTC

On 19 Jul 2023 at 18:20:00, Jack <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:
> On 18/07/2023 13:47, Yrrah wrote:
>>
>> Aren't there other priorities? Why not focus on what an excellent OS
>> should be (instead of what it looks like)?
>
> Probably there isn't anything to improve!
>
> You asked ": Why so many themes?". The short answer is to confuse the users.
>
> Why do you think Linux is not as popular as Windoze? Because people
> don't know how many distros are there to choose from so they just use
> one thing only and that is Windoze.
>
> If Ubuntu can control its source code and stop people from using it then
> with a bit of marketing and bribing OEMs, Linux can catch up. Somebody
> needs to sell machines with Linux pre-installed but this requires some
> initiative and some money from Ubuntu and Red Hat. M$ used to pay to
> OEMs before Windoze became popular.

98% of Super-computers run Linux.

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 by: Edmund - Thu, 20 Jul 2023 07:18 UTC

On 7/20/23 06:54, Bob Martin wrote:
> On 19 Jul 2023 at 18:20:00, Jack <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:
>> On 18/07/2023 13:47, Yrrah wrote:
>>>
>>> Aren't there other priorities? Why not focus on what an excellent OS
>>> should be (instead of what it looks like)?
>>
>> Probably there isn't anything to improve!
>>
>> You asked ": Why so many themes?". The short answer is to confuse the users.
>>
>> Why do you think Linux is not as popular as Windoze? Because people
>> don't know how many distros are there to choose from so they just use
>> one thing only and that is Windoze.
>>
>> If Ubuntu can control its source code and stop people from using it then
>> with a bit of marketing and bribing OEMs, Linux can catch up. Somebody
>> needs to sell machines with Linux pre-installed but this requires some
>> initiative and some money from Ubuntu and Red Hat. M$ used to pay to
>> OEMs before Windoze became popular.
>
> 98% of Super-computers run Linux.
>
Mint? or you just wanted to say something really stupid?

Edmund
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The moment any organization established from pure noble intentions get
some influence, it will be corrupted from both inside and outside.
Then we have organizations established from pure evil.

Edmund

Re: Why so many themes?

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Subject: Re: Why so many themes?
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 by: Dr. Noah Bodie - Thu, 20 Jul 2023 11:49 UTC

On 07/18/2023 09:47 AM, Yrrah wrote:
> Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon offers 55 different desktop themes as well as
> various other 'look and feel' options: mouse pointers (11),
> application buttons (67) and icons (44), if I have counted correctly.
> So users can choose from 55 x 11 x 67 x 44 = 1,783,540 different
> appearances (more if other options are taken into account).
> Is this abundance really necessary? Why put so much effort into all
> that eye candy?

it's easy to make a theme and then say that you contributed something.

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 by: Bob Martin - Fri, 21 Jul 2023 06:08 UTC

On 20 Jul 2023 at 07:18:24, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/20/23 06:54, Bob Martin wrote:
>> On 19 Jul 2023 at 18:20:00, Jack <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:
>>> On 18/07/2023 13:47, Yrrah wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Aren't there other priorities? Why not focus on what an excellent OS
>>>> should be (instead of what it looks like)?
>>>
>>> Probably there isn't anything to improve!
>>>
>>> You asked ": Why so many themes?". The short answer is to confuse the users.
>>>
>>> Why do you think Linux is not as popular as Windoze? Because people
>>> don't know how many distros are there to choose from so they just use
>>> one thing only and that is Windoze.
>>>
>>> If Ubuntu can control its source code and stop people from using it then
>>> with a bit of marketing and bribing OEMs, Linux can catch up. Somebody
>>> needs to sell machines with Linux pre-installed but this requires some
>>> initiative and some money from Ubuntu and Red Hat. M$ used to pay to
>>> OEMs before Windoze became popular.
>>
>> 98% of Super-computers run Linux.
>>
> Mint? or you just wanted to say something really stupid?

No, I'll leave that to you.

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 by: Edmund - Fri, 21 Jul 2023 15:55 UTC

On 7/21/23 08:08, Bob Martin wrote:
> On 20 Jul 2023 at 07:18:24, Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 7/20/23 06:54, Bob Martin wrote:
>>> On 19 Jul 2023 at 18:20:00, Jack <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:
>>>> On 18/07/2023 13:47, Yrrah wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Aren't there other priorities? Why not focus on what an excellent OS
>>>>> should be (instead of what it looks like)?
>>>>
>>>> Probably there isn't anything to improve!
>>>>
>>>> You asked ": Why so many themes?". The short answer is to confuse the users.
>>>>
>>>> Why do you think Linux is not as popular as Windoze? Because people
>>>> don't know how many distros are there to choose from so they just use
>>>> one thing only and that is Windoze.
>>>>
>>>> If Ubuntu can control its source code and stop people from using it then
>>>> with a bit of marketing and bribing OEMs, Linux can catch up. Somebody
>>>> needs to sell machines with Linux pre-installed but this requires some
>>>> initiative and some money from Ubuntu and Red Hat. M$ used to pay to
>>>> OEMs before Windoze became popular.
>>>
>>> 98% of Super-computers run Linux.
>>>
>> Mint? or you just wanted to say something really stupid?
>
> No,

In that case , you failed.

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The moment any organization established from pure noble intentions get
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Then we have organizations established from pure evil.

Edmund

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