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 by: Frank Slootweg - Wed, 25 Oct 2023 15:24 UTC

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Wally J wrote:
>
> > Please type your IP address into this lookup from Maxmind and let us
> > know how accurate it seems to be
>
> It says centre of London, with a claimed accuracy of 200km, which is
> 157km away from where I actually am, so it knows its limitations.

Mine is off by a few km and says I'm in the water, which is *NOT*
good! :-)

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 by: Andy Burns - Wed, 25 Oct 2023 15:31 UTC

Wally J wrote:

> does your PC really have GPS enabled on it?
> I've never encountered such a thing.

No mine doesn't, but I've known PCs with 3G/4G/5G connectivity to
provide GPS

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 by: Carlos E. R. - Wed, 25 Oct 2023 18:08 UTC

On 2023-10-25 17:01, Andy Burns wrote:
> Wally J wrote:
>
>> Please type your IP address into this lookup from Maxmind and let us
>> know how accurate it seems to be
>
> It says centre of London, with a claimed accuracy of 200km, which is
> 157km away from where I actually am, so it knows its limitations.

For me, it says somewhere in Madrid, where I guess the offices of my
current ISP are registered, which happens to be 4 Km of my actual location.

But google maps locates me much more accurately, and I am not logged in.

I did the experiment of starting Firefox under a new user, and google
maps is off, it goes to the centre of Madrid. On my normal user (same
laptop), its is quite accurate, it goes to my neighbourhood. So it must
be using some other hints. Not the WiFi, though.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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 by: Andy Burns - Wed, 25 Oct 2023 19:06 UTC

Carlos E. R. wrote:

> For me, it says somewhere in Madrid, where I guess the offices of my
> current ISP are registered, which happens to be 4 Km of my actual location.
>
> But google maps locates me much more accurately, and I am not logged in.

I have a /29 subnet, normally everything goes out with a single source
IP addr, so I set up a specific NAT rule for this laptop to use a
different IP, started a private browsing window, obviously not logged
into google.

checked with whatsmyip.org that the NAT rule was taking effect, and
google maps *still* knows which village I live in ...

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 by: Carlos E. R. - Wed, 25 Oct 2023 20:02 UTC

On 2023-10-25 21:06, Andy Burns wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> For me, it says somewhere in Madrid, where I guess the offices of my
>> current ISP are registered, which happens to be 4 Km of my actual
>> location.
>>
>> But google maps locates me much more accurately, and I am not logged in.
>
> I have a /29 subnet, normally everything goes out with a single source
> IP addr, so I set up a specific NAT rule for this laptop to use a
> different IP, started a private browsing window, obviously not logged
> into google.
>
> checked with whatsmyip.org that the NAT rule was taking effect, and
> google maps *still* knows which village I live in ...

Did you login with a new user?

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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 by: Wally J - Wed, 25 Oct 2023 23:30 UTC

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

> On 2023-10-25 21:06, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>> For me, it says somewhere in Madrid, where I guess the offices of my
>>> current ISP are registered, which happens to be 4 Km of my actual
>>> location.
>>>
>>> But google maps locates me much more accurately, and I am not logged in.
>>
>> I have a /29 subnet, normally everything goes out with a single source
>> IP addr, so I set up a specific NAT rule for this laptop to use a
>> different IP, started a private browsing window, obviously not logged
>> into google.
>>
>> checked with whatsmyip.org that the NAT rule was taking effect, and
>> google maps *still* knows which village I live in ...
>
> Did you login with a new user?

I'm interested in Andy's and Carlos' results where they get more accurate
geolocation in Google Maps when they're logged in than when they're not...

But...

I would simply ask both to confirm when they report their test results
whether or not they're using the Windows PC (which I presume they are).

As the Google maps (web or app) in Android/iOS uses different sensors.

Specifically, on Android it's darn nigh near impossible to turn off GPS
geolocation from happening under the covers unless you go to great lengths.

And, once you figure out all the places you need to turn 'em off...
they go back on again under a variety of common circumstances
(e.g., using maps or clearing cache or accessing firebase, etc.)

Ask me how I know this...
<https://i.postimg.cc/v8CS9SvY/precise-shortcut01.jpg>

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 by: Carlos E. R. - Wed, 25 Oct 2023 23:53 UTC

On 2023-10-26 01:30, Wally J wrote:
> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
>> On 2023-10-25 21:06, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> For me, it says somewhere in Madrid, where I guess the offices of my
>>>> current ISP are registered, which happens to be 4 Km of my actual
>>>> location.
>>>>
>>>> But google maps locates me much more accurately, and I am not logged in.
>>>
>>> I have a /29 subnet, normally everything goes out with a single source
>>> IP addr, so I set up a specific NAT rule for this laptop to use a
>>> different IP, started a private browsing window, obviously not logged
>>> into google.
>>>
>>> checked with whatsmyip.org that the NAT rule was taking effect, and
>>> google maps *still* knows which village I live in ...
>>
>> Did you login with a new user?
>
> I'm interested in Andy's and Carlos' results where they get more accurate
> geolocation in Google Maps when they're logged in than when they're not...
>
> But...
>
> I would simply ask both to confirm when they report their test results
> whether or not they're using the Windows PC (which I presume they are).

I tested in Linux
I was never logged in to google
I used Firefox.

If I'm logged in to google, Google knows my home address, as I saved it,
and I have location history intentionally active, and I correct the
errors it makes so that the history is accurate >:-P

But I was not logged in Google.

I tried with my normal Linux user and with a new user. With the normal
user it finds my correct neighbourhood. Obviously I have now and then
done searches of places, shops, etc, near my location.

>
> As the Google maps (web or app) in Android/iOS uses different sensors.
>
> Specifically, on Android it's darn nigh near impossible to turn off GPS
> geolocation from happening under the covers unless you go to great lengths.

As easy as setting airplane mode, then activating the wifi.

>
> And, once you figure out all the places you need to turn 'em off...
> they go back on again under a variety of common circumstances
> (e.g., using maps or clearing cache or accessing firebase, etc.)
>
> Ask me how I know this...
> <https://i.postimg.cc/v8CS9SvY/precise-shortcut01.jpg>

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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 by: Zaghadka - Thu, 26 Oct 2023 15:46 UTC

On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 01:33:15 -0400, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam>
wrote:

> *How did Malibu Media 100% determine GPS LOCATION of an IP address*
> *WITHOUT contacting the ISP*?

More importantly, how do we all know exactly who you are no matter how
much you nym shift?

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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 by: Wally J - Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:58 UTC

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote

>> has been gone into
>> detail by many of the same participants in the android group
>
> The original discussion from 2016 with WallyJ (then known as AliceJ) and
> a one-liner that lets you feed two MAC addrs into google's API and spit
> out a location
>
> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/-PK03bCEheM/m/feKn0AfpGgAJ>
>
> Just checked and that still works today, though it's a little more
> involved to get an apikey ...

Oh my! "*Our stoooooopid neighbors threw us all under the bus*!"
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/-PK03bCEheM/m/q3xjDe4QGwAJ>
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/-PK03bCEheM/m/feKn0AfpGgAJ>
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<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/-PK03bCEheM/m/5JCrrS5jGgAJ>
etc.

You ask Google's database if one BSSID is at the location of another BSSID,
and Google will tell you if your wife is at the hair salon or not, right?
(As long as your wife has a hotspot enabled, which can easily be arranged.)
<https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/geolocation/overview>
<http://samy.pl/androidmap/>
<https://blog.technitium.com/2011_06_01_archive.html>
<https://www.huffpost.com/entry/android-map-reveals-router-location_n_853214>
<http://blog.skidzun.de/2011/06/17/do-you-know-where-you-are/>
etc.

From that thread way back in January 2016 that Andy just referred to above.
*Are we all handing to Google the SSID of our home routers?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/-PK03bCEheM/>
That was way back in Jan 29, 2016, when I didn't know what I know now.

The biggest problem then was as now; we can't control our stupid neighbors.
Nor can we control the phone of the stupid people who drive by our house.

We can only control our stuff, so that we don't do stupid things too.

Most things only got worse since then... but the fix remains similar.
<https://i.postimg.cc/v8CS9SvY/precise-shortcut01.jpg> Privacy shortcuts
(The only thing that got better are my screenshots, due to FOSS Paint.NET)

Note that "cloning the LAN BSSID" actually got easier over time, while most
everything else got harder but what's bad is what you can do with LAN data
(where Jeff Liebermann explained the Wi-Fi port is on the LAN, not WAN).

Essentially, if you have the key, you can do the lookup if you tell Google
a few things, some of which you know already - so you can be malicious.

You can find if your wife's cellphone is at the hair parlor or not, if you
know two things about her cellphone & a similar two things at the parlor.

But malicious lookups aside, people should do a few things (one of which
almost everyone, if not everyone - doesn't understand & yet is so simple).

Note: The SSID isn't important - but the unique BSSID + GPS location is!

1. *Turn OFF your home router AP SSID broadcast (yes, turn it off).*
Not for security - so don't tell me that NetStumbler can still see it.
Why?
Phones don't _upload_ (with well-behaved software) when you turn it off.

Note: The SSID isn't the point - it's the BSSID you don't want uploaded!

2. *Append "_nomap" to the home router AP SSID.*

Why?
Well-behaved databases (e.g., Google/Mozilla) _remove_ opt-out items.
<https://searchengineland.com/google-announces-nomap-wifi-optout-101134>

NOTE: See Andy Burns' caveat about "well-behaved" online databases.
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/-PK03bCEheM/m/L4bfO4NSGQAJ>

We used to need to add "_optout" for Microsoft, but no longer (AFAIK).
Don't get hung up on the SSID; it controls the unique BSSID upload!

3. *Set the client device (e.g., a phone or mobile PC) to NOT RECONNECT!*

Why do you set "Reconnect=OFF" to a hidden-broadcast home AP SSID?
Otherwise, it "screams out" (Andy's words) that it's looking for it.

4. *You can also randomize the BSSID automatically every time you connect.*

Why?
Your old connection, if "screamed out", will contain a random BSSID.

5. *Jeff Liebermann suggests a blase SSID (e.g., NETGEAR or DEFAULT).*

Why?
The combination of unique SSID & BSSID is even more unique than before.

However, then you might want to choose a really good passphrase since
WPS2 rainbow hash tables exist on the Internet for dictionary lookups.

Caveat: See Jeff Liebermann's clarification about Rainbow Tables.
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/-PK03bCEheM/m/Hf4LdRhYGQAJ>
--
Privacy is simple things but you have to know what they are to do them.

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 by: Andy Burns - Thu, 26 Oct 2023 18:22 UTC

Wally J wrote:

> From that thread way back in January 2016 that Andy just referred to above.
> *Are we all handing to Google the SSID of our home routers?*

Google do "age-out" BSSIDs that haven't been seen in some time, the
original addresses I fed the API back then won't return a result now.

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 by: Wally J - Thu, 26 Oct 2023 21:09 UTC

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote

>> From that thread way back in January 2016 that Andy just referred to above.
>> *Are we all handing to Google the SSID of our home routers?*
>
> Google do "age-out" BSSIDs that haven't been seen in some time, the
> original addresses I fed the API back then won't return a result now.

Thank you for that thread, as there was a lot then that is apropos now.
Yes. I know they age out, as I tested it myself by changing my SSID.

One thing I could not, for the life of me figure out then, and now, is how
_you_ managed to _change_ your home router's MAC (BSSID) address, Andy.

1. Jeff Liebermann said you could not "normally" change the AP BSSID.
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/-PK03bCEheM/m/ST-ShkR4GQAJ>

2. Not without Linux, anyway... (we're talking the outward-facing MAC!)
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/-PK03bCEheM/m/feKn0AfpGgAJ>

3. But you seem to have changed the router's AP MAC (but did you really)?
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/-PK03bCEheM/m/vcxeErfiGQAJ>
"ifconfig wlan0 down
ifconfig wlan0 hw ether 08:BD:43:XX:XX:XX
ifconfig wlan0 up
on mine to change the MAC for the 2.4GHz Atheros radio
(as I'm SSH'ed over the 5.2GHz radio wlan1) and it seems
to have taken the new address"

I don't understand how you changed the hard-coded AP MAC (BSSID)
(which is what is seen by a wardriving car driving by your home).

Did you really change the outward-facing BSSID on your router?
How?
--
Because if you managed to change yours, I want to change mine.

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 by: Wally J - Thu, 26 Oct 2023 21:21 UTC

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

>>> a car at ground level will have problems recording a hundred WiFi
>>> signals at the same spot, some of them very weak.
>>
>> But if the car records some of the BSSIDs that your PC or phone can also
>> see, it knows where you are ...
>
> Ah, but there I have the advantage: I'm using Linux at the moment ;-p

Linux may not be doing what the PC is doing, but just to be clear, Android
is _definitely_ (by default) uploading these four things about each of
those (hundred) access points that it can see at any given point in space.

1. The phone's GPS location (which is unique!)
2. The (hundred) Wi-Fi BSSIDs that it can see (all of which are unique!)
3. The _signal strength!_ to each of those (hundred) Wi-Fi access points
4. The SSID for each of those (hundred) Wi-Fi access points

More information is uploaded, but that's the main four characteristics.
A. Notice they have the location of the phone
B. And the signal strength (in dBm) of the (hundred) access points

From that Google can pretty easily figure out approximately how far each of
those (hundred) APs are from your phone; and from doing that for hundreds
of phones, almost exactly where each of those (hundred) APs are located.

Like it or not, it's miserable to turn all this Wi-Fi (and Bluetooth!)
scanning off on today's Android phones if you happen to use Google Maps.
<https://i.postimg.cc/v8CS9SvY/precise-shortcut01.jpg> Privacy shortcuts

It can be done - but you have to be intelligent - and not stooopid.
(HINT: Most people are incredibly stupid - which is why this stuff works.)

Notice none of this happens if you do two things (you only need the first).
a. You append "_nomap" to the SSID (to remove it from the databases)
b. You hide the broadcast (which prevents it from being uploaded at all)
--
Privacy is not impossible any more than personal hygiene isn't impossible.

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 by: Andy Burns - Fri, 27 Oct 2023 07:23 UTC

Wally J wrote:

> One thing I could not, for the life of me figure out then, and now, is how
> you managed to change your home router's MAC (BSSID) address

At that time my router was running openWRT so I could have overridden
the hardware MAC address, but don't actually think I did.

I have a feeling that the .json file I used contained some of my
neighbours' BSSIDs rather than my own, however I'm using a different
router now.

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Subject: Re: How did Malibu Media find the exact GPS LOCATION of an IP address 100% of the time WITHOUT contacting the ISP?
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 by: Wally J - Fri, 27 Oct 2023 15:59 UTC

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote

>> One thing I could not, for the life of me figure out then, and now, is how
>> you managed to change your home router's MAC (BSSID) address
>
> At that time my router was running openWRT so I could have overridden
> the hardware MAC address, but don't actually think I did.

Thanks for confirming, as I'm well aware all the platforms (Windows, Linux
& Android) can change "their" connecting MAC address - but the one MAC
address that is outward facing is the one in the home router itself.

I'm aware there is a CLI on every router but I don't know (yet) of any
command that will clone/spoof/change the hard-coded outward facing MAC.

> I have a feeling that the .json file I used contained some of my
> neighbours' BSSIDs rather than my own, however I'm using a different
> router now.

The problem with privacy from Google is in two ways (both because most
people are stupid as I said back in 2016) that we have to protect against.

1. People who drive by our homes upload to Google our broadcast information
2. People next door broadcast their information (which is at our location)

It wasn't so bad when Google didn't force "precise location" scanning.

But now that Google forces that on smartphones, we're doomed as a result
unless we can figure out a way to prevent this from happening to us.

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Subject: Re: How did Malibu Media find the exact GPS LOCATION of an IP address 100% of the time WITHOUT contacting the ISP?
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 by: Zaghadka - Fri, 27 Oct 2023 19:39 UTC

You have got to be the most successful troll I have ever seen. I can't
even begin to killfile this stuff. But your count group is weird.

I mean, clearly it has nothing to do with satellite navigation, even
though the header mentions GPS. That is: IP geolocation has absolutely
*nothing* to do with satellite navigation. Very clever.

Now could you please go away, Arlen? I'm getting sick of deleting your
messages, but more than that, the troll feeding frenzy that follows them.

Could y'all please stop fattening this guy up?

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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Subject: Re: How did Malibu Media find the exact GPS LOCATION of an IP address 100% of the time WITHOUT contacting the ISP?
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 by: Wally J - Mon, 30 Oct 2023 00:24 UTC

Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote

> Now could you please go away,

If you can't see how your GPS location is part of the upload to Google's
database, and which is likely what they're using, then you're an idiot.

But to your point Zaghadka, you're one of the biggest trolls out there.
When have _you_ ever added even a single iota of on-topic value Zaghadka?
*The answer is you have _never_ added any value, Zaghadka*

Also the answer is you can't ever add any value, Zaghadka.

Want facts?

You posted twice, for example, to this thread, subtracting value each time.
Think about that before you claim everyone else is a troll except for you.

Please do not post further to this thread unless you can add topical value.

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 by: Zaghadka - Mon, 30 Oct 2023 07:32 UTC

On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 20:24:46 -0400, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam>
wrote:

>Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote
>
>> Now could you please go away,
>
>If you can't see how your GPS location is part of the upload to Google's
>database, and which is likely what they're using,
>

Goalposts moved. Now it's about Google and not Malibu Media? It's really
about satnav and not IP geolocation? Smooth.

>then you're an idiot.

Ah, ad hominem insults. The last resort of a troll on the ropes.

Good luck, guy. Please stop nym-shifting so I can properly ignore you.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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