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 by: Rob H - Thu, 27 Jul 2023 19:40 UTC

I am trying to re install LM 21.2 onto another ssd disk,as something
else but the installation wants me to have an efi partition. Otherwise
grub does notb get installed with a fatal error message to that effect.

So I go back and set an efi partition of 500mb, but then I keep getting
messages telling it is too small.
the said ssd is just 120Gb , which is 120053mb. I have tried setting the
efi partition upto 20Gb, which is 2000mb, but still getting the same
error about it being too small.

Help please.

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Subject: Re: Problem installing mint 21.2 efi partition too small
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 by: Paul - Thu, 27 Jul 2023 20:29 UTC

On 7/27/2023 3:40 PM, Rob H wrote:
> I am trying to re install LM 21.2 onto another ssd disk,as something
> else but the installation wants me to have an efi partition. Otherwise
> grub does notb get installed with a fatal error message to that effect.
>
> So I go back and set an efi partition of 500mb, but then I keep getting
> messages telling it is too small.
>
> the said ssd is just 120Gb , which is 120053mb. I have tried setting the
> efi partition upto 20Gb, which is 2000mb, but still getting the same error
> about it being too small.
>
> Help please.

Exactly how many disk drives are inside the computer, during
the LM 21.2 installation procedure ?

It is probably selecting the wrong drive to place GRUB,
and it is measuring the size of that ESP partition on that wrong drive.

If you have only ONE drive in the computer, it is pretty
difficult for the ESP to end up in a place it does not belong.

I simplify my setups, when doing installations, making sure
that it is not possible for the software to do "strange things"
to my setup.

*******

A typical situation, is you have a Windows GPT drive, it has one
of those "tiny" Windows ESP partitions, and of course Linux is
mightily annoyed by the size it finds. All it would take, is
mistaking a Windows drive as the target ESP and you get the error.

Disconnecting the Windows drive in that example, prevents Mint from
even sniffing that drive. Fewer accidents can happen.

Once you are absolutely certain the GRUB info is in the correct ESP
(because only one drive was present), you can plug in the other drives
and do "update-grub" whenever you want. Then, it can pick up other
OSes to add to the boot menu.

Paul

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 by: Rob H - Thu, 27 Jul 2023 21:58 UTC

On 27/07/2023 21:29, Paul wrote:
> On 7/27/2023 3:40 PM, Rob H wrote:
>> I am trying to re install LM 21.2 onto another ssd disk,as something
>> else but the installation wants me to have an efi partition. Otherwise
>> grub does notb get installed with a fatal error message to that effect.
>>
>> So I go back and set an efi partition of 500mb, but then I keep getting
>> messages telling it is too small.
>>
>> the said ssd is just 120Gb , which is 120053mb. I have tried setting the
>> efi partition upto 20Gb, which is 2000mb, but still getting the same error
>> about it being too small.
>>
>> Help please.
>
> Exactly how many disk drives are inside the computer, during
> the LM 21.2 installation procedure ?
>
> It is probably selecting the wrong drive to place GRUB,
> and it is measuring the size of that ESP partition on that wrong drive.
>
> If you have only ONE drive in the computer, it is pretty
> difficult for the ESP to end up in a place it does not belong.
>
> I simplify my setups, when doing installations, making sure
> that it is not possible for the software to do "strange things"
> to my setup.
>
> *******
>
> A typical situation, is you have a Windows GPT drive, it has one
> of those "tiny" Windows ESP partitions, and of course Linux is
> mightily annoyed by the size it finds. All it would take, is
> mistaking a Windows drive as the target ESP and you get the error.
>
> Disconnecting the Windows drive in that example, prevents Mint from
> even sniffing that drive. Fewer accidents can happen.
>
> Once you are absolutely certain the GRUB info is in the correct ESP
> (because only one drive was present), you can plug in the other drives
> and do "update-grub" whenever you want. Then, it can pick up other
> OSes to add to the boot menu.
>
> Paul

There are 2 ssd disks ,x1 120Gb and the other is 240Gb, which has my
/home directory on
I have connected both drives as sda for the 120Gb and sdb for the 240Gb

I don't have any windows disks in the PC case at all.

When I go through the install process I select the 240Gb drive for my
/home, and don't select format.
I then select the 120Gb drive for the / directory, but I keep getting
messages about no efi partition.
I don't have an efi partition on my original install,. I've checked

Thanks

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 by: Paul - Fri, 28 Jul 2023 00:47 UTC

On 7/27/2023 5:58 PM, Rob H wrote:
> On 27/07/2023 21:29, Paul wrote:
>> On 7/27/2023 3:40 PM, Rob H wrote:
>>> I am trying to re install LM 21.2 onto another ssd disk,as something
>>> else but the installation wants me to have an efi partition. Otherwise
>>> grub does notb get installed with a fatal error message to that effect.
>>>
>>> So I go back and set an efi partition of 500mb, but then I keep getting
>>> messages telling it is too small.
>>>
>>> the said ssd is just 120Gb , which is 120053mb. I have tried setting the
>>> efi partition upto 20Gb, which is 2000mb, but still getting the same error
>>> about it being too small.
>>>
>>> Help please.
>>
>> Exactly how many disk drives are inside the computer, during
>> the LM 21.2 installation procedure ?
>>
>> It is probably selecting the wrong drive to place GRUB,
>> and it is measuring the size of that ESP partition on that wrong drive.
>>
>> If you have only ONE drive in the computer, it is pretty
>> difficult for the ESP to end up in a place it does not belong.
>>
>> I simplify my setups, when doing installations, making sure
>> that it is not possible for the software to do "strange things"
>> to my setup.
>>
>> *******
>>
>> A typical situation, is you have a Windows GPT drive, it has one
>> of those "tiny" Windows ESP partitions, and of course Linux is
>> mightily annoyed by the size it finds. All it would take, is
>> mistaking a Windows drive as the target ESP and you get the error.
>>
>> Disconnecting the Windows drive in that example, prevents Mint from
>> even sniffing that drive. Fewer accidents can happen.
>>
>> Once you are absolutely certain the GRUB info is in the correct ESP
>> (because only one drive was present), you can plug in the other drives
>> and do "update-grub" whenever you want. Then, it can pick up other
>> OSes to add to the boot menu.
>>
>>     Paul
>
> There are 2 ssd disks ,x1 120Gb and the other is 240Gb, which has my /home directory on
> I have connected both drives as sda for the 120Gb and sdb for the 240Gb
>
> I don't have any windows disks in the PC case at all.
>
> When I go through the install process I select the 240Gb drive for my /home, and don't select format.
> I then select the 120Gb drive for the / directory, but I  keep getting messages about no efi partition.
> I don't have an efi partition on my original install,. I've checked
>
> Thanks

Using "gnome-disks", locate all your ESP partitions.

Would GRUB be just finding whatever it can, and trying to use it ?
Or is the message about size, because the size of it is zero (does not exist?).

It sounds like it is making choices, and you're not steering the
process enough to knock sense into it :-)

Paul

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 by: Rob H - Fri, 28 Jul 2023 08:03 UTC

On 28/07/2023 01:47, Paul wrote:
> On 7/27/2023 5:58 PM, Rob H wrote:
>> On 27/07/2023 21:29, Paul wrote:
>>> On 7/27/2023 3:40 PM, Rob H wrote:
>>>> I am trying to re install LM 21.2 onto another ssd disk,as something
>>>> else but the installation wants me to have an efi partition. Otherwise
>>>> grub does notb get installed with a fatal error message to that effect.
>>>>
>>>> So I go back and set an efi partition of 500mb, but then I keep getting
>>>> messages telling it is too small.
>>>>
>>>> the said ssd is just 120Gb , which is 120053mb. I have tried setting the
>>>> efi partition upto 20Gb, which is 2000mb, but still getting the same error
>>>> about it being too small.
>>>>
>>>> Help please.
>>>
>>> Exactly how many disk drives are inside the computer, during
>>> the LM 21.2 installation procedure ?
>>>
>>> It is probably selecting the wrong drive to place GRUB,
>>> and it is measuring the size of that ESP partition on that wrong drive.
>>>
>>> If you have only ONE drive in the computer, it is pretty
>>> difficult for the ESP to end up in a place it does not belong.
>>>
>>> I simplify my setups, when doing installations, making sure
>>> that it is not possible for the software to do "strange things"
>>> to my setup.
>>>
>>> *******
>>>
>>> A typical situation, is you have a Windows GPT drive, it has one
>>> of those "tiny" Windows ESP partitions, and of course Linux is
>>> mightily annoyed by the size it finds. All it would take, is
>>> mistaking a Windows drive as the target ESP and you get the error.
>>>
>>> Disconnecting the Windows drive in that example, prevents Mint from
>>> even sniffing that drive. Fewer accidents can happen.
>>>
>>> Once you are absolutely certain the GRUB info is in the correct ESP
>>> (because only one drive was present), you can plug in the other drives
>>> and do "update-grub" whenever you want. Then, it can pick up other
>>> OSes to add to the boot menu.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>
>> There are 2 ssd disks ,x1 120Gb and the other is 240Gb, which has my /home directory on
>> I have connected both drives as sda for the 120Gb and sdb for the 240Gb
>>
>> I don't have any windows disks in the PC case at all.
>>
>> When I go through the install process I select the 240Gb drive for my /home, and don't select format.
>> I then select the 120Gb drive for the / directory, but I  keep getting messages about no efi partition.
>> I don't have an efi partition on my original install,. I've checked
>>
>> Thanks
>
> Using "gnome-disks", locate all your ESP partitions.
>
> Would GRUB be just finding whatever it can, and trying to use it ?
> Or is the message about size, because the size of it is zero (does not exist?).
>
> It sounds like it is making choices, and you're not steering the
> process enough to knock sense into it :-)
>
> Paul
>
Thanks but what is "gnome-disks", and what are ESP partitions

To put my problem another way:
Why do i have to have a EFI partition
How can LM 21.2 be installed in BIOS legacy mode or what ever it is called.
Also is it because I am selecting 'something else' and doing it manually
instead of automatically installing LM

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 by: Rob H - Fri, 28 Jul 2023 08:29 UTC

On 28/07/2023 09:03, Rob H wrote:
> On 28/07/2023 01:47, Paul wrote:
>> On 7/27/2023 5:58 PM, Rob H wrote:
>>> On 27/07/2023 21:29, Paul wrote:
>>>> On 7/27/2023 3:40 PM, Rob H wrote:
>>>>> I am trying to re install LM 21.2 onto another ssd disk,as something
>>>>> else but the installation wants me to have an efi partition. Otherwise
>>>>> grub does notb get installed with a fatal error message to that
>>>>> effect.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I go back and set an efi partition of 500mb, but then I keep
>>>>> getting
>>>>> messages telling it is too small.
>>>>>
>>>>> the said ssd is just 120Gb , which is 120053mb. I have tried
>>>>> setting the
>>>>> efi partition upto 20Gb, which is 2000mb, but still getting the
>>>>> same error
>>>>> about it being too small.
>>>>>
>>>>> Help please.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly how many disk drives are inside the computer, during
>>>> the LM 21.2 installation procedure ?
>>>>
>>>> It is probably selecting the wrong drive to place GRUB,
>>>> and it is measuring the size of that ESP partition on that wrong drive.
>>>>
>>>> If you have only ONE drive in the computer, it is pretty
>>>> difficult for the ESP to end up in a place it does not belong.
>>>>
>>>> I simplify my setups, when doing installations, making sure
>>>> that it is not possible for the software to do "strange things"
>>>> to my setup.
>>>>
>>>> *******
>>>>
>>>> A typical situation, is you have a Windows GPT drive, it has one
>>>> of those "tiny" Windows ESP partitions, and of course Linux is
>>>> mightily annoyed by the size it finds. All it would take, is
>>>> mistaking a Windows drive as the target ESP and you get the error.
>>>>
>>>> Disconnecting the Windows drive in that example, prevents Mint from
>>>> even sniffing that drive. Fewer accidents can happen.
>>>>
>>>> Once you are absolutely certain the GRUB info is in the correct ESP
>>>> (because only one drive was present), you can plug in the other drives
>>>> and do "update-grub" whenever you want. Then, it can pick up other
>>>> OSes to add to the boot menu.
>>>>
>>>>      Paul
>>>
>>> There are 2 ssd disks ,x1 120Gb and the other is 240Gb, which has my
>>> /home directory on
>>> I have connected both drives as sda for the 120Gb and sdb for the 240Gb
>>>
>>> I don't have any windows disks in the PC case at all.
>>>
>>> When I go through the install process I select the 240Gb drive for my
>>> /home, and don't select format.
>>> I then select the 120Gb drive for the / directory, but I  keep
>>> getting messages about no efi partition.
>>> I don't have an efi partition on my original install,. I've checked
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>> Using "gnome-disks", locate all your ESP partitions.
>>
>> Would GRUB be just finding whatever it can, and trying to use it ?
>> Or is the message about size, because the size of it is zero (does not
>> exist?).
>>
>> It sounds like it is making choices, and you're not steering the
>> process enough to knock sense into it :-)
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>  Thanks but what is "gnome-disks", and what are ESP partitions
>
> To put my problem another way:
> Why do i have to have a EFI partition
> How can LM 21.2 be installed in BIOS legacy mode or what ever it is called.
> Also is it because I am selecting 'something else' and doing it manually
> instead of automatically installing LM

Aah, I just know it as 'Disks' and have looked but I don't see any ESP
partitions. There is a FAT32 partition on the boot disk.

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 by: Rob H - Fri, 28 Jul 2023 11:40 UTC

On 28/07/2023 09:29, Rob H wrote:
> On 28/07/2023 09:03, Rob H wrote:
>> On 28/07/2023 01:47, Paul wrote:
>>> On 7/27/2023 5:58 PM, Rob H wrote:
>>>> On 27/07/2023 21:29, Paul wrote:
>>>>> On 7/27/2023 3:40 PM, Rob H wrote:
>>>>>> I am trying to re install LM 21.2 onto another ssd disk,as something
>>>>>> else but the installation wants me to have an efi partition.
>>>>>> Otherwise
>>>>>> grub does notb get installed with a fatal error message to that
>>>>>> effect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I go back and set an efi partition of 500mb, but then I keep
>>>>>> getting
>>>>>> messages telling it is too small.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the said ssd is just 120Gb , which is 120053mb. I have tried
>>>>>> setting the
>>>>>> efi partition upto 20Gb, which is 2000mb, but still getting the
>>>>>> same error
>>>>>> about it being too small.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Help please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly how many disk drives are inside the computer, during
>>>>> the LM 21.2 installation procedure ?
>>>>>
>>>>> It is probably selecting the wrong drive to place GRUB,
>>>>> and it is measuring the size of that ESP partition on that wrong
>>>>> drive.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have only ONE drive in the computer, it is pretty
>>>>> difficult for the ESP to end up in a place it does not belong.
>>>>>
>>>>> I simplify my setups, when doing installations, making sure
>>>>> that it is not possible for the software to do "strange things"
>>>>> to my setup.
>>>>>
>>>>> *******
>>>>>
>>>>> A typical situation, is you have a Windows GPT drive, it has one
>>>>> of those "tiny" Windows ESP partitions, and of course Linux is
>>>>> mightily annoyed by the size it finds. All it would take, is
>>>>> mistaking a Windows drive as the target ESP and you get the error.
>>>>>
>>>>> Disconnecting the Windows drive in that example, prevents Mint from
>>>>> even sniffing that drive. Fewer accidents can happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once you are absolutely certain the GRUB info is in the correct ESP
>>>>> (because only one drive was present), you can plug in the other drives
>>>>> and do "update-grub" whenever you want. Then, it can pick up other
>>>>> OSes to add to the boot menu.
>>>>>
>>>>>      Paul
>>>>
>>>> There are 2 ssd disks ,x1 120Gb and the other is 240Gb, which has my
>>>> /home directory on
>>>> I have connected both drives as sda for the 120Gb and sdb for the 240Gb
>>>>
>>>> I don't have any windows disks in the PC case at all.
>>>>
>>>> When I go through the install process I select the 240Gb drive for
>>>> my /home, and don't select format.
>>>> I then select the 120Gb drive for the / directory, but I  keep
>>>> getting messages about no efi partition.
>>>> I don't have an efi partition on my original install,. I've checked
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Using "gnome-disks", locate all your ESP partitions.
>>>
>>> Would GRUB be just finding whatever it can, and trying to use it ?
>>> Or is the message about size, because the size of it is zero (does
>>> not exist?).
>>>
>>> It sounds like it is making choices, and you're not steering the
>>> process enough to knock sense into it :-)
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>   Thanks but what is "gnome-disks", and what are ESP partitions
>>
>> To put my problem another way:
>> Why do i have to have a EFI partition
>> How can LM 21.2 be installed in BIOS legacy mode or what ever it is
>> called.
>> Also is it because I am selecting 'something else' and doing it
>> manually instead of automatically installing LM
>
> Aah, I just know it as 'Disks' and have looked but I don't see any ESP
> partitions. There is a FAT32 partition on the  boot disk.

I managed to get the swap, efi and root partitions set on sda, the 120Gb
ssd, then I selected the 240Gb , sdb ssd drive for /home. Then clicked
'install now' there was an error message saying something about it
couldn't mount /home on sdb disk.

Just to elaborate, my /home partition has been on a separate drive for a
few years with all my files there. I don't want to format it or anything
apart from actually mounting it for the install procedure.

I read that it can be done, so it seems I have missed something??
How do I get around that.

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 by: Paul - Fri, 28 Jul 2023 11:41 UTC

On 7/28/2023 4:29 AM, Rob H wrote:
> On 28/07/2023 09:03, Rob H wrote:
>> On 28/07/2023 01:47, Paul wrote:
>>> On 7/27/2023 5:58 PM, Rob H wrote:
>>>> On 27/07/2023 21:29, Paul wrote:
>>>>> On 7/27/2023 3:40 PM, Rob H wrote:
>>>>>> I am trying to re install LM 21.2 onto another ssd disk,as something
>>>>>> else but the installation wants me to have an efi partition. Otherwise
>>>>>> grub does notb get installed with a fatal error message to that effect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I go back and set an efi partition of 500mb, but then I keep getting
>>>>>> messages telling it is too small.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the said ssd is just 120Gb , which is 120053mb. I have tried setting the
>>>>>> efi partition upto 20Gb, which is 2000mb, but still getting the same error
>>>>>> about it being too small.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Help please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly how many disk drives are inside the computer, during
>>>>> the LM 21.2 installation procedure ?
>>>>>
>>>>> It is probably selecting the wrong drive to place GRUB,
>>>>> and it is measuring the size of that ESP partition on that wrong drive.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have only ONE drive in the computer, it is pretty
>>>>> difficult for the ESP to end up in a place it does not belong.
>>>>>
>>>>> I simplify my setups, when doing installations, making sure
>>>>> that it is not possible for the software to do "strange things"
>>>>> to my setup.
>>>>>
>>>>> *******
>>>>>
>>>>> A typical situation, is you have a Windows GPT drive, it has one
>>>>> of those "tiny" Windows ESP partitions, and of course Linux is
>>>>> mightily annoyed by the size it finds. All it would take, is
>>>>> mistaking a Windows drive as the target ESP and you get the error.
>>>>>
>>>>> Disconnecting the Windows drive in that example, prevents Mint from
>>>>> even sniffing that drive. Fewer accidents can happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once you are absolutely certain the GRUB info is in the correct ESP
>>>>> (because only one drive was present), you can plug in the other drives
>>>>> and do "update-grub" whenever you want. Then, it can pick up other
>>>>> OSes to add to the boot menu.
>>>>>
>>>>>      Paul
>>>>
>>>> There are 2 ssd disks ,x1 120Gb and the other is 240Gb, which has my /home directory on
>>>> I have connected both drives as sda for the 120Gb and sdb for the 240Gb
>>>>
>>>> I don't have any windows disks in the PC case at all.
>>>>
>>>> When I go through the install process I select the 240Gb drive for my /home, and don't select format.
>>>> I then select the 120Gb drive for the / directory, but I  keep getting messages about no efi partition.
>>>> I don't have an efi partition on my original install,. I've checked
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Using "gnome-disks", locate all your ESP partitions.
>>>
>>> Would GRUB be just finding whatever it can, and trying to use it ?
>>> Or is the message about size, because the size of it is zero (does not exist?).
>>>
>>> It sounds like it is making choices, and you're not steering the
>>> process enough to knock sense into it :-)
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>   Thanks but what is "gnome-disks", and what are ESP partitions
>>
>> To put my problem another way:
>> Why do i have to have a EFI partition
>> How can LM 21.2 be installed in BIOS legacy mode or what ever it is called.
>> Also is it because I am selecting 'something else' and doing it manually instead of automatically installing LM
>
> Aah, I just know it as 'Disks' and have looked but I don't see any ESP partitions. There is a FAT32 partition on the  boot disk.

Does this distro, only do GPT disks, or does it still handle MSDOS-era CHS partitioning ?

It used to be, if you had a UEFI motherboard, and, you had put it in
both UEFI+CSM mode, you booted the Linux install media into the
mode intended for the task. (For a fair number of releases, these
DVDs have been hybrid type, and capable of booting in more than one mode.)

If you had an empty HDD, you could boot the DVD in UEFI mode (from
the BIOS popup boot menu), and the install would go in UEFI mode,
the disk partitioning of the empty disk would be made GPT, an ESP
would be made for you, a / partition and a swap partition.

If, on the other hand, you looked in the popup boot, for the non-UEFI
boot option for the DVD, the installation would occur in MSDOS partitioning
mode, and there would be no ESP. ESP did not exist in the old way of
doing things.

What this scheme does not particularly like, is "challenges". If the
disk is GPT and you boot legacy, or the disk is MSDOS partitioned
and you boot UEFI, I don't know if it can handle that kind of variability.

It was the booting of the DVD in a "mode" which signaled user intent.

The user either signaled this was a GPT setup.
Or the user signaled they knew the disk was MSDOS already, and only MSDOS GRUB would work.

The reason I cannot volunteer more graphical information than that, is
I can't see your disks, nor what OSes are present currently.

With these, I would boot the DVD in the mode suited to the install.
One disk, I would boot DVD in legacy mode, other disk, boot DVD in UEFI mode, to install.
These disks would NEVER be installed at the same time,
because Paul would be really really confused. They were only
put in the PC at the same time, for pictures at the beach.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/0Q1qf4MR/linux-and-friends-at-the-beach.gif

Paul

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 by: Rob H - Fri, 28 Jul 2023 12:21 UTC

On 28/07/2023 12:41, Paul wrote:
> On 7/28/2023 4:29 AM, Rob H wrote:
>> On 28/07/2023 09:03, Rob H wrote:
>>> On 28/07/2023 01:47, Paul wrote:
>>>> On 7/27/2023 5:58 PM, Rob H wrote:
>>>>> On 27/07/2023 21:29, Paul wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/27/2023 3:40 PM, Rob H wrote:
>>>>>>> I am trying to re install LM 21.2 onto another ssd disk,as something
>>>>>>> else but the installation wants me to have an efi partition. Otherwise
>>>>>>> grub does notb get installed with a fatal error message to that effect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I go back and set an efi partition of 500mb, but then I keep getting
>>>>>>> messages telling it is too small.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the said ssd is just 120Gb , which is 120053mb. I have tried setting the
>>>>>>> efi partition upto 20Gb, which is 2000mb, but still getting the same error
>>>>>>> about it being too small.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Help please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly how many disk drives are inside the computer, during
>>>>>> the LM 21.2 installation procedure ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is probably selecting the wrong drive to place GRUB,
>>>>>> and it is measuring the size of that ESP partition on that wrong drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have only ONE drive in the computer, it is pretty
>>>>>> difficult for the ESP to end up in a place it does not belong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I simplify my setups, when doing installations, making sure
>>>>>> that it is not possible for the software to do "strange things"
>>>>>> to my setup.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *******
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A typical situation, is you have a Windows GPT drive, it has one
>>>>>> of those "tiny" Windows ESP partitions, and of course Linux is
>>>>>> mightily annoyed by the size it finds. All it would take, is
>>>>>> mistaking a Windows drive as the target ESP and you get the error.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Disconnecting the Windows drive in that example, prevents Mint from
>>>>>> even sniffing that drive. Fewer accidents can happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once you are absolutely certain the GRUB info is in the correct ESP
>>>>>> (because only one drive was present), you can plug in the other drives
>>>>>> and do "update-grub" whenever you want. Then, it can pick up other
>>>>>> OSes to add to the boot menu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Paul
>>>>>
>>>>> There are 2 ssd disks ,x1 120Gb and the other is 240Gb, which has my /home directory on
>>>>> I have connected both drives as sda for the 120Gb and sdb for the 240Gb
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have any windows disks in the PC case at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I go through the install process I select the 240Gb drive for my /home, and don't select format.
>>>>> I then select the 120Gb drive for the / directory, but I  keep getting messages about no efi partition.
>>>>> I don't have an efi partition on my original install,. I've checked
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Using "gnome-disks", locate all your ESP partitions.
>>>>
>>>> Would GRUB be just finding whatever it can, and trying to use it ?
>>>> Or is the message about size, because the size of it is zero (does not exist?).
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like it is making choices, and you're not steering the
>>>> process enough to knock sense into it :-)
>>>>
>>>>     Paul
>>>>
>>>   Thanks but what is "gnome-disks", and what are ESP partitions
>>>
>>> To put my problem another way:
>>> Why do i have to have a EFI partition
>>> How can LM 21.2 be installed in BIOS legacy mode or what ever it is called.
>>> Also is it because I am selecting 'something else' and doing it manually instead of automatically installing LM
>>
>> Aah, I just know it as 'Disks' and have looked but I don't see any ESP partitions. There is a FAT32 partition on the  boot disk.
>
> Does this distro, only do GPT disks, or does it still handle MSDOS-era CHS partitioning ?
>
> It used to be, if you had a UEFI motherboard, and, you had put it in
> both UEFI+CSM mode, you booted the Linux install media into the
> mode intended for the task. (For a fair number of releases, these
> DVDs have been hybrid type, and capable of booting in more than one mode.)
>
> If you had an empty HDD, you could boot the DVD in UEFI mode (from
> the BIOS popup boot menu), and the install would go in UEFI mode,
> the disk partitioning of the empty disk would be made GPT, an ESP
> would be made for you, a / partition and a swap partition.
>
> If, on the other hand, you looked in the popup boot, for the non-UEFI
> boot option for the DVD, the installation would occur in MSDOS partitioning
> mode, and there would be no ESP. ESP did not exist in the old way of
> doing things.
>
> What this scheme does not particularly like, is "challenges". If the
> disk is GPT and you boot legacy, or the disk is MSDOS partitioned
> and you boot UEFI, I don't know if it can handle that kind of variability.
>
> It was the booting of the DVD in a "mode" which signaled user intent.
>
> The user either signaled this was a GPT setup.
> Or the user signaled they knew the disk was MSDOS already, and only MSDOS GRUB would work.
>
> The reason I cannot volunteer more graphical information than that, is
> I can't see your disks, nor what OSes are present currently.
>
> With these, I would boot the DVD in the mode suited to the install.
> One disk, I would boot DVD in legacy mode, other disk, boot DVD in UEFI mode, to install.
> These disks would NEVER be installed at the same time,
> because Paul would be really really confused. They were only
> put in the PC at the same time, for pictures at the beach.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/0Q1qf4MR/linux-and-friends-at-the-beach.gif
>
> Paul

I am booting from a 8gb USB stick which has LM 21.2 on
As i said, I have set the swap, efi and root partitions on /dev/sda,
which is a 120Gb ssd
I then set the /home partition on /dev/sdb, which is a 240Gb ssd, but
not to format it.

hen click install now and as I am entering me details, an error
message appears saying it couldn't mount vfat sdb /home, or something
similar

I read that you could just select /home on a separate disk but not
format during the new install process, but it is not working for me.
What have I missed.

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On 7/28/2023 8:21 AM, Rob H wrote:
> On 28/07/2023 12:41, Paul wrote:
>> On 7/28/2023 4:29 AM, Rob H wrote:
>>> On 28/07/2023 09:03, Rob H wrote:
>>>> On 28/07/2023 01:47, Paul wrote:
>>>>> On 7/27/2023 5:58 PM, Rob H wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/07/2023 21:29, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/27/2023 3:40 PM, Rob H wrote:
>>>>>>>> I am trying to re install LM 21.2 onto another ssd disk,as something
>>>>>>>> else but the installation wants me to have an efi partition. Otherwise
>>>>>>>> grub does notb get installed with a fatal error message to that effect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I go back and set an efi partition of 500mb, but then I keep getting
>>>>>>>> messages telling it is too small.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the said ssd is just 120Gb , which is 120053mb. I have tried setting the
>>>>>>>> efi partition upto 20Gb, which is 2000mb, but still getting the same error
>>>>>>>> about it being too small.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Help please.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exactly how many disk drives are inside the computer, during
>>>>>>> the LM 21.2 installation procedure ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is probably selecting the wrong drive to place GRUB,
>>>>>>> and it is measuring the size of that ESP partition on that wrong drive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have only ONE drive in the computer, it is pretty
>>>>>>> difficult for the ESP to end up in a place it does not belong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I simplify my setups, when doing installations, making sure
>>>>>>> that it is not possible for the software to do "strange things"
>>>>>>> to my setup.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *******
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A typical situation, is you have a Windows GPT drive, it has one
>>>>>>> of those "tiny" Windows ESP partitions, and of course Linux is
>>>>>>> mightily annoyed by the size it finds. All it would take, is
>>>>>>> mistaking a Windows drive as the target ESP and you get the error.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Disconnecting the Windows drive in that example, prevents Mint from
>>>>>>> even sniffing that drive. Fewer accidents can happen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once you are absolutely certain the GRUB info is in the correct ESP
>>>>>>> (because only one drive was present), you can plug in the other drives
>>>>>>> and do "update-grub" whenever you want. Then, it can pick up other
>>>>>>> OSes to add to the boot menu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are 2 ssd disks ,x1 120Gb and the other is 240Gb, which has my /home directory on
>>>>>> I have connected both drives as sda for the 120Gb and sdb for the 240Gb
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have any windows disks in the PC case at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I go through the install process I select the 240Gb drive for my /home, and don't select format.
>>>>>> I then select the 120Gb drive for the / directory, but I  keep getting messages about no efi partition.
>>>>>> I don't have an efi partition on my original install,. I've checked
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Using "gnome-disks", locate all your ESP partitions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would GRUB be just finding whatever it can, and trying to use it ?
>>>>> Or is the message about size, because the size of it is zero (does not exist?).
>>>>>
>>>>> It sounds like it is making choices, and you're not steering the
>>>>> process enough to knock sense into it :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>      Paul
>>>>>
>>>>    Thanks but what is "gnome-disks", and what are ESP partitions
>>>>
>>>> To put my problem another way:
>>>> Why do i have to have a EFI partition
>>>> How can LM 21.2 be installed in BIOS legacy mode or what ever it is called.
>>>> Also is it because I am selecting 'something else' and doing it manually instead of automatically installing LM
>>>
>>> Aah, I just know it as 'Disks' and have looked but I don't see any ESP partitions. There is a FAT32 partition on the  boot disk.
>>
>> Does this distro, only do GPT disks, or does it still handle MSDOS-era CHS partitioning ?
>>
>> It used to be, if you had a UEFI motherboard, and, you had put it in
>> both UEFI+CSM mode, you booted the Linux install media into the
>> mode intended for the task. (For a fair number of releases, these
>> DVDs have been hybrid type, and capable of booting in more than one mode.)
>>
>> If you had an empty HDD, you could boot the DVD in UEFI mode (from
>> the BIOS popup boot menu), and the install would go in UEFI mode,
>> the disk partitioning of the empty disk would be made GPT, an ESP
>> would be made for you, a / partition and a swap partition.
>>
>> If, on the other hand, you looked in the popup boot, for the non-UEFI
>> boot option for the DVD, the installation would occur in MSDOS partitioning
>> mode, and there would be no ESP. ESP did not exist in the old way of
>> doing things.
>>
>> What this scheme does not particularly like, is "challenges". If the
>> disk is GPT and you boot legacy, or the disk is MSDOS partitioned
>> and you boot UEFI, I don't know if it can handle that kind of variability.
>>
>> It was the booting of the DVD in a "mode" which signaled user intent.
>>
>> The user either signaled this was a GPT setup.
>> Or the user signaled they knew the disk was MSDOS already, and only MSDOS GRUB would work.
>>
>> The reason I cannot volunteer more graphical information than that, is
>> I can't see your disks, nor what OSes are present currently.
>>
>> With these, I would boot the DVD in the mode suited to the install.
>> One disk, I would boot DVD in legacy mode, other disk, boot DVD in UEFI mode, to install.
>> These disks would NEVER be installed at the same time,
>> because Paul would be really really confused. They were only
>> put in the PC at the same time, for pictures at the beach.
>>
>>     [Picture]
>>
>>      https://i.postimg.cc/0Q1qf4MR/linux-and-friends-at-the-beach.gif
>>
>>     Paul
>
> I am booting from a 8gb USB stick which has LM 21.2 on
> As i said, I have set the swap, efi and root partitions on /dev/sda, which is a 120Gb ssd
> I then set the /home partition on /dev/sdb, which is a 240Gb ssd, but not to format it.
>
> Then click install now and as I am entering me details, an error message appears saying
> it couldn't mount vfat sdb /home, or something similar
>
> I read that you could just select /home on a separate disk but not format during the
> new install process, but it is not working for me.
>
> What have I missed.

Mine screwed up too, when I tried it.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/QCQ1RL5T/not-the-right-home-setup.gif

It looks like my second disk and its /dev/sdb1 partition,
should just have "bullwinkle" directory as the top level.
Rather than the home/bullwinkle I stupidly assumed.

But it did not complain about the EXT4 formatting of /dev/sdb1 .

Time to cleanup, and retry.

Paul

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 by: Paul - Fri, 28 Jul 2023 21:14 UTC

On 7/28/2023 4:13 PM, Paul wrote:
> On 7/28/2023 8:21 AM, Rob H wrote:
>> On 28/07/2023 12:41, Paul wrote:
>>> On 7/28/2023 4:29 AM, Rob H wrote:
>>>> On 28/07/2023 09:03, Rob H wrote:
>>>>> On 28/07/2023 01:47, Paul wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/27/2023 5:58 PM, Rob H wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/07/2023 21:29, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/27/2023 3:40 PM, Rob H wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I am trying to re install LM 21.2 onto another ssd disk,as something
>>>>>>>>> else but the installation wants me to have an efi partition. Otherwise
>>>>>>>>> grub does notb get installed with a fatal error message to that effect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So I go back and set an efi partition of 500mb, but then I keep getting
>>>>>>>>> messages telling it is too small.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the said ssd is just 120Gb , which is 120053mb. I have tried setting the
>>>>>>>>> efi partition upto 20Gb, which is 2000mb, but still getting the same error
>>>>>>>>> about it being too small.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Help please.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Exactly how many disk drives are inside the computer, during
>>>>>>>> the LM 21.2 installation procedure ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is probably selecting the wrong drive to place GRUB,
>>>>>>>> and it is measuring the size of that ESP partition on that wrong drive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you have only ONE drive in the computer, it is pretty
>>>>>>>> difficult for the ESP to end up in a place it does not belong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I simplify my setups, when doing installations, making sure
>>>>>>>> that it is not possible for the software to do "strange things"
>>>>>>>> to my setup.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *******
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A typical situation, is you have a Windows GPT drive, it has one
>>>>>>>> of those "tiny" Windows ESP partitions, and of course Linux is
>>>>>>>> mightily annoyed by the size it finds. All it would take, is
>>>>>>>> mistaking a Windows drive as the target ESP and you get the error.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Disconnecting the Windows drive in that example, prevents Mint from
>>>>>>>> even sniffing that drive. Fewer accidents can happen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once you are absolutely certain the GRUB info is in the correct ESP
>>>>>>>> (because only one drive was present), you can plug in the other drives
>>>>>>>> and do "update-grub" whenever you want. Then, it can pick up other
>>>>>>>> OSes to add to the boot menu.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       Paul
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are 2 ssd disks ,x1 120Gb and the other is 240Gb, which has my /home directory on
>>>>>>> I have connected both drives as sda for the 120Gb and sdb for the 240Gb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have any windows disks in the PC case at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I go through the install process I select the 240Gb drive for my /home, and don't select format.
>>>>>>> I then select the 120Gb drive for the / directory, but I  keep getting messages about no efi partition.
>>>>>>> I don't have an efi partition on my original install,. I've checked
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Using "gnome-disks", locate all your ESP partitions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would GRUB be just finding whatever it can, and trying to use it ?
>>>>>> Or is the message about size, because the size of it is zero (does not exist?).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It sounds like it is making choices, and you're not steering the
>>>>>> process enough to knock sense into it :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>    Thanks but what is "gnome-disks", and what are ESP partitions
>>>>>
>>>>> To put my problem another way:
>>>>> Why do i have to have a EFI partition
>>>>> How can LM 21.2 be installed in BIOS legacy mode or what ever it is called.
>>>>> Also is it because I am selecting 'something else' and doing it manually instead of automatically installing LM
>>>>
>>>> Aah, I just know it as 'Disks' and have looked but I don't see any ESP partitions. There is a FAT32 partition on the  boot disk.
>>>
>>> Does this distro, only do GPT disks, or does it still handle MSDOS-era CHS partitioning ?
>>>
>>> It used to be, if you had a UEFI motherboard, and, you had put it in
>>> both UEFI+CSM mode, you booted the Linux install media into the
>>> mode intended for the task. (For a fair number of releases, these
>>> DVDs have been hybrid type, and capable of booting in more than one mode.)
>>>
>>> If you had an empty HDD, you could boot the DVD in UEFI mode (from
>>> the BIOS popup boot menu), and the install would go in UEFI mode,
>>> the disk partitioning of the empty disk would be made GPT, an ESP
>>> would be made for you, a / partition and a swap partition.
>>>
>>> If, on the other hand, you looked in the popup boot, for the non-UEFI
>>> boot option for the DVD, the installation would occur in MSDOS partitioning
>>> mode, and there would be no ESP. ESP did not exist in the old way of
>>> doing things.
>>>
>>> What this scheme does not particularly like, is "challenges". If the
>>> disk is GPT and you boot legacy, or the disk is MSDOS partitioned
>>> and you boot UEFI, I don't know if it can handle that kind of variability.
>>>
>>> It was the booting of the DVD in a "mode" which signaled user intent.
>>>
>>> The user either signaled this was a GPT setup.
>>> Or the user signaled they knew the disk was MSDOS already, and only MSDOS GRUB would work.
>>>
>>> The reason I cannot volunteer more graphical information than that, is
>>> I can't see your disks, nor what OSes are present currently.
>>>
>>> With these, I would boot the DVD in the mode suited to the install.
>>> One disk, I would boot DVD in legacy mode, other disk, boot DVD in UEFI mode, to install.
>>> These disks would NEVER be installed at the same time,
>>> because Paul would be really really confused. They were only
>>> put in the PC at the same time, for pictures at the beach.
>>>
>>>     [Picture]
>>>
>>>      https://i.postimg.cc/0Q1qf4MR/linux-and-friends-at-the-beach.gif
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>
>> I am booting from a 8gb USB stick which has LM 21.2 on
>> As i said, I have set the swap, efi and root partitions on /dev/sda, which is a 120Gb ssd
>> I then set the /home partition on /dev/sdb, which is a 240Gb ssd, but not to format it.
>>
>> Then click install now and as I am entering me details, an error message appears saying
>> it couldn't mount vfat sdb /home, or something similar
>>
>> I read that you could just select /home on a separate disk but not format during the
>> new install process, but it is not working for me.
>>
>> What have I missed.
>
> Mine screwed up too, when I tried it.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/QCQ1RL5T/not-the-right-home-setup.gif
>
> It looks like my second disk and its /dev/sdb1 partition,
> should just have "bullwinkle" directory as the top level.
> Rather than the home/bullwinkle I stupidly assumed.
>
> But it did not complain about the EXT4 formatting of /dev/sdb1 .
>
> Time to cleanup, and retry.
>
> Paul
>

On the second try, it did work. The file system which
just had the "bullwinkle" folder in it, was used as the
home. And listing my Downloads, then had the correct stuff in it.
By using an EXT4 for home, I get journaling (safe on power off),
and I get working permissions and ownership (something VFAT does not have).


Click here to read the complete article
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On 2023-07-28, Rob H <rob@despammer.com> wrote:
> On 28/07/2023 09:29, Rob H wrote:
>> On 28/07/2023 09:03, Rob H wrote:
>>> On 28/07/2023 01:47, Paul wrote:
>>>> On 7/27/2023 5:58 PM, Rob H wrote:
>>>>> On 27/07/2023 21:29, Paul wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/27/2023 3:40 PM, Rob H wrote:
>>>>>>> I am trying to re install LM 21.2 onto another ssd disk,as something
>>>>>>> else but the installation wants me to have an efi partition.
>>>>>>> Otherwise
>>>>>>> grub does notb get installed with a fatal error message to that
>>>>>>> effect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I go back and set an efi partition of 500mb, but then I keep
>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>> messages telling it is too small.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the said ssd is just 120Gb , which is 120053mb. I have tried
>>>>>>> setting the
>>>>>>> efi partition upto 20Gb, which is 2000mb, but still getting the
>>>>>>> same error
>>>>>>> about it being too small.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Help please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly how many disk drives are inside the computer, during
>>>>>> the LM 21.2 installation procedure ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is probably selecting the wrong drive to place GRUB,
>>>>>> and it is measuring the size of that ESP partition on that wrong
>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have only ONE drive in the computer, it is pretty
>>>>>> difficult for the ESP to end up in a place it does not belong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I simplify my setups, when doing installations, making sure
>>>>>> that it is not possible for the software to do "strange things"
>>>>>> to my setup.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *******
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A typical situation, is you have a Windows GPT drive, it has one
>>>>>> of those "tiny" Windows ESP partitions, and of course Linux is
>>>>>> mightily annoyed by the size it finds. All it would take, is
>>>>>> mistaking a Windows drive as the target ESP and you get the error.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Disconnecting the Windows drive in that example, prevents Mint from
>>>>>> even sniffing that drive. Fewer accidents can happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once you are absolutely certain the GRUB info is in the correct ESP
>>>>>> (because only one drive was present), you can plug in the other drives
>>>>>> and do "update-grub" whenever you want. Then, it can pick up other
>>>>>> OSes to add to the boot menu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Paul
>>>>>
>>>>> There are 2 ssd disks ,x1 120Gb and the other is 240Gb, which has my
>>>>> /home directory on
>>>>> I have connected both drives as sda for the 120Gb and sdb for the 240Gb
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have any windows disks in the PC case at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I go through the install process I select the 240Gb drive for
>>>>> my /home, and don't select format.
>>>>> I then select the 120Gb drive for the / directory, but I  keep
>>>>> getting messages about no efi partition.
>>>>> I don't have an efi partition on my original install,. I've checked
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Using "gnome-disks", locate all your ESP partitions.
>>>>
>>>> Would GRUB be just finding whatever it can, and trying to use it ?
>>>> Or is the message about size, because the size of it is zero (does
>>>> not exist?).
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like it is making choices, and you're not steering the
>>>> process enough to knock sense into it :-)
>>>>
>>>>     Paul
>>>>
>>>   Thanks but what is "gnome-disks", and what are ESP partitions
>>>
>>> To put my problem another way:
>>> Why do i have to have a EFI partition
>>> How can LM 21.2 be installed in BIOS legacy mode or what ever it is
>>> called.
>>> Also is it because I am selecting 'something else' and doing it
>>> manually instead of automatically installing LM
>>
>> Aah, I just know it as 'Disks' and have looked but I don't see any ESP
>> partitions. There is a FAT32 partition on the  boot disk.
>
> I managed to get the swap, efi and root partitions set on sda, the 120Gb
> ssd, then I selected the 240Gb , sdb ssd drive for /home. Then clicked
> 'install now' there was an error message saying something about it
> couldn't mount /home on sdb disk.
>
> Just to elaborate, my /home partition has been on a separate drive for a
> few years with all my files there. I don't want to format it or anything
> apart from actually mounting it for the install procedure.
>
> I read that it can be done, so it seems I have missed something??
> How do I get around that.

Off the top of my head. Can you boot Mint off a USB stick and then see if
/dev/sdb can be mounted? Clearly you need to be able to mount /home/user on
/dev/sdb.

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 by: RobH - Sat, 29 Jul 2023 08:22 UTC

On 28/07/2023 22:14, Paul wrote:
> On 7/28/2023 4:13 PM, Paul wrote:
>> On 7/28/2023 8:21 AM, Rob H wrote:
>>> On 28/07/2023 12:41, Paul wrote:
>>>> On 7/28/2023 4:29 AM, Rob H wrote:
>>>>> On 28/07/2023 09:03, Rob H wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/07/2023 01:47, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/27/2023 5:58 PM, Rob H wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 27/07/2023 21:29, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/27/2023 3:40 PM, Rob H wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I am trying to re install LM 21.2 onto another ssd disk,as something
>>>>>>>>>> else but the installation wants me to have an efi partition. Otherwise
>>>>>>>>>> grub does notb get installed with a fatal error message to that effect.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So I go back and set an efi partition of 500mb, but then I keep getting
>>>>>>>>>> messages telling it is too small.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the said ssd is just 120Gb , which is 120053mb. I have tried setting the
>>>>>>>>>> efi partition upto 20Gb, which is 2000mb, but still getting the same error
>>>>>>>>>> about it being too small.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Help please.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Exactly how many disk drives are inside the computer, during
>>>>>>>>> the LM 21.2 installation procedure ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is probably selecting the wrong drive to place GRUB,
>>>>>>>>> and it is measuring the size of that ESP partition on that wrong drive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you have only ONE drive in the computer, it is pretty
>>>>>>>>> difficult for the ESP to end up in a place it does not belong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I simplify my setups, when doing installations, making sure
>>>>>>>>> that it is not possible for the software to do "strange things"
>>>>>>>>> to my setup.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *******
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A typical situation, is you have a Windows GPT drive, it has one
>>>>>>>>> of those "tiny" Windows ESP partitions, and of course Linux is
>>>>>>>>> mightily annoyed by the size it finds. All it would take, is
>>>>>>>>> mistaking a Windows drive as the target ESP and you get the error.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Disconnecting the Windows drive in that example, prevents Mint from
>>>>>>>>> even sniffing that drive. Fewer accidents can happen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Once you are absolutely certain the GRUB info is in the correct ESP
>>>>>>>>> (because only one drive was present), you can plug in the other drives
>>>>>>>>> and do "update-grub" whenever you want. Then, it can pick up other
>>>>>>>>> OSes to add to the boot menu.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       Paul
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are 2 ssd disks ,x1 120Gb and the other is 240Gb, which has my /home directory on
>>>>>>>> I have connected both drives as sda for the 120Gb and sdb for the 240Gb
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have any windows disks in the PC case at all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I go through the install process I select the 240Gb drive for my /home, and don't select format.
>>>>>>>> I then select the 120Gb drive for the / directory, but I  keep getting messages about no efi partition.
>>>>>>>> I don't have an efi partition on my original install,. I've checked
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Using "gnome-disks", locate all your ESP partitions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would GRUB be just finding whatever it can, and trying to use it ?
>>>>>>> Or is the message about size, because the size of it is zero (does not exist?).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It sounds like it is making choices, and you're not steering the
>>>>>>> process enough to knock sense into it :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Paul
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Thanks but what is "gnome-disks", and what are ESP partitions
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To put my problem another way:
>>>>>> Why do i have to have a EFI partition
>>>>>> How can LM 21.2 be installed in BIOS legacy mode or what ever it is called.
>>>>>> Also is it because I am selecting 'something else' and doing it manually instead of automatically installing LM
>>>>>
>>>>> Aah, I just know it as 'Disks' and have looked but I don't see any ESP partitions. There is a FAT32 partition on the  boot disk.
>>>>
>>>> Does this distro, only do GPT disks, or does it still handle MSDOS-era CHS partitioning ?
>>>>
>>>> It used to be, if you had a UEFI motherboard, and, you had put it in
>>>> both UEFI+CSM mode, you booted the Linux install media into the
>>>> mode intended for the task. (For a fair number of releases, these
>>>> DVDs have been hybrid type, and capable of booting in more than one mode.)
>>>>
>>>> If you had an empty HDD, you could boot the DVD in UEFI mode (from
>>>> the BIOS popup boot menu), and the install would go in UEFI mode,
>>>> the disk partitioning of the empty disk would be made GPT, an ESP
>>>> would be made for you, a / partition and a swap partition.
>>>>
>>>> If, on the other hand, you looked in the popup boot, for the non-UEFI
>>>> boot option for the DVD, the installation would occur in MSDOS partitioning
>>>> mode, and there would be no ESP. ESP did not exist in the old way of
>>>> doing things.
>>>>
>>>> What this scheme does not particularly like, is "challenges". If the
>>>> disk is GPT and you boot legacy, or the disk is MSDOS partitioned
>>>> and you boot UEFI, I don't know if it can handle that kind of variability.
>>>>
>>>> It was the booting of the DVD in a "mode" which signaled user intent.
>>>>
>>>> The user either signaled this was a GPT setup.
>>>> Or the user signaled they knew the disk was MSDOS already, and only MSDOS GRUB would work.
>>>>
>>>> The reason I cannot volunteer more graphical information than that, is
>>>> I can't see your disks, nor what OSes are present currently.
>>>>
>>>> With these, I would boot the DVD in the mode suited to the install.
>>>> One disk, I would boot DVD in legacy mode, other disk, boot DVD in UEFI mode, to install.
>>>> These disks would NEVER be installed at the same time,
>>>> because Paul would be really really confused. They were only
>>>> put in the PC at the same time, for pictures at the beach.
>>>>
>>>>     [Picture]
>>>>
>>>>      https://i.postimg.cc/0Q1qf4MR/linux-and-friends-at-the-beach.gif
>>>>
>>>>     Paul
>>>
>>> I am booting from a 8gb USB stick which has LM 21.2 on
>>> As i said, I have set the swap, efi and root partitions on /dev/sda, which is a 120Gb ssd
>>> I then set the /home partition on /dev/sdb, which is a 240Gb ssd, but not to format it.
>>>
>>> Then click install now and as I am entering me details, an error message appears saying
>>> it couldn't mount vfat sdb /home, or something similar
>>>
>>> I read that you could just select /home on a separate disk but not format during the
>>> new install process, but it is not working for me.
>>>
>>> What have I missed.
>>
>> Mine screwed up too, when I tried it.
>>
>> [Picture]
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/QCQ1RL5T/not-the-right-home-setup.gif
>>
>> It looks like my second disk and its /dev/sdb1 partition,
>> should just have "bullwinkle" directory as the top level.
>> Rather than the home/bullwinkle I stupidly assumed.
>>
>> But it did not complain about the EXT4 formatting of /dev/sdb1 .
>>
>> Time to cleanup, and retry.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>
> On the second try, it did work. The file system which
> just had the "bullwinkle" folder in it, was used as the
> home. And listing my Downloads, then had the correct stuff in it.
> By using an EXT4 for home, I get journaling (safe on power off),
> and I get working permissions and ownership (something VFAT does not have).
>
> The History for my shell was there. Neat.
>
> [Picture[
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/zvvrVhSD/test-install-works.gif
>
> Paul
>


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