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+* Re: password no longer works ***More Info***philo
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From: phi...@privacy.net (philo)
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Subject: Re: password no longer works Minor progress
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 08:53:55 -0600
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 by: philo - Sat, 4 Dec 2021 14:53 UTC

On 12/3/21 10:18 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2021-12-03, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>> On 12/3/21 5:35 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>>> On 03/12/2021 23:31, philo wrote:
>>>> On 12/3/21 5:28 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>> On 03/12/2021 20:45, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-12-03, philo <philo@news.novabbs.com> wrote:

<snip>

>
> People use it. It's a built-in security feature. I set firmware
> passwords on all of my Macs (along with using FileVault full disk
> encryption and enabling Find My Mac), which essentially makes them
> completely useless to would-be thieves, as well as preventing anyone
> from accessing the data on them. Highly recommended.

Good idea.

It's settled, she is going to take it to the Apple Store.

The machine is running 10.8

If I had a Mac here that was new enough, I could have put her drive into
it and done the recovery.

I collect vintage machines and all of my Macs are between 12 and 30
years old or so.

I even recently repaired a couple of SEs that had been up in attic for ages.

Got to use floppy drives too!

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From: jollyro...@pobox.com (Jolly Roger)
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 by: Jolly Roger - Sat, 4 Dec 2021 15:15 UTC

On 2021-12-04, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 12/3/21 10:18 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> People use it. It's a built-in security feature. I set firmware
>> passwords on all of my Macs (along with using FileVault full disk
>> encryption and enabling Find My Mac), which essentially makes them
>> completely useless to would-be thieves, as well as preventing anyone
>> from accessing the data on them. Highly recommended.
>
> Good idea.

Find My is especially nice, because it lets you remotely see their
physical location, put them in Lost Mode, display a custom message, and
erase your data.

> It's settled, she is going to take it to the Apple Store.

They'll likely get her up and running again.

> The machine is running 10.8

Any idea what model / year Mac it is?

> If I had a Mac here that was new enough, I could have put her drive
> into it and done the recovery.
>
> I collect vintage machines and all of my Macs are between 12 and 30
> years old or so.
>
> I even recently repaired a couple of SEs that had been up in attic for
> ages.
>
> Got to use floppy drives too!

I have a little collection myself, including a Lisa 2 with Macintosh XL
conversion, ProFile external hard drive, and unused spare parts. I also
still have the first Mac SE/30 we bought (well, my dad did) in the 1990s
which runs fine. Say hi to Zippy:

<http://zippy.kicks-ass.org:9997/>

: )

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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In article <j11evkF6o3lU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>
> > It's settled, she is going to take it to the Apple Store.
>
> They'll likely get her up and running again.

not without proof of ownership. if the company gave her the laptop
without any documentation, which is almost certainly the case, apple is
not going to do anything.

she would need to find someone who used to work at the now defunct
company who might know what the password is. if that fails, flip it for
parts.

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 by: philo - Sat, 4 Dec 2021 16:15 UTC

On 12/4/21 9:15 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2021-12-04, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>> On 12/3/21 10:18 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> People use it. It's a built-in security feature. I set firmware
>>> passwords on all of my Macs (along with using FileVault full disk
>>> encryption and enabling Find My Mac), which essentially makes them
>>> completely useless to would-be thieves, as well as preventing anyone
>>> from accessing the data on them. Highly recommended.
>>
>> Good idea.
>
> Find My is especially nice, because it lets you remotely see their
> physical location, put them in Lost Mode, display a custom message, and
> erase your data.
>
>> It's settled, she is going to take it to the Apple Store.
>
> They'll likely get her up and running again.
>
>> The machine is running 10.8
>
> Any idea what model / year Mac it is?

Model #A1398

>> If I had a Mac here that was new enough, I could have put her drive
>> into it and done the recovery.
>>
>> I collect vintage machines and all of my Macs are between 12 and 30
>> years old or so.
>>
>> I even recently repaired a couple of SEs that had been up in attic for
>> ages.
>>
>> Got to use floppy drives too!
>
> I have a little collection myself, including a Lisa 2 with Macintosh XL
> conversion, ProFile external hard drive, and unused spare parts. I also
> still have the first Mac SE/30 we bought (well, my dad did) in the 1990s
> which runs fine.

Guy here in town is cleaning his attic and may have more stuff for me,
maybe even a G5

Still, nothing new

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 by: nospam - Sat, 4 Dec 2021 16:22 UTC

In article <sog47i$1v3a$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
wrote:

> >
> >> The machine is running 10.8
> >
> > Any idea what model / year Mac it is?
>
> Model #A1398

retina macbook pro 2012-2015.

emc number narrows it down.

given that it's running 10.8, it's either a 2012 or early 2013 model.

late 2013 requires 10.9.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sat, 4 Dec 2021 16:51 UTC

On 2021-12-04, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 12/4/21 9:15 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2021-12-04, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>>> On 12/3/21 10:18 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> People use it. It's a built-in security feature. I set firmware
>>>> passwords on all of my Macs (along with using FileVault full disk
>>>> encryption and enabling Find My Mac), which essentially makes them
>>>> completely useless to would-be thieves, as well as preventing
>>>> anyone from accessing the data on them. Highly recommended.
>>>
>>> Good idea.
>>
>> Find My is especially nice, because it lets you remotely see their
>> physical location, put them in Lost Mode, display a custom message,
>> and erase your data.
>>
>>> It's settled, she is going to take it to the Apple Store.
>>
>> They'll likely get her up and running again.
>>
>>> The machine is running 10.8
>>
>> Any idea what model / year Mac it is?
>
> Model #A1398

That's one of these models:

<https://everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=A1398>

Plug the serial number into the search field here to narrow down the
specific model:

<https://support.apple.com/specs>

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sat, 4 Dec 2021 16:55 UTC

On 2021-12-04, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <j11evkF6o3lU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> > It's settled, she is going to take it to the Apple Store.
>>
>> They'll likely get her up and running again.
>
> not without proof of ownership

That depends on what's actually wrong with it. It's best to just go
there and see what they say after explaining the situation and letting
them look at it. Then she can go from there.

> she would need to find someone who used to work at the now defunct
> company who might know what the password is.

I mean, that's what she should be doing anyway. If it is actually
firmware protected, and someone can tell her the password, she
can remove or change it to whatever she wants and gain full access to
the machine.

> if that fails, flip it for parts

She should save any data she has on that hard drive and erase it first,
but sure.

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 by: philo - Sat, 4 Dec 2021 17:08 UTC

On 12/4/21 10:51 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2021-12-04, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>> On 12/4/21 9:15 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2021-12-04, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>> On 12/3/21 10:18 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> People use it. It's a built-in security feature. I set firmware
>>>>> passwords on all of my Macs (along with using FileVault full disk
>>>>> encryption and enabling Find My Mac), which essentially makes them
>>>>> completely useless to would-be thieves, as well as preventing
>>>>> anyone from accessing the data on them. Highly recommended.
>>>>
>>>> Good idea.
>>>
>>> Find My is especially nice, because it lets you remotely see their
>>> physical location, put them in Lost Mode, display a custom message,
>>> and erase your data.
>>>
>>>> It's settled, she is going to take it to the Apple Store.
>>>
>>> They'll likely get her up and running again.
>>>
>>>> The machine is running 10.8
>>>
>>> Any idea what model / year Mac it is?
>>
>> Model #A1398
>
> That's one of these models:
>
> <https://everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=A1398>
>
> Plug the serial number into the search field here to narrow down the
> specific model:
>
> <https://support.apple.com/specs>
>

I am not concerned with the exact model number..I am still trying to
figure out what she did to change the password.

A month ago I ran into the same situation with a Win10 machine where the
owner was locked out due to a password change.

That one I was able to get going again by activating the built-in
Administrator account.

How can one be so careless with something that important?

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 by: nospam - Sat, 4 Dec 2021 17:28 UTC

In article <j11ksgF7t7aU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> > It's settled, she is going to take it to the Apple Store.
> >>
> >> They'll likely get her up and running again.
> >
> > not without proof of ownership
>
> That depends on what's actually wrong with it. It's best to just go
> there and see what they say after explaining the situation and letting
> them look at it. Then she can go from there.

his description is that it is/was a company-owned laptop with a
firmware password that she does not know.

given that, any invoice or receipt would be with the company, not her.

that is going to be a significant problem unless the company gave her
the original invoice and some form of documentation of a sale/transfer
to her, which is not likely.

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204455>
If you can't remember your firmware password, schedule an in-person
service appointment with an Apple Store or Apple Authorized Service
Provider. Bring your Mac to the appointment, and bring your original
receipt or invoice as proof of purchase.

> > she would need to find someone who used to work at the now defunct
> > company who might know what the password is.
>
> I mean, that's what she should be doing anyway. If it is actually
> firmware protected, and someone can tell her the password, she
> can remove or change it to whatever she wants and gain full access to
> the machine.

yep.

> > if that fails, flip it for parts
>
> She should save any data she has on that hard drive and erase it first,
> but sure.

a firmware password blocks target disk mode, which leaves disassembly.

the ssd would need to be removed and installed into another similar
macbook. it is not m.2 and certainly not sata, making it impossible to
put into a windows pc.

he said it has 10.8, thus it would need to be a 2012 or early 2013 to
boot. it should work in target disk mode in a later model despite
having an earlier and non-bootable system for that hardware.

or, she could just remove it and flip the rest for parts.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sat, 4 Dec 2021 19:36 UTC

On 2021-12-04, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <j11ksgF7t7aU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> It's settled, she is going to take it to the Apple Store.
>>>>
>>>> They'll likely get her up and running again.
>>>
>>> not without proof of ownership
>>
>> That depends on what's actually wrong with it. It's best to just go
>> there and see what they say after explaining the situation and letting
>> them look at it. Then she can go from there.
>
> his description

....leaves a lot to be desired and makes assumptions. It's best to just
bring it to Apple and let them look at it.

>>> if that fails, flip it for parts
>>
>> She should save any data she has on that hard drive and erase it first,
>> but sure.
>
> a firmware password blocks target disk mode, which leaves disassembly.

Yep.

> the ssd would need to be removed and installed into another similar
> macbook.

Or depending on the specific MacBook Pro model, a compatible external
enclosure, like this one:

<https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/MAU3ENVOYPRO/#compatibility>

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 by: nospam - Sat, 4 Dec 2021 20:06 UTC

In article <j11u9jF9nc0U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >>>>> It's settled, she is going to take it to the Apple Store.
> >>>>
> >>>> They'll likely get her up and running again.
> >>>
> >>> not without proof of ownership
> >>
> >> That depends on what's actually wrong with it. It's best to just go
> >> there and see what they say after explaining the situation and letting
> >> them look at it. Then she can go from there.
> >
> > his description
>
> ...leaves a lot to be desired and makes assumptions.

very much so. he keeps adding new information, which changes how to
resolve it.

> It's best to just
> bring it to Apple and let them look at it.

sure, but based on what he's said so far, it's not going to work out
the way he thinks it will.

without documentation that the company sold or gifted it to her, it's
legally not hers and apple won't do anything. if she does have that or
otherwise can somehow convince them, then it might work out.

if there are additional details he hasn't mentioned, then that could
change. we can only go by what he's disclosed.

> >>> if that fails, flip it for parts
> >>
> >> She should save any data she has on that hard drive and erase it first,
> >> but sure.
> >
> > a firmware password blocks target disk mode, which leaves disassembly.
>
> Yep.
>
> > the ssd would need to be removed and installed into another similar
> > macbook.
>
> Or depending on the specific MacBook Pro model, a compatible external
> enclosure, like this one:
>
> <https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/MAU3ENVOYPRO/#compatibility>

true. i forgot about that option.

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 by: philo - Sun, 5 Dec 2021 18:25 UTC

On 12/2/21 8:06 PM, philo wrote:
> A friend brought over her Macbook which she is locked out of. She claims
> she never changed her password and that it happened after she linked it
> to her phone.
> All she can do is log-in as guest.
>
> I found that the machine has a BIOS lock so I cannot perform any of the
> normal reset procedures.
>
> Before I have her take it to the Apple store...anything else I should try?

Since the owner is in no rush and can't even pick it up until after the
holidays, I just thought of something.

In the past, I've reset Apple machines by simply popping the drive into
my Linux machine and deleting /var/db/.AppleSetupDone

I could not do that with this Macbook because the Apple NVMe will not
fit into a PC NVMe slot.

Even if it did, my Linux machine would not accommodate 3.5" NVMe, it
only takes the shorter ones.

Anyone know of an adapter that would work?

Apple NVMe to standard SSD.

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 by: nospam - Sun, 5 Dec 2021 18:44 UTC

In article <soj074$169c$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
wrote:

>
> Since the owner is in no rush and can't even pick it up until after the
> holidays, I just thought of something.
>
> In the past, I've reset Apple machines by simply popping the drive into
> my Linux machine and deleting /var/db/.AppleSetupDone

that won't fix the problem you described, which is obviously not
something you've had in the past. it will also create more problems.

you were told how to resolve it. why are you ignoring that advice?

> I could not do that with this Macbook because the Apple NVMe will not
> fit into a PC NVMe slot.
>
> Even if it did, my Linux machine would not accommodate 3.5" NVMe, it
> only takes the shorter ones.

it's a custom apple ssd that's much faster than the usual m.2 nvme ssds.

> Anyone know of an adapter that would work?

<https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/MAU3ENVOYPRO/>

even with that, it may not be readable in linux, depending on how it's
formatted and in particular, if it's encrypted.

if it has a firmware password, there's a very good chance it's also
encrypted.

if not, you would be able to copy her data and reformat it for its
eventual resale.

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 by: Your Name - Sun, 5 Dec 2021 20:43 UTC

On 2021-12-05 18:25:39 +0000, philo said:

> On 12/2/21 8:06 PM, philo wrote:
>> A friend brought over her Macbook which she is locked out of. She
>> claims she never changed her password and that it happened after she
>> linked it to her phone.
>> All she can do is log-in as guest.
>>
>> I found that the machine has a BIOS lock so I cannot perform any of the
>> normal reset procedures.
>>
>> Before I have her take it to the Apple store...anything else I should try?
>
> Since the owner is in no rush and can't even pick it up until after the
> holidays, I just thought of something.
>
> In the past, I've reset Apple machines by simply popping the drive into
> my Linux machine and deleting /var/db/.AppleSetupDone
>
>
> I could not do that with this Macbook because the Apple NVMe will not
> fit into a PC NVMe slot.
>
> Even if it did, my Linux machine would not accommodate 3.5" NVMe, it
> only takes the shorter ones.
>
>
> Anyone know of an adapter that would work?
>
> Apple NVMe to standard SSD.

In more and more of its devices, Apple has been soldering the drives
(and RAM) to the motherboard as well as making the cases
near-impossible to open, so this isn't likely going to work ... unless
you've got expert electronics soldering skills.

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In article <soj89p$11tm$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> On 2021-12-05 18:25:39 +0000, philo said:
> > I could not do that with this Macbook because the Apple NVMe will not
> > fit into a PC NVMe slot.
> >
> > Even if it did, my Linux machine would not accommodate 3.5" NVMe, it
> > only takes the shorter ones.
> >
> >
> > Anyone know of an adapter that would work?
> >
> > Apple NVMe to standard SSD.
>
> In more and more of its devices, Apple has been soldering the drives
> (and RAM) to the motherboard as well as making the cases
> near-impossible to open,

so have other manufacturers.

> so this isn't likely going to work ... unless
> you've got expert electronics soldering skills.

it's a 2012-13 macbook pro and very easy. he's already opened it and
noted its form factor.

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 by: David Brooks - Sun, 5 Dec 2021 22:53 UTC

On 04/12/2021 04:18, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2021-12-03, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>> On 12/3/21 5:35 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>>> On 03/12/2021 23:31, philo wrote:
>>>> On 12/3/21 5:28 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>> On 03/12/2021 20:45, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-12-03, philo <philo@news.novabbs.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't even boot from an OSX install USB stick due to the BIOS lock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's intentional, as it prevents the machine from being useful to
>>>>>> strangers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She actually did have the BIOS password written down but that too was
>>>>>>> incorrect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please use the correct terminology. It's called a "firmware passcode" -
>>>>>> Macs do not use BIOS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I still don't know why linking her phone to her MacBook would have
>>>>>>> invalidated her p/w.i
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Linking" isn't a term that is typically used, so what she actually did
>>>>>> is anyone's guess.  Syncing her iPhone with her Mac wouldn't change any
>>>>>> passwords. So either she's mistaken, or she's not telling you
>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you recall telling me that the reason I couldn't start in Safe
>>>>> Boot mode was because I had set a firmware password?
>>>>
>>>> I have a pretty good memory but don't recall that one.
>>>
>>> Pssst!
>>>
>>> I was asking Jolly Roger!  ;-)
>>
>> Whew, glad my memory had not failed.
>
> Not sure why David is butting in, as his issue has nothing to do with
> yours.

Apologies, JR. Philo is an on-line chum outwith Usenet.

I asked you because of an issue which cropped up recently on the ASC
forums when someone couldn't start up their Mac in Safe Boot mode.

I wondered if you could confirm that I'd remembered matters correctly,
that's all. It wasn't worthy of starting a new thread.

--
Kind regards,
David

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sun, 5 Dec 2021 22:56 UTC

On 2021-12-05, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
> In more and more of its devices, Apple has been soldering the drives
> (and RAM) to the motherboard as well as making the cases
> near-impossible to open, so this isn't likely going to work ... unless
> you've got expert electronics soldering skills.

Nonsense. MacBook Pro cases can are easily opened with a screwdriver.
And the SSD used in this model is easily removable with a screwdriver as
well, as shown here:

<https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Retina+Display+Mid+2015+SSD+Replacement/48251>

Why do you open your big mouth when you are so consistently wrong? It's
obvious you know next to nothing about modern Apple products, and you
constantly spew misguided disinformation about them. You are like the
annoying little fruit fly buzzing around being a complete nuisance that
everyone wishes would just go away already.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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 by: philo - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 00:10 UTC

..

On 12/5/21 4:56 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

<Troll in killfile snipped>
>
> Nonsense. MacBook Pro cases can are easily opened with a screwdriver.
> And the SSD used in this model is easily removable with a screwdriver as
> well, as shown here:
>
> <https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Retina+Display+Mid+2015+SSD+Replacement/48251>
>
> Why do you open your big mouth when you are so consistently wrong? It's
> obvious you know next to nothing about modern Apple products, and you
> constantly spew misguided disinformation about them. You are like the
> annoying little fruit fly buzzing around being a complete nuisance that
> everyone wishes would just go away already.
>

I now have two nyms in my kf, I suspect the same person.

I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to USB
adapter.

One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new answers...so
if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has
been met by stirring up brain cells

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 by: philo - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 00:11 UTC

On 12/5/21 4:53 PM, David Brooks wrote:
> On 04/12/2021 04:18, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2021-12-03, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>>> On 12/3/21 5:35 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>> O\\\\\

<snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a pretty good memory but don't recall that one.
>>>>
>>>> Pssst!
>>>>
>>>> I was asking Jolly Roger!  ;-)
>>>
>>> Whew, glad my memory had not failed.
>>
>> Not sure why David is butting in, as his issue has nothing to do with
>> yours.
>
> Apologies, JR.  Philo is an on-line chum outwith Usenet.
>
> I asked you because of an issue which cropped up recently on the ASC
> forums when someone couldn't start up their Mac in Safe Boot mode.
>
> I wondered if you could confirm that I'd remembered matters correctly,
> that's all. It wasn't worthy of starting a new thread.
>

Dave, it's always nice talking to you and on Usenet there is no such
thing as butting in...it's open to all.

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 by: David Brooks - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 00:45 UTC

On 06/12/2021 00:11, philo wrote:
> On 12/5/21 4:53 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>> On 04/12/2021 04:18, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2021-12-03, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>> On 12/3/21 5:35 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>> O\\\\\
>
>
>
> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a pretty good memory but don't recall that one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pssst!
>>>>>
>>>>> I was asking Jolly Roger!  ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Whew, glad my memory had not failed.
>>>
>>> Not sure why David is butting in, as his issue has nothing to do with
>>> yours.
>>
>> Apologies, JR.  Philo is an on-line chum outwith Usenet.
>>
>> I asked you because of an issue which cropped up recently on the ASC
>> forums when someone couldn't start up their Mac in Safe Boot mode.
>>
>> I wondered if you could confirm that I'd remembered matters correctly,
>> that's all. It wasn't worthy of starting a new thread.
>>
>
>
> Dave, it's always nice talking to you and on Usenet there is no such
> thing as butting in...it's open to all.

Thanks, Philo - you are one of the nicest people I have ever met on the
Internet! :-D

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 by: Your Name - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 01:38 UTC

On 12/5/21 4:56 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

<Troll in killfile snipped>
>
> Nonsense. MacBook Pro cases can are easily opened with a screwdriver.
> And the SSD used in this model is easily removable with a screwdriver as
> well, as shown here:
>
> <https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Retina+Display+Mid+2015+SSD+Replacement/48251>
>
>
> Why do you open your big mouth when you are so consistently wrong? It's
> obvious you know next to nothing about modern Apple products, and you
> constantly spew misguided disinformation about them. You are like the
> annoying little fruit fly buzzing around being a complete nuisance that
> everyone wishes would just go away already.

Presumably the argumentative village f'wit for brains is replying to my
post and yet again proves his reading comprehension skills are
absolutely non-existant.

Where exactly did I say even remotely say that "none" of Apple devices
were openable or "none" of the drives were removeable?? Oh, that's
right, I didn't. No wonder the idiot is in my killfile. :-\

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 by: nospam - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 01:44 UTC

In article <sojkef$1rci$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
wrote:

> .
>
> I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to USB
> adapter.

what you plan to do is not going to work.

> One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
> end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new answers...so
> if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has
> been met by stirring up brain cells

you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.

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Subject: Re: password no longer works Minor progress
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 by: Jolly Roger - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 02:34 UTC

On 2021-12-05, David Brooks <DavidB@invalid.E-S> wrote:
> On 04/12/2021 04:18, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 12/3/21 5:35 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>> On 12/3/21 5:28 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you recall telling me that the reason I couldn't start in Safe
>>>>>> Boot mode was because I had set a firmware password?
>>>>>
>> Not sure why David is butting in, as his issue has nothing to do with
>> yours.
>
> Apologies, JR. Philo is an on-line chum outwith Usenet.
>
> I asked you because of an issue which cropped up recently on the ASC
> forums when someone couldn't start up their Mac in Safe Boot mode.
>
> I wondered if you could confirm that I'd remembered matters correctly,
> that's all. It wasn't worthy of starting a new thread.

Yep, setting a firmware password prevents Safe Boot as well.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 02:39 UTC

On 2021-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> On 12/5/21 4:56 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
><Troll in killfile snipped>
>>
>> Nonsense. MacBook Pro cases can are easily opened with a screwdriver.
>> And the SSD used in this model is easily removable with a screwdriver
>> as well, as shown here:
>>
>> <https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Retina+Display+Mid+2015+SSD+Replacement/48251>
>> Why do you open your big mouth when you are so consistently wrong?
>> It's obvious you know next to nothing about modern Apple products,
>> and you constantly spew misguided disinformation about them. You are
>> like the annoying little fruit fly buzzing around being a complete
>> nuisance that everyone wishes would just go away already.
>
> Where exactly did I say even remotely say that "none" of Apple devices
> were openable or "none" of the drives were removeable?? Oh, that's
> right, I didn't.

You ended your bullshit post with this gem:

>>> this isn't likely going to work ... unless you've got expert
>>> electronics soldering skills.

It's complete bullshit, and you're not fooling anyone here.

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From: phi...@news.novabbs.com (philo)
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 by: philo - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 04:38 UTC

Good news.

Once I got the drive out , I got the model number and finally got the type.
I found an adaptor.
The machine has an oddball ssd.

It's a 7 x 17 which AFAIK is made for a few specific Mac laptops.

The adapter will take the drive to a standard SATA .

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