On 9/21/2022 11:53 AM, Peter Flass wrote:
> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> Ray <ray@rays-dell.null> writes:
>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>>
>>>> Already? I'd assumed FB has another two or three years before becoming
>>>> obsolete.
>>>
>>> Excuse me jumping in:
>>>
>>> Redundant Faceache? I hope not. My 3 year old Great Granddaughter has
>>> just started messaging me, under the watchful eyes of her mum. :}
>>
>> There will always be email. Don't get a 3yo hooked on social media.
>>
>
> Email??? That’s so 20th century. “You mean I have to type words???? No
> emojis???? Ewww.”

I think you'll find that some email programs can do emojis. At this
point, maybe most of them, if they're web-based. Today's youth, you
know, they've been going to the dogs since Roman times.

On 2022-09-22, bl4ckb0x <bl4ckb0x@no.email> wrote:
> On Aug 31, 2022, ldpshddtti wrote
> (in article <87v8q8vqwc.fsf@acddukoc.gyoa>):
>
>> Is it possible to create a Tor-only text USENET that only peers with
>> other nodes within the Tor network and how "private" can that be for the
>> average person?
>
> Technically possible, for sure; with the recent big push for censorship
> on the web there may even be an audience for it, but TOR has a DARKSIDE.
> If you don't moderate you'll be overrun with CSAM which will drive
> anyone with a soul away.
>
> A popular web-forum dedicated to discussing "lolcows" was recently
> bullied offline. The administrator has found it nearly impossible to
> maintain a presence online. You may be able to capture that community
> and other ones like it, but again, anyone with a need to use TOR usually
> brings a lot of unsavoryness with them.

agreed. Anyway, like any crypto thing, its probably backdoored to hell.
The old sugar trap.
>
> I'd be game to setup INN on a hidden service and peer with you just to
> learn how to, but we'd have to have a serious plan for moderation before
> opening it up to anyone.
>

--
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Fe,Fi, Fo, Fum, I smell the stench of an Influencer.
Where is our money gone, Dude?

On 2022-09-22 06:26, Dave Garland wrote:
> On 9/21/2022 11:53 AM, Peter Flass wrote:
>> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>> Ray  <ray@rays-dell.null> writes:
>>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>>>
>>>>> Already? I'd assumed FB has another two or three years before becoming
>>>>> obsolete.
>>>>
>>>> Excuse me jumping in:
>>>>
>>>> Redundant Faceache? I hope not. My 3 year old Great Granddaughter has
>>>> just started messaging me, under the watchful eyes of her mum. :}
>>>
>>> There will always be email.  Don't get a 3yo hooked on social media.
>>>
>>
>> Email??? That’s so 20th century. “You mean I have to type words???? No
>> emojis???? Ewww.”
>
> I think you'll find that some email programs can do emojis. At this
> point, maybe most of them, if they're web-based. Today's youth, you
> know, they've been going to the dogs since Roman times.

Even Usenet. They are just letters in unicode.

U+1F60x 😀 😁 😂 😃 😄 😅 😆 😇 😈 😉 😊 😋 😌 😍 😎 😏
U+1F61x 😐 😑 😒 😓 😔 😕 😖 😗 😘 😙 😚 😛 😜 😝 😞 😟
U+1F62x 😠 😡 😢 😣 😤 😥 😦 😧 😨 😩 😪 😫 😬 😭 😮 😯
U+1F63x 😰 😱 😲 😳 😴 😵 😶 😷 😸 😹 😺 😻 😼 😽 😾 😿
U+1F64x 🙀 🙁 🙂 🙃 🙄 🙅 🙆 🙇 🙈 🙉 🙊 🙋 🙌 🙍 🙎 🙏
U+1F68x 🚀 🚁 🚂 🚃 🚄 🚅 🚆 🚇 🚈 🚉 🚊 🚋 🚌 🚍 🚎 🚏
U+1F69x 🚐 🚑 🚒 🚓 🚔 🚕 🚖 🚗 🚘 🚙 🚚 🚛 🚜 🚝 🚞 🚟
U+1F6Ax 🚠 🚡 🚢 🚣 🚤 🚥 🚦 🚧 🚨 🚩 🚪 🚫 🚬 🚭 🚮 🚯
U+1F6Bx 🚰 🚱 🚲 🚳 🚴 🚵 🚶 🚷 🚸 🚹 🚺 🚻 🚼 🚽 🚾 🚿

(pasted from https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> On 9/21/2022 11:53 AM, Peter Flass wrote:
>> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>> Ray <ray@rays-dell.null> writes:
>>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>>>
>>>>> Already? I'd assumed FB has another two or three years before becoming
>>>>> obsolete.
>>>>
>>>> Excuse me jumping in:
>>>>
>>>> Redundant Faceache? I hope not. My 3 year old Great Granddaughter has
>>>> just started messaging me, under the watchful eyes of her mum. :}
>>>
>>> There will always be email. Don't get a 3yo hooked on social media.
>>>
>>
>> Email??? That’s so 20th century. “You mean I have to type words???? No
>> emojis???? Ewww.”
>
> I think you'll find that some email programs can do emojis. At this
> point, maybe most of them, if they're web-based. Today's youth, you
> know, they've been going to the dogs since Roman times.
>

There’s a letter from an Egyptian of the First Dynasty complaining about
young people.

--
Pete

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2022-09-22 06:26, Dave Garland wrote:
>> On 9/21/2022 11:53 AM, Peter Flass wrote:
>>> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>>> Ray  <ray@rays-dell.null> writes:
>>>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>> Already? I'd assumed FB has another two or three years before becoming
>>>>>> obsolete.
>>>>>
>>>>> Excuse me jumping in:
>>>>>
>>>>> Redundant Faceache? I hope not. My 3 year old Great Granddaughter has
>>>>> just started messaging me, under the watchful eyes of her mum. :}
>>>>
>>>> There will always be email.  Don't get a 3yo hooked on social media.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Email??? That’s so 20th century. “You mean I have to type words???? No
>>> emojis???? Ewww.”
>>
>> I think you'll find that some email programs can do emojis. At this
>> point, maybe most of them, if they're web-based. Today's youth, you
>> know, they've been going to the dogs since Roman times.
>
> Even Usenet. They are just letters in unicode.
>
>
> U+1F60x 😀 😁 😂 😃 😄 😅 😆 😇 😈 😉 😊 😋 😌 😍 😎 😏
> U+1F61x 😐 😑 😒 😓 😔 😕 😖 😗 😘 😙 😚 😛 😜 😝 😞 😟
> U+1F62x 😠 😡 😢 😣 😤 😥 😦 😧 😨 😩 😪 😫 😬 😭 😮 😯
> U+1F63x 😰 😱 😲 😳 😴 😵 😶 😷 😸 😹 😺 😻 😼 😽 😾 😿
> U+1F64x 🙀 🙁 🙂 🙃 🙄 🙅 🙆 🙇 🙈 🙉 🙊 🙋 🙌 🙍 🙎 🙏
> U+1F68x 🚀 🚁 🚂 🚃 🚄 🚅 🚆 🚇 🚈 🚉 🚊 🚋 🚌 🚍 🚎 🚏
> U+1F69x 🚐 🚑 🚒 🚓 🚔 🚕 🚖 🚗 🚘 🚙 🚚 🚛 🚜 🚝 🚞 🚟
> U+1F6Ax 🚠 🚡 🚢 🚣 🚤 🚥 🚦 🚧 🚨 🚩 🚪 🚫 🚬 🚭 🚮 🚯
> U+1F6Bx 🚰 🚱 🚲 🚳 🚴 🚵 🚶 🚷 🚸 🚹 🚺 🚻 🚼 🚽 🚾 🚿
>
> (pasted from https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji)
>

Anyone who starts using them here will be quickly killfiled.

--
Pete

Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> schrieb:

> There’s a letter from an Egyptian of the First Dynasty complaining about
> young people.

Do you have a reference?

It should be at least as well-known as Nanni's complaint to Ea-nasir.

On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 05:38:28 -0700
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> There’s a letter from an Egyptian of the First Dynasty complaining about
> young people.

There were probably cave paintings depicting the problem of
yooferterday.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
>On 2022-09-22 06:26, Dave Garland wrote:
>> On 9/21/2022 11:53 AM, Peter Flass wrote:
>>> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>>> Ray  <ray@rays-dell.null> writes:
>>>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>> Already? I'd assumed FB has another two or three years before becoming
>>>>>> obsolete.
>>>>>
>>>>> Excuse me jumping in:
>>>>>
>>>>> Redundant Faceache? I hope not. My 3 year old Great Granddaughter has
>>>>> just started messaging me, under the watchful eyes of her mum. :}
>>>>
>>>> There will always be email.  Don't get a 3yo hooked on social media.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Email??? That’s so 20th century. “You mean I have to type words???? No
>>> emojis???? Ewww.”
>>
>> I think you'll find that some email programs can do emojis. At this
>> point, maybe most of them, if they're web-based. Today's youth, you
>> know, they've been going to the dogs since Roman times.
>
>Even Usenet. They are just letters in unicode.
>
>
>U+1F60x 😀 😁 😂 😃 😄 😅 😆 😇 😈 😉 😊 😋 😌 😍 😎 😏
>U+1F61x 😐 😑 😒 😓 😔 😕 😖 😗 😘 😙 😚 😛 😜 😝 😞 😟
>U+1F62x 😠 😡 😢 😣 😤 😥 😦 😧 😨 😩 😪 😫 😬 😭 😮 😯
>U+1F63x 😰 😱 😲 😳 😴 😵 😶 😷 😸 😹 😺 😻 😼 😽 😾 😿
>U+1F64x 🙀 🙁 🙂 🙃 🙄 🙅 🙆 🙇 🙈 🙉 🙊 🙋 🙌 🙍 🙎 🙏
>U+1F68x 🚀 🚁 🚂 🚃 🚄 🚅 🚆 🚇 🚈 🚉 🚊 🚋 🚌 🚍 🚎 🚏
>U+1F69x 🚐 🚑 🚒 🚓 🚔 🚕 🚖 🚗 🚘 🚙 🚚 🚛 🚜 🚝 🚞 🚟
>U+1F6Ax 🚠 🚡 🚢 🚣 🚤 🚥 🚦 🚧 🚨 🚩 🚪 🚫 🚬 🚭 🚮 🚯
>U+1F6Bx 🚰 🚱 🚲 🚳 🚴 🚵 🚶 🚷 🚸 🚹 🚺 🚻 🚼 🚽 🚾 🚿
>
>(pasted from https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji)

:-)

On 2022-09-22, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> On 2022-09-22 06:26, Dave Garland wrote:
>
>> I think you'll find that some email programs can do emojis. At this
>> point, maybe most of them, if they're web-based. Today's youth, you
>> know, they've been going to the dogs since Roman times.
>
> Even Usenet. They are just letters in unicode.
>
> U+1F60x 😀 😁 😂 😃 😄 😅 😆 😇 😈 😉 😊 😋 😌 😍 😎 😏
> U+1F61x 😐 😑 😒 😓 😔 😕 😖 😗 😘 😙 😚 😛 😜 😝 😞 😟
> U+1F62x 😠 😡 😢 😣 😤 😥 😦 😧 😨 😩 😪 😫 😬 😭 😮 😯
> U+1F63x 😰 😱 😲 😳 😴 😵 😶 😷 😸 😹 😺 😻 😼 😽 😾 😿
> U+1F64x 🙀 🙁 🙂 🙃 🙄 🙅 🙆 🙇 🙈 🙉 🙊 🙋 🙌 🙍 🙎 🙏
> U+1F68x 🚀 🚁 🚂 🚃 🚄 🚅 🚆 🚇 🚈 🚉 🚊 🚋 🚌 🚍 🚎 🚏
> U+1F69x 🚐 🚑 🚒 🚓 🚔 🚕 🚖 🚗 🚘 🚙 🚚 🚛 🚜 🚝 🚞 🚟
> U+1F6Ax 🚠 🚡 🚢 🚣 🚤 🚥 🚦 🚧 🚨 🚩 🚪 🚫 🚬 🚭 🚮 🚯
> U+1F6Bx 🚰 🚱 🚲 🚳 🚴 🚵 🚶 🚷 🚸 🚹 🚺 🚻 🚼 🚽 🚾 🚿
>
> (pasted from https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji)

Wow. Even my copy of slrn displays them all.

I see them in Thunderbird from time to time. Not too often,
fortunately, since I tend to not exchange e-mail with the kind
of people who use them.

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On 2022-09-22 19:30, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2022-09-22, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-09-22 06:26, Dave Garland wrote:
>>
>>> I think you'll find that some email programs can do emojis. At this
>>> point, maybe most of them, if they're web-based. Today's youth, you
>>> know, they've been going to the dogs since Roman times.
>>
>> Even Usenet. They are just letters in unicode.
>>
>> U+1F60x 😀 😁 😂 😃 😄 😅 😆 😇 😈 😉 😊 😋 😌 😍 😎 😏
...
>> (pasted from https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji)
>
> Wow. Even my copy of slrn displays them all.

Yes, that's because the terminal was been improved to handle unicode,
then the text software tools. Even tools that can not display it can
handle it somewhat, as long as they don't do alterations. Not all tools
can edit them.

>
> I see them in Thunderbird from time to time. Not too often,
> fortunately, since I tend to not exchange e-mail with the kind
> of people who use them.

I have seen some used in the subject header, specially in commercial mail.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2022-09-22 15:04, Thomas Koenig wrote:
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> schrieb:
>
>> There’s a letter from an Egyptian of the First Dynasty complaining about
>> young people.
>
> Do you have a reference?
>
> It should be at least as well-known as Nanni's complaint to Ea-nasir.

Google finds it :-D

<https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=letter+from+an+Egyptian+of+the+First+Dynasty+complaining+about+young+people.>

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 9/22/2022 11:24 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2022-09-22 15:04, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> schrieb:
>>
>>> There’s a letter from an Egyptian of the First Dynasty complaining about
>>> young people.
>>
>> Do you have a reference?
>>
>> It should be at least as well-known as Nanni's complaint to Ea-nasir.
>
>
> Google finds it :-D
>
> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=letter+from+an+Egyptian+of+the+First+Dynasty+complaining+about+young+people.>
>
>
>

Here is an example of a pre-modern human complaining about young people:

SMACK!!!

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> schrieb:
> On 2022-09-22 15:04, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> schrieb:
>>
>>> There’s a letter from an Egyptian of the First Dynasty complaining about
>>> young people.
>>
>> Do you have a reference?
>>
>> It should be at least as well-known as Nanni's complaint to Ea-nasir.
>
>
> Google finds it :-D
>
><https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=letter+from+an+Egyptian+of+the+First+Dynasty+complaining+about+young+people.>

Actually, it does not, at least not for me.

Can you provide a pointer to what it is supposed to have found?

On 2022-09-22 21:01, Thomas Koenig wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> schrieb:
>> On 2022-09-22 15:04, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> schrieb:
>>>
>>>> There’s a letter from an Egyptian of the First Dynasty complaining about
>>>> young people.
>>>
>>> Do you have a reference?
>>>
>>> It should be at least as well-known as Nanni's complaint to Ea-nasir.
>>
>>
>> Google finds it :-D
>>
>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=letter+from+an+Egyptian+of+the+First+Dynasty+complaining+about+young+people.>
>
> Actually, it does not, at least not for me.
>
> Can you provide a pointer to what it is supposed to have found?

The oldest known complaint letter - Dr Karl - ABC
https://www.abc.net.au › 2015/03/24
Traducir esta página
24 mar 2015 — Our complaint letter comes from the Middle Bronze Age —
and right in the middle of this Middle Bronze Age was the First
Babylonian Dynasty, ...
Falta(n): young ‎| Debe incluir lo siguiente: young

https://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2015/03/24/4200708.htm

What is the oldest authentic example of people complaining ...
https://history.stackexchange.com › ...
Traducir esta página
“[Young people] are high-minded because they have not yet been humbled
by life, nor have they experienced the force of circumstances. ... They
think they know ...
5 respuestas
· 27 votos: 600 - 300 BC The counts of the indictment are luxury,
bad manners, contempt for authority, ...

https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/28169/what-is-the-oldest-authentic-example-of-people-complaining-about-modern-times-an

6000 year old ancient Egyptian quote about kids being brats?
https://www.quora.com › Is-there-really-a-6000-year-ol...
There might be a more recent Egyptian inscription or papyrus that
complains about badly behaved young people, though. The 'Chaldean' quote
is also too old ...
2 respuestas
· 17 votos: If the 'Egyptian inscription' cited were 6,000 years
old, it would date from 4,000 BC. There ...

https://www.quora.com/Is-there-really-a-6000-year-old-ancient-Egyptian-quote-about-kids-being-brats

The third entry is very interesting ;-)

It seems to talk about this one:
<https://www.theguardian.com/education/2009/mar/17/ephebiphobia-young-people-mosquito>

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> schrieb:
> On 2022-09-22 21:01, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> schrieb:
>>> On 2022-09-22 15:04, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> schrieb:
>>>>
>>>>> There’s a letter from an Egyptian of the First Dynasty complaining about
>>>>> young people.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have a reference?
>>>>
>>>> It should be at least as well-known as Nanni's complaint to Ea-nasir.
>>>
>>>
>>> Google finds it :-D
>>>
>>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=letter+from+an+Egyptian+of+the+First+Dynasty+complaining+about+young+people.>
>>
>> Actually, it does not, at least not for me.
>>
>> Can you provide a pointer to what it is supposed to have found?
>
>
> The oldest known complaint letter - Dr Karl - ABC
> https://www.abc.net.au › 2015/03/24
> Traducir esta página
> 24 mar 2015 — Our complaint letter comes from the Middle Bronze Age —
> and right in the middle of this Middle Bronze Age was the First
> Babylonian Dynasty, ...
> Falta(n): young ‎| Debe incluir lo siguiente: young

> https://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2015/03/24/4200708.htm

That's Ea-nasir (whcih I quotd upstream).

> What is the oldest authentic example of people complaining ...
> https://history.stackexchange.com › ...
> Traducir esta página
> “[Young people] are high-minded because they have not yet been humbled
> by life, nor have they experienced the force of circumstances. ... They
> think they know ...
> 5 respuestas
> · 27 votos: 600 - 300 BC The counts of the indictment are luxury,
> bad manners, contempt for authority, ...
>
> https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/28169/what-is-the-oldest-authentic-example-of-people-complaining-about-modern-times-an

So, certainly BC, but far from 6000 years ago, more like 2600.
>
>
>
> 6000 year old ancient Egyptian quote about kids being brats?
> https://www.quora.com › Is-there-really-a-6000-year-ol...
> There might be a more recent Egyptian inscription or papyrus that
> complains about badly behaved young people, though. The 'Chaldean' quote
> is also too old ...
> 2 respuestas
> · 17 votos: If the 'Egyptian inscription' cited were 6,000 years
> old, it would date from 4,000 BC. There ...
>
> https://www.quora.com/Is-there-really-a-6000-year-old-ancient-Egyptian-quote-about-kids-being-brats
>
>
> The third entry is very interesting ;-)
>
> It seems to talk about this one:
><https://www.theguardian.com/education/2009/mar/17/ephebiphobia-young-people-mosquito>

Which has been debunked. It says "6000 years old", which is
clearly bogus, Egyptian writing had not been developed then.
"First Dynasty" is also incorrect, the first full sentence found
(a seal impression) is from the Second Dynasty.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_hieroglyphs#Origin .

Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:

> On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 15:25:06 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>>
>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 00:48:55 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:
>>>>
>>>> According to Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>:
>>>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 16:50:07 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem is finding people who want to use it. As far as we know, all
>>>>>> efforts to date have failed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Implement a bidirectional link to arsebook - but that might have
>>>>> undesirable results.
>>>>
>>>> I think you will find that anyone who wants to use Facebook will use Facebook.
>>>
>>> Some say, that the social platform hype levels out around 2025. Then
>>> people might look for something else (not so social).
>>>
>>> I mean, who uses Myspace today anymore? ;-)
>>
>> Apparently Facebook is now passe’ among the youngs. Now they want Instagram
>> or something else, and leave FB to their grandparents.
>
> Already? I'd assumed FB has another two or three years before becoming
> obsolete.

I think social media websites in the past few years have been slowly
moving towards a more streamlined and "viral-focused" platforms. I mean,
just look at tiktok and how it's just an endless stream of autoplaying
videos.

--
Pointless meanderings in a bleak and lonely world.

scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:

> Ray <ray@rays-dell.null> writes:
>>Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>
>>> Already? I'd assumed FB has another two or three years before becoming
>>> obsolete.
>>
>>Excuse me jumping in:
>>
>>Redundant Faceache? I hope not. My 3 year old Great Granddaughter has
>>just started messaging me, under the watchful eyes of her mum. :}
>
> There will always be email. Don't get a 3yo hooked on social media.

I agree. It's better to not expose your children to social media at
all. It's just not worth it and you don't even know what they're seeing
there. For example, Twitter has a lot of uncensored pornographic content
that would show up even on new accounts as "Featured Content."

--
Pointless meanderings in a bleak and lonely world.

On 2022-09-23 06:39, Thomas Koenig wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> schrieb:
>> On 2022-09-22 21:01, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> schrieb:
>>>> On 2022-09-22 15:04, Thomas Koenig wrote:
>>>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> schrieb:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There’s a letter from an Egyptian of the First Dynasty complaining about
>>>>>> young people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have a reference?
>>>>>
>>>>> It should be at least as well-known as Nanni's complaint to Ea-nasir.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Google finds it :-D
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=letter+from+an+Egyptian+of+the+First+Dynasty+complaining+about+young+people.>
>>>
>>> Actually, it does not, at least not for me.
>>>
>>> Can you provide a pointer to what it is supposed to have found?
>>
>>
>> The oldest known complaint letter - Dr Karl - ABC
>> https://www.abc.net.au › 2015/03/24
>> Traducir esta página
>> 24 mar 2015 — Our complaint letter comes from the Middle Bronze Age —
>> and right in the middle of this Middle Bronze Age was the First
>> Babylonian Dynasty, ...
>> Falta(n): young ‎| Debe incluir lo siguiente: young
>
>> https://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2015/03/24/4200708.htm
>
> That's Ea-nasir (whcih I quotd upstream).
>
>> What is the oldest authentic example of people complaining ...
>> https://history.stackexchange.com › ...
>> Traducir esta página
>> “[Young people] are high-minded because they have not yet been humbled
>> by life, nor have they experienced the force of circumstances. ... They
>> think they know ...
>> 5 respuestas
>> · 27 votos: 600 - 300 BC The counts of the indictment are luxury,
>> bad manners, contempt for authority, ...
>>
>> https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/28169/what-is-the-oldest-authentic-example-of-people-complaining-about-modern-times-an
>
> So, certainly BC, but far from 6000 years ago, more like 2600.
>>
>>
>>
>> 6000 year old ancient Egyptian quote about kids being brats?
>> https://www.quora.com › Is-there-really-a-6000-year-ol...
>> There might be a more recent Egyptian inscription or papyrus that
>> complains about badly behaved young people, though. The 'Chaldean' quote
>> is also too old ...
>> 2 respuestas
>> · 17 votos: If the 'Egyptian inscription' cited were 6,000 years
>> old, it would date from 4,000 BC. There ...
>>
>> https://www.quora.com/Is-there-really-a-6000-year-old-ancient-Egyptian-quote-about-kids-being-brats
>>
>>
>> The third entry is very interesting ;-)
>>
>> It seems to talk about this one:
>> <https://www.theguardian.com/education/2009/mar/17/ephebiphobia-young-people-mosquito>
>
> Which has been debunked.

Which is what the Quora link says, precisely ;-)

> It says "6000 years old", which is
> clearly bogus, Egyptian writing had not been developed then.
> "First Dynasty" is also incorrect, the first full sentence found
> (a seal impression) is from the Second Dynasty.
>
> See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_hieroglyphs#Origin .

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On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 13:56:34 +0800
5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:

> I agree. It's better to not expose your children to social media at

Certainly not at a young age but ...

> all. It's just not worth it and you don't even know what they're seeing

Also don't hide it from them when they start to look around and
create the allure of forbidden fruit - I got into all sorts of questionable
places following that allure to find out about things my parents tried to
pretend didn't exist.

> there. For example, Twitter has a lot of uncensored pornographic content
> that would show up even on new accounts as "Featured Content."

At an appropriate age (not 3 unless they're incredibly precocious
in which case get professional help you'll need it before they're 6) show
it to them and discuss it - they're going to find it anyway (and probably
already have), it's better talked about openly with you than in the school
playground or behind the bikesheds.

Many years ago while tourist watching in Amsterdam's RLD (the
tourists are way more entertaining than the attractions) I saw a father
taking his son (about ten or eleven) for a tour and talking about what was
going on and why (I caught a bit about men with no wives and away from
home wanting company), they stopped for a while outside the window display
of a sex shop which was probably an interesting conversation.

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On 2022-09-23, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 13:56:34 +0800
> 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>
> home wanting company), they stopped for a while outside the window display
> of a sex shop which was probably an interesting conversation.
>

I would regard bringing children to those places as being at least
unwise. One couple took away a child's smartphone and sent him to his
room, and found him later hanging. It has to be handled carefully.

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On 23 Sep 2022 13:27:01 GMT
maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:

> On 2022-09-23, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> > On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 13:56:34 +0800
> > 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > home wanting company), they stopped for a while outside the window
> > display of a sex shop which was probably an interesting conversation.
> >
>
> I would regard bringing children to those places as being at least
> unwise.

When they start asking questions and are old enough to comprehend
the answers honesty and completeness are the best policies IMHO.

> One couple took away a child's smartphone and sent him to his
> room, and found him later hanging. It has to be handled carefully.

Yep that's the kind of thing that happens when you exert control
without understanding. Tragic.

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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:

> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 13:56:34 +0800
> 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I agree. It's better to not expose your children to social media at
>
> Certainly not at a young age but ...
>
>> all. It's just not worth it and you don't even know what they're seeing
>
> Also don't hide it from them when they start to look around and
> create the allure of forbidden fruit - I got into all sorts of questionable
> places following that allure to find out about things my parents tried to
> pretend didn't exist.
>

I agree. I think that a good way to deter people from going deep with
these things is to demystify them. Alcohol and tobacco, for example, are
things that are easy to deter kids from if you've talked to them about
it. But it's always a careful balance when you actually introduce these
kinds of things. I think creating an open air in the home where your
kids can ask about things they're curious about is a good thing.

>> there. For example, Twitter has a lot of uncensored pornographic content
>> that would show up even on new accounts as "Featured Content."
>
> At an appropriate age (not 3 unless they're incredibly precocious
> in which case get professional help you'll need it before they're 6) show
> it to them and discuss it - they're going to find it anyway (and probably
> already have), it's better talked about openly with you than in the school
> playground or behind the bikesheds.
>

I think it's better to let the kids ask you about it rather than
bringing it up on them out of the blue. It also really depends on their
age when they asked about it. I would explain sex differently to a 6-9
year old child than to a 13-15 year old kid, for example.

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5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 15:25:06 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>
>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 00:48:55 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> According to Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>:
>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 16:50:07 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem is finding people who want to use it. As far as we know, all
>>>>>>> efforts to date have failed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Implement a bidirectional link to arsebook - but that might have
>>>>>> undesirable results.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you will find that anyone who wants to use Facebook will use Facebook.
>>>>
>>>> Some say, that the social platform hype levels out around 2025. Then
>>>> people might look for something else (not so social).
>>>>
>>>> I mean, who uses Myspace today anymore? ;-)
>>>
>>> Apparently Facebook is now passe’ among the youngs. Now they want Instagram
>>> or something else, and leave FB to their grandparents.
>>
>> Already? I'd assumed FB has another two or three years before becoming
>> obsolete.
>
> I think social media websites in the past few years have been slowly
> moving towards a more streamlined and "viral-focused" platforms. I mean,
> just look at tiktok and how it's just an endless stream of autoplaying
> videos.
>

Instead of what it was before?

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On 2022-09-23, 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 13:56:34 +0800
>> 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree. It's better to not expose your children to social media at
>>
>> Certainly not at a young age but ...
>>
>>> all. It's just not worth it and you don't even know what they're seeing
>>
>
Another good reason for avoiding Twitter.

>
>> At an appropriate age (not 3 unless they're incredibly precocious
>> in which case get professional help you'll need it before they're 6) show
>> it to them and discuss it - they're going to find it anyway (and probably
>> already have), it's better talked about openly with you than in the school
>> playground or behind the bikesheds.

I remember a thing on `South Park' when a father was explaining to his
children why a lady was being entered by two men.

One thing that the Internet has proved to the world. Give people enough
money, and they will do the most disgusting things.

Against that, I have memories of a clergyman screaming to a
congregation,

``How would you explain to God if you died while looking at a page of a
dirty English Newspaper.''
>>
>
> I think it's better to let the kids ask you about it rather than
> bringing it up on them out of the blue. It also really depends on their
> age when they asked about it. I would explain sex differently to a 6-9
> year old child than to a 13-15 year old kid, for example.
>
Almost as hard a subject as trying to teach them how to drive. Perhaps
the best answer for both is to get a Professional to do the teaching :)

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Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:

> 5GyYap52yQ1UGMWD <ehj46PkBWfBAng9C@VW28LtWn6wknpUMV.invalid> wrote:
>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>>>
>>> Already? I'd assumed FB has another two or three years before becoming
>>> obsolete.
>>
>> I think social media websites in the past few years have been slowly
>> moving towards a more streamlined and "viral-focused" platforms. I mean,
>> just look at tiktok and how it's just an endless stream of autoplaying
>> videos.
>>
>
> Instead of what it was before?

What do you mean? I think social media websites between 2009 and 2013
are more benign than what they are today. Now, it's just designed to
induce a massive flame war about whatever trending topic between two
extremely polarized sides.

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