On 06/12/2021 02:34, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2021-12-05, David Brooks <DavidB@invalid.E-S> wrote:
>> On 04/12/2021 04:18, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 12/3/21 5:35 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/3/21 5:28 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you recall telling me that the reason I couldn't start in Safe
>>>>>>> Boot mode was because I had set a firmware password?
>>>>>>
>>> Not sure why David is butting in, as his issue has nothing to do with
>>> yours.
>>
>> Apologies, JR. Philo is an on-line chum outwith Usenet.
>>
>> I asked you because of an issue which cropped up recently on the ASC
>> forums when someone couldn't start up their Mac in Safe Boot mode.
>>
>> I wondered if you could confirm that I'd remembered matters correctly,
>> that's all. It wasn't worthy of starting a new thread.
>
> Yep, setting a firmware password prevents Safe Boot as well.

Thank you! :-D

On 06/12/2021 04:38, philo wrote:
> Good news.
>
> Once I got the drive out , I got the model number and finally got the type.
> I found an adaptor.
> The machine has an oddball ssd.
>
> It's a 7 x 17 which AFAIK is made for a few specific Mac laptops.
>
> The adapter will take the drive to a standard SATA .

Good luck, Philo! :-)

On 06/12/2021 01:44, nospam wrote:
> In article <sojkef$1rci$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>> .
>>
>> I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to USB
>> adapter.
>
> what you plan to do is not going to work.
>
>> One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
>> end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new answers...so
>> if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has
>> been met by stirring up brain cells
>
> you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.

Why are you so VERY rude to people here. 'no spam'?

Philo has probably forgotten more about computing that you have ever
learned. He's a good man.

My friend told me not to put this much effort into it...so I had to convince her this is fun for me.
I miss the days before everyone had smartphones...I often had three machines on the bench at a time.

In addition to computers, I also work on vacuum tube radios.

When I have both a radio & computer on my bench at the same time, there is not too great of a chance that I'll get the parts mixed up.

In article <soksb6$85s$3@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>, David Brooks
<DavidB@invalid.E-S> wrote:

> >> I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to USB
> >> adapter.
> >
> > what you plan to do is not going to work.
> >
> >> One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
> >> end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new answers...so
> >> if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has
> >> been met by stirring up brain cells
> >
> > you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.
>
>
> Why are you so VERY rude to people here. 'no spam'?

i'm not the one who is being rude.

he claims to have a mac with a forgotten password and was told how to
resolve it by those who have had 30+ years using macs.

initially it was just the admin password, but he later changed the
story to be a firmware password, as he continually moved the goalposts
so that he could claim the original answers were wrong (not the first
time he's done that).

he rudely rejected all of the advice given and thinks he can come up
with a solution on his own. he cannot.

by his own admission, he doesn't know what he's doing.

there are only two solutions, both of which have been discussed.

there are *no* other options to remove a firmware password, which is
what makes a firmware password secure.

his plan to remove a single file on the ssd to reset the firmware
password is not only guaranteed to fail, but it's also absurd. it's a
*firmware* password, which is not stored on a user-writeable file
system.

there would be very little reason to use a firmware password if it
could be easily reset.

in fact, on recent macs (not the one he has), it's possible to disable
the ability for apple to reset the firmware password entirely, which
means if it's forgotten, the logic board is completely useless. this
setting is optional and warns the user of the risks before activating
it. it does not apply in his situation, but i mention it to show just
how secure firmware passwords can be.

he also plans to remove the file using a linux box, which has limited
support for mac file systems, and if he corrupts the ssd in the process
(a non-zero risk), things are going to be much worse.

he is going to use an adapter he bought online, which may or may not
work. some of them are junk.

removing the file he said he wants to remove will cause the setup
process to be re-run, which will then create a brand new empty user
account, without any of her files. this is also bad.

he is experimenting with someone else's computer.

hopefully she is not paying him anything. that would be criminal. he
should be paying her.

not only is he (and you) being rude to those here who are legitimately
trying to help, despite his story continually changing, but he is also
being rude to the person who brought him the macbook.

> Philo has probably forgotten more about computing that you have ever
> learned.

nonsense. he knows next to nothing about macs. nor do you for that
matter.

in another recent thread, he insisted a drive pulled from a mac se was
mfs which is not possible. he made numerous incorrect claims about mac
file systems even after multiple links to apple's knowledgebase proved
him wrong. he claimed to have found some secret link that claims there
are two versions of hfs. not surprisingly, he kept it a secret, because
it doesn't exist.

he asks questions, then changes the story so that he can claim the
original answers were wrong. it's a pattern i've noticed over the
years. it appears to be intentional.

> He's a good man.

no he isn't, nor are you.

On 06/12/2021 02:34, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2021-12-05, David Brooks <DavidB@invalid.E-S> wrote:
>> On 04/12/2021 04:18, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 12/3/21 5:35 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/3/21 5:28 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you recall telling me that the reason I couldn't start in Safe
>>>>>>> Boot mode was because I had set a firmware password?
>>>>>>
>>> Not sure why David is butting in, as his issue has nothing to do with
>>> yours.
>>
>> Apologies, JR. Philo is an on-line chum outwith Usenet.
>>
>> I asked you because of an issue which cropped up recently on the ASC
>> forums when someone couldn't start up their Mac in Safe Boot mode.
>>
>> I wondered if you could confirm that I'd remembered matters correctly,
>> that's all. It wasn't worthy of starting a new thread.
>
> Yep, setting a firmware password prevents Safe Boot as well.

JR - you may like to take a look a the thread where I tried to help.

https://origin-discussions-us.apple.com/thread/253382887

(It took me a while to find it!)

My post has been removed - the 'advisers' there disagreed with our (your
and my!) understanding that a firmware password prevents booting into
Safe Boot mode.

Perhaps YOU would like to mention the point there and see how well
/your/ comment is taken?

I would appreciate that, if you can find a few minutes to ask.

Thanks if you will.

--
David

In article <solgat$2om$1@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>, David Brooks
<DavidB@invalid.E-S> wrote:

>
> My post has been removed

because you are a troll.

> - the 'advisers' there disagreed with our (your
> and my!) understanding that a firmware password prevents booting into
> Safe Boot mode.

the thread you linked has nothing to do with firmware passwords.

you probably babbled about malware again.

On 06/12/2021 17:36, nospam wrote:
> In article <solgat$2om$1@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>, David Brooks
> <DavidB@invalid.E-S> wrote:
>
>>
>> My post has been removed
>
> because you are a troll.

You make it sound as if I'm qualified at last! :-D

>> - the 'advisers' there disagreed with our (your
>> and my!) understanding that a firmware password prevents booting into
>> Safe Boot mode.
>
> the thread you linked has nothing to do with firmware passwords.
>
> you probably babbled about malware again.

The posts relating to being unable to start in Safe Boot mode have ALSO
been removed.

The 'moderators' are manipulating questions and answers on the ASC forums.

For how long have you been aware that people may 'log on' to the ASC
forums without using their correct Apple ID? - i.e. the one showing on
their iPhone, iPad and Apple computer?

In article <solkec$1ln$1@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>, David Brooks
<DavidB@invalid.E-S> wrote:

>
> The 'moderators' are manipulating questions and answers on the ASC forums.

nope. what they're doing is banning dumbfuck trolls, namely you, who is
repeatedly banned each time you try to sign up and use a different
name.

On 06/12/2021 18:25, nospam wrote:
> In article <solkec$1ln$1@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>, David Brooks
> <DavidB@invalid.E-S> wrote:
>
>>
>> The 'moderators' are manipulating questions and answers on the ASC forums.
>
> nope. what they're doing is banning dumbfuck trolls, namely you, who is
> repeatedly banned each time you try to sign up and use a different
> name.

How could you POSSIBLY know that?

On 06/12/2021 18:25, nospam wrote:
> In article <solkec$1ln$1@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>, David Brooks
> <DavidB@invalid.E-S> wrote:
>
>>
>> The 'moderators' are manipulating questions and answers on the ASC forums.
>
> nope. what they're doing is banning dumbfuck trolls, namely you, who is
> repeatedly banned each time you try to sign up and use a different
> name.

The question you failed to answer:-

//For how long have you been aware that people may 'log on' to the ASC
forums without using their correct Apple ID? - i.e. the one showing on
their iPhone, iPad and Apple computer?//

On 2021-12-06, philo <philo@news.novabbs.com> wrote:
> Good news.
>
> Once I got the drive out , I got the model number and finally got the
> type. I found an adaptor.

Which "adapter", specifically?

> The machine has an oddball ssd.
>
> It's a 7 x 17 which AFAIK is made for a few specific Mac laptops.
>
> The adapter will take the drive to a standard SATA .

Okay, but that's not going to allow you to remove the firmware passcode.

And if the drive is encrypted with FileVault, you won't be able to
access anything on it either.

So what are you hoping to do with it once you have it in an external
enclosure?

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On 2021-12-06 11:31:50 +0000, David Brooks said:
> On 06/12/2021 01:44, nospam wrote:
>> In article <sojkef$1rci$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
>> wrote:
>>> .
>>>
>>> I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to USB
>>> adapter.
>>
>> what you plan to do is not going to work.
>>
>>> One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
>>> end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new answers...so
>>> if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has
>>> been met by stirring up brain cells
>>
>> you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.
>
> Why are you so VERY rude to people here. 'no spam'?
>
> Philo has probably forgotten more about computing that you have ever
> learned. He's a good man.

nospam hasn't ever learned anything, that's why it's another of the
village idiots in my killfile.

On 06/12/2021 19:39, Your Name wrote:
> On 2021-12-06 11:31:50 +0000, David Brooks said:
>> On 06/12/2021 01:44, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <sojkef$1rci$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to
>>>> USB
>>>> adapter.
>>>
>>> what you plan to do is not going to work.
>>>
>>>> One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
>>>> end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new
>>>> answers...so
>>>> if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has
>>>> been met by stirring up brain cells
>>>
>>> you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.
>>
>> Why are you so VERY rude to people here. 'no spam'?
>>
>> Philo has probably forgotten more about computing that you have ever
>> learned. He's a good man.
>
> nospam hasn't ever learned anything, that's why it's another of the
> village idiots in my killfile.

Hmmm!

A question he failed to answer:-

//For how long have you been aware that people may 'log on' to the ASC
forums without using their correct Apple ID? - i.e. the one showing on
their iPhone, iPad and Apple computer?//

Can YOU answer it, 'Your Name'?

Thanks if you can.

--
David

In article <j173lbF9euhU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2021-12-06, philo <philo@news.novabbs.com> wrote:
> > Good news.
> >
> > Once I got the drive out , I got the model number and finally got the
> > type. I found an adaptor.
>
> Which "adapter", specifically?

good question. you'd think he would ask if the adapter he found will
work.

there's a pretty good chance it's the reverse of what he needs.

he has *no* idea what he's doing.

> > The machine has an oddball ssd.
> >
> > It's a 7 x 17 which AFAIK is made for a few specific Mac laptops.
> >
> > The adapter will take the drive to a standard SATA .
>
> Okay, but that's not going to allow you to remove the firmware passcode.

yep. he thinks he knows better.

even if he ultimately gets the right adapter, he still won't be able to
remove the firmware password.

he obviously does not understand the difference between firmware and
installed software, namely macos.

> And if the drive is encrypted with FileVault, you won't be able to
> access anything on it either.

not without the correct password, which is how he ended up in this
situation in the first place.

he's also reliant on linux tools to do it, which has questionable
reliability with hfs+, let alone encrypted volumes, which risks
corrupting the entire ssd.

> So what are you hoping to do with it once you have it in an external
> enclosure?

he claims he wants to put the ssd into his linux box and then remove
the .applesetupdone file so that setup assistant will re-run, which he
said has fixed problems in the past and will do so again.

he's in for a bit of a surprise.

it's almost amusing watching him flail about while ignoring the only
possible solution (and even that isn't guaranteed).

unfortunately, this isn't his macbook.

he's experimenting with someone else's macbook, who foolishly trusted
him to fix it despite him not knowing anything about macs.

that person is is now at the mercy of his missteps and will end up
being worse off as a result, possibly losing all of her data in the
process.

and the firmware password will still be there.

On 2021-12-06 20:02:03 +0000, David Brooks said:
> On 06/12/2021 19:39, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2021-12-06 11:31:50 +0000, David Brooks said:
>>> On 06/12/2021 01:44, nospam wrote:
>>>> In article <sojkef$1rci$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to USB
>>>>> adapter.
>>>>
>>>> what you plan to do is not going to work.
>>>>
>>>>> One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
>>>>> end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new answers...so
>>>>> if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has
>>>>> been met by stirring up brain cells
>>>>
>>>> you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.
>>>
>>> Why are you so VERY rude to people here. 'no spam'?
>>>
>>> Philo has probably forgotten more about computing that you have ever
>>> learned. He's a good man.
>>
>> nospam hasn't ever learned anything, that's why it's another of the
>> village idiots in my killfile.
>
>
> Hmmm!
>
> A question he failed to answer:-
>
> //For how long have you been aware that people may 'log on' to the ASC
> forums without using their correct Apple ID? - i.e. the one showing on
> their iPhone, iPad and Apple computer?//
>
> Can YOU answer it, 'Your Name'?
>
> Thanks if you can.

No idea since I don't use the ASC forums (other than a quick visit if
it turns up as a possible solution when Google searching something).
The ASC forums might even pre-date "Apple ID".

On Mon, 6 Dec 2021 18:29:04 +0000, David Brooks <DavidB@invalid.E-S>
wrote:

>//For how long have you been aware that people may 'log on' to the ASC
>forums without using their Apple ID? - i.e. the one showing on
>their iPhone, iPad and Apple computer?//

Like forever.
Why do you want to know? You've been *BANNED* permanently from
that private forum.
Maybe you "forgot".
Drink less.

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I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
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On 2021 Dec 06, David Brooks wrote
(in article<solkpg$1ln$3@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>):

> On 06/12/2021 18:25, nospam wrote:
> > In article<solkec$1ln$1@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>, David Brooks
> > <DavidB@invalid.E-S> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > The 'moderators' are manipulating questions and answers on the ASC forums.
> >
> > nope. what they're doing is banning dumbfuck trolls, namely you, who is
> > repeatedly banned each time you try to sign up and use a different
> > name.
>
> The question you failed to answer:-
>
> //For how long have you been aware that people may 'log on' to the ASC
> forums without using their correct Apple ID?

idiot. those who aren’t banned (that is, not you, vile obne) log into ASC
using the credentials you set for ASC and that particular device. There is no
‘correct’ AppleID, there is merely the credentials stored for access. And
those who aren’t banned might access ASC using different AppleIDs based on
which device they come in on. So if they’re coming in on a Windows machine,
they could use an AppleID associated with the Windows machine... and would go
to a section about Apple products on Windows. Just as an example.

> - i.e. the one showing on
> their iPhone, iPad and Apple computer?//

I’ve got different AppleIDs linked with different devices.

You’re an idiot. And a vile stalker, troll, and serial homosexual sexual
harasser.

On 06/12/2021 21:06, Wolffan *IS A LIAR*

> You’re an idiot. And a vile stalker, troll, and serial homosexual sexual
> harasser.

Totally untrue - a load of bollocks from an insignificant factory worker.

On 06/12/2021 20:17, Your Name wrote:
> On 2021-12-06 20:02:03 +0000, David Brooks said:
>> On 06/12/2021 19:39, Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2021-12-06 11:31:50 +0000, David Brooks said:
>>>> On 06/12/2021 01:44, nospam wrote:
>>>>> In article <sojkef$1rci$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2
>>>>>> to USB
>>>>>> adapter.
>>>>>
>>>>> what you plan to do is not going to work.
>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
>>>>>> end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new
>>>>>> answers...so
>>>>>> if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has
>>>>>> been met by stirring up brain cells
>>>>>
>>>>> you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.
>>>>
>>>> Why are you so VERY rude to people here. 'no spam'?
>>>>
>>>> Philo has probably forgotten more about computing that you have ever
>>>> learned. He's a good man.
>>>
>>> nospam hasn't ever learned anything, that's why it's another of the
>>> village idiots in my killfile.
>>
>>
>> Hmmm!
>>
>> A question he failed to answer:-
>>
>> //For how long have you been aware that people may 'log on' to the ASC
>> forums without using their correct Apple ID?  - i.e. the one showing on
>> their iPhone, iPad and Apple computer?//
>>
>> Can YOU answer it, 'Your Name'?
>>
>> Thanks if you can.
>
> No idea since I don't use the ASC forums (other than a quick visit if it
> turns up as a possible solution when Google searching something). The
> ASC forums might even pre-date "Apple ID".

To post on the ASC forums one MUST use an Apple ID - but it can be a
false one.

People using the ASC forums TRUST the posted links because the perceive
that they are safe - protected by the big Apple umbrella.
BUT - They are NOT
protected from unscrupulous 'bad guys' who can use an invalid Apple ID
to log-in.

On Mon, 6 Dec 2021 22:34:57 +0000, David Brooks <DavidB@invalid.E-S>
wrote:

>On 06/12/2021 21:06, Wolffan wrote, about BD
>
>> You’re an idiot. And a vile stalker, troll, and serial homosexual sexual
>> harasser.
>
> a load of bollocks from an insignificant factory worker.

So you think you know which one of your "friends" told
Wolffan? A factory worker?
WRONG, he had multiple sources.
LOL.
Your phishing didn't work. *AGAIN*.

PS Why are you cross-posting your personal data to a Mac
group? OT up.

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On 12/5/21 6:45 PM, David Brooks wrote:
> On 06/12/2021 00:11, philo wrote:
>> On 12/5/21 4:53 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>>> On 04/12/2021 04:18, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2021-12-03, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 12/3/21 5:35 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>> O\\\\\
>>
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a pretty good memory but don't recall that one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pssst!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was asking Jolly Roger!  ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Whew, glad my memory had not failed.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure why David is butting in, as his issue has nothing to do with
>>>> yours.
>>>
>>> Apologies, JR.  Philo is an on-line chum outwith Usenet.
>>>
>>> I asked you because of an issue which cropped up recently on the ASC
>>> forums when someone couldn't start up their Mac in Safe Boot mode.
>>>
>>> I wondered if you could confirm that I'd remembered matters
>>> correctly, that's all. It wasn't worthy of starting a new thread.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Dave, it's always nice talking to you and on Usenet there is no such
>> thing as butting in...it's open to all.
>
> Thanks, Philo - you are one of the nicest people I have ever met on the
> Internet! :-D

You must know a lot of nasty people then :)

On 2021 Dec 06, David Brooks wrote
(in article<som36h$6fb$2@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>):

> On 06/12/2021 21:06, Wolffan *IS A LIAR*
>
> > You’re an idiot. And a vile stalker, troll, and serial homosexual sexual
> > harasser.
>
> Totally untrue

the truth burns you, vile one.

> - a load of bollocks from an insignificant factory worker.

which ‘factory’ would I be a worker at?

On 2021-12-07, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
> On 2021 Dec 06, David Brooks wrote
> (in article<som36h$6fb$2@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>):
>
>> - a load of bollocks from an insignificant factory worker.
>
> which ‘factory’ would I be a worker at?

It's nothing but entertaining when resident trolls claim they know who
you are and immediately prove themselves totally clueless by getting
*basic* details *completely* wrong. To wit: Arlen recently claimed he
knew that I tried and failed to get a GED - something that would elicit
hysterical laughter from every single person who actually knows me.
Welcome to the club. : )

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On 07/12/2021 03:57, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2021-12-07, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
>> On 2021 Dec 06, David Brooks wrote
>> (in article<som36h$6fb$2@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>):
>>
>>> - a load of bollocks from an insignificant factory worker.
>>
>> which ‘factory’ would I be a worker at?
>
> It's nothing but entertaining when resident trolls claim they know who
> you are and immediately prove themselves totally clueless by getting
> *basic* details *completely* wrong. To wit: Arlen recently claimed he
> knew that I tried and failed to get a GED - something that would elicit
> hysterical laughter from every single person who actually knows me.
> Welcome to the club. : )

Wolffan has *LIED* - time and time again.

I am simply straight-forward and honest.

Are *YOU* a 'good guy' like me, JR?

If so, please demonstrate that, like I did, here:-

https://community.dynamics.com/members/bdontj

The LinkedIn link works and the information on LI is 100% correct.