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* move /var/log to a RAMDISKThe Natural Philosopher
+* Re: move /var/log to a RAMDISKDavid W. Hodgins
|+* Re: move /var/log to a RAMDISKThe Natural Philosopher
||`* Re: move /var/log to a RAMDISKDavid W. Hodgins
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||  +* Re: move /var/log to a RAMDISKThe Natural Philosopher
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||  `- Re: move /var/log to a RAMDISKBob Latham
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|     `* Re: move /var/log to a RAMDISK23k.304
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|          `* Re: move /var/log to a RAMDISKDennis Lee Bieber
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|`* Re: move /var/log to a RAMDISKPancho
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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sat, 5 Aug 2023 08:25 UTC

On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 00:20:03 -0400
"23k.304" <23k304@bfxw9.net> wrote:

> On 8/4/23 4:58 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> > On 04/08/2023 07:03, 23k.304 wrote:
> >> Still have the old IBM Technical Reference Manual.
> >>    All that stuff was meticulously documented.
> >
> > I gave that away sometime in the late 80s.
>
> I consider it to be a "valuable artifact" :-)
>
> At minimum, it showed how serious and deep they'd
> go with the early PCs. That's when programming was
> still painfully "real". Mostly you could not buy
> what you needed - so you had to make it yourself.

IBM simply provided the same level of documentation for the PC as
they did for their mainframes as a matter of habit I think. That made life a
lot easier for the clone makers who popped up like mushrooms almost
immediately.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sat, 5 Aug 2023 08:26 UTC

On 5 Aug 2023 10:17:23 +1000
not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:

> BogoMIPS on ARM is known to show incorrect results. The CPU tricks
> the routine that Linux uses to calculate it, so at least it's
> meaningless compared to the number given on architectures like x86,
> or actual Million Instructions Per Second. Somehow the Linux
> developers haven't been able to fix this.

MIPs was a pretty useless concept long before Linux appeared.

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 by: Chris Elvidge - Sat, 5 Aug 2023 10:21 UTC

On 05/08/2023 08:56, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 04/08/2023 11:54, Chris Elvidge wrote:
>> On 04/08/2023 03:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 03/08/2023 23:59, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 23:28:06 +0100
>>>> Pancho <Pancho.Jones@Proton.Me> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I guessed that the worry was that the journal was a smallish single
>>>>> file, used as a circular buffer (maybe 128MB). So, without wear
>>>>> levelling, the same few blocks would be getting hit all the time.
>>>>
>>>> Remember write amplification - flash storage uses very large blocks
>>>> 1MB or more so small writes involve copying most of a block, writing
>>>> a new
>>>> one with the changes and queing the old one to be wiped.
>>>>
>>> Indeed.
>>>
>>> Oddly enough my SSD drives seem to be lasting better than the
>>> spinning rust they replaced. The wear levelling in THOSE really works.
>>> So my tentative feeling at this point in time is that while /boot
>>> might be on the SD card, if I were to use a pi for serious R/W
>>> everything else would be an SSD mounted somehow at boot.
>>
>> That's what I do
>>
>> My cmdline.txt:
>>
>> console=tty1 root=PARTUUID=72020302-c396-2148-9d13-caf4f68cd18c
>> rootfstype=ext4 fsck.repair=yes rootwait quiet splash
>> plymouth.ignore-serial-consoles net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0
>> usbhid.mousepoll=0 dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0
>>
>> The PARTUUID is that of half a 120Gb SSD (/dev/sda2). /boot is on a
>> 250Mb SD card.
>>
> That seems a logical best solution for an early Pi. The later ones will
> do USB boot, I think.
>
> (where on earth did you get a 250MB SD card: I cant find anything much
> less than gigabytes these days)
>
>

Seems the place I got them from is now out-of-stock on all SD cards.

--

Chris Elvidge, England
I WILL NOT DO ANYTHING BAD EVER AGAIN

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 by: Pancho - Sat, 5 Aug 2023 13:36 UTC

On 05/08/2023 09:26, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On 5 Aug 2023 10:17:23 +1000
> not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>
>> BogoMIPS on ARM is known to show incorrect results. The CPU tricks
>> the routine that Linux uses to calculate it, so at least it's
>> meaningless compared to the number given on architectures like x86,
>> or actual Million Instructions Per Second. Somehow the Linux
>> developers haven't been able to fix this.
>
> MIPs was a pretty useless concept long before Linux appeared.
>

Anecdotally, GeekBench seems reasonable.

<https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/265980>

AMD Ryzen 5 7600, 2701, 12071
Orange Pi 5, 841, 2911
Intel i5 2500K, 634, 1903
Intel Core i5-750, 433, 1223
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, 271, 764
Raspberry Pi 4 B r1.4 253, 617

I was actually surprised at how fast the new Ryzen was. Maybe it is time
to buy a new PC.

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sat, 5 Aug 2023 14:23 UTC

On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 14:36:08 +0100
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> I was actually surprised at how fast the new Ryzen was. Maybe it is time
> to buy a new PC.

I haven't done that in a long time. I used to buy parts and make
them but these days I buy "refurbished"* ex-corporate machines which are
cheap and far better made than the typical consumer PC.

* Read cleaned, OS reinstalled and stripped of asset tags.

--
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 by: Charlie Gibbs - Sat, 5 Aug 2023 14:36 UTC

On 2023-08-05, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On 5 Aug 2023 10:17:23 +1000
> not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>
>> BogoMIPS on ARM is known to show incorrect results. The CPU tricks
>> the routine that Linux uses to calculate it, so at least it's
>> meaningless compared to the number given on architectures like x86,
>> or actual Million Instructions Per Second. Somehow the Linux
>> developers haven't been able to fix this.
>
> MIPs was a pretty useless concept long before Linux appeared.

Hence the acronym: Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed.

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sat, 5 Aug 2023 16:14 UTC

On Sat, 05 Aug 2023 14:36:39 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

Hey Charlie, long time no see.

> On 2023-08-05, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
> > MIPs was a pretty useless concept long before Linux appeared.
>
> Hence the acronym: Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed.

Dats de bunny.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sat, 5 Aug 2023 16:57 UTC

On 05/08/2023 15:23, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 14:36:08 +0100
> Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:
>
>> I was actually surprised at how fast the new Ryzen was. Maybe it is time
>> to buy a new PC.
>
> I haven't done that in a long time. I used to buy parts and make
> them but these days I buy "refurbished"* ex-corporate machines which are
> cheap and far better made than the typical consumer PC.
>

As do I.
Apart from video editing, which I dont do so much any more, my highest
CPU usage is now either websites clogged with javaScript, or playing a
realtime game and that is more GPU than CPU

My 5 year old HP desktop was simply, out of its refurbished box, better
than anything I need at far less power consumption than what it replaced.

I only bought it as a cheap platform to test out a major Linux upgrade
as I wanted to leave its predecessor there in case the upgrade didn't
work. It's predecessor is STILL sitting there.

> * Read cleaned, OS reinstalled and stripped of asset tags.
>

Pretty much yes. And of course discs removed and replaced with SSDs.
Corporate discs automatically go to the crusher.

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oppressors."
- George Orwell

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sat, 5 Aug 2023 17:04 UTC

On 05/08/2023 11:21, Chris Elvidge wrote:
> On 05/08/2023 08:56, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 04/08/2023 11:54, Chris Elvidge wrote:
>>> On 04/08/2023 03:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 03/08/2023 23:59, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 23:28:06 +0100
>>>>> Pancho <Pancho.Jones@Proton.Me> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I guessed that the worry was that the journal was a smallish single
>>>>>> file, used as a circular buffer (maybe 128MB). So, without wear
>>>>>> levelling, the same few blocks would be getting hit all the time.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Remember write amplification - flash storage uses very large
>>>>> blocks
>>>>> 1MB or more so small writes involve copying most of a block,
>>>>> writing a new
>>>>> one with the changes and queing the old one to be wiped.
>>>>>
>>>> Indeed.
>>>>
>>>> Oddly enough my SSD drives seem to be lasting better than the
>>>> spinning rust they replaced. The wear levelling in THOSE really works.
>>>> So my tentative feeling at this point in time is that while /boot
>>>> might be on the SD card, if I were to use a pi for serious R/W
>>>> everything else would be an SSD mounted somehow at boot.
>>>
>>> That's what I do
>>>
>>> My cmdline.txt:
>>>
>>> console=tty1 root=PARTUUID=72020302-c396-2148-9d13-caf4f68cd18c
>>> rootfstype=ext4 fsck.repair=yes rootwait quiet splash
>>> plymouth.ignore-serial-consoles net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0
>>> usbhid.mousepoll=0 dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0
>>>
>>> The PARTUUID is that of half a 120Gb SSD (/dev/sda2). /boot is on a
>>> 250Mb SD card.
>>>
>> That seems a logical best solution for an early Pi. The later ones
>> will do USB boot, I think.
>>
>> (where on earth did you get a 250MB SD card: I cant find anything much
>> less than gigabytes these days)
>>
>>
>
> Seems the place I got them from is now out-of-stock on all SD cards.
>
>
I had a look, and they are available in unknown brand from at least
amazon at £7.69

By comparison my Sandisk 16GB class 10 A1 whateverthefuckthatmeans SD
was only £6 from the Pi hut.

https://thepihut.com/products/sandisk-microsd-card-class-10-a1

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On 05/08/2023 11:21, Chris Elvidge wrote:
> On 05/08/2023 08:56, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 04/08/2023 11:54, Chris Elvidge wrote:
>>> On 04/08/2023 03:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 03/08/2023 23:59, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 23:28:06 +0100
>>>>> Pancho <Pancho.Jones@Proton.Me> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I guessed that the worry was that the journal was a smallish single
>>>>>> file, used as a circular buffer (maybe 128MB). So, without wear
>>>>>> levelling, the same few blocks would be getting hit all the time.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Remember write amplification - flash storage uses very large
>>>>> blocks
>>>>> 1MB or more so small writes involve copying most of a block,
>>>>> writing a new
>>>>> one with the changes and queing the old one to be wiped.
>>>>>
>>>> Indeed.
>>>>
>>>> Oddly enough my SSD drives seem to be lasting better than the
>>>> spinning rust they replaced. The wear levelling in THOSE really works.
>>>> So my tentative feeling at this point in time is that while /boot
>>>> might be on the SD card, if I were to use a pi for serious R/W
>>>> everything else would be an SSD mounted somehow at boot.
>>>
>>> That's what I do
>>>
>>> My cmdline.txt:
>>>
>>> console=tty1 root=PARTUUID=72020302-c396-2148-9d13-caf4f68cd18c
>>> rootfstype=ext4 fsck.repair=yes rootwait quiet splash
>>> plymouth.ignore-serial-consoles net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0
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>>>
>>> The PARTUUID is that of half a 120Gb SSD (/dev/sda2). /boot is on a
>>> 250Mb SD card.
>>>
>> That seems a logical best solution for an early Pi. The later ones
>> will do USB boot, I think.
>>
>> (where on earth did you get a 250MB SD card: I cant find anything much
>> less than gigabytes these days)
>>
>>
>
> Seems the place I got them from is now out-of-stock on all SD cards.
>
>
I had a further look, as its a dull wet day and its bloody cold for
summer, and in fact you are hard pressed to even find a card under 1GB
at all, and they are not the cheapest.

The current price point minimum seems to be around 16GB

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sat, 5 Aug 2023 17:19 UTC

On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 17:57:32 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Pretty much yes. And of course discs removed and replaced with SSDs.
> Corporate discs automatically go to the crusher.

IME they don't even leave the office with the PCs, the IT
department removes them and puts them in the box to go to the crusher.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sat, 5 Aug 2023 17:48 UTC

On 05/08/2023 18:19, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 17:57:32 +0100
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Pretty much yes. And of course discs removed and replaced with SSDs.
>> Corporate discs automatically go to the crusher.
>
> IME they don't even leave the office with the PCs, the IT
> department removes them and puts them in the box to go to the crusher.
>
Usually some contract firm doing the IT upgrade does that.

--
"An intellectual is a person knowledgeable in one field who speaks out
only in others...”

Tom Wolfe

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sat, 5 Aug 2023 18:16 UTC

On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 18:48:48 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 05/08/2023 18:19, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> > On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 17:57:32 +0100
> > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> Pretty much yes. And of course discs removed and replaced with SSDs.
> >> Corporate discs automatically go to the crusher.
> >
> > IME they don't even leave the office with the PCs, the IT
> > department removes them and puts them in the box to go to the crusher.
> >
> Usually some contract firm doing the IT upgrade does that.

Probably depends on the size of the IT department - the last place
I saw it happen was Yahoo! where internal staff did it.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sat, 5 Aug 2023 19:28 UTC

On 05/08/2023 19:16, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 18:48:48 +0100
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 05/08/2023 18:19, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 17:57:32 +0100
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pretty much yes. And of course discs removed and replaced with SSDs.
>>>> Corporate discs automatically go to the crusher.
>>>
>>> IME they don't even leave the office with the PCs, the IT
>>> department removes them and puts them in the box to go to the crusher.
>>>
>> Usually some contract firm doing the IT upgrade does that.
>
> Probably depends on the size of the IT department - the last place
> I saw it happen was Yahoo! where internal staff did it.
>
A relative was (contract) managing projects like this for IBM. Who
were the 'IT department' for several insurance firms. I cant remember
who actually removed the drives, but I got the impressions it was the
firm in charge of recycling, whose contracts were written in blood and
cursed by corporate zombies.

So as I understood it, the PCs went to a firm who swore to remove the
drives and crush them.

After that I assume they went to industrial auctions where refurb firms
bid for them

All the machines I have bought came with brand new SSD drives and a
fresh install of WinShit, which I promptly erased as soon as Linux was
installed.

And the thing is that a corporate Lenovo, Dell or HP machine is far more
likely to install out of the box than some bleeding edge assembled by
morons POS gaming machine or cut price system built from substandard parts.

And cost peanuts in comparison. I cant buy a new machine for what a
refurb of equivalent power costs. The bean counters write these things
off against tax, and the people who deal with them quote low prices to
remove them on the understanding that an undeclared asset is being
transferred as well. So they make a decent margin onselling them, but
they are still bloody cheap.

--
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

- Bertrand Russell

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 by: Martin Gregorie - Sat, 5 Aug 2023 21:14 UTC

On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 15:23:21 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 14:36:08 +0100 Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:
>
>> I was actually surprised at how fast the new Ryzen was. Maybe it is
>> time to buy a new PC.
>
> I haven't done that in a long time. I used to buy parts and make
> them but these days I buy "refurbished"* ex-corporate machines which are
> cheap and far better made than the typical consumer PC.
>
> * Read cleaned, OS reinstalled and stripped of asset tags.

It may well be worth looking at getting a new PC.

Since around 2005 my house server was a Dual Athlon PC in a noname case
and not new when I got it in 2005 and has had at least two new disks (bog
standard WD 500MB blue) since then. Last April it collapsed in a heap and
was replaced with a new system with a Ryzen 3 43006 chip: 500 GB RAM and
500 GB M2 SSD. I also took the opportunity to replace my slow ADSL house
connection with a FTTC fibre link.

The difference has been dramatic: the new system cold boots in 41 secs
(from hitting the 'on' button until the Login' prompt appears). I have
password protection on the M2 SSD so this includes the time needed to
enter the SSD password.

Weekly backups (by rsync to a local 3.5" WD Essentials USB drive is at
least 5 times faster. Similarly, The weekly Fedora dnf-managed package
update that follows it is now getting read at 4.2 Mb/sec rather than the
480 kB/sec I used to get over ADSL on a good day and the step that follows
the backup and update: running rkhunter also shows a similar speedup.

--

Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sat, 5 Aug 2023 21:23 UTC

On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 20:28:24 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 05/08/2023 19:16, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> > On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 18:48:48 +0100
> > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> Usually some contract firm doing the IT upgrade does that.
> >
> > Probably depends on the size of the IT department - the last
> > place I saw it happen was Yahoo! where internal staff did it.
> >
> A relative was (contract) managing projects like this for IBM. Who

Figures, Yahoo! was busy going down the pan at the time there's no
way they'd be springing for the kind of services IBM would use.

> All the machines I have bought came with brand new SSD drives and a
> fresh install of WinShit, which I promptly erased as soon as Linux was
> installed.

Yep - it costs them next to nothing to put it on there. For me it's
FreeBSD that gets to install itself over the whole disc. It's been failing
to annoy me for thirty years now, I've yet to encounter a Linux that lasted
a month without annoying me. There's a Linux VM lurking for a couple of
slicer applications that I can't be bothered to try and make run under
FreeBSD's compatibility layer.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Sun, 6 Aug 2023 01:45 UTC

In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> I had a further look, as its a dull wet day and its bloody cold for
> summer, and in fact you are hard pressed to even find a card under 1GB
> at all, and they are not the cheapest.

Unless you buy used cards on Ebay from people who pull them out of
old phones. I got a bunch of 16GB cards that way and most have
worked well. One was toast. The smallest ones, 128MB or 64MB, are
usually cheapest from those sellers.

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 by: 23k.304 - Sun, 6 Aug 2023 04:01 UTC

On 8/5/23 4:01 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 05/08/2023 05:20, 23k.304 wrote:
>> On 8/4/23 4:58 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 04/08/2023 07:03, 23k.304 wrote:
>>>> Still have the old IBM Technical Reference Manual.
>>>>    All that stuff was meticulously documented.
>>>
>>> I gave that away sometime in the late 80s.
>>
>>    I consider it to be a "valuable artifact" :-)
>>
>>    At minimum, it showed how serious and deep they'd
>>    go with the early PCs. That's when programming was
>>    still painfully "real". Mostly you could not buy
>>    what you needed - so you had to make it yourself.
>>
>>    And I *did* find many uses for that info.
> Oh, so did I. I was assembly programming 8086s then - writing BIOS
> extensions or complete BIOSES for them,
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUVZbBBHrI4

Shoulda gone with the Frenchies, they LOVE nuke ! :-)

Never went as far as a full BIOS. Leveraging what IS,
what's commercial, what's widespread and "standard"
was generally my approach. In the time it takes to
write a BIOS, esp solo, I could do ten times the stuff
with my approach.

But to each ...

> Or interfacing with special hardware people had built that needed
> drivers written.
> But that line of business dried up, so I ended up doing yet another
> career shift into running IT businesses.

Once you COULD buy lots of neat stuff off the shelf,
then yea, a focus shift made sense. Never tried/wanted
to RUN businesses though - massive pain in the ass and
biz WAY too often winds up in the shitter.

Was still programming in solder into maybe half a
dozen years ago - stuff you couldn't, or wouldn't,
buy off the shelf. However that stuff was for
microcontrollers, not real CPUs.

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 by: Jan Panteltje - Sun, 6 Aug 2023 05:31 UTC

On a sunny day (Sat, 5 Aug 2023 21:14:45 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Martin
Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> wrote in <uame45$1ntb9$3@dont-email.me>:

>On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 15:23:21 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 14:36:08 +0100 Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:
>>
>>> I was actually surprised at how fast the new Ryzen was. Maybe it is
>>> time to buy a new PC.
>>
>> I haven't done that in a long time. I used to buy parts and make
>> them but these days I buy "refurbished"* ex-corporate machines which are
>> cheap and far better made than the typical consumer PC.
>>
>> * Read cleaned, OS reinstalled and stripped of asset tags.
>
>It may well be worth looking at getting a new PC.
>
>Since around 2005 my house server was a Dual Athlon PC in a noname case
>and not new when I got it in 2005 and has had at least two new disks (bog
>standard WD 500MB blue) since then. Last April it collapsed in a heap and
>was replaced with a new system with a Ryzen 3 43006 chip: 500 GB RAM and
>500 GB M2 SSD. I also took the opportunity to replace my slow ADSL house
>connection with a FTTC fibre link.
>
>The difference has been dramatic: the new system cold boots in 41 secs
>(from hitting the 'on' button until the Login' prompt appears). I have
>password protection on the M2 SSD so this includes the time needed to
>enter the SSD password.
>
>Weekly backups (by rsync to a local 3.5" WD Essentials USB drive is at
>least 5 times faster. Similarly, The weekly Fedora dnf-managed package
>update that follows it is now getting read at 4.2 Mb/sec rather than the
>480 kB/sec I used to get over ADSL on a good day and the step that follows
>the backup and update: running rkhunter also shows a similar speedup.

I used to put PCs together myself, mother board, PCI card, etc
I have still 2 PCs.
the first one is > 20 years old and runs GRML Linux, is an AMD system
its working upstairs and has a ton of software I wrote and a PCI satellite reception card
so I sometimes use it to do things like dish positioning:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/satellite/
Am radio ham too and we have now QO100 geostationary satellite for example to send an receive from.
Am not very active as where I live now it requires climbing high ladders to reach the dish...
The other PC is > 10 years old and had an LG M-DISC drive so I can burn DVDs and blu-rays etc too.
But it had a bad crash after some mains power dip, so put old Slackware on it and some of my DVD
soft I wrote...
Not used much now if at all, was also put together myself
My Samsung laptop is from 2011 or so and for 'on the go', Huawei 4G stick internet everywhere.,
and I have 5 Raspberries, 2 of those are Pi4, for daily use.
3 are now on 24/7 on a UPS, one I post this from, one records security cams and plays background music if needed,
records weather, air traffic ship traffic, radiation all to a 4 TB Toshiba USB disk.
One runs as server.

I think I will not buy / construct a new PC.
My Samsung TV (also 20 years old ) can play HD from the 1 TB harddisk I have plugged in it.
and I can record anything I can receive from satellite or DVB-T2 terrestrial with the 30 Euro or so cheap boxes
from ebay with 128 GB USB sticks plugged into it.
Why need more computer power?
To have the bloat say 'hello there?'

It is a conspiracy, make a more bloated OS, sell more hardware that needs it?
Need a faster network to do the ever bigger updates?
The news remains the same.
Ever higher TV resolution? Buy a new TV set ever 10, 5, 2 ?? LOL years?
Games? I have Xmahjong ... Programming is more fun..

Now they want to replace cash with digital money it seems.....
Just wait for the next big solar storm or high altitude nuke and that is all it needs
to kill all sats and electricity and back to barter trade...
if there is anything like food left to trade, as fridges need electricity too.
We should NOT become too dependent on electricity, electric cars and all that,
only diversity can keep us alive, we should not forget those skills.

I have some good solar panels stuff and a 250 AH lifepo4 battery pack and a 12V to 230V converter so I can at least
cook food or maybe even keep a fridge running when the WW3 str// power is out for a short while...
hehe

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sun, 6 Aug 2023 07:13 UTC

On 05/08/2023 22:23, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 20:28:24 +0100
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 05/08/2023 19:16, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 18:48:48 +0100
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Usually some contract firm doing the IT upgrade does that.
>>>
>>> Probably depends on the size of the IT department - the last
>>> place I saw it happen was Yahoo! where internal staff did it.
>>>
>> A relative was (contract) managing projects like this for IBM. Who
>
> Figures, Yahoo! was busy going down the pan at the time there's no
> way they'd be springing for the kind of services IBM would use.
>
>> All the machines I have bought came with brand new SSD drives and a
>> fresh install of WinShit, which I promptly erased as soon as Linux was
>> installed.
>
> Yep - it costs them next to nothing to put it on there. For me it's
> FreeBSD that gets to install itself over the whole disc. It's been failing
> to annoy me for thirty years now, I've yet to encounter a Linux that lasted
> a month without annoying me. There's a Linux VM lurking for a couple of
> slicer applications that I can't be bothered to try and make run under
> FreeBSD's compatibility layer.
>
Horses for courses. What runs on my *desktop* needs to be up to date,
and user friendly. I do all the complex shit on servers and Pis.

I write code on this, but I don't compile it on this machine.

--
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to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sun, 6 Aug 2023 07:21 UTC

On 06/08/2023 02:45, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> I had a further look, as its a dull wet day and its bloody cold for
>> summer, and in fact you are hard pressed to even find a card under 1GB
>> at all, and they are not the cheapest.
>
> Unless you buy used cards on Ebay from people who pull them out of
> old phones. I got a bunch of 16GB cards that way and most have
> worked well. One was toast. The smallest ones, 128MB or 64MB, are
> usually cheapest from those sellers.
>
When you are looking at second hand SD cards plus postage, the cost
benefit analyis told me I should pay the money for whatever was the
current best price on new stuff , with plenty of life left, from the
same shop that was shipping me the Pi. To leverage the postage. and that
turns out to be 16GB. Why, I don't have a clue. I could ask an old
college friend who used to work designing NAND flash in California, but
I am not sure I give a rat's arse why.

Again, you asses a situation and what you want, and work out the least
cost and effort to arrive at that target. If I could get 2GB cards at 5
for £10 I'd use those, But I cant.

I was interested because I don't remember ever having an SD card for my
ancient camera that was that small (256MB).

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sun, 6 Aug 2023 07:51 UTC

On 06/08/2023 05:01, 23k.304 wrote:
> On 8/5/23 4:01 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 05/08/2023 05:20, 23k.304 wrote:
>>> On 8/4/23 4:58 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 04/08/2023 07:03, 23k.304 wrote:
>>>>> Still have the old IBM Technical Reference Manual.
>>>>>    All that stuff was meticulously documented.
>>>>
>>>> I gave that away sometime in the late 80s.
>>>
>>>    I consider it to be a "valuable artifact" :-)
>>>
>>>    At minimum, it showed how serious and deep they'd
>>>    go with the early PCs. That's when programming was
>>>    still painfully "real". Mostly you could not buy
>>>    what you needed - so you had to make it yourself.
>>>
>>>    And I *did* find many uses for that info.
>> Oh, so did I. I was assembly programming 8086s then - writing BIOS
>> extensions or complete BIOSES for them,
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUVZbBBHrI4
>
>   Shoulda gone with the Frenchies, they LOVE nuke !  :-)
>
>   Never went as far as a full BIOS. Leveraging what IS,
>   what's commercial, what's widespread and "standard"
>   was generally my approach. In the time it takes to
>   write a BIOS, esp solo, I could do ten times the stuff
>   with my approach.
>
>   But to each ...
>
I was being paid to get custom designed hardware to perform.
This minicomputer company wanted an 8088 board to control the other
boards in their super fault tolerant computer. So there it was, a bare
8088 board with PROm and some RAM and they wanted to be able to load
code from an 8" floppy, and drive a serial monitor, oh and while you are
at it, write us a full C library in ROM and an FORTH interpreter -
here's the source code in a 150 page scan of some magazine article.

That's 6 months of my life I wont get back. They were going to write a
multitasking basic operating system on top of that but my contract
expired before they got that far.

>
>> Or interfacing with special hardware people had built that needed
>> drivers written.
>> But that line of business dried up, so I ended up doing yet another
>> career shift into running IT businesses.
>
>   Once you COULD buy lots of neat stuff off the shelf,
>   then yea, a focus shift made sense. Never tried/wanted
>   to RUN businesses though - massive pain in the ass and
>   biz WAY too often winds up in the shitter.
>
No option. No one wanted a 43 year old self taught programmer. They
wanted bushy tailed youngsters who wrote C++ and had been schooled in
all sorts of theoretical shit that enabled them to justify writing
shitty bug filled code.

When no one is offering jobs, it sensible to invent your own. It
started as technical support, but as it became apparent that the other
people in the business hadn't a clue how to actually run a business -
accounts, operations, technical support and so on, I ended up running
more than half the employees.

I needed a job, and that was the only way I could guarantee the business
didn't fall to pieces with incompetence.

Well it fell to pieces with ego, so a couple of us started another one,
and I ended up running most of that too.
When I had enough cash accumulated, and my co directors wife started
trashing the business, we sold it and I gave up work altogether.

I'd frankly had enough. So I retired at 50.

>   Was still programming in solder into maybe half a
>   dozen years ago - stuff you couldn't, or wouldn't,
>   buy off the shelf. However that stuff was for
>   microcontrollers, not real CPUs.

I still solder stuff together. And I will be for this current Pi project
too. I need an internal mains power supply for the server - to hell with
USB wall warts - and I need a special bit of kit that turns on after up
to an hours delay, boots a pico and runs it until the PICO has done its
stuff and issues a shutdown signal on a GPIO pin, and puts the whole
thing to sleep at a couple of µA or so for up to an hour, to get a
decent battery life.

Oddly enough the best solution to that looks to be not some specialised
complex chip, but an old school simple 4000 series CMOS Schmitt
trigger, some Rs and Cs, and three boring old school transistors. 1970s
technology in fact.

In quiescent state, the only current draw will be leakage current on the
transistors charge current on the timing capacitor and the quiescent
current of the CMOS Schmitt, which at 4.5v is less than a µA...the best
I could do with clever chips like a CMOS 555 timer was around 16µA.

If it works I might get some PCBS made up for that. Lots of people might
want a PICO for use as a remote sensor on batteries on an 'occasional'
basis.

So old school it is. I am hoping for at least a years battery life on
the oil tank sensor. Even if that means only monitoring the level once
an hour or less.

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H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Sun, 6 Aug 2023 07:59 UTC

On 06/08/2023 06:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Sat, 5 Aug 2023 21:14:45 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Martin
> Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> wrote in <uame45$1ntb9$3@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 15:23:21 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 14:36:08 +0100 Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was actually surprised at how fast the new Ryzen was. Maybe it is
>>>> time to buy a new PC.
>>>
>>> I haven't done that in a long time. I used to buy parts and make
>>> them but these days I buy "refurbished"* ex-corporate machines which are
>>> cheap and far better made than the typical consumer PC.
>>>
>>> * Read cleaned, OS reinstalled and stripped of asset tags.
>>
>> It may well be worth looking at getting a new PC.
>>
>> Since around 2005 my house server was a Dual Athlon PC in a noname case
>> and not new when I got it in 2005 and has had at least two new disks (bog
>> standard WD 500MB blue) since then. Last April it collapsed in a heap and
>> was replaced with a new system with a Ryzen 3 43006 chip: 500 GB RAM and
>> 500 GB M2 SSD. I also took the opportunity to replace my slow ADSL house
>> connection with a FTTC fibre link.
>>
>> The difference has been dramatic: the new system cold boots in 41 secs
>> (from hitting the 'on' button until the Login' prompt appears). I have
>> password protection on the M2 SSD so this includes the time needed to
>> enter the SSD password.
>>
>> Weekly backups (by rsync to a local 3.5" WD Essentials USB drive is at
>> least 5 times faster. Similarly, The weekly Fedora dnf-managed package
>> update that follows it is now getting read at 4.2 Mb/sec rather than the
>> 480 kB/sec I used to get over ADSL on a good day and the step that follows
>> the backup and update: running rkhunter also shows a similar speedup.
>
> I used to put PCs together myself, mother board, PCI card, etc
> I have still 2 PCs.
> the first one is > 20 years old and runs GRML Linux, is an AMD system
> its working upstairs and has a ton of software I wrote and a PCI satellite reception card
> so I sometimes use it to do things like dish positioning:
> https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/satellite/
> Am radio ham too and we have now QO100 geostationary satellite for example to send an receive from.
> Am not very active as where I live now it requires climbing high ladders to reach the dish...
> The other PC is > 10 years old and had an LG M-DISC drive so I can burn DVDs and blu-rays etc too.
> But it had a bad crash after some mains power dip, so put old Slackware on it and some of my DVD
> soft I wrote...
> Not used much now if at all, was also put together myself
> My Samsung laptop is from 2011 or so and for 'on the go', Huawei 4G stick internet everywhere.,
> and I have 5 Raspberries, 2 of those are Pi4, for daily use.
> 3 are now on 24/7 on a UPS, one I post this from, one records security cams and plays background music if needed,
> records weather, air traffic ship traffic, radiation all to a 4 TB Toshiba USB disk.
> One runs as server.
>
> I think I will not buy / construct a new PC.
> My Samsung TV (also 20 years old ) can play HD from the 1 TB harddisk I have plugged in it.
> and I can record anything I can receive from satellite or DVB-T2 terrestrial with the 30 Euro or so cheap boxes
> from ebay with 128 GB USB sticks plugged into it.
> Why need more computer power?
> To have the bloat say 'hello there?'
>
> It is a conspiracy, make a more bloated OS, sell more hardware that needs it?
> Need a faster network to do the ever bigger updates?
> The news remains the same.
> Ever higher TV resolution? Buy a new TV set ever 10, 5, 2 ?? LOL years?
> Games? I have Xmahjong ... Programming is more fun..
>
>
> Now they want to replace cash with digital money it seems.....
> Just wait for the next big solar storm or high altitude nuke and that is all it needs
> to kill all sats and electricity and back to barter trade...
> if there is anything like food left to trade, as fridges need electricity too.
> We should NOT become too dependent on electricity, electric cars and all that,
> only diversity can keep us alive, we should not forget those skills.
>
> I have some good solar panels stuff and a 250 AH lifepo4 battery pack and a 12V to 230V converter so I can at least
> cook food or maybe even keep a fridge running when the WW3 str// power is out for a short while...
> hehe

It's amazing how much of the modern up to date utterly fashionable
technology one finds one neither needs nor wants.

I had a 'Damascene' moment sitting in the sun, roasting some meat on a
braai, in a game park in South Africa watching some hippos and
crocodiles (fortunately the other side of a river), when I realised that
all of civilisation is there really simply to keep us warm and put food
on the table and give us somewhere safe to sleep at night, and the rest
is simply there because we get bored.

Well, I have a place to sleep safely at night, and mostly warm and
always have food.

I'll settle for that, and as to getting bored - what were computers and
the internet invented for if not to allow access to all sorts of weird
shit?

(I know, they were both invented, like integrated circuits, to fight
wars with. Hey ho).

--
I would rather have questions that cannot be answered...
....than to have answers that cannot be questioned

Richard Feynman

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 by: Jan Panteltje - Sun, 6 Aug 2023 08:42 UTC

On a sunny day (Sun, 6 Aug 2023 08:51:31 +0100) it happened The Natural
Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in <uanje4$25fvd$1@dont-email.me>:

>On 06/08/2023 05:01, 23k.304 wrote:
>> On 8/5/23 4:01 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 05/08/2023 05:20, 23k.304 wrote:
>>>> On 8/4/23 4:58 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 04/08/2023 07:03, 23k.304 wrote:
>>>>>> Still have the old IBM Technical Reference Manual.
>>>>>>    All that stuff was meticulously documented.
>>>>>
>>>>> I gave that away sometime in the late 80s.
>>>>
>>>>    I consider it to be a "valuable artifact" :-)
>>>>
>>>>    At minimum, it showed how serious and deep they'd
>>>>    go with the early PCs. That's when programming was
>>>>    still painfully "real". Mostly you could not buy
>>>>    what you needed - so you had to make it yourself.
>>>>
>>>>    And I *did* find many uses for that info.
>>> Oh, so did I. I was assembly programming 8086s then - writing BIOS
>>> extensions or complete BIOSES for them,
>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUVZbBBHrI4
>>
>>   Shoulda gone with the Frenchies, they LOVE nuke !  :-)
>>
>>   Never went as far as a full BIOS. Leveraging what IS,
>>   what's commercial, what's widespread and "standard"
>>   was generally my approach. In the time it takes to
>>   write a BIOS, esp solo, I could do ten times the stuff
>>   with my approach.
>>
>>   But to each ...
>>
>I was being paid to get custom designed hardware to perform.
>This minicomputer company wanted an 8088 board to control the other
>boards in their super fault tolerant computer. So there it was, a bare
>8088 board with PROm and some RAM and they wanted to be able to load
>code from an 8" floppy, and drive a serial monitor, oh and while you are
>at it, write us a full C library in ROM and an FORTH interpreter -
>here's the source code in a 150 page scan of some magazine article.
>
>That's 6 months of my life I wont get back. They were going to write a
>multitasking basic operating system on top of that but my contract
>expired before they got that far.
>
>
>>
>>> Or interfacing with special hardware people had built that needed
>>> drivers written.
>>> But that line of business dried up, so I ended up doing yet another
>>> career shift into running IT businesses.
>>
>>   Once you COULD buy lots of neat stuff off the shelf,
>>   then yea, a focus shift made sense. Never tried/wanted
>>   to RUN businesses though - massive pain in the ass and
>>   biz WAY too often winds up in the shitter.
>>
>No option. No one wanted a 43 year old self taught programmer. They
>wanted bushy tailed youngsters who wrote C++ and had been schooled in
>all sorts of theoretical shit that enabled them to justify writing
>shitty bug filled code.
>
>When no one is offering jobs, it sensible to invent your own. It
>started as technical support, but as it became apparent that the other
>people in the business hadn't a clue how to actually run a business -
>accounts, operations, technical support and so on, I ended up running
>more than half the employees.
>
>I needed a job, and that was the only way I could guarantee the business
>didn't fall to pieces with incompetence.
>
>Well it fell to pieces with ego, so a couple of us started another one,
>and I ended up running most of that too.
>When I had enough cash accumulated, and my co directors wife started
>trashing the business, we sold it and I gave up work altogether.
>
>I'd frankly had enough. So I retired at 50.

I had a TV repair shop for years during the late seventies and early eighties.
Worked for the national TV network here before that
and before that designed electronics for the among other things army and navy.
After the repair shop did many things, often via agencies.
Electronics is everywhere so gained knowledge of a lot of fields
from missiles to medical (worked in a university hospital too) and space and physics (accelerator).

Curiosity is likely what drives me.

>
>>   Was still programming in solder into maybe half a
>>   dozen years ago - stuff you couldn't, or wouldn't,
>>   buy off the shelf. However that stuff was for
>>   microcontrollers, not real CPUs.
>
>I still solder stuff together. And I will be for this current Pi project
>too. I need an internal mains power supply for the server - to hell with
>USB wall warts - and I need a special bit of kit that turns on after up
>to an hours delay, boots a pico and runs it until the PICO has done its
>stuff and issues a shutdown signal on a GPIO pin, and puts the whole
>thing to sleep at a couple of µA or so for up to an hour, to get a
>decent battery life.
>
>Oddly enough the best solution to that looks to be not some specialised
>complex chip, but an old school simple 4000 series CMOS Schmitt
>trigger, some Rs and Cs, and three boring old school transistors. 1970s
>technology in fact.
>
>In quiescent state, the only current draw will be leakage current on the
>transistors charge current on the timing capacitor and the quiescent
>current of the CMOS Schmitt, which at 4.5v is less than a µA...the best
>I could do with clever chips like a CMOS 555 timer was around 16µA.
>
>If it works I might get some PCBS made up for that. Lots of people might
>want a PICO for use as a remote sensor on batteries on an 'occasional'
>basis.
>
>So old school it is. I am hoping for at least a years battery life on
>the oil tank sensor. Even if that means only monitoring the level once
>an hour or less.

I have done a fluid level sensor with just a 4040 counter and an echo system
555 timer, sending a beep down to the surface and counting ticks before the echo returns
Was in the eighties.
Distance sensors are now less than 2 Euro or on ebay..
https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/ultrasonic-distance-sensor/bn_7024750003
done a lot of experiments with those ebay things too, for example wind speed measurements:
http://panteltje.nl/pub/wind_speed_by_differential_2_ebay_distance_meters_IMG_4891.JPG
http://panteltje.nl/pub/44kHz_radar_time_of_flight_test_in_wind_tunnel_IMG_4105.JPG

But am from origin electronics hardware, programming came later..
I do not always see the need for any Raspberry stuff in equipment, I use Microchip 18F14K22 chips
that I program in asm.
Those have ADCs, PWM generators, a simple DAC, counters, etc etc and sleep mode with only nano amps.
For an other e dollars or so you can add an USB interface.
For the 'network' its a bit more complicated, I need an extra chip
As the ebay modules are so cheap who cares .
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285358235060

PICs can drive a nice OLED or LCD display no problem:
http://panteltje.nl/pub/gamma_spectrometer_plus_probe_plus_geiger_counter_2_IMG_4185.JPG
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/

Only external code I use is the 32 bit PIC asm math routines written by somebody else.

No emulators no debuggers used ever.
serial port and a scope is all I need.
No million dollar scope, 10 MHz dual trace is enough.

ASM is easy,
C is OK.
The rest I do not want to know about ;-)
Seems these day you can ask AI to write the code...
I wonder....
:-)

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 by: Jan Panteltje - Sun, 6 Aug 2023 09:04 UTC

On a sunny day (Sun, 6 Aug 2023 08:59:00 +0100) it happened The Natural
Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in <uanjs4$25fvd$2@dont-email.me>:

>On 06/08/2023 06:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Sat, 5 Aug 2023 21:14:45 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Martin
>> Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> wrote in <uame45$1ntb9$3@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 15:23:21 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 14:36:08 +0100 Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was actually surprised at how fast the new Ryzen was. Maybe it is
>>>>> time to buy a new PC.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't done that in a long time. I used to buy parts and make
>>>> them but these days I buy "refurbished"* ex-corporate machines which are
>>>> cheap and far better made than the typical consumer PC.
>>>>
>>>> * Read cleaned, OS reinstalled and stripped of asset tags.
>>>
>>> It may well be worth looking at getting a new PC.
>>>
>>> Since around 2005 my house server was a Dual Athlon PC in a noname case
>>> and not new when I got it in 2005 and has had at least two new disks (bog
>>> standard WD 500MB blue) since then. Last April it collapsed in a heap and
>>> was replaced with a new system with a Ryzen 3 43006 chip: 500 GB RAM and
>>> 500 GB M2 SSD. I also took the opportunity to replace my slow ADSL house
>>> connection with a FTTC fibre link.
>>>
>>> The difference has been dramatic: the new system cold boots in 41 secs
>>> (from hitting the 'on' button until the Login' prompt appears). I have
>>> password protection on the M2 SSD so this includes the time needed to
>>> enter the SSD password.
>>>
>>> Weekly backups (by rsync to a local 3.5" WD Essentials USB drive is at
>>> least 5 times faster. Similarly, The weekly Fedora dnf-managed package
>>> update that follows it is now getting read at 4.2 Mb/sec rather than the
>>> 480 kB/sec I used to get over ADSL on a good day and the step that follows
>>> the backup and update: running rkhunter also shows a similar speedup.
>>
>> I used to put PCs together myself, mother board, PCI card, etc
>> I have still 2 PCs.
>> the first one is > 20 years old and runs GRML Linux, is an AMD system
>> its working upstairs and has a ton of software I wrote and a PCI satellite reception card
>> so I sometimes use it to do things like dish positioning:
>> https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/satellite/
>> Am radio ham too and we have now QO100 geostationary satellite for example to send an receive from.
>> Am not very active as where I live now it requires climbing high ladders to reach the dish...
>> The other PC is > 10 years old and had an LG M-DISC drive so I can burn DVDs and blu-rays etc too.
>> But it had a bad crash after some mains power dip, so put old Slackware on it and some of my DVD
>> soft I wrote...
>> Not used much now if at all, was also put together myself
>> My Samsung laptop is from 2011 or so and for 'on the go', Huawei 4G stick internet everywhere.,
>> and I have 5 Raspberries, 2 of those are Pi4, for daily use.
>> 3 are now on 24/7 on a UPS, one I post this from, one records security cams and plays background music if needed,
>> records weather, air traffic ship traffic, radiation all to a 4 TB Toshiba USB disk.
>> One runs as server.
>>
>> I think I will not buy / construct a new PC.
>> My Samsung TV (also 20 years old ) can play HD from the 1 TB harddisk I have plugged in it.
>> and I can record anything I can receive from satellite or DVB-T2 terrestrial with the 30 Euro or so cheap boxes
>> from ebay with 128 GB USB sticks plugged into it.
>> Why need more computer power?
>> To have the bloat say 'hello there?'
>>
>> It is a conspiracy, make a more bloated OS, sell more hardware that needs it?
>> Need a faster network to do the ever bigger updates?
>> The news remains the same.
>> Ever higher TV resolution? Buy a new TV set ever 10, 5, 2 ?? LOL years?
>> Games? I have Xmahjong ... Programming is more fun..
>>
>>
>> Now they want to replace cash with digital money it seems.....
>> Just wait for the next big solar storm or high altitude nuke and that is all it needs
>> to kill all sats and electricity and back to barter trade...
>> if there is anything like food left to trade, as fridges need electricity too.
>> We should NOT become too dependent on electricity, electric cars and all that,
>> only diversity can keep us alive, we should not forget those skills.
>>
>> I have some good solar panels stuff and a 250 AH lifepo4 battery pack and a 12V to 230V converter so I can at least
>> cook food or maybe even keep a fridge running when the WW3 str// power is out for a short while...
>> hehe
>
>It's amazing how much of the modern up to date utterly fashionable
>technology one finds one neither needs nor wants.
>
>I had a 'Damascene' moment sitting in the sun, roasting some meat on a
>braai, in a game park in South Africa watching some hippos and
>crocodiles (fortunately the other side of a river), when I realised that
>all of civilisation is there really simply to keep us warm and put food
>on the table and give us somewhere safe to sleep at night, and the rest
>is simply there because we get bored.
>
>Well, I have a place to sleep safely at night, and mostly warm and
>always have food.
>
>I'll settle for that, and as to getting bored - what were computers and
>the internet invented for if not to allow access to all sorts of weird
>shit?
>
>(I know, they were both invented, like integrated circuits, to fight
>wars with. Hey ho).

Yes, for me curiosity.. I survived in N 'merrica in the wild
water from a stream and some things I dug up.
Travelled there all over the place survived their 'civilization' and system.
Did all sorts of works to get money to be able to eat and travel.
Got arrested near the Mexican border as my visum had expired and was put in jail,
some sort of cage, together with some Mexicans that wanted to enter the US to work there to feed their families.
Picked oranges with the blacks, later worked for the police, lived with the gangs in NY,
good thing I did see West Side Story before I went to the US,
hiked, travelled with some hippies...
Africa seems nice, hippos are predictable :-)
Learn to set traps, about plants and animal life.
Eat or be eaten!
evolution..
Bit more warming, mass migration, society as we know it may fall apart.

We may need to move / spread our species to other planets to protect civilization as we know it..

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