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* move /var/log to a RAMDISKThe Natural Philosopher
+* Re: move /var/log to a RAMDISKDavid W. Hodgins
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Re: move /var/log to a RAMDISK

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 by: Jan Panteltje - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 11:33 UTC

On a sunny day (Mon, 7 Aug 2023 01:31:26 -0400) it happened "23k.304"
<23k304@bfxw9.net> wrote in <EuCdnXh3WrgjHE35nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@earthlink.com>:

> The compiler-writers have become VERY VERY good.
> Stuff I commonly wrote in ASM on u-controllers
> is actually smaller/faster now using 'C'. That's
> just IMPRESSIVE.

It may be true for ARM, at least for me, on Raspberry as I have no real experience writing ARM ASM.
But a simple example for data storage on SDcard (2 GB SDcard in this case) is for example here:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/quadcopter/index.html
scroll down to flywayspoints.tgz

If you have only one set of data, you do not need a filesystem on the SDcard.
I use a Microchip PIC 18F14K22 with code in its FLASH memory
that reads the SDcard one sector at the time.
Example:
You have blocks of data, one per second (for example) with GPS position, altitude, heading, etc, that easily fits in 512 bytes.
So one sector per data record,
Cards come new with some Microsoft filesystem, no need for it.
PIC is programmed in asm, I used Philips C routines to write to a SDcard sector that I translated into PIC asm.

So that beats any 'operating system' in code size and any hardware it runs on in power consumption
and actually if you have some experience with PIC asm in programming time.
An no more silly libraries that change every new release causing things to no longer work.

>> I occasionally looked at .a files on *86, and they wrote better
>> assembler than I could.
>
> The old 'Dilbert' narrow-tie people WERE damned good.
> Modern hardware with a lot more resources kind of
> made them obsolete - any 10-year-old could write
> adequate code then.
>
>> So much so that I gave up looking.
>
> I went to 'C' and PASCAL early on. ASM became only
> for a handful of very weird things neither did well
> at the time.

Yes Pascal, I did some uni stuff in that, anybody still using it?
Maybe python will go the same way.

This thing uses the same way to write to SDcard one record to one sector per time interval:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/gm_pic2/
both the C code to read such card and the PIC asm can be downloaded from that site.

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 by: Jan Panteltje - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 11:55 UTC

On a sunny day (Mon, 7 Aug 2023 09:46:40 +0100) it happened The Natural
Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in <uaqb1h$2ppb9$1@dont-email.me>:

>On 06/08/2023 14:41, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 10:34:22 +0100
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> The task is huge but it is not too huge - it can be expected to
>> take decades and it is already happening as fast as production can go. When
>> flow battery electrode assemblies hit the DIY market things will really
>> be moving. I expect that within a decade followed by IBLCs getting hard to
>> obtain.
>
>I wish I shared your optimism.
>
>Remember I ran the accounts as well as the technical sections of my
>companies.
>There is not enough space for renewable ebergy AND humans AND farming
>AND the as yet to be identified storage. The whole heath robinsn
>arrangement would uterly destroy the environment, bankrupt the nations
>attempting it and still not create enough energy to replace itself in
>twenty years.
>Today we burn fossil to build renewables. That will not always be the case.
>Simply put the implementation cost and the EROEI (enetrgy return over
>energy invested) is so poor for renewables that it only takes one nation
>to say 'sod this for a game of soldiers' and go 100% nuclear, and that
>nation will rule the renewable peasants in their grass shacks forever.
>
>I assumed that was Russia's plan, until the moron invaded Ukraine. Fund
>the anti nuclear and anti-fracking and anti oil brigades, then sell
>Germany gas on the QT to run the country off while the windmills
>convinced people they were actually green, and then absorb or control a
>Germany utterly dependent on Russian gas. And thereby essentially
>control the EU.

Na, its the other way around, just like that other demon-crate Bil Clignon
the Biden creep makes war in Europe so the taxpayer pays for the US military Industrial crap.
And Europe for the F35 crap they now buy to fill in the 'donated' arms to boocrain
US blowing up Northstream 2 to they can sell their own inferior gas
and every European citizen pays more for energy .
It is better to peacefully live together with Russia (and China, US is pestering China too,
even does not allow Dutch ASML to sell high quality chip making equipment to China)
We need to get rid in the EU of the US Mafia, make peace with Russia.
Bit of luck US will self-destruct or, once the other nations figure out its mostly
a hot air military it has (like Reagan's star wars was) it will be nuked into oblivion
or simple climate change will burn it to the ground...
Its turning black, average IQ is dropping, they mostly make crap these days.
US so afraid of competition, using Mafia like methods to stop it.
No Empire Has Lasted Yet in history, US is way over the hill.
Likely Texas will soon leave that Union... the others will follow.
hehe
:-)

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 12:44 UTC

On 07/08/2023 11:29, Pancho wrote:
> On 07/08/2023 09:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>>
>> Remember I ran the accounts as well as the technical sections of my
>> companies.
>
> Didn't we all? At least, those of us who had companies.
>
>> There is not enough space for renewable ebergy AND humans AND farming
>> AND the as yet to be identified storage.
>
> The North Sea gives enough room for the needs of the UK.
>

Not really. the Easterly turbines would all be in the wake of the
westerly ones. And the UK doesn't ow all of the north sea. And other
people want toiuse it to

> It might be uneconomic, it might not, but that space could provide
> enough power for the UK.
>
Only when the wind was blowing. In times of low wind the whole continent
of Europe wouldnt provide enough.

--
In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act.

- George Orwell

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 13:33 UTC

On 07/08/2023 11:49, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 09:46:40 +0100
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 06/08/2023 14:41, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>> On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 10:34:22 +0100
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> The task is huge but it is not too huge - it can be expected to
>>> take decades and it is already happening as fast as production can go.
>>> When flow battery electrode assemblies hit the DIY market things will
>>> really be moving. I expect that within a decade followed by IBLCs
>>> getting hard to obtain.
>>
>> I wish I shared your optimism.
>
> You have it backwards - I wish I shared *your* optimism.
>
> You see you're right widespread adoption of nuclear power would
> make things far easier if it was done well and in a timely fashion.
>
Agreed

> My problem is that I don't see any chance of the NIMBY brigade
> being bypassed until long after it is far too late to build more than a tiny
> fraction of the necessary power stations.
>

If they are cold broke and hungry, and someone offers them cut price
electricity and a well paid job in exchange for a nuke down the road,
they rapidly change their minds. That's how France did it

> Then of course it will be fast track, crash priority get them built
> as fast as possible, oh please keep the costs down the budget is tight this
> year you know there's an election coming up. Why not buy a load of those new
> dirt cheap plants from <insert fourth world country here> that have just
> hit the market.
>
> What could possibly go wrong ?
Almost nothing. Even the worst ever reactor built - the Chernobyl style,
could if managed by competent staff produce safe electriity for years if
you didnt fuck with it, as the chernobyl staff did.
# The last reactor at chernobly closed down decades after the accident.
people still worked there. People didn't die working there.

"The three other reactors remained operational post-accident maintaining
a capacity factor between 60 and 70%. In total, units 1 and 3 had
supplied 98 terawatt-hours of electricity each, with unit 2 slightly
behind at 75 TWh. In 1991, unit 2 was placed into a permanent shutdown
state by the plant's operator due to complications resulting from a
turbine fire. This was followed by unit 1 in 1996 and unit 3 in 2000.
Their closures were *largely attributed to foreign pressures*.

>
>> Remember I ran the accounts as well as the technical sections of my
>> companies.
>
> I am reminded of an old story about army quartermasters. When you
> walk into the quartermasters office with a request he opens a thick book of
> regulations. One sort of quartermaster is looking for the rule that says
> you can't have it the other is looking for the way through the maze of
> rules that lets you have it.
>
> Guess which one has the easier job of searching. I've been watching
> this for a long time too - until fairly recently it was not looking good at
> all. Cheap reliable flow batteries really do change the picture of what is
> possible - you should research the technology, it's pretty cool stuff.
>

No they dont. They have neither the capacity nor the discharge rate
We need nuclear weapon sized storage. No chemical battery has that. We
would be better of sythnesising coal diesel or gas and burnbing that.
But its too inefficient

> Phasing out oil etc. with what's available off the shelf today is
> certainly possible but feasibility is dubious the numbers are huge and the
> logistics daunting. A decade ago it was almost certainly not possible and
> certainly not even remotely feasible. This is the right direction.
>
Its not possible on a grid scale at any sort of sustainable cost. The
EROEI of the whole network is just too low. And the technology doesn't
exist, despite your optimism. We would all love to be powered bu a few
offshore windmills and a rooftop solar panel at one tenth the price we
pat now, but it aint gonna happen.
The only nations who have achieved both low emissions from power
generation and low energy cost per unit are restricted to those with
extensive hydroelectricity and/or nuclear power. France.
Switzerland.Sweden. New Zealand. Norway.

The graph of electricity cost to percentage of (intermittent)
renewables is a nice exponential curve.

German which leads the windmill farce, burns more fossil fuel per
country, per capita, and per megawatt hour than anyone else in Europe.
And it cots three times as much as France.

> Necessity is the mother of invention - and this is one mother of a
> necessity. When you were calculating the available space for everything did
> you consider off shore floating solar power stations covering large areas
> of open ocean ?
>
Of course. The problem is intermittency. You need either massive
storage or a huge excess of capacity. Both escalate the costs way
beyond the most expensive nuclear reactor, both massively increase
negative environmental impact, and massive storage introduces a huge
safety hazard - far greater than a nuclear power station.

There is a reason why we like coal and uranium, In large piles neither
go bang.

> It can only get easier, can it get easy enough soon enough ? Who
> knows but I'm certain nuclear won't be given the chance until far too late
> and I really don't like the results of civil engineering being done far too
> quickly. A few bridges needing bracing and crumbling buildings getting
> condemned is one thing ...
>

Every single manufacturer in the world is flogging their new small
modular reactor designs. Promising build times of sub 5 years sign to
grid, and a simple regulatory tick after completion on type approved
factory built reactors of up to 450MW, that being the practical limit
fora reactor that will be shipped in in a low loader and wont need
cooling pumps after a SCRAM.

Given adequate access to coolant, you could pop one of those in a medium
sized towns retail park and save on large grid connections from the
North sea.

The Natrium concept uses molten salt as a primary working fluid, and
intends to store that in a heat bank to allow peak power of far more
than the reactors continuous power. Smart idea.

It's all there waiting until - as Churchill once remarked, of the
Americans doing the Right Thing - 'every other possible alternative has
been exhausted'...

...Basically this stuff will come on stream towards 2030. It should if
encouraged rather than obstructed by regulation, be economic at around
10c/kWh or even less. compared with 15c-40c for renewables BEFORE you
add in the cost of massive grid extensions and/or storage and backup.

Once it does of course you can kiss renewables goodbye. Reliable zero
carbon 24x7 electricity on localised grids at one third the price of
renewables? A dream for the population, a nightmare for the faux greens
who have trillions riding on windmills, flow batteries , fuel cells, the
'hydrogen economy' , heat pumps, electric cars and all the other
ecobollox we are bombarded with.

Remember my adage:

"There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do
that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon
emissions and more adverse environmental impact than by adding
intermittent renewable energy."

Let it fight its corner in a free unsubsidised market, to see if any of
it actually works cost effectively,.

Nuclear power is, like democracy, "the worst form of power generation,
except for all the others".

I am sure people like you will persist with the renewable chimera until
someone in a nuclear power plant puts you out of a job.

Dont say I didn't warn you.

One of the most important things an engineering degree taught me is that
whilst it take a lot of calculations and hands on experimentations to
get something to work, it only takes about a day and the back of an
envelope with a slide rule to determine what simply *won't* work. The
reason is simple. To make something work, every problem has to be
soluble. To determine something cannot work merely requires a *single*
problem to be *insoluble*. Renewable energy has four. Power density,
intermittency, no stabilisation and EROEI. These cannot be solved, they
can only be ameliorated by bolting on yet more expensive potentially
dangerous and environmentally unpleasant technology. All of which takes
energy to build and costs serious money

Nuclear has only one currently serious problem. Political will.

No one in the opinion polls gives a tuppeny fuck about climate change
anymore, but they care about the cost of energy.

Nuclear power finesses both. Its zero carbon and its cheaper than
renewables.
Politicians simply have to accept that the fat green envelopes will have
to stop if they are to get re-elected. And hope that some fat uranium
coloured ones replace them.


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 by: The Natural Philosop - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 13:49 UTC

On 07/08/2023 12:55, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> It is better to peacefully live together with Russia

ROFLMAO.

Its better to run the world on fairy farts and unicorn horns, but it
ain't happening any time soon.

The only way to live peacefully with Russia is to let Russia run your
country and rip off everything you own after they have destroyed your
cities raped the women and killed all the men.

They then move Russians in and claim 'it wants to be part of Russia'.

I am profoundly grateful that the USA is making some cash out of this,
as much as I am profoundly grateful that its not Britain this time
standing alone, but Ukraine, with massive NATO support, against a force
of what is essentially identical to, in aims and modus operandi, Germany
in 1940.

Let's face it NATO weaponry was for use against Russia and that's what
its getting used for, and 90% of what is being supplied is obsolescent
warehouse materiel. Due for replacement anyway. It's not costing a
penny. It was all written off years ago.

We are getting a massive exercise in understanding the nature of what
would happen if China flexed its muscles and how good the kit is. And a
bunch of thugs with far too much money and no morals at all are getting
the crap beaten out of them by someone else.

And the lie that Germany is a 'renewable energy' country has been blown
completely apart.

What's not to like?

Well the death and destruction of Ukraine, and the poor Russian Private
Conscriptovich who is only there to stop a bullet for Putin.

But the alternative is worse, and Poland, Latvia, Lithuania,Estonia,
Finland, Sweden all know it, and that's why they are willingly throwing
everything they have at ait as are we, in Britain. They know what its
like to be 'part of Russia' they have the mass graves to prove it, and
they don't want to go back there.

--
Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 13:55 UTC

On 07/08/2023 12:55, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> No Empire Has Lasted Yet in history, US is way over the hill.
> Likely Texas will soon leave that Union... the others will follow.
Yes, these 19th century Empires are a bit passé..the end of Russian
federation, the European Union, the United states - all are possible and
more, or less likely as time moves on.

In an unlikely turn of phrase, in rapidly changing world contexts, they
are simply too big to survive.

What suits downtown New York does not suit wilderness Utah. And vice versa.

federalisation at least and possible independence, whilst maintaining
overall ties under some NATO and Interpol style pan national
organisations would seem to be the way forward

--
“It is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of
making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people
who pay no price for being wrong.”

Thomas Sowell

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On 07 Aug 2023 at 14:33:26 BST, "The Natural Philosopher"
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 07/08/2023 11:49, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

>> What could possibly go wrong ?
> Almost nothing. Even the worst ever reactor built - the Chernobyl style,
> could if managed by competent staff produce safe electriity for years if
> you didnt fuck with it, as the chernobyl staff did.

And they had to work quite hard to make it go pop. They disconnected the
computers and all the safety interlocks.

>> Guess which one has the easier job of searching. I've been watching
>> this for a long time too - until fairly recently it was not looking good at
>> all. Cheap reliable flow batteries really do change the picture of what is
>> possible - you should research the technology, it's pretty cool stuff.
>
> No they dont. They have neither the capacity nor the discharge rate
> We need nuclear weapon sized storage. No chemical battery has that. We
> would be better of sythnesising coal diesel or gas and burnbing that.
> But its too inefficient

If you take that battery that Musk (IIRC) installed in South Australia on
their grid, and scale it up so it can power the grid for a week (for the
periods in winter of 5 to 10 days when wind and solar produce nothing), it
will set you back about £1,000,000,000,000 and no pence. And require a chunk
of land. Also, I'd hate to be anywhere near it if it caught fire.

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 14:31 UTC

On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 14:33:26 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> No they dont. They have neither the capacity nor the discharge rate
> We need nuclear weapon sized storage.

When you have distributed generation and distributed usage then
using distributed storage seems rather obvious. A site drawing a megawatt
with ten day autonomy at 50Wh/l would need 5000 cubic meters of tanks
that's the lowest energy density electrolyte in use commercially at grid
scale today and about a quarter of that with the highest energy density
competitor.

Possible but unlikely to be feasible - that's where we stand today.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

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 by: TimS - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 15:02 UTC

On 07 Aug 2023 at 12:55:12 BST, "Jan Panteltje" <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

> t is better to peacefully live together with Russia (and China, US is
> pestering China too,
> even does not allow Dutch ASML to sell high quality chip making equipment to
> China)
> We need to get rid in the EU of the US Mafia, make peace with Russia.

You appear to be unaware that although you are not interested in war, war is
very interested in you.

It takes two sides to make peace, and only one side is needed to make war. As
Europe saw in 1938-1939-1940. And is now seeing again in the shape of Putin.
Chamberlain tried to make peace with Adolf and all he got was dismemberment of
Czechoslovakia and invasion of Poland.

Then there were the naive kiddies in the US who said that there wouldn't be
another war because they wouldn't turn up. They didn't realise that you don't
have to turn up, as Europe discovered in those years, and the Jews even more
so.

--
Tim

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 by: TimS - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 15:04 UTC

On 07 Aug 2023 at 14:55:19 BST, "The Natural Philosopher"
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 07/08/2023 12:55, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> No Empire Has Lasted Yet in history, US is way over the hill.
>> Likely Texas will soon leave that Union... the others will follow.
> Yes, these 19th century Empires are a bit passé..the end of Russian
> federation, the European Union, the United states - all are possible and
> more, or less likely as time moves on.
>
> In an unlikely turn of phrase, in rapidly changing world contexts, they
> are simply too big to survive.
>
> What suits downtown New York does not suit wilderness Utah. And vice versa.
>
> federalisation at least and possible independence, whilst maintaining
> overall ties under some NATO and Interpol style pan national
> organisations would seem to be the way forward

And we need to include India and China in that, too. About 100 million is the
max size a country should be.

--
Tim

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 15:19 UTC

On 07/08/2023 15:54, TimS wrote:
> On 07 Aug 2023 at 14:33:26 BST, "The Natural Philosopher"
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 07/08/2023 11:49, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
>>> What could possibly go wrong ?
>> Almost nothing. Even the worst ever reactor built - the Chernobyl style,
>> could if managed by competent staff produce safe electriity for years if
>> you didnt fuck with it, as the chernobyl staff did.
>
> And they had to work quite hard to make it go pop. They disconnected the
> computers and all the safety interlocks.
>
>>> Guess which one has the easier job of searching. I've been watching
>>> this for a long time too - until fairly recently it was not looking good at
>>> all. Cheap reliable flow batteries really do change the picture of what is
>>> possible - you should research the technology, it's pretty cool stuff.
>>
>> No they dont. They have neither the capacity nor the discharge rate
>> We need nuclear weapon sized storage. No chemical battery has that. We
>> would be better of sythnesising coal diesel or gas and burnbing that.
>> But its too inefficient
>
> If you take that battery that Musk (IIRC) installed in South Australia on
> their grid, and scale it up so it can power the grid for a week (for the
> periods in winter of 5 to 10 days when wind and solar produce nothing), it
> will set you back about £1,000,000,000,000 and no pence. And require a chunk
> of land. Also, I'd hate to be anywhere near it if it caught fire.

And apart from there not being enough lithium in te world to make it,
the consequences of it shorting out are simply inconceivable.

It boils down to a simple homily: ArtStudents™ want to make the world
out of things that ought to exist... Engineers actually build it out of
things that do exist.

People who try to change the world to how (they think) it ought to be,
cause immense damage - far more than the people who actually change it
as it is.

--
I would rather have questions that cannot be answered...
....than to have answers that cannot be questioned

Richard Feynman

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 15:36 UTC

On 07/08/2023 15:31, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 14:33:26 +0100
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> No they dont. They have neither the capacity nor the discharge rate
>> We need nuclear weapon sized storage.
>
> When you have distributed generation and distributed usage then
> using distributed storage seems rather obvious. A site drawing a megawatt
> with ten day autonomy at 50Wh/l would need 5000 cubic meters of tanks
> that's the lowest energy density electrolyte in use commercially at grid
> scale today and about a quarter of that with the highest energy density
> competitor.
>
So fifty thousand tonnes of battery to store 50 MWh? . So Britain for
one winter HOUR, fifty million tonnes of battery?

> Possible but unlikely to be feasible

You can say that again. I found exactly that whatever technology I
looked all technically feasible in a lab, not one with a cats chance of
working at grid scale. Not at any sane cost or energy-to-build anyway.

You HAVE to take EROEI on board, which like intermittency is a concept
οἱ πολλοί have had trouble absorbing. If your 'renewable' grid overall
uses more energy to construct and maintain *in its entirety* than it
will ever produce in ist lifetime it is - to use today's parlance -
'not sustainable'.

There is an optimum size of power plant, not to big, not too small. You
want to avoid long transmission lines but you want economies of scale
too. And there is safety. Currently the optimum size of a reactor lies
in the 50-500MW range. IT carries enough 'storage' for at least two
years, possibly ten. It generates loads of low grade waste heat
(probably ~40°C) that could heat greenhouses, blocks of flats or
cannabis farms. Or be used to distil seawater. It doesn't need storage.
It can be build on a 10 acre plot of ex industrial land by a river, in a
town without disrupting the skyline. In use it would be effectively
noiseless and non polluting. It could be landscaped into an urban park

Seriously, what's not to like?

- that's where we stand today.

Up shit creek without a paddle?

--
"First, find out who are the people you can not criticise. They are your
oppressors."
- George Orwell

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 by: Jan Panteltje - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 15:43 UTC

On a sunny day (Mon, 7 Aug 2023 14:49:46 +0100) it happened The Natural
Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in <uaqspr$2skqd$1@dont-email.me>:

>On 07/08/2023 12:55, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> It is better to peacefully live together with Russia
>
>ROFLMAO.
\

I do seem to remember that it was Russia that freed much of the European continent from the nazis in WW2
US was busy fighting Japan mainly and doing war crimes nuking Japanese civilians,
did the same in Vietnam (Agent Orange), Iraq (also under false pretences of it building nuclear arms),
using depleted Uranium ammo as they now provide to bookrain and also straw munition that they now provide to bookrain
and Afghanistan, all to keep their war industry running that taxes their own people and burns them in those wars.
There was a 2014 peace agreement with Russia but when ByeThen went to see Putin he provoked that war.
ByeThen stays in power as a puppet of the US Military Industrial Complex and also plays the race card to stay in power.
Trump could end that war in a day, like he ended the one in Afghanistan.
US never wins wars, it makes those last as long as possible to be able to sell weapons.

>Its better to run the world on fairy farts and unicorn horns, but it
>ain't happening any time soon.

It will always be one ant heap against the other, it would only change if we (humming beans)
faced for example a common enemy, say for example an invader from space.
There may well be a reason for WW3 in the context of evolution,
WW2 gave us Von Braun and missiles and a rocket to the moon and back finally showing we CAN leave this planet.
Cold war US wanting to do better than Russia that had Sputnik, so went for the moon.
Now they only drive around the block in the ISS sucking taxpayer money.

>The only way to live peacefully with Russia is to let Russia run your
>country and rip off everything you own after they have destroyed your
>cities raped the women and killed all the men.

Not so, using Russian gas was OK, benefitted both sides.

CIA has as mission to put petrol on any fire they can find to get the war machine going so their bosses
can sell more weapons.
We, in Europe, can make much better weapons than for example that F35 crap, UK had some nice VTOL fighters.
But Boris was an US clown who just separated UK from Europe hurting everybody in the UK.

>They then move Russians in and claim 'it wants to be part of Russia'.
>
>I am profoundly grateful that the USA is making some cash out of this,
>as much as I am profoundly grateful that its not Britain this time
>standing alone,

I worked for Tek when the Iraq war started, so elated they were with the extra orders killing Iraqis provided...
I quit. and told them why.
Before that CIA wanted me, I told them to stuff it.

Without Russia good chance you English would now be speaking German :-)

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 15:51 UTC

On 07/08/2023 16:02, TimS wrote:
> On 07 Aug 2023 at 12:55:12 BST, "Jan Panteltje" <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
>
>> t is better to peacefully live together with Russia (and China, US is
>> pestering China too,
>> even does not allow Dutch ASML to sell high quality chip making equipment to
>> China)
>> We need to get rid in the EU of the US Mafia, make peace with Russia.
>
> You appear to be unaware that although you are not interested in war, war is
> very interested in you.
>
Sadly I agree with you.

> It takes two sides to make peace, and only one side is needed to make war. As
> Europe saw in 1938-1939-1940. And is now seeing again in the shape of Putin.
> Chamberlain tried to make peace with Adolf and all he got was dismemberment of
> Czechoslovakia and invasion of Poland.
>
Chamberlain knew what was coming. His job was to play for time. Britain
in 1938 had no chance against Germany, so the Czechs had to suffer., By
1939, and Poland, we couldn't let it go on. As it was without the Empire
we would have been fucked.
Chamberlain resigned because it was the right thing to do. Not because
he believed or ever had believed in 'peace in our time'.
He was, after all, a politician.

> Then there were the naive kiddies in the US who said that there wouldn't be
> another war because they wouldn't turn up. They didn't realise that you don't
> have to turn up, as Europe discovered in those years, and the Jews even more
> so.
>
Yup.
Americas is virtually uninvadeable as long as it has a decent Navy, just
like the UK.
That isn't the same for Eurasia/Africa which is pretty well one huge
land mass with massive borders *everywhere*. You could in theory walk
from Calais to Kamchatka, with no more than the odd river to cross.

The most independent countries are the ones with the smallest and most
easily defendable borders. Switzerland, surrounded by mountains. Italy,
cut off by the Alps, Finland, with only a short Russian border. The
massive west European conglomerate of Germany and Benelux, France and
Denmark is simply one huge country that anyone can waltz across with
tanks, and so are the ex sovbloc nations.

What us happening in Ukraine is tantamount to the USA invading Quebec,
on the grounds they 'really want to be Americans' and shooting anyone
who doesn't, to prove the point...after turning Montreal to rubble.

Doesn't matter how peace loving the Quebeçois are, they will get fucked,
just the same.
Russia is trying to teach Ukraine a lesson in what happens when Russia
doesn't get its own way, I absolutely think that must become a lesson on
what happens to Russia if it tries to.

Because it wont stop with Ukraine.

--
For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the
very definition of slavery.

Jonathan Swift

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 by: Jan Panteltje - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 15:55 UTC

On a sunny day (7 Aug 2023 15:02:21 GMT) it happened TimS <tim@streater.me.uk>
wrote in <kjcfbtF5edeU1@mid.individual.net>:

>On 07 Aug 2023 at 12:55:12 BST, "Jan Panteltje" <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
>
>> t is better to peacefully live together with Russia (and China, US is
>> pestering China too,
>> even does not allow Dutch ASML to sell high quality chip making equipment to
>> China)
>> We need to get rid in the EU of the US Mafia, make peace with Russia.
>
>You appear to be unaware that although you are not interested in war, war is
>very interested in you.
>
>It takes two sides to make peace, and only one side is needed to make war.

That is where ByeThen came in, provoking Putin.
US needed an other war theatre after Afghanistan.

>As Europe saw in 1938-1939-1940.

Russia freed most of Europe from the nazis.
Read up on history.

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 16:00 UTC

On 07/08/2023 16:04, TimS wrote:
> On 07 Aug 2023 at 14:55:19 BST, "The Natural Philosopher"
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 07/08/2023 12:55, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> No Empire Has Lasted Yet in history, US is way over the hill.
>>> Likely Texas will soon leave that Union... the others will follow.
>> Yes, these 19th century Empires are a bit passé..the end of Russian
>> federation, the European Union, the United states - all are possible and
>> more, or less likely as time moves on.
>>
>> In an unlikely turn of phrase, in rapidly changing world contexts, they
>> are simply too big to survive.
>>
>> What suits downtown New York does not suit wilderness Utah. And vice versa.
>>
>> federalisation at least and possible independence, whilst maintaining
>> overall ties under some NATO and Interpol style pan national
>> organisations would seem to be the way forward
>
> And we need to include India and China in that, too. About 100 million is the
> max size a country should be.
>
Indeed. India and China have a massive population problem to overcome as
does the whole of that part of Asia. A couple of Great Patriotic Wars
with inspirational Glorious Leaders that decimated the young male
population would probably be appropriate....

I think people do not realise that the 78 years since WWII officially
ended have been peaceful and prosperous for the West but that is in fact
not the normal state of affairs. And the lesson of the British Empire
was that civilised behaviour and genteel affluence back home came on the
back of some hardened professional soldiers and sailors, putting their
lives on the line in far flung places for a relative pittance....

"I went into a public 'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, " We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' " Tommy, go away " ;
But it's " Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's " Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' " Tommy, wait outside ";
But it's " Special train for Atkins " when the trooper's on the tide
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's " Special train for Atkins " when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap.
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, 'ow's yer soul? "
But it's " Thin red line of 'eroes " when the drums begin to roll
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's " Thin red line of 'eroes, " when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, fall be'ind,"
But it's " Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's " Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Chuck him out, the brute! "
But it's " Saviour of 'is country " when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An 'Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!

--
“But what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!”

Mary Wollstonecraft

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 by: Chris Elvidge - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 16:01 UTC

On 07/08/2023 16:43, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Mon, 7 Aug 2023 14:49:46 +0100) it happened The Natural
> Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in <uaqspr$2skqd$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 07/08/2023 12:55, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> It is better to peacefully live together with Russia
>>
>> ROFLMAO.
> \
>
> I do seem to remember that it was Russia that freed much of the European continent from the nazis in WW2

Yes, but they did it with UK/US planes, tanks, ammunition
Much of it shipped via the northern route around Norway/Finland to the
detriment of many "allied" merchant seamen.

Oh, and then they occupied what they could.
Was Stalin worse than Hitler?
He managed to kill a hell of a lot of people of "other" ethnicities.

--

Chris Elvidge, England
ORGAN TRANSPLANTS ARE BEST LEFT TO THE PROFESSIONALS

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 17:01 UTC

On 07/08/2023 16:43, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Mon, 7 Aug 2023 14:49:46 +0100) it happened The Natural
> Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in <uaqspr$2skqd$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 07/08/2023 12:55, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> It is better to peacefully live together with Russia
>>
>> ROFLMAO.
> \
>
> I do seem to remember that it was Russia that freed much of the European continent from the nazis in WW2

No, its was the Russians who occupied the countries that Germany had
overrun, and committed almost identical atrocities to them.
They weren't freed, they just had a different slavemaster.

>> Its better to run the world on fairy farts and unicorn horns, but it
>> ain't happening any time soon.
>
> It will always be one ant heap against the other, it would only change if we (humming beans)
> faced for example a common enemy, say for example an invader from space.

Correct. Wars started when we stopped wandering around an hunting and
gathering, and started collecting food animals into enclosures.
It was always going to be a tough choice between collecting your own
animals and fencing them in, which is hard work, or simply taking over
someone's place where the hard work was already done, killing the owner
and his sons and having fun with the daughters.

Its all perfectly rational cost benefit analysis. And the above is a
pretty accurate desrciption of Russian behaviour in Ukraine, by all
accounts.

>
>> The only way to live peacefully with Russia is to let Russia run your
>> country and rip off everything you own after they have destroyed your
>> cities raped the women and killed all the men.
>
> Not so, using Russian gas was OK, benefitted both sides.
And you don't think that gas came at a price, when the *whole* of the
ruling party in Germany had *all* been to Moscow at the Kremlins
expense, with all 'entertainments' laid on and a hidden camera in every
room?

And its a toss up as to whether more Republicans or more democrats are
in the pay of, or being blackmailed by the FSB., Or how many
organisations like Greenpeace, FOE, Black Lives Matter or any of the
rest of them are not indirectly funded and controlled by Russia? The
Kremlin has global aspirations and it was doing famously until it
started an actual hot war. Huge mistake. It had already destroyed most
of the West through culturual Marxism, as some people call it.

>
> CIA has as mission to put petrol on any fire they can find to get the war machine going so their bosses
> can sell more weapons.
> We, in Europe, can make much better weapons than for example that F35 crap, UK had some nice VTOL fighters.
> But Boris was an US clown who just separated UK from Europe hurting everybody in the UK.
>

You have no clue about what you are talking.
Boris didnt do anything except ride a political movemenjt for his own
career. And you cant separate the UK from Europe, we are patrt of Euripe
and we are Europeans.
What happened is that after repeatedly asking the European Union to be
sensible and stop taking bribes, publish their accounts and gernerallly
start behaving like a adult and responsible government and not a Mafia,
the people of the UK finally got so pissed off with them they they gave
them the finger and left.
It was never about leaving Europe - that is the canard the EU made up,
It was always about leaving the oppressive, utterly corrupt
antidemocratic and incompetent European Union.
And the Union has been trying to destroy Britain just like Russia is
trying to destroy Ukraine, for having the audacity to tell them,
politely to fuck off...

>
>> They then move Russians in and claim 'it wants to be part of Russia'.
>>
>> I am profoundly grateful that the USA is making some cash out of this,
>> as much as I am profoundly grateful that its not Britain this time
>> standing alone,
>
> I worked for Tek when the Iraq war started, so elated they were with the extra orders killing Iraqis provided...
> I quit. and told them why.
> Before that CIA wanted me, I told them to stuff it.
>

Sure, I worked for weapons companies for a while. I felt uneasy, and
left. They weren't saints for sure. loads of taxpayer money being
wasted, but we did put together some pretty good tech as well, and when
it comes to corruptions in the 'military industrial complex', there is
only one winner, an it ain't the USA, its jolly old Putinosvky and his
oligarchic Ripoffsky, Defraudski, and Gimmeayachtsky.

> Without Russia good chance you English would now be speaking German :-)
>
Not at all, without UK and US help, Russia would all be speaking
German, and would be slightly more civilised.

Frankly the US was incredibly stupid, Churchill tried to tell them what
was going on. But Roosevelt ignored him and cosied up instead to the
mass murderer who had killed millions of his own people, and went on to
kill millions more. I guess given the experience of the Native Americans
and black slaves, the USA felt Russia was a kindred spirit in genocide.

As it was it wasn't until what Churchill called the 'iron curtain' came
down that the USA actually woke up to the fact that they looked set to
lose an entire market nearly as big as the USA to Russia that they
decided to create NATO...if Russia had trolled all the way to France -
and the UK didnt have the power to stop them - then there would have
been a perfect third Reich, just speaking Russian, that;'s all.

And big enough to take on the USA, and win.

"Between the early 1930s and his death in 1953, Joseph Stalin had more
than a million of his own citizens executed. Millions more fell victim
to forced labor, deportation, famine, bloody massacres, and detention
and interrogation by Stalin’s henchmen. Stalin’s Genocides is the
chilling story of these crimes. The book puts forward the important
argument that brutal mass killings under Stalin in the 1930s were indeed
acts of genocide and that the Soviet dictator himself was behind them.

Norman Naimark, one of our most respected authorities on the Soviet era,
challenges the widely held notion that Stalin’s crimes do not constitute
genocide, which the United Nations defines as the premeditated killing
of a group of people because of their race, religion, or inherent
national qualities. In this gripping book, Naimark explains how Stalin
became a pitiless mass killer. He looks at the most consequential and
harrowing episodes of Stalin’s systematic destruction of his own
populace—the liquidation and repression of the so-called kulaks, the
Ukrainian famine, the purge of nationalities, and the Great Terror—and
examines them in light of other genocides in history. In addition,
Naimark compares Stalin’s crimes with those of the most notorious
genocidal killer of them all, Adolf Hitler."

Where are the real inhabitants of Crimea? They are neither Ukrainians
nor Russians, they were Tatars. They were all deported or killed.

"Crimean Tatars constituted the majority of Crimea's population from the
time of ethnogenesis until the mid-19th century, and the largest ethnic
population until the end of the 19th century. Russia attempted to purge
Crimean Tatars through a combination of physical violence, intimidation,
forced resettlement, and legalized forms of discrimination between 1783
and 1900. Between Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 1783 and 1800,
somewhere between 100,000 and 300,000 Crimean Tatars emigrated. However,
this did not result in the complete eradication of Crimean Tatar
cultural elements (at least not under the Romanov dynasty; however,
under the Soviets, the Crimean Tatars were almost completely driven from
the Crimean peninsula). Almost immediately after retaking of Crimea from
Axis forces, in May 1944, the USSR State Defense Committee ordered the
deportation of all of the Crimean Tatars from Crimea, including the
families of Crimean Tatars who had served in the Soviet Army. The
deportees were transported in trains and boxcars to Central Asia,
primarily to Uzbekistan. The Crimean Tatars lost 18 to 46 percent of
their population as a result of the deportations. Starting in 1967, a
few were allowed to return and in 1989 the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet
Union condemned the removal of Crimean Tatars from their motherland as
inhumane and lawless, but only a tiny percent were able to return before
the full right of return became policy in 1989. "

Russia has form Jan. THAT is why we are funding Ukraine. Russia is not a
nice civilised country even though it had Starbucks and McDonalds in
Moscow, st Petersburg and Novosibirsk. It is, behind the civilised
veneer of its urban population, desperately backward, rural, brutal and
lawless, and guess who gets sent to Ukraine, Not the urban westernised
hipsters. The peasants and dregs from the houses with no running water
no electricity and no flush toilets. From Siberia. Or the Chechens.
Chechen Lives Don't Matter. There are as many fighting FOR Ukraine as
against them. Same with the Georgians. Everybody hates Russians. And for
really good reasons. They are ruthless selfish brutal racists, genocidal
psychopaths, supreme liars, corrupt from top to bottom, and have
absolutely no honour whatsoever. An agreement is there to be broken when
it suits them.


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 by: The Natural Philosop - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 17:07 UTC

On 07/08/2023 17:01, Chris Elvidge wrote:
> On 07/08/2023 16:43, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Mon, 7 Aug 2023 14:49:46 +0100) it happened The Natural
>> Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>> <uaqspr$2skqd$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 07/08/2023 12:55, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> It is better to peacefully live together with Russia
>>>
>>> ROFLMAO.
>> \
>>
>> I do seem to remember that it was Russia that freed much of the
>> European continent from the nazis in WW2
>
> Yes, but they did it with UK/US planes, tanks, ammunition
> Much of it shipped via the northern route around Norway/Finland to the
> detriment of many "allied" merchant seamen.
>
> Oh, and then they occupied what they could.
> Was Stalin worse than Hitler?
> He managed to kill a hell of a lot of people of "other" ethnicities.
>
I wouldn't want to pick one out of Putin, Stalin or Hitler, or indeed
Robert Mugabe, or Pol Pot, or Chairman Mao. Or indeed Kim Yong Um and
his utterly murderous sister.

It seems that the transition from barbarism towards westernised
technology is marked by the rise of psychopathic despots who have no
regard for their people whatsoever. And whose sole reason for being in
power is that they somehow acquired industrialised weapons first.

--
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere,
diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.”
― Groucho Marx

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 17:21 UTC

On 07/08/2023 16:55, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (7 Aug 2023 15:02:21 GMT) it happened TimS <tim@streater.me.uk>
> wrote in <kjcfbtF5edeU1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> On 07 Aug 2023 at 12:55:12 BST, "Jan Panteltje" <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> t is better to peacefully live together with Russia (and China, US is
>>> pestering China too,
>>> even does not allow Dutch ASML to sell high quality chip making equipment to
>>> China)
>>> We need to get rid in the EU of the US Mafia, make peace with Russia.
>>
>> You appear to be unaware that although you are not interested in war, war is
>> very interested in you.
>>
>> It takes two sides to make peace, and only one side is needed to make war.
>
> That is where ByeThen came in, provoking Putin.
> US needed an other war theatre after Afghanistan.
>
>
Bollocks.
Putin invaded because he had already annexed Crimea, and most of the
Donbas and the West had gone on buying gas, and looked the other way.

This time, they didn't. Much to his surprise. And his three day 'special
military operation' is now a full scale European land war, in which
either Russia or Ukraine is going to get utterly destroyed.

Putin would not survive defeat and Europe and Ukraine and the West would
not survive a Russian victory.

He was stupid to risk it all on a throw of the dice, but he is an old
man, and his all in now, and we have to match his stake, call his bluff
and say 'Vladimir, let's see you' Well he only has a bunch of jokers, so
he's lost, but he doesn't know that yet.
Russia will be driven out of Ukraine and whoever is in charge will
settle for that. There may be nothing more than ceasefire, with Russia
still claiming it owns Ukjraine as N Korea claims it owns the south and
is still technically at war with it.

No one wanst to invade Russia, apart from oil and gas there is nothing
there of any value, and taking the oil and gas without the russians
helping wouldn't work.

Only strategy is to smash Russia militarily, expell it from Ukraine, and
te UN security council and build a wall with machine guns. Isolate it
and embargo it until it learns to behave itself, which might take a
hundred years.

>> As Europe saw in 1938-1939-1940.
>
> Russia freed most of Europe from the nazis.
> Read up on history.
>

It didn't free anybody. It enslaved most of Europe that the Nazis had
already enslaved, No freedom was on the cards, ever.

The reason Ukraine supported the Nazis was simply because of what Russia
had done to them pre war.

When you think that to an independent nation, Nazism was preferable to
Russian communism it really makes you think...

--
"Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They
always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them"

Margaret Thatcher

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 by: Bobbie Sellers - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 20:03 UTC

On 8/7/23 08:55, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (7 Aug 2023 15:02:21 GMT) it happened TimS <tim@streater.me.uk>
> wrote in <kjcfbtF5edeU1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> On 07 Aug 2023 at 12:55:12 BST, "Jan Panteltje" <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> t is better to peacefully live together with Russia (and China, US is
>>> pestering China too,
>>> even does not allow Dutch ASML to sell high quality chip making equipment to
>>> China)
>>> We need to get rid in the EU of the US Mafia, make peace with Russia.
>>
>> You appear to be unaware that although you are not interested in war, war is
>> very interested in you.
>>
>> It takes two sides to make peace, and only one side is needed to make war.
>
> That is where ByeThen came in, provoking Putin.
> US needed an other war theatre after Afghanistan.
>
>
>> As Europe saw in 1938-1939-1940.
>
> Russia freed most of Europe from the nazis.
> Read up on history.

Read up on real history, you stupid Russian propagandist.

The Russian effort was fueled by American Lend Lease.
The Russian troops and the Americans got along very well when they met
in Germany at the End of WW II
Most of Europe means that they established Communist Government in
every nation that they "freed" from the NAZIs.

And Putin would put his Fascist dictatorship in place of the
Governments of Free Europe.
bliss - an American who thinks Biden is not perfect but infinitely
better than Trump or his American Fascist imitators.

--
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

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On 07 Aug 2023 at 21:03:37 BST, "Bobbie Sellers" <bliss@mouse-potato.com>
wrote:

> On 8/7/23 08:55, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (7 Aug 2023 15:02:21 GMT) it happened TimS <tim@streater.me.uk>
>> wrote in <kjcfbtF5edeU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> On 07 Aug 2023 at 12:55:12 BST, "Jan Panteltje" <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> t is better to peacefully live together with Russia (and China, US is
>>>> pestering China too,
>>>> even does not allow Dutch ASML to sell high quality chip making equipment to
>>>> China)
>>>> We need to get rid in the EU of the US Mafia, make peace with Russia.
>>>
>>> You appear to be unaware that although you are not interested in war, war is
>>> very interested in you.
>>>
>>> It takes two sides to make peace, and only one side is needed to make war.
>>
>> That is where ByeThen came in, provoking Putin.
>> US needed an other war theatre after Afghanistan.
>>
>>
>>> As Europe saw in 1938-1939-1940.
>>
>> Russia freed most of Europe from the nazis.
>> Read up on history.
>
> Read up on real history, you stupid Russian propagandist.
>
> The Russian effort was fueled by American Lend Lease.
> The Russian troops and the Americans got along very well when they met
> in Germany at the End of WW II
> Most of Europe means that they established Communist Government in
> every nation that they "freed" from the NAZIs.
>
> And Putin would put his Fascist dictatorship in place of the
> Governments of Free Europe.
> bliss - an American who thinks Biden is not perfect but infinitely
> better than Trump or his American Fascist imitators.

Trump is the Idi Amin of our times.

--
Tim

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 by: druck - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 20:50 UTC

On 03/08/2023 18:50, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 03:47:44 +0100
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Interesting philosophy. accept failure and plan round it rather than
>> eliminating failure in the first place?
>
> I've seen that as a programming design philosophy. The idea is that
> it should be possible to kill the program at any time without depending on
> it going through some cleanup/finish code it can just stop without losing
> anything. The startup code always goes through the crash recovery and
> everything necessary to recover must be flushed to disc before
> acknowledging an input.

I do that on the weather station code running on a couple of Pis. It is
performing running averages of the data which is incoming over serial at
1Hz (temperature, humidity, pressure, illumination, wind speed, wind
direction, rain fall), and posting 15m / 1h / 24h reports. It regularly
writes out the sample buffers, so if has to restart for any reason it
can read back the buffers, account for any lost samples, then pick up
where it off, and not lose the entire last 24 hours of data.

---druck

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Tue, 8 Aug 2023 02:53 UTC

On 07/08/2023 21:24, TimS wrote:
> On 07 Aug 2023 at 21:03:37 BST, "Bobbie Sellers" <bliss@mouse-potato.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/7/23 08:55, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> On a sunny day (7 Aug 2023 15:02:21 GMT) it happened TimS <tim@streater.me.uk>
>>> wrote in <kjcfbtF5edeU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>> On 07 Aug 2023 at 12:55:12 BST, "Jan Panteltje" <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> t is better to peacefully live together with Russia (and China, US is
>>>>> pestering China too,
>>>>> even does not allow Dutch ASML to sell high quality chip making equipment to
>>>>> China)
>>>>> We need to get rid in the EU of the US Mafia, make peace with Russia.
>>>>
>>>> You appear to be unaware that although you are not interested in war, war is
>>>> very interested in you.
>>>>
>>>> It takes two sides to make peace, and only one side is needed to make war.
>>>
>>> That is where ByeThen came in, provoking Putin.
>>> US needed an other war theatre after Afghanistan.
>>>
>>>
>>>> As Europe saw in 1938-1939-1940.
>>>
>>> Russia freed most of Europe from the nazis.
>>> Read up on history.
>>
>> Read up on real history, you stupid Russian propagandist.
>>
>> The Russian effort was fueled by American Lend Lease.
>> The Russian troops and the Americans got along very well when they met
>> in Germany at the End of WW II
>> Most of Europe means that they established Communist Government in
>> every nation that they "freed" from the NAZIs.
>>
>> And Putin would put his Fascist dictatorship in place of the
>> Governments of Free Europe.
>> bliss - an American who thinks Biden is not perfect but infinitely
>> better than Trump or his American Fascist imitators.
>
> Trump is the Idi Amin of our times.
>
No he isn't.
He is just a bit more transparent than his democratic equivalents. He
behaves in public like they behave in private.

--
"First, find out who are the people you can not criticise. They are your
oppressors."
- George Orwell

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 by: Robert Riches - Tue, 8 Aug 2023 03:31 UTC

On 2023-08-07, 23k.304 <23k304@bfxw9.net> wrote:
> ...
> "Super-Fault-Tolerant" has always interested and
> impressed me. It's an art unto itself. There are
> only a few NEEDS - nuclear-weapons systems, nuke
> reactors and, coolest, space probes. The way NASA
> can essentially re-wire probes, work around even
> primary memory and maybe sub-processor failure and
> such, over a billion-mile remote connection is
> just spectacular.

Yes, NASA does some amazing things.

Another use for fault tolerance might be in an aircraft that is
(by design) inherently so aerodynamically unstable that it cannot
be flown directly by a human, so it has to be flown by the
on-board computers. You don't want a fault in a CPU to cause the
aircraft to fall out of the sky. One of however many of the CPUs
in the F22's avionics package was designed for QMR. I don't know
for a fact that the F22 uses that CPU in QMR mode, but if it is
you could a bullet through one of the CPUs or push a screwdriver
blade across bus lines, and the system would continue to function
without losing a single cycle. I designed the instruction fetch
unit of that chip:

https://ubbcentral.com/store/item/Vintage-1990-Intel-80960MX-CPU-die-Military-grade-i960-unpackaged-die_264713800656.html

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=80960mx&hps=1&start=1&ia=web

--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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